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kpete
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Wed May-04-11 09:13 AM Original message |
(TX) Cheerleader must compensate school that told her to clap 'rapist' |
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RKP5637
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Wed May-04-11 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yet another WTF moment. n/t |
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Solly Mack
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Wed May-04-11 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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no_hypocrisy
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Wed May-04-11 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
3. She not only should appeal, but make an application to the trial court for the school to pay HER |
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Wed May-04-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. The ruling sticks because they passed on it... |
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jberryhill
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Wed May-04-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #3 |
72. Which means the appellate decision stands |
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blondeatlast
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Wed May-04-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
104. Once you get to SCOTUS, it's do or die. nt |
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kelly1mm
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Wed May-04-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
127. What court is she supposed to appeal to? This was the US Supreme Court. nt |
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Wed May-04-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #127 |
154. Republicon Family Cesspool Values -- strikes again |
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niyad
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Wed May-04-11 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
4. this is beyond sickening |
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Wed May-04-11 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
5. It figures...Texas |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Those damn "soft on crime" Texans! |
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Wed May-04-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #15 |
31. I'm in Oklahoma, and I cringe at some of the crap legislated here |
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kentauros
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Wed May-04-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. However, |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #44 |
59. No doubt about that. |
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avebury
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Wed May-04-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
76. Many people are also upset with the control |
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kentauros
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Wed May-04-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. On that issue |
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JDPriestly
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Wed May-04-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
169. Sorry. I didn't even notice this was about Oklahoma or Texas. |
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Wed May-04-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #44 |
170. Well...I'm here now (from MI) and I like y'all. |
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Wed May-04-11 06:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
233. Hey, you gave us Molly Ivins! |
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Nevernose
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Wed May-04-11 09:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
273. The Bush family is from New England |
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Wed May-04-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #44 |
352. You're in good company |
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RaleighNCDUer
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Wed May-04-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
145. WTF? |
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valerief
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Wed May-04-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
22. +1 |
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readmoreoften
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Wed May-04-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
181. You mean, it figures, US Supreme Court? |
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One_Life_To_Give
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Wed May-04-11 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
6. Sue her attorney for bad advice? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
35. True, the school could argue that cheerleading is a privilege, not a right |
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RaleighNCDUer
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Wed May-04-11 02:59 PM Response to Reply #35 |
146. And since the asshole had been arrested and then returned to the team, |
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MedicalAdmin
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Wed May-04-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
166. Time for a title 9 challenge. |
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iverglas
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Wed May-04-11 05:03 PM Response to Reply #166 |
202. agreed |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #6 |
37. Yep |
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rpannier
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Wed May-04-11 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
7. I see where the school's priorities lay |
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Wed May-04-11 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
8. Two years of probation, community service, a fine and was required to take anger-management classes. |
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vduhr
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Wed May-04-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #8 |
87. AND... |
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Wed May-04-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #87 |
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chervilant
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Wed May-04-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #115 |
118. What? |
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Wed May-04-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #118 |
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Wed May-04-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #123 |
159. And yet the grand jury was "hung" |
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Wed May-04-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #123 |
168. His Guilt? Innocence? |
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Wed May-04-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #123 |
183. If he forced her to give him a blow job, he's a rapist. If she wanted to give him a blow job, |
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Wed May-04-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #183 |
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Wed May-04-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #192 |
271. It's statutory blow job ... |
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Wed May-04-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #87 |
140. AND... |
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RaleighNCDUer
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Wed May-04-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #140 |
147. Or the Mayor's nephew. nt |
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marions ghost
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Wed May-04-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
135. Exactly. |
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slackmaster
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Wed May-04-11 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
9. I don't understand this ruling, and I'm not even going to try. |
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Wed May-04-11 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
10. "Texas. It's like a whole other country" |
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teabaghater
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Wed May-04-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
110. That's why I laugh |
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Thu May-05-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #110 |
390. Big Bend National Park is one of the most fantastic places |
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MasonJar
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Wed May-04-11 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
11. Amazing! The school insisted she clap for someone who had raped her? |
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Eric J in MN
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Wed May-04-11 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
12. This case shows the problem with forcing people who sue to pay for "frivolous lawsuits." |
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jberryhill
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Wed May-04-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
73. Ding, ding, ding... we have a winnner /nt |
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kelly1mm
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Wed May-04-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
129. Really? Do you feel the same about SLAPP suits? nt |
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tblue37
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Wed May-04-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
156. But I WANT Righthaven to have to pay DU's legal fees! nt |
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Taverner
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Wed May-04-11 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
14. You shoulda THANKED that boyah, I say. THANKED him foh lettin yuh still cheer |
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BlancheSplanchnik
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Wed May-04-11 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
16. this exemplifies contempt for female existence |
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Wed May-04-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
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chervilant
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Wed May-04-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Why |
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Wed May-04-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #120 |
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Mojeoux
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Wed May-04-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #124 |
141. Where in the Article does it say anything about 3 female employees??? |
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Wed May-04-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #124 |
157. Because there never was such a thing as a Kapo--and female genital mutilation |
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Wed May-04-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #120 |
172. Victim's family agreed to the lesser charge against the boy as well. |
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iverglas
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Wed May-04-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #172 |
206. I agreed to a sentence of four years when I was the victim |
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AtheistCrusader
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Wed May-04-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #206 |
208. I know there's risk. |
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iverglas
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Wed May-04-11 05:25 PM Response to Reply #208 |
209. ah, on that aspect |
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Mojeoux
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Wed May-04-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #117 |
139. NO the first school rep to give her a hard time was RICHARD BAIN the |
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Wed May-04-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #139 |
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Wed May-04-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #16 |
138. I agree. This is CRAP. So What if it was 3 female employees and 3 women sit |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
17. Let's review the case |
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Wed May-04-11 10:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. so you are saying she should give up her highschool dreams of cheerleading? |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Again, to review.... |
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Wed May-04-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
75. Chris, I actually think you've made some... |
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Wed May-04-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. Agree with slap on the wrist.... |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #75 |
95. Fair enough. |
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Mon May-09-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
399. I seriously doubt that many football fans have compassion ... |
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Wed May-04-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
90. feeling sick |
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Wed May-04-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #90 |
107. Sexual assault on a minor was the charge. |
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Wed May-04-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
200. can you point me to that fact? |
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Wed May-04-11 06:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
228. It just seems more and more, that High School kids DON'T have free speech |
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Wed May-04-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
231. Did you read the link in the OP? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. The school could have just let her refuse to cheer him and everyone would have saved time |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. That decision is not within the scope of the court's power |
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Wed May-04-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. If they hadn't kicked her off the squad, she wouldn't have sued. The adults should have |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. You need to think this through a bit more. |
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valerief
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Wed May-04-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #39 |
88. Why shouldn't the school have let her refuse to cheer and kept her on the squad? |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #88 |
217. That's a question outside the scope of this discussion. |
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Wed May-04-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #217 |
225. No, it's not. This is not a purely legal discussion. n/t |
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Tue May-24-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #88 |
402. good question, what is the risk? |
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Wed May-04-11 11:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
353. "she wouldn't have sued"? How do you know this? |
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Wed May-04-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #28 |
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Wed May-04-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Stay classy |
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Wed May-04-11 12:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
71. So this is the best reason your mind is capable of? |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
151. Wow... okay point by point then |
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Wed May-04-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #151 |
158. Yes, enslaved |
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Wed May-04-11 04:54 PM Response to Reply #158 |
199. There is no free speech issue, That's why she lost |
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Wed May-04-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
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Wed May-04-11 03:57 PM Response to Reply #49 |
173. If I may interject a few points of color into your argument? |
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Wed May-04-11 05:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
204. nonsense |
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Thu May-05-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #204 |
374. Yet that is not what the lawsuit alleges |
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Thu May-05-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #374 |
381. the framing does strike me as dumb |
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Wed May-04-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #41 |
62. As a lawyer/former law professor, I find Chris is absolutely correct. |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Thank you. |
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Wed May-04-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. The school did preclude him from playing AFTER his conviction. |
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Wed May-04-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
207. excluding someone from a school sport is not punishment |
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stevenleser
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Thu May-05-11 05:36 AM Response to Reply #207 |
364. deleted - wrong spot |
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Wed May-04-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
89. The school could have decided to let the cheerleader not cheer and kept her on the squad. |
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stevenleser
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Wed May-04-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
119. You are arguing that what happened to her in our legal system is OK because it followed the law? |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #119 |
162. In what way? |
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Wed May-04-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #162 |
203. OK, let me explain the many ways you and what happened here are wrong. |
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Wed May-04-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #203 |
256. "Losing your mind in the letter of the law" is what our legal system |
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stevenleser
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Wed May-04-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #256 |
276. Except I am not talking about the legal aspects of this case. That is the problem with your various |
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Thu May-05-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #276 |
373. Except this is a court case |
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Wed May-04-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #119 |
187. Give it up. Some people live in their heads. |
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Wed May-04-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #119 |
194. Yes. He is. And it's called begging the question. |
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Wed May-04-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #119 |
266. That's your opinion. And you know what they say about opinions... |
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stevenleser
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Thu May-05-11 05:58 AM Response to Reply #266 |
365. Shouldnt you be out preaching to someone what the law says about their lawnmowing schedule? n/t |
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Wed May-04-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
142. I've given up trying to explain such things |
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Wed May-04-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #142 |
161. Ouch. |
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COLGATE4
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Wed May-04-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
186. You know the saying: Trying to argue about law with non-lawyers |
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Wed May-04-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #186 |
213. charming |
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stevenleser
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Wed May-04-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #186 |
214. Which would be a good response if what we were arguing was purely a legal question |
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Wed May-04-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #214 |
258. No? Why not? |
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COLGATE4
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Wed May-04-11 08:32 PM Response to Reply #214 |
259. No? Why not? |
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stevenleser
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Wed May-04-11 10:08 PM Response to Reply #259 |
277. Why not what? |
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Wed May-04-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #186 |
243. Amen to that, brother (or sister). |
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Sat May-07-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #186 |
397. Well lawyers argue with each other, as well. Arguing is part of their job... |
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Wed May-04-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #62 |
193. Question begging with a heaping of elitist moralizing. |
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Fri May-06-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
396. How condescending of you. |
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Wed May-04-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #41 |
106. and a cold hearted arrogant one at that.. |
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Wed May-04-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #106 |
131. Do you think empathy has a place in the law? How would that work exactly? nt |
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Wed May-04-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #131 |
218. Does your question include the legislative process to create law? It impacts my answer n/t |
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kelly1mm
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Thu May-05-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #218 |
393. No, it does not. Just the judicial branch. Empathy should be involved |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #106 |
174. I do have a daughter, and a wife who was sexually assaulted twice |
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Wed May-04-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #174 |
354. I applaud your decency and decorum, SIr. |
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Wed May-04-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
64. You'd Think.... nm |
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Wed May-04-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
137. OMG I sooo Agree. WTF, so she was silent! Big Whoop! |
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Wed May-04-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #137 |
165. Yeah, and other posters are quibbling about the law. That's not the issue. |
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Wed May-04-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #165 |
197. School has their Heads up their Arse, not the court. |
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Eric J in MN
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Wed May-04-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Organizations have to try to accomodate people based on religion and disability. |
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Lance_Boyle
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Wed May-04-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Should they be required to do the same for any accuser? |
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Eric J in MN
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Wed May-04-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #32 |
42. If a girl says she was raped, make a reasonable accomodation by not requiring |
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Wed May-04-11 11:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
355. football? They have free throws now? |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #25 |
36. How? |
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Wed May-04-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. So you're arguing.......... |
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Wed May-04-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. "Secession sounds better every day." |
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Wed May-04-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Not exactly |
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Wed May-04-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #53 |
252. I'm thinking of Lara Logan |
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Thu May-05-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #252 |
356. Is Lara Logan refusing to do any reporting, and demanding a paycheck for it? |
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Thu May-05-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #356 |
385. But would you.... |
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Fri May-06-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #385 |
395. Nope, I think it would be perfectly rational for her to stop reporting. |
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Wed May-04-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #36 |
46. It's a matter of REASONABLE accomodation not UNREASONABLE accomodation. |
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Wed May-04-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. We do not know what concessions the school offered |
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Wed May-04-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
94. I see your response here and I am flabbergasted by it. In post # 77 |
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Wed May-04-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #94 |
175. Whatever concessions offered, if any, are irrelevant to this case. |
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Wed May-04-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #175 |
180. No they are absolutely relevant, as there may have been no legal |
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Wed May-04-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #180 |
230. Okay, I understand. Now read on... |
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Wed May-04-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #230 |
234. No, no, and no. You keep wanting to make this thread only a legal question. It isn't. |
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Wed May-04-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #234 |
238. Fair enough :) |
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Thu May-05-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #238 |
357. A horrible bit of nitpicking: |
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Wed May-04-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #234 |
260. You can beat your chest about 'moral and societal issues to be |
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Wed May-04-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #260 |
278. I dont care if it has relevance in a legal proceeding. I'm not talking about the legal aspects n/t |
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Wed May-04-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #230 |
241. Again, as is indicative from my first post which you responded to, I did |
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Wed May-04-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
150. As if athletics has anything to do with education... |
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Mon May-09-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
400. Yes, we all know that star athletes are held accountable ... |
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Wed May-04-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
80. The language of reasonable accommodation is out of place here - this is not an ADA case. |
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Wed May-04-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
111. Judgement call |
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Wed May-04-11 07:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
240. That is not a reasonable or appropriate accomodation for a childs club in a public school. |
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Wed May-04-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
98. Now, you are in strawman land. |
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Wed May-04-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #98 |
176. And yet two different courts agreed with me :) |
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Wed May-04-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #176 |
270. And what besides a sociopathic love of court ruling do you have? |
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Wed May-04-11 06:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
221. do the courts where you're at go for this kind of stuff? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #17 |
26. Yeah that does paint it in a bit of a different light |
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Wed May-04-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. She also shouldn't have accepted his plea to a lesser crime than rape. |
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Wed May-04-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #29 |
47. The prosecutor decides to take a plea bargain, not the victim. NT |
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Wed May-04-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Not entirely. |
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Wed May-04-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
152. i doubt the girl had any say in whether there was a plea or not. that would be up to the |
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Wed May-04-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #152 |
167. Post 52. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. a precise and relevant detail which, if omitted consciously may reveal bias. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. What about that statement makes it 'relevant'?? |
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Wed May-04-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Not exactly. |
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Wed May-04-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
103. What if she was performing in the school play and this guy was cast as her romantic lead? |
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Wed May-04-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #103 |
177. Were I the play director in that hypothetical I would ... |
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Wed May-04-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #103 |
178. Very likely she would be. |
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Thu May-05-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #103 |
358. Creepily enough, that *exact* scenario happened at my High School. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #17 |
38. Sick |
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Wed May-04-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #38 |
60. What is sick is disregarding the facts of the case to insult a poster |
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Wed May-04-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
109. Colgate4 |
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Wed May-04-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #109 |
185. Wow! That's quite an accusation there. |
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Wed May-04-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #109 |
188. I'm an attorney. I deal in law, and the facts of a given case. Empathy |
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Wed May-04-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #188 |
274. An attorney? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:55 PM Response to Reply #188 |
348. No, you dont get it. Ultimately, we dont care if the law supports what was done here. |
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Wed May-04-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
351. Which you brought on yourself when you assumed we all wanted to discuss only the legal aspects of |
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Wed May-04-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #17 |
55. The part that is most disgusting to me is calling this a frivolous lawsuit. |
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Wed May-04-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. It was frivolous actually |
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Wed May-04-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #57 |
125. Yeah, the boundaries of free speech is such a frivolous issue. |
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Wed May-04-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #125 |
189. This has nothing to do with free speech. |
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Wed May-04-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #189 |
216. It IS a free speech issue, even though the Robert's court |
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Wed May-04-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #216 |
223. What right of "free speech" do you believe.... |
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Wed May-04-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #223 |
226. I believe she had the right to protest with her actions a rapist's inclusion |
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Wed May-04-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #226 |
244. By your avoidance of my questions I am concluding you have no answers |
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Wed May-04-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #244 |
347. And you have given no answer as to why her lawsuit was frivolous, |
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Wed May-04-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
66. THATLITTLE FUCKING TRAMP! |
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Wed May-04-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
67. Incongruent. This woman had the right to violate her contract with |
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Wed May-04-11 04:26 PM Response to Reply #67 |
190. Don't try and play lawyer - you only embarass yourself. |
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Wed May-04-11 05:02 PM Response to Reply #190 |
201. Like you, oh obvious english major? |
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Wed May-04-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #201 |
205. No - as a practicing attorney with 25+ years courtroom experience |
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Wed May-04-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #205 |
211. Acta exteriora iudicant interiora secreta |
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Wed May-04-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #211 |
263. Non sequitur ad absurdum |
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Thu May-05-11 12:21 AM Response to Reply #211 |
359. iudicant? |
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Wed May-04-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #67 |
220. About that... the best thing you can do for her is to stay away |
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Wed May-04-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #17 |
99. Above statement and this story plus many others makes me ashamed to say I'm from Texas |
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Wed May-04-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #99 |
113. Thank You |
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Wed May-04-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #99 |
179. Hell ya - and pelted with used corn dogs on the way out. |
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Wed May-04-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
121. sorry, but she(having won a cheer squad place) should NOT have to cheer for the fucker who raped her |
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Wed May-04-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #121 |
350. I so agree. That anyone would argue that here is beyond appalling. |
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Wed May-04-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #17 |
148. Wrong. |
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Wed May-04-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
210. I don't see that she had to cheer for him. Not if the school |
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Wed May-04-11 07:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
242. I hate to do it but I must agree |
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Wed May-04-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
250. She was right not to cheer her rapist and its a damn shame he was allowed to come back to HER school |
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Wed May-04-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #250 |
262. The court was following the law |
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Wed May-04-11 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
18. I need to read the prior rulings, but putting that aside, what is as telling if |
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Wed May-04-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
56. You do not know this at all |
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Wed May-04-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #56 |
77. So why don't you tell me what the concessions were? |
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Wed May-04-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. Again.... |
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Wed May-04-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #91 |
96. They are certainly relevant, as the issue could have been resolved. |
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Wed May-04-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #96 |
195. You believe she has the right to concessions from the school |
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Wed May-04-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #195 |
249. Don't do that, YOU are the one who stated you assumed the school did make concessions. |
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Thu May-05-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #195 |
360. "If cheerleader Tracy thinks the dance routine or costume is too racy" |
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Wed May-04-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #56 |
102. You forgot a small bit of information. |
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Wed May-04-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #56 |
182. What would you say... |
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Wed May-04-11 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
19. There's no contact info for school board members in Silsbee, so I |
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Wed May-04-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. LOL! |
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Wed May-04-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
61. Thanks for the info. I just called them. |
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Wed May-04-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #61 |
184. You could always calll back. |
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Thu May-05-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #184 |
361. Deut 22:23 applies to raping the engaged. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
20. That's just shameful, and disgusting. nt |
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Wed May-04-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
45. I thot the school was supposed to educate, not show stupidity. n/t |
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Wed May-04-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
50. I would have handled it a totally different way. |
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Wed May-04-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. ...and yours. |
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Wed May-04-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
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Wed May-04-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
112. He was not cleared. He pled guilty to a lesser charge. n/t |
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Wed May-04-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #112 |
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Wed May-04-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
51. then as punishment the state should withdraw 45k or even more in funding from the school |
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Wed May-04-11 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
58. I always say, there's something in the water in Texas... |
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Wed May-04-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Yep! Tasty goodness! |
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Wed May-04-11 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
69. Outrageous |
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Wed May-04-11 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
70. This decision needs to be reversed or vacated. You can bet there are |
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Wed May-04-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Hello... the US Supreme Court didn't take the case |
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Wed May-04-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. What is the legal basis for that? |
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Wed May-04-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. That's good. |
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Wed May-04-11 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
74. Fuck that shit |
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Wed May-04-11 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
83. She's fortunate... |
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Wed May-04-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
85. Can she declare bankruptcy... |
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Wed May-04-11 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
97. i don't believe that shit. |
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Wed May-04-11 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
100. With Clarence Thomas on the bench it's no surprise. n/t |
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Wed May-04-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Ruling wasn't from US Supreme Court. NT |
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Wed May-04-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #105 |
132. No, but they declined to hear the review - hence the article. |
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Wed May-04-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #132 |
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Wed May-04-11 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
101. All of this disgusts me, but the thing that MOST disgusts me... |
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Wed May-04-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #101 |
108. Suing to protect a made-up Constitutional Right to be a cheerleader |
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Wed May-04-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #108 |
130. So what recourse did she have? |
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Wed May-04-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #130 |
133. Not my framing - that was the suit! |
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Wed May-04-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #133 |
155. So, a professional lawyer would |
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Wed May-04-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #155 |
247. Please explain how it is free speech. nt |
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Wed May-04-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #155 |
264. See the problem is she gave up some of her rights when she joined the cheerleading |
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Wed May-04-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #264 |
279. Totally different |
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Thu May-05-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #279 |
376. Problem is she made the agreement |
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Wed May-04-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #264 |
349. Really? Did that get explained to the parents when they signed the permission slip? |
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Thu May-05-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #349 |
377. Unless her parents were total idiots |
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Wed May-04-11 04:39 PM Response to Reply #133 |
196. Blunt but accurate |
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Wed May-04-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #108 |
163. Was she suing for money |
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Wed May-04-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #101 |
251. If we could recommend comments, I'd recommend yours X 1000 |
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Wed May-04-11 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
116. family values |
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Wed May-04-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
122. Athletics and cheerleading are about the student not the school. |
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Wed May-04-11 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
126. I'm sympathetic, but . . . |
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Wed May-04-11 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
128. Just the assault charge should have kept him off the basketball team. |
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Wed May-04-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #128 |
134. Just the charge, not the conviction? You do know that at the time of |
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Wed May-04-11 03:20 PM Response to Reply #134 |
153. That's not the timeline the article has. |
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Wed May-04-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #153 |
171. You are right, mea culpa! Tried to self delete my post but time expired. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #153 |
275. The timeline is this |
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Wed May-04-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #275 |
280. That timeline seems more complete than that of this article. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:26 PM Response to Reply #280 |
281. I've read quite a few articles on this |
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Wed May-04-11 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
136. One Question |
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Wed May-04-11 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
160. Reminds me of the damn Taliban. nt |
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Wed May-04-11 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
164. Horrors. Can this story be true? |
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Odin2005
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Wed May-04-11 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
191. I am fucking speechless! |
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Wed May-04-11 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
198. No one is watching out for us anymore. I hope her father is able to secretly take care of the |
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Wed May-04-11 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
212. There is a real "Take it, bitch!" quality to this whole |
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mn9driver
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Wed May-04-11 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
215. Law and Justice are not synonymous |
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Arugula Latte
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Wed May-04-11 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
219. Absolutely disgusting and sickening. |
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Wed May-04-11 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
222. the key words are basketball star |
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Chris_Texas
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Wed May-04-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #222 |
237. Quite an imagination there |
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Wed May-04-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #237 |
248. He plays both football and basketball. |
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Wed May-04-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #237 |
268. No, you are twisted for a different reason |
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Thu May-05-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #268 |
368. Once again, the law does not function based on emotion, empathy |
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Wed May-04-11 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
224. I hope there is a donation site for her |
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Wed May-04-11 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
227. Compensate them for WHAT? |
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Egnever
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Wed May-04-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #227 |
239. Legal fees they had to pay to defend themselves. |
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COLGATE4
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Thu May-05-11 08:13 AM Response to Reply #227 |
369. For the thousands of dollars the school district (which is probably |
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Wed May-04-11 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
229. SCOTUS SUCKS. |
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COLGATE4
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Thu May-05-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #229 |
370. This WAS civil court. |
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Thu May-05-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #370 |
375. No Justice |
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Wed May-04-11 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
232. Jesus... |
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Wed May-04-11 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
235. Excuse me? Excuse me? Has anyone seen the court's decisions? |
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COLGATE4
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Thu May-05-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #235 |
371. Lower trial court opinions are not published - there are just way too |
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Wed May-04-11 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
236. Women must be taught at an early age that they are mere chattel and shall forever be subservient to |
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Wed May-04-11 07:36 PM Response to Original message |
245. Kinda sucks the high School had that name |
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Wed May-04-11 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
246. absolutely sickening... no one can defend this |
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Ken Burch
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Wed May-04-11 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
253. Why are they being this vindictive? |
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Wed May-04-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #253 |
254. Why aren't girls and women in that school district |
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Ken Burch
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Wed May-04-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #254 |
255. Maybe they've got them on lockdown. |
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Wed May-04-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #255 |
257. Possibly... |
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Wed May-04-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #257 |
261. Interesting link. Apparently Rakheem has many protectors. |
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Wed May-04-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #255 |
267. "Baptist Sharia" |
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Wed May-04-11 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
265. Looks like Texas just became a "right to rape" state |
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Wed May-04-11 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
269. Texas Loves Its Jocks! They Can Do No Wrong! |
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Fri May-06-11 02:59 AM Response to Reply #269 |
394. Basketball is actually popular in a number of States now. Texas is just another State |
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Wed May-04-11 09:47 PM Response to Original message |
272. I hope she can declare bankruptcy and never pay a penny of this. |
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tammywammy
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Wed May-04-11 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
282. I agree with the decision |
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U4ikLefty
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
283. Is the athlete's name Kobe Roethlisberger? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
284. Cheerleader who wouldn't root for assailant loses |
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texastoast
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
285. Figures. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
286. K&R |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
287. This is so obviously depraved. Sports has a weird effect. nt |
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #287 |
337. Patriarchy always |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
288. Of course, if she were seeking an abortion after the rape... |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #288 |
289. exactly. The majority on this SCOTUS are corrupt chauvinist pigs |
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HankyDubs
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #289 |
290. the scotus we have |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #290 |
291. +1000 |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #290 |
295. + another 1,000! |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #290 |
303. +1000 +1 |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #290 |
308. The five are destroying this country. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #290 |
329. True! |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #288 |
328. Right. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
292. Did she press charges after the alleged rape? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #292 |
293. did you read the article? It answers some of your questions. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #292 |
297. He pleaded guility to assault and got one year suspended sentence. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #297 |
300. Why the hell didn't they kick him off the team? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #300 |
304. It sounds like the guy is pretty foul already |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #300 |
318. Because at the time of this incident he wasn't charged with anything |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #300 |
321. He plead guilty AFTER the girl refused to cheer |
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #321 |
340. Well then, after the school HAD the facts, why didn't they just do the decent thing and say |
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #340 |
342. Tribal Behavior |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
294. I pointed out to my Texas Granddaughter, |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
296. Outrageous... |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
298. This is one of those cases where |
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Ken Burch
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
299. Making free throws matters more than the dignity of a rape victim |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #299 |
310. *alleged* rape victim |
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Ken Burch
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #310 |
311. She WAS raped, that part goes without saying. |
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Clovis Sangrail
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #311 |
312. why does that part "go without saying"? |
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Lance_Boyle
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #311 |
323. No, that does not go without saying. |
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U4ikLefty
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #323 |
330. He's a rapist. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #330 |
331. As long as the law disagrees with you (which it does), |
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NashVegas
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #331 |
343. This Is Not a Court of Law |
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U4ikLefty
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #331 |
346. The "law" doesn't tell me that Bu$h is a war criminal. |
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Ken Burch
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #323 |
339. By that logic, only those women whose rapists were actually convicted were REALLY raped |
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #310 |
336. And cionfirmed assualt victim... |
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Lance_Boyle
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #336 |
338. This is correct. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
301. The group always wins over the individual with our SHIT supreme court |
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Hissyspit
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
302. LOL |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
305. The cheerleader had a shitty lawyer. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #305 |
320. K&R |
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #305 |
345. It would be nice if we could raise some of the money for the court costs. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
306. every person on the cheerleading squad |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #306 |
313. Why the broad brush against Texas? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #313 |
315. I think Texas gets the bad rap of insane cheerleaders ever since |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #315 |
316. Perhaps. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
307. It's a free speech issue |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #307 |
314. Word |
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Thu May-05-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #307 |
372. As an individual she has the right to remain silent. As a de facto |
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Thu May-05-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #307 |
378. She wasnt under arrest though so that doesnt apply |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
309. "the cheerleading was speaking for her school"? |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #309 |
319. He was on the team because at the time of this incident he hadn't been charged with anything |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #319 |
322. not exactly what I read |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #322 |
325. This doesn't contradict what I said. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #322 |
327. never know who's telling the truth |
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #309 |
333. you're right, that "speaking for the school" argument is BS given the circumstances |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
317. It's the unheralded side-sport of jocks. Cheerleader raping. |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #284 |
324. While the circumstances behind the case are sad it was right decision |
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Wed May-04-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #324 |
326. I also agree with this decision |
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #284 |
332. Two things.... |
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Freddie Stubbs
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #332 |
335. At the time when she wouldn't cheer, the player had yet to be charged |
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #335 |
341. Then they should just have asked her what happened, and when she told them, said |
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NashVegas
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #341 |
344. Just Another Fucked Up Texas Town |
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Wed May-04-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #284 |
334. Disgusting. |
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Thu May-05-11 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
362. I cannot understand this case. Such injustice for this young girl. Why? |
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JAbuchan08
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Thu May-05-11 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
363. legally this decision was correct |
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FlaGranny
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Thu May-05-11 07:02 AM Response to Original message |
366. God, after reading this thread |
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COLGATE4
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Thu May-05-11 08:05 AM Response to Reply #366 |
367. Who are you arguing against? The attorneys who defended the suit |
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Thu May-05-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #367 |
380. The professed attorneys |
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Thu May-05-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #380 |
387. Nobody ever said life was fair. The school district didn't sue |
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Sat May-07-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #387 |
398. It's more than a mere POINT they were trying to prove |
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Thu May-05-11 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
379. texas |
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Thu May-05-11 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
382. I just don't get it. |
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Thu May-05-11 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
383. Someone should start a legal defense fund for this girl and her family |
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Thu May-05-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
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Thu May-05-11 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
386. The problem isn't with the courts or the ruling, it's with the school |
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Thu May-05-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #386 |
388. You've got it. Although, to be honest, the lawyer that took the girl's |
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Thu May-05-11 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
389. sign cause petition to request Fair Appeal for cheerleader |
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Thu May-05-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #389 |
392. What are you petitioning to "appeal"? The appellate decision |
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Thu May-05-11 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
391. what a twisted, fucked-up world we live in n/t |
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Mon May-09-11 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
401. As a poster at another website's forum said, |
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Tue May-24-11 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
403. Loser pays, winner preys, rapist stays |
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