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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:13 PM
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Obama shifts on jobs speech, says he didn’t cave to GOP
Source: The Washington Post

To hear White House aides tell it, President Obama didn’t capitulate to House Speaker John A. Boehner when he agreed to postpone by a day his jobs speech to a joint session of Congress. Obama wasn’t a poor communicator. He hadn’t caved to Republicans.

There wasn’t even a story here.

“What flap?” press secretary Jay Carney deadpanned at his daily briefing when asked about the scheduling kerfuffle, which had dominated the Washington news cycle for nearly 24 hours.

Obama had aggressively scheduled his speech for precisely the same time this coming Wednesday as a long-scheduled Republican presidential candidates debate in California. But the gambit backfired when Boehner (R-Ohio) objected and forced him to come Thursday instead, providing instant fodder for pundits, bloggers and the “Twitterverse.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-day-later-white-house-declares-speech-faceoff-irrelevant/2011/09/01/gIQATyqJvJ_story.html
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:22 PM
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1. Well, if he gives an hour speech, their rebuttal will get buried in the football game.
Ed showed how Boner folded after Rush threw his temper tantrum.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 11:00 PM
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8. Yep
He was not the loser on this one! Boehner let Limbaugh tell him what to do, not the sign of a "leader", and it was the republicans that came out looking like children on this one. I agree with you also that their rebuttal isn't going to get much attention, and I bet they didn't think about that when "they" pushed Thursday for the presidents speech, now it's to late for them!
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 01:09 AM
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14. and Obama's speech...
will get buried in the pre-game show. Boehner won this one.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 05:39 AM
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18. Most of those watching the pre-game and game are NOT going to watch Obama's speech or the repukes
Debate

I know the media believes their analysis is oracle, but as usual they are full of it and themselves


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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:35 PM
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39. Yes. The bulk of the nation is not yet focused. They're just coming off summer vacay. nt
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ejbr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:13 AM
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20. So, by the theory of transitivity, Obama folded to Rush...wonderful n/t
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willhe Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:51 AM
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23. Here's the part of Flush that pissed me off
He said we must use this to "put him in his place"

For them Obama is nothing but a n____r and they've treated him that way since inauguration. For those that doubt everything that's been going on has been racial all they have to do is open their eyes. You have fat loud mouths Flush and Insanity going berserk saying how radical this administration has been. I agree with that because everything he's done in office has been moving to the right and that Sarah Failin is the terrorist he's been paling around with. The right wing are on a scorch earth policy to get rid of not a democrat but the black man out of office. Bin Laden was a republican. Al Queda is right wing organization.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 07:33 AM
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25. Nope. Boner has already said that the rebuttal will be given
one week later. Shows how much they think of what Obama's going to inveil.
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Volaris Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 07:47 AM
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26. At least they are figuring out how utterly stoopid they look
when they have a guy waiting to spew talking points as soon as the Pres. finishes saying "good morning" in the morning...
That they think it will take a week to formulate an adequate response tells you how for they still have to go lol...
Idiots to the last, that's today's flavor of the GOP...
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:23 PM
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2. I would desperately love to lock Obama up for a few days...
with nothing but the best bios of FDR, video and audiotape of his major speeches--and maybe a tad of Truman thrown in. No more Reagan crap....
For Gawd's sakes, Obama, learn from a Master who was elected to office four times! Learn from a REAL Democrat (big D and little d)....
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:28 PM
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3. I'm with you on that,,,, n/t
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:35 PM
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5. Perhaps a search of Obama's reading lists would help ya out.
Obama has read books about FDR.

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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:44 PM
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6. He has included a couple. I am aware of that.
Edited on Thu Sep-01-11 10:57 PM by hlthe2b
My point remains.... NOTHING for three days but FDR (and maybe a bit of Truman) so that it MIGHT stick?


Because he goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about Reagan.

I like to think something about FDR would make at least a similar impact. No, I remain a Obama supporter, but I am a disappointed Obama supporter. Obama has so much more potential. We need him to reach towards it... Desperately. And I am convinced he could learn quite a few imminently successful strategic lessons from FDR's speeches and actions, dealing with a similarly corrupt and obstructive Republican opposition. Hell, FDR even had to deal with attempts to have him "taken out"-- an actual Coup attempt-- per Smedley Butler.

Yes, Obama needs one hell of a lot more FDR and a lot less to be learned from Reagan.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 11:29 AM
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30. Fuck that! Stop comparing Obama to other people. Why does he have to be compared
to white men and can't be his own person? It is offensive! Please stop!
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 12:27 PM
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31. You don't get to berate and make demands of other DUers.
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 12:38 PM by hlthe2b
You are way off base. Obama needs to learn to deal more effectively with these recalcitrant and obnoxious RETHUGS. It only makes sense that he would learn from the experiences of Democratic Presidents that came before him. Given that there have been no other African American Presidents, then by default, these are going to white male Democratic Presidents. Same as our first female President will have nothing but male Presidential "role models" to learn from.

I support Obama, but I also want him to be the best President he can be. If he does not learn how to more effectively and strategically deal with these RETHUG assholes, he will not reach that potential--and we all suffer as a result.
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pearl303 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 01:53 PM
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34. demands of others
I agree - I want him to stand up to these B...ds. They feel he is a pushover. What makes it worst he own base is not speaking out.
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pearl303 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 01:19 PM
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33. comparing Pres. Obama
I agree Stalwart71 - Ever since his election, there has been a round table discussion on all networks 24/7 on what he should do and not do. The Rep always mentioning their God Ronald Reagan and comparing him to Carter. Its unbelievable. Never though I live to see the day.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 02:02 PM
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36. the poster to which you replied mistakenly thought I was doing so...
Wanting Obama to learn from the lessons of those very unique few Democratic Presidents who went before him--many who faced every much shit (and more) as he himself is currently facing from asshole Republican opposition--is quite different from "comparing" him to anyone.

Unfortunately, our friend, Stalwart71 seems to think those criticizing Obama are doing so for reasons other than WANTING him to succeed. Sycophancy is really not very helpful--to Obama or any other figure in a leadership role. :shrug: His supporters must defend him, certainly, but also PUSH him. He, himself has asked for no less.
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TroglodyteScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 03:20 PM
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38. Way to frivolously inject race into the conversation. n/t
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 01:10 AM
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15. too bad his reading comprehension...
seems to be sub-par, just like his leadership.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 11:18 PM
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9. agreed, except for the Truman part
Truman:

1 Dropped the atomic bombs on Japan, The atomization of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a war of more scope than any of the Japanese generals were executed for. If Harry Truman was not a war criminal, then no one ever was.

2 Championed the development of the hydrogen bomb, which makes Fat Man and Little Boy look like firecrackers.

3 The horrific Taft-Hartley Act passed on his watch, and he utterly failed in his attempts to repeal it, thus gutting the Wagner Act, and sowing the foundational seeds of union destruction for the next 60 years

4 Was the first Cold Warrior president, giving left cover to take-over of the US foreign policy by the military-industrial complex

4 Korean War, which he labeled a police action (continuing the War on Terror, anyone?)

5 Failed at true universal health care

6 Tried and failed to push through Universal Military Training (Obama with the mandatory universal service failed as well)

7 Supported enthusiastically the creation of the CIA (enough said there).

8 NATO created with his support, which performed (Opertion Gladio) terrible false-flag terror acts here in the EU for years, killing hundreds. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

9 Supported National Security Council Resolution NSC-68 in 1948 (it was classified till 1975), which declared, "a defeat of free institutions anywhere is a defeat everywhere." thus completing redefining American geo-political strategy into a global empire.NSC-48 called for an immediate 300 to 400% increase in military spending, thus military Keynesianism was permanently entrenched.

10 Decimated Article 1, section 8 of the U.S. Constitution (the power of waging war rests solely in Congress) by usurping that power when he stated formally - "The president, as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, has full control over the use thereof."

11 Tried to draft striking railroad workers in the US Army. Only the unlikely alliance of old-right Senator Robert Taft of Ohio and left liberal Claude Pepper of Florida stopped this.

12 Executive Order 10340, where Truman tried to have the US Army seize the steel mills of the USA to stop a national strike by the unions. Defeated by the US Supreme Court in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer.

13 Supported the UN ramming through of the partition of Palestine, and the creation of Israel, despite privately writing to Eleanor Roosevelt "I fear very much that the Jews are like all underdogs. When they get on top, they are just as intolerant and as cruel as the people were to them when they were underneath. I regret this situation very much, because my sympathy has always been on their side."

14 Issued Executive Order 9835 which, in 1947, set up loyalty boards to investigate espionage among federal employees.

15 "THE BUCK STOPS HERE", still waiting on Obama for this one.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 11:45 PM
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10. You miss the point... the topic was Dem Presidents who could handle
combative, obstructive to the point of near treason, Republican opposition. Truman fits.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 01:08 AM
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12. Truman is on "one of the best U.S. Presidents ever" list of most honest experts.
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 01:15 AM by No Elephants
Truman also integrated the military, among many other good things.

Every Presidential administration is a very mixed bag.

For just one example, besides Truman, LBJ gave us the Civil Rights Act of 1964, against his fellow Southern Democrats, among others, and also Great Society legislation, but also escalated greatly in Vietnam.

Even many of the the things on your list "against" Truman are a mixed bag. For example, it was the also great FDR who had the bomb developed, not Truman, whom FDR had excluded from almost all information about everything, including the bomb, even though we were at war and FDR knew he was in poor health.

Like everyone else, Presidents are a product of their era and individual situations, like suddenly having to take over a nation in the midst of a huge war.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 04:23 AM
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17. experts are 'honest' because they agree on a point with you? that is a logical fallacy
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 04:26 AM by stockholmer
Truman was a small man compared to FDR, IMHO. He did much more harm (indeed long-lasting harm) than good, and was a mass-murderer due to his unnecessarily dropping of those two atomic bombs. Regardless of who developed them, Truman pulled the trigger, knowing full well he did not have to.


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Atomic Bombs: Race Hatred and Mass Murder

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x190913

Atomic Bombs: Race Hatred and Mass Murder
by Mike (in Tokyo) Rogers

Dropping the atomic bombs on Japan were acts of race hatred against "Japs." They were heinous war crimes; unwarranted and premeditated mass murder on a populace that was 95% civilian – of course the vast majority were women and children. The bombs were completely unnecessary to bring about a Japanese surrender and then US President Harry S. Truman knew it. The atomic bombs did not save one million lives.

<snip>

On July 26, 1945, the Proclamation Defining Terms for Japanese Surrender otherwise known as the Potsdam Declaration was issued. Article 13 of that declaration plainly states: "We call upon the government of Japan to proclaim now the unconditional surrender of all Japanese armed forces, and to provide proper and adequate assurances of their good faith in such action. The alternative for Japan is prompt and utter destruction."

<snip>

On top of that, further evidence shows that President Truman, along with his top advisers, had all agreed that Japan was trying to surrender at least three days before the first atomic bomb was dropped but feared that Japan might surrender to the Russians. Proof of this can be found in the diary of Walter Brown, assistant to Secretary of State James F. Byrnes. In his entry of August 3, 1945 it is written that the President, Byrnes, and Admiral William D. Leahy, Chief of Staff to the President: "agreed Japs looking for peace. (Leahy had another report from Pacific) President afraid they will sue for peace through Russia instead of some country like Sweden." (See p. 415, Chapter 33)

Further proof that Truman ordered the atomic bombings of Japan not for the stated reason of bringing about a Japanese surrender and saving one million American lives, but to frighten the Soviets out of Eastern Europe, and to keep them from expanding influence in Asia, comes from Manhattan Project scientist Leo Szilard. Szilard met with US Secretary of State James Byrnes on May 28, 1945. Byrnes was Truman’s most trusted advisor and the only cabinet member who was present at Yalta.

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We Shouldn't Have Bombed Hiroshima

http://www.spectacle.org/696/hiroshi.html

Sitting at Harry Truman's desk, behind the sign which said, "The buck stops here," one would be hard put not to use a major, curious new weapon, against people who had murdered civilians and prisoners of war. Having made the decision, he is shrouded in, and protected by, history; it was done, the war ended, and almost no-one cried out; it was done, so it was rightly done. But, if you take a step back, and examine the events of 1945, you learn a few things:


The Japanese had already asked the Russians to intercede for them and had indicated they would surrender if allowed to keep their emperor. We proceeded to drop the bomb while calling for unconditional surrender; immediately afterwards, we made peace on terms allowing them to keep their emperor.

It is hard to know, of the many causes men allege, which are their real motives, which are subsidiary, which are trivial or meaningless. But there were people who said at the time that the bomb would send an assertive signal to the Russians.

The selection of Hiroshima was made because the city had not been bombed, and we would learn more about the effects of an atomic bomb upon a virgin city.

There was profound racism against the Japanese, and one wonders if we would ever, under equivalent circumstances, been able to bring ourselves to use the bomb against the Germans.

The idea of dropping a demonstration bomb, or of dropping the bomb upon a large uninhabited area, was considered but rejected. The fear was that a pre-announced bomb might lead the Japanese to move POW's to the site (which they might have done), while a dud under those circumstances would have been a huge embarassment. But no-one has definitively explained why the bomb had to be dropped on a place of little strategic significance, inhabited mostly by civilians.

The second device was dropped on Nagasaki only days afterward, before the Japanese even had assimilated what had happened at Hiroshima. They certainly would have surrendered without the necessity of a second bomb.

The estimate that the invasion of Japan would have cost us a million casualties is ludicrous and not based on anything. The studies done at the time and presented to the president showed that the soldiers killed would have been about 5% of that number. The fact that the Japanese were already trying to surrender when we dropped the bomb--and that we ultimately gave them the terms we first refused--makes the allegation that we would have had to invade Japan particularly ridiculous.

There were even those who believed, in a tortuous example of one extreme of bomb thinking, that we must drop the bomb to show the world how horrible it is, so that we may never drop the bomb again.


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Excerpted from "Harry S. Truman: Advancing the Revolution," in Reassessing the Presidency: The Rise of the Executive State and the Decline of Freedom, John Denson, ed. :

http://www.e-booksdirectory.com/details.php?ebook=1812

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Thus, the rationale for the atomic bombings has come to rest on a single colossal fabrication, which has gained surprising currency — that they were necessary in order to save a half-million or more American lives. These, supposedly, are the lives that would have been lost in the planned invasion of Kyushu in December, then in the all-out invasion of Honshu the next year, if that had been needed. But the worst-case scenario for a full-scale invasion of the Japanese home islands was forty-six thousand American lives lost.<7> The ridiculously inflated figure of a half-million for the potential death toll — nearly twice the total of US dead in all theaters in the Second World War — is now routinely repeated in high-school and college textbooks and bandied about by ignorant commentators. Unsurprisingly the prize for sheer fatuousness on this score goes to President George H.W. Bush, who claimed in 1991 that dropping the bomb "spared millions of American lives."<8>

Still, Truman's multiple deceptions and self-deceptions are understandable, considering the horror he unleashed. It is equally understandable that the US occupation authorities censored reports from the shattered cities and did not permit films and photographs of the thousands of corpses and the frightfully mutilated survivors to reach the public.<9> Otherwise, Americans — and the rest of the world — might have drawn disturbing comparisons to scenes then coming to light from the Nazi concentration camps.

The bombings were condemned as barbaric and unnecessary by high American military officers, including Eisenhower and MacArthur.<10> The view of Admiral William D. Leahy, Truman's own chief of staff, was typical:

the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. … My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make wars in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.<11>

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Leo Szilard was the world-renowned physicist who drafted the original letter to Roosevelt that Einstein signed, instigating the Manhattan Project. In 1960, shortly before his death, Szilard stated another obvious truth:

If the Germans had dropped atomic bombs on cities instead of us, we would have defined the dropping of atomic bombs on cities as a war crime, and we would have sentenced the Germans who were guilty of this crime to death at Nuremberg and hanged them.<23>

The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was a war crime worse than any that Japanese generals were executed for in Tokyo and Manila. If Harry Truman was not a war criminal, then no one ever was.



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Also see Barton J. Bernstein, "A Post-War Myth: 500,000 US Lives Saved," Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

http://alsos.wlu.edu/information.aspx?id=1153
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:14 AM
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21. Not really. Truman was before my time. My only opinions of him came from experts to begin with..
By "honest" experts, I meant simply those who, unlike someone like a Joe Scarborough, would not leave a Democratic President off a list simply because his is a Democrat and they are Republicans.

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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 10:36 AM
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29. I see what you mean,but I completely distance myself from the false left-right paradigm that is US
politics. At their core, both parties are all about a continuity of agenda, with bitter partisanship over issues that the systemic controllers know will rip the country asunder at explosive touch-points used as modern day 'bread and circuses' to divert attention through rages at the shallows.

The truly large, meta-narratives all remain the same in their ever-increasing trajectories, no matter if control is under Democratic or Republican whip-hands. These overarching, utterly poisonous distortions include (but are certainly not limited to) empiric wars, destruction of civil liberty constitutional protections, debasement of the currency, entrenchment of the police/surveillance state, de-industrialization of the nation via the 'absolute-advantage' model of free trade (as opposed to the 'comparative advantage' model), the rise of the banking fiends into unheard of positions of unchecked power, and turning the citizens in chattel debt slaves through both public and private explosions in borrowing.


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"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can "throw the rascals out" at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy."

- Carrol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope (1966)
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 08:46 AM
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27. "Unnecessary"? BULLSHIT.
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 08:47 AM by aquart
Here's a rule: Anyone who starts a war doesn't get a say in how it ends.
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stockholmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 10:11 AM
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28. your rule is true, but that doesnt make the mass murder via a-bomb by the US any less true
Following your logic, the USA could have exterminated every single German man, woman, and child, simply because Germany started the aggression of WW2.

And yes, BULLSHIT is a great word for what Truman did.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 01:02 AM
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11. FDR was not only elected 4 times himself, but also gave Congress to Democrats for decades.
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pearl303 Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 01:56 PM
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35. Elected 4 times
All well and good. However, FDR was of a different hue.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 10:30 PM
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4. To hear White House aides tell it, President Obama
has never capitulated to the Republicans.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-01-11 11:00 PM
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7. That's because "White House aides"
are the ones telling him to capitulate.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 01:21 AM
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16. I believe that's almost 100% true. I believe Obama wanted most of things we prefer to think he
Edited on Fri Sep-02-11 01:31 AM by No Elephants
"caved" on.

This is a man who knew he would take over the White House in the middle of three wars (Iraq, Aghanistan and WOT, which covers only God know what) and a worldwide economic crisis.

Yet, on being elected, he appointed a Republican Secretary of War, er, Defense and a Republican Secretary of Treasury and soon re-appointed Bush's Republican Fed Head. And appointed Rahm Chief of Staff. Not to mention the rest of his administration is full of DLCers and former Bushbots.

Do we really think he made those appointments because he thinks Republicans and DLCers have been wrong about wars and the economy?

For example, what do you think Geithner, Bernanke, Goolsbee (a former DLC employee) and the rest of Obama's economic advisors said to him about raising taxes on ANYone last December while we were still in the depths of a very bad economic situation?

IMO, it is too bad that he got only one extension of unemployment benefits from the Republicans for that. I think he could have gotten more. But, maybe they saw better than we did that he was doing what he wanted to do AND getting to blame an unpopular move (and broken campaign promise) on Republicans and were not about to give him very much.

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mazzarro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 07:00 AM
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24. Think you are right -- +100% -- n/t
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 01:08 AM
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13. spelunker in chief. nt
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alltherage Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 05:41 AM
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19. Image Is Everything
no matter how Obama co. wants to write this off.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 06:20 AM
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22. "Image is everything?" Damn! I've been holding folks up to the wrong yardstick all my life
Kidding aside: Abe Lincoln supposedly cared a great deal about what a photo he had taken in NYC looked like.

The photographer had him pull his collar up and Abe supposedly understood right away that the photog wanted to hide his long, skinny neck and prominent Adam's apple and commended the guy.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-02-11 01:05 PM
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32. Get real: This whole speech thing is now a fiasco
Obama should have done his speech on the economy the same day he told the repugs and the country that he would not cave in to any demands for spending and tax cuts, and would instead raise the debt ceiling using the 14th amendment and mount his economic program, which would include x, y and z.

That's what he should have done. Instead:

- he caved into on the debt ceiling and agreed to future spending and tax cuts;

- he then announced that he would be doing a really, really, really, really important economic speech a month down the road, and that in the meantime, everyone should talk amongst themselves

- he then announced that his speech would be on Wednesday, which was stupid because it conflicted with the GOP debate and they had the hammer on this;

- he then announced that his speech would be on just before the football game on Thursday.

In consequence, he will read his speech to an otherwise preoccupied television audience and it will slip into the ether as no-one pays a lot of attention. Ina week no-one will remember anything about it, other than what the GOP and their media shills tell them.

Yes, I do blame Obama and his amateur-hour advisers for this ridiculous fiasco.
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37. cough *bullshit* cough!
...such bull...seems his spine fell out his ass sometime ago. He sure as
hell can't find it now.
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