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dArKeR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:35 PM
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U.S. Launches Heavy Fire on Fallujah
By JASON KEYSER and LOURDES NAVARRO, Associated Press Writers

FALLUJAH, Iraq - U.S. warplanes and helicopters firing heavy machine guns, rockets and cannons hammered insurgents Wednesday in the besieged city of Fallujah, and the commander of U.S. Marines here warned that a fragile truce was near collapse.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040414/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_4

Wait a second. I really don't have time to read all the articles so I don't know exactly what's going on. But the Iraqis haven't killed a hostage yet, and they've released many so far, but we're continuing to kill more Iraqis? Can a moral/honest person let me know their opinion!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:43 PM
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1. the president said last night
said we were going to do this, no surprize about the usa breaking the truce,esp. after sadri dropped all demands.

it`s time to die
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:55 PM
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3. God Help the Mothers
The American mothers----Who are going to get pieces of their children shipped home in a box.

The Iraqi mothers---- bits of whom will be mingled with the bits of their children in a cold dark unmarked grave.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 12:52 PM
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2. The Bushies lied again
Edited on Wed Apr-14-04 01:09 PM by camero
They never had a cease fire. They stopped dropping 500 pound bombs on them but the snipers were still working.

http://www.guerrillanews.com/human_rights/doc4291.html

RUSH TRANSCRIPT

AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, the War and Peace Report. I'm Amy Goodman. As we turn now to Rahul Mahajan, author of "Full Spectrum Dominance: U.S. Power In Iraq and Beyond". He's running a new blog called EmpireNotes.org. One of the only journalists in Fallujah during the U.S. siege of the town. We caught up with him late yesterday in Baghdad after he'd came out of Fallujah. This is Rahul Majajan.


RAHUL MAHAJAN: We were in Fallujah over part of Saturday, and Sunday morning before we left. I can tell you from whatever I have seen, there's a big controversy now with the Arab press, Al-Jazeera, in particular reporting U.S. atrocities and war crimes in Fallujah, and the U.S. press tamely reporting Brigadier General Mark Kim's claims no such thing is happening. I can tell you from what I have seen with my own eyes that Al-Jazeera is much closer to the truth. Al-Jazeera is saying that about half of the 600 people killed, at least, were women and children, and of course, larger number were -- in total were non-combatants. I saw with my own eyes, many women and children who were injured and at least one who was quite certain to die.
They have been reporting shooting at ambulances by snipers. Right now, the quote, "cease-fire" in effect, the primary mode of attack for the United States is not the heavy bombs they were using in the earlier stages but snipers on rooftops. I can tell you that I saw two ambulances, one of them had two bullet holes on the downward trajectory right in front of the driver's side of the ambulance. They were probably direct hits on the heart of the ambulance driver. Another ambulance, again with one single, neat bullet hole. This is no way this was an accident. These were deliberate shots into the windshield of the ambulance to kill people sitting in the front seat. Given the circumstances in Fallujah at the time, with completely blacked out streets and ambulances with bright lights with the sirens blowing, I can't imagine that the sniper could have mistaken them for something else.


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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 01:02 PM
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4. not much of a truce
if we're firing heavy machine guns, rockets and cannons...
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 01:19 PM
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5. Good News Iraq
After they spent several hundreds millions of Taxpayer money a P.R. campaign to sell a Iraq war to the U.S. population what would you expect.

These folks are traitors from the word GO

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3939534,00.html
AP: Bush Loyalists Pack Iraq Press Office

Sunday April 4, 2004 6:46 PM

By JIM KRANE

Associated Press Writer

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Inside the marble-floored palace hall that serves as the press office of the U.S.-led coalition, Republican Party operatives lead a team of Americans who promote mostly good news about Iraq.

Dan Senor, a former press secretary for Spencer Abraham, the Michigan Republican who's now Energy Secretary, heads the office packed with former Bush campaign workers, political appointees and ex-Capitol Hill staffers.

One-third of the U.S. civilian workers in the press office have GOP ties, running an enterprise that critics see as an outpost of Bush's re-election effort with Iraq a top concern. Senor and others inside the coalition say they follow strict guidelines that steer clear of politics.

One of the main goals of the Office of Strategic Communications - known as stratcom - is to ensure Americans see the positive side of the Bush administration's invasion, occupation and reconstruction of Iraq, where 600 U.S. soldiers have died and a deadly insurgency thrives.

``Beautification Plan for Baghdad Ready to Begin,'' one press release in late March said in its headline. Another statement last month cautioned, ``The Reality is Nothing Like What You See on Television.''
(snip)
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JeebusH Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 01:46 PM
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6. holy 1984 ....
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:03 PM
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7. No, not really
But maybe this story will make your jaw drop(but then again for an average DUer probably not). This whole pretext for so much of this WAR,WAR,WAR b.s. is 9/11. None of this would be able to have been done without it. Think about it

Try this story on for awhile

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37596

9-11 Commission stonewalls TWA 800 author
Posted: March 16, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com

Dear Chairman Kean,

Al Salzenberg of the 9-11 staff suggested I write you a letter to express my dissatisfaction with the progress of the 9-11 Commission.

On or about Feb. 20, I talked to Mr. Salzenberg at some length about one very specific concern I had with the commission. I was impressed with the time he gave me and the fact that he seemed, at least, to take my information seriously.

My concern was with the presence of former Clinton Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick on the commission. Immediately after the crash of TWA Flight 800 in July 1996, Justice Department attorney Valerie Caproni fully ignored existing statutes and gave the FBI power over the National Transportation Safety Board in the management of the investigation.

In a stroke, as I explained to Mr. Salzenberg, the Clinton Justice Department hermetically sealed the investigation and silenced the independent voices of the NTSB. Ms. Caproni could not have acted on her own authority. As the "political officer" equivalent in the Justice Department, Ms. Gorelick likely orchestrated this takeover – one that all parties now acknowledge to have been illegal.

On Aug. 22, 1996, just a few days before the start of the Democratic National Convention, Ms. Gorelick oversaw a critical Justice Department meeting with the FBI. Immediately after this meeting, as it happened, all serious inquiry into the fate of TWA 800 came to an end.
(snip)
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:05 PM
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8. Only one third GOP and the other two thirds AEI employees
I wonder if the media is once again going to be lapdogs and go along with this crap.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:10 PM
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9. the media relies on the same people as experts
all those neocons who have been proven wrong by any measure, they're still showing up all over the TV to give their worthless opinions.

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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:19 PM
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10. Any body see this yet ?
Seems to along the same vein of thought

http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_6495.shtml

When Puppets Pull the Strings: Neocon and Chalabi blunder helps destabilize Iraq
By Martin Sieff
Apr 14, 2004, 02:51



Ahmed Chalabi, the neocons' choice to run Iraq, appears to have been responsible for the disastrous decision to move against Muqtada al-Sadr.

Why did they do it? It seemed a safe bet to the civilian echelon policymakers at the Department of Defense when they approved Coalition Provisional Authority administrator L. Paul Bremer's fateful decision to close down the newspaper of Muqtada al-Sadr and to arrest an aide to the young firebrand Shiite cleric. Even after Shiite Iraq had erupted into fury over the moves on Saturday, April 3, top-level Pentagon policymakers were privately still convinced it was all a storm in a teacup.

A small event on Sunday, April 4, the very day after the move against al-Sadr prompted the revolt, provides the missing piece to the puzzle. For that was when the CPA announced the name of Iraq's putative new defense minister for the post-June 30 government. His name is Ali Allawi and he is a loyal, close associate of Ahmed Chalabi, head of the Iraqi National Congress. More, he is Chalabi's nephew.

Chalabi, longtime exile leader, has never had a power base within Iraq. He is a smooth operator, convicted of embezzling millions from the Petra Bank of Jordan -- sentenced in absentia to 22 years of hard labor -- but championed by the neoconservatives of Washington. They had lined up Chalabi to be their man in Baghdad years before the conquest of Iraq. Although he is a Shiia, the 60-year-old Chalabi had not lived there since age 12, and when he returned he surrounded himself with a U.S.-paid personal militia but had no political following. Without his U.S. sponsors, he would not last five minutes as a force. He is widely suspected of profiting enormously from U.S. contracts in the country. After the war, Chalabi proudly boasted of providing misleading intelligence to the U.S. government that was indispensable in spurring the invasion. He remains on the Pentagon's payroll -- $340,000 a month -- not counting the $40 million that he's received at the insistence of the Republican-dominated Congress over the past decade. He is a focal point of mistrust on all sides within Iraq.

Just as Bremer will not make the slightest move without the approval of his Pentagon bosses, the Defense Department policymakers continue to rely on Chalabi alone for their political assessments on Iraq. In private conversation, as in public, they remain amazingly enthusiastic about Chalabi's supposed political skills, and even genius, and proclaim repeatedly that he is the only man with the brilliance to hold Iraq together and make it work. Give Chalabi a free hand after June 30 and give him all the U.S. firepower he wants to crush his foes -- this is their master plan; there is no other.

The CPA actually had some "hard" data to support this wildly inaccurate interpretation. For U.S. military intelligence assessments in Iraq had concluded that al-Sadr was a fading force. The crowds attending his sermons were smaller. The number of armed supporters he could count on to exert his will was decreasing. The tone of his public pronouncements was becoming shriller and more desperate as the June 30 hand-over date to Iraqi leaders approved by the U.S. authorities came closer.
(snip)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:51 PM
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13. God, that is sooo depressing....
I can't believe his is still getting paid 3 MILLION US Dollars a year to for his "services" AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!! :grr: :grr: :grr:
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:26 PM
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11. Have they no sense of irony?
I mean, they seem to be complaining that the truce is about to collapse while simultaneously bombarding Fallujah.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:38 PM
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12. Looks like it's Guernica Time!
Our homegrown Fascist Busheviks are as usual taking their cues DIRECTLY from Grandpa Prescott's German Business Partners of the 1930s.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-14-04 02:52 PM
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14. Hi dArKeR
There's an existing thread in LBN on this topic. Please continue the discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x485366

Thanks! :hi:
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