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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:26 PM Original message |
Photos show three dead men at bin Laden raid house (GRAPHIC IMAGES AT LINK) |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. Just because there's no guns in the picture doesn't mean there's no guns. |
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Astrad (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. They're saying no arms or explosives were recovered at the scene |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. You believe the statement of the same people you say were protecting Bin Laden? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. And, it could be that they were were unarmed and just shot on the spot, because that was the order |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. No it doesn't. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #11 |
22. We're not the only ones who want to know exactly how this went down. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Release it to who? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. It would be foolish to stonewall on this. Just release the helmet cam tapes. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. If they're not releasing the pictures, they're not releasing anything else. |
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octothorpe (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 06:51 AM Response to Reply #22 |
111. I doubt we'll ever see that video. |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
77. No, the burden is on any accuser to prove the accusation that |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
100. In your mind, maybe |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. It's possible the "anonymous" photographer staged the scene for maximum impact. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. If the US bombed that building, the US would have been blamed for bombing women and children. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
56. The US DOES bomb women and children |
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ronnie624 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
108. Do women and children live on U.S. military bases, |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #108 |
113. ohhh... |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Would not put it past the ISI AT ALL, in fact. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. That is correct. This could be disinfo, also. We'll have to wait to see what the tape of the |
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brooklynite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Also possible the American troops took the weapons with them... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Why would I care if they were unarmed? This isn't Dodge City. |
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Tarheel_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. "As for spreading propaganda, that would be you, wouldn't it?" |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 06:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
106. I can't believe you didn't notice the squirt gun! |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
109. Also, how would they know whether the place was booby trapped or not, or if they wore suicide vests? |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. No one expected the Seals to leave guns behind did they? |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. No, that is not what you do. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
59. Maybe they wanted to track down where the guns came from. |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
103. Maybe they were left over israeli guns from the eighties, |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. There would be shell casings all over the place if they were firing AKs. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. I haven't heard anyone say that there are photos of shell casings. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Nick Robertson on CNN said he saw bullet holes outside of the building. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. But what does that have to do with the photos that the guy took and sold to Reuters? n/t |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. If there are no guns, and no shell casings, nobody fired a weapon in the room except the SEALs. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #37 |
52. No one has said that there weren't shell casings or guns. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Nothing |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. If there are no shell casings, the M4A1 used by Spec Forces has a cartridge catcher like this: |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Who said there's no shell casings? |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. We don't know until we see the photos. If there are none to be seen, it raises further questions |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:07 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. You don't get it. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. Bingo! If the Pakistanis knew he was there, so did the Saudis, and so did the CIA, and so did Bush. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #62 |
91. From the Wikileaks document, it looks like we've known since at least 2003.. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. Seriously. I would have liked to have heard Obama's call to Pakistani President. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. It's the Army Chief of Staff and ISI that run these things. Bhutto apparently didn't know. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #50 |
64. House arrest. Huh. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. Digital images will show details like that. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. No, digital images of details like that will show details like that. |
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Skink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. maybe they offered him alive but that wouldn't have been good for a bunch of people. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Yes, dear. The SEALs and Obama are Bush lackeys. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. There are no Polly-Anna's here. Pakistan uses extremists & so do we |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. Sometimes, Pakistan and the US (and the Saudis) use the same extremists. |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
6. "House Arrest" is how I'm reading it. |
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glinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
66. Which way was the barbed wire facing? In or outward? |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #66 |
102. The photos that I've seen it was straight up. nt |
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sharp_stick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
7. I just love how |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Those details are all from the US government during briefings over the last... |
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jdlh8894 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #18 |
38. Do you think the DOD is lying about the children, wives, etc.? That there were bodyguards there that |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Well, pray tell, what do you believe the real story is then? |
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jdlh8894 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
101. Keep those ears open and have a Q-tip close! |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. And if the US bombed the place and children and wives were pulled out |
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Cognitive_Resonance (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
23. The "courier tale" sounds like a cover story. I suspect he was "given-up" the old fashioned way, |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
28. HINT: Is it really more important that the SEALS might have shot unarmed terrorists OR... |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
30. If Pakistan was helping us I would think they wouldn't want anyone to know |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
31. This story stinks.... |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Think Reuters is tryin' to pull a fast one on us, eh? |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
34. Gee, is it possible those super trustworthy Pakistani's could have cleaned the scene |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Sorry, where does the Reuters report assert anything the DOD doesn't? |
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trud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
35. Poll_Blind |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. But I didn't say that, trud. You did. I didn't edit my OP, no trickery. |
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Ineeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
40. Doesn't anyone else find it telling that |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Is that the same official that cleaned up the scene? |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
49. Link doesn't work. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Never had Reuters do this before but they updated the story with the actual images. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Links don't work again. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. LOL, those BASTARDS! One sec.... |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. Ok, updated AGAIN, Damnit!!! |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. Here's the same story |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Thank you, updated the link and page says they have graphic images so... |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. You're welcome |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. yep |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
71. Try the link below |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:04 PM Response to Reply #71 |
86. Picture # 7 of 9 looks bears a resemblance to bin Laden. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. If any of them were his son, it would be the guy in the white t-shirt. |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #88 |
94. Thanks for pointing that out. The three men that were killed were supposed to be... |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Well Reuters is trying to play it safe. Their original article about 15% of the length of..... |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #88 |
104. Yep. That's the one I was talking about. |
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Proletariatprincess (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
61. Why wasn't OBL captured and held for trial? |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. I agree with you /nt |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
83. If he didn't surrender, where's the obligation to refrain from |
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Proletariatprincess (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. you missed my point. |
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24601 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #89 |
98. Thanks - but my understanding was their ROE included a live |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
70. Here's another link to the photos |
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fonduekid (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
72. Re: Photos show three dead men at bin Laden raid house (GRAPHIC IMAGES AT LINK) |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Nope, but all major news orgs picked up the story so it should be sorted out shortly. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:23 PM Response to Original message |
73. None of the links works to show graphic photos. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:33 PM Original message |
They were there for both the Reuters and Yahoo link but now neither of them.... |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:33 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. The article at the CA site was tampered with to remove the URL and photos |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Nothing but the innocent outside of the compound. |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. URL working fine for me/ 5:50PM /nt |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. Just now worked for me. |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
75. Fortunately |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
79. >>>HERE is a link to the images from the house (GRAPHIC WARNING) |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Yes, that one works. close ups of dead bodies and some chopper wreckage |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
85. It is what it is |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. You wrote: |
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Botany (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. you are correct |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
87. Definitely SEAL kills. That second guy has a perfect kill zone head shot. Died instantly. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Carlos Hathcock school of sniping. And you'd be right. Dead before they hit the ground. |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
93. THIS helicopter photo, I cannot ID it. Is it a big UAV or some part of a stealth chopper? |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. From "Part 2" at that link, this is a pretty impressive mockup: |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Thanks! That's a pretty serious looking piece of warcraft. |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #96 |
107. Very cool. n/t |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 06:34 AM Response to Reply #96 |
110. What is the purpose of the conical tail cone? Anyone? Aerodynamic, avionics, weapons pod? |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-05-11 07:59 AM Response to Reply #96 |
112. Yup - I think it's the tail rotor |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-04-11 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
105. One of them was clearly armed... with a squirt gun. |
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