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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 11:50 AM Original message |
Federal judge rules against Calif. gun advocates (no Constitutional right to conceal carry) |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. Sanity survives one day at a time. |
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DavidDvorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Unfortunately, the insane faction is a majority on the Supreme Court. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. +1 |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 04:50 AM Response to Reply #1 |
47. Don't DU rules require that the first post on every gun thread be a popcorn-eating image (and |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
3. Not surprised. nt |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
4. Good call. |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
5. Let me just remind you |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. The judge ruled "no right to concealed carry." |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Yes, you've once again reminded us of the rightwing kooks who hold a majority... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. Let me just remind you that the court ruled that the Second Amendment was NOT absolute |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Oh yeah - just how many RW SCOTUS justices will allow "law abiders" to carry guns into their court? |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 03:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
24. McDonald Court held that |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 12:27 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. I notice you are contradicting your fellow gun control advocates. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 04:44 AM Response to Reply #5 |
46. Your point? |
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Arctic Dave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
6. OBAMA IS TAKIN OUR GUNZZZZZZ11!!!11 |
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SoapBox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
7. Oh ya...The Five Activist Judges on the Supreme Court will rule over this... |
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RSillsbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
14. Straw man |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. The opposite is true if |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 05:21 AM Response to Reply #14 |
50. LOL! (And people say I'm too literal.) |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. Good news. |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. Kind of hard to stretch "keep and bear arms" to |
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Kolesar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. This is when the frenzied gun activists change the subject to "no one got hurt" |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. No problem for this Supreme Court |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Yes, I do. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Right |
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Somawas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Read the actual text. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 04:33 AM Response to Reply #34 |
45. It says that a well -regulated militia is the reason for the right. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 08:36 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. It says the importance of a well-regulated militia is the reason the right shall not be infringed |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. You have it exactly backwards, perverted to perfection |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. A well regulated militia being necessary... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 11:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. The Constitution is silent on people deriving pleasure from blowing shit up, but that is off topic |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 12:33 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. It all depends upon where you lay the emphasis |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 04:05 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. My point is that unless the state has a compelling interest in restricting a choice, there is no... |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 05:07 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. "Compelling state interest" and "rational basis" are two separate standards. Courts apply one or |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 07:58 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Spoken like a con law survivor |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Neither of those standards applies to California's obsolete system of issuing CCW permits |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #43 |
58. You'd be surprised by how much of that I'd agree with |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
57. Look at the preamble to the bill of rights. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Yep, and look at where that has brought us |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 10:05 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. It's one thing to argue that it should be changed, it's quite another.. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Normally I'd agree with you |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Well, either follow the constitution or change it. I don't see a middle ground in there. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Nope, you're absolutely right about that |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Inertia has seemed to be the big challenge.. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Oh, man, I wish I knew |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Selfishness.. |
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primavera (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Sounds about right |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. If we'd implemented 1/5th of the energy savings he was shooting for.. |
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Vinee (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #9 |
37. kind of hard to stretch "shall not be infringed" to "shall be infringed" too. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 05:12 AM Response to Reply #37 |
49. Not really. Similarly absolute seeming language abounds in the Bill of Rights, |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
13. What I want to know is what's the real reason the sheriff denied these permits? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. It was a huge scandal in Orange County |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. That may be true in your part of the world but some of us are still in Mayberry |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I live in San Diego (city and county) |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
41. Ahh, San Diego...that explains a lot. nt |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 04:25 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Yes, we have a wonderful climate, good food, and good schools here |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 07:04 AM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Ah, more geographical elitism on DU. |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #52 |
61. Out of curiousity, which post did you think was geographically elitist? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I was wondering the same thing |
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tularetom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. I don't live in Tulare I only grew up there |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
15. K&R The Holy Second Amendment is not absolute - no matter what the GOP/NRA gun extremists say |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 04:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. But, but, but... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
19. Another sad day for our friends in Ca... |
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The Nexus (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
20. K&R but it's not over by a long shot!!!!! nt |
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alp227 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
21. England is a GW Bush nominee serving since 2002 |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-17-11 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
27. YAY.... sanity |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-18-11 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
33. There were a lot of people on DU claiming that Heller and McDonald would fail. |
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No Elephants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 06:24 AM Response to Original message |
51. McDonald was not exactly unanimous. |
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Le Taz Hot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
53. THANK YOU! |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
70. The problem with California is that CCW rules are all over the map. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. I could have easily gotten one in San Diego when I was managing a campaign for city council |
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lark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-19-11 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
72. Isn't it sad when sanity surprises us, because we see it so seldom? |
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