Sagging-pants Green Day singer kicked off plane

[alp227]

Source: San Francisco Chronicle

(09-02) 16:42 PDT OAKLAND -- Southwest Airlines to Green Day frontman Billie Joe Armstrong: You dress like an American idiot.

According to a message sent from the East Bay punk rocker's Twitter account, a Southwest employee ordered Armstrong, 39, removed from an airplane at Oakland International Airport because his drawers were drooping.

"Just got kicked off a southwest flight because my pants sagged too low! What the f- ? No joke!" said the message, posted late Thursday.

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The saggy pants saga echoed the troubles of Deshon Marman, a University of New Mexico student from San Francisco who was asked to pull up his pajama bottoms as he boarded a US Airways flight at San Francisco International in June.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/09/02/BAON1KVNKS.DTL

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Then what about the cross-dressing man revealing his midriff who was allowed on a plane?

[TwilightGardener]

1. He's only two years younger than me. Too old for the saggy pants look, dude.

[Arctic Dave]

3. Old is mostly a state of mind.

I see yellng at kids to get off your lawn in your future. :P

[TwilightGardener]

8. LOL!

[MADem]

10. There comes a point in time when age cannot be denied.

It has nothing to do with being "young at heart."

You can feel sixteen inside, but if, at a certain point in life, you dress like you're sixteen, you look like....what's the word? An idiot!!! That's it!

With age comes wisdom for most people. There's nothing wrong with dressing your age, especially nowadays, when there are so many "timeless/ageless" options available. It doesn't mean that you have to be proprietary about your lawn as a consequence.

It's more comfortable, too, to dress your age--youthful fashions are not made for the bodies of most older people. When you don't dress like a pre-teen or teen, you aren't looked at like you have early onset Altzheimer's or some other mental disorder affecting your judgment, and you also avoid looking like a pedophile trying to pick up young kids. The police are much less likely to find a reason to bother you, too, when you eschew the faddish, immature stylings of children.

[Arctic Dave]

16. I just went climbing up Mt Rainier with a guy who is seventy-three.

He would probably laugh at you.

If being a conformist is your way to happiness I won't stop you. Enjoy your WOF and reruns of Andy Griffith shows. ;)

[MADem]

22. Wow, those are some seriously bitter, biased, rigid and angry comments!

Look at how you're stereotyping me, based solely on my personal feeling that when adults dress like teen-agers, they look like total jerks with maturity issues. That's not about being a conformist, it's just about not looking like an ass.

Was your seventy three year old pal wearing his pants on the ground? Showing some crack? A backwards hat? A thug shirt and some bling? Neck tattoo?

Or was he wearing jeans or chinos, maybe some comfortable hiking boots, an all purpose jacket, sensible hat that shielded him from the sun, and a comfortable shirt that wicked perspiration from his core?

I don't think your pal would laugh at me. I think we'd have plenty in common. I get along with most people I meet.

You don't have to wear the codger uniform of a black suit, white starched shirt, old man drawers and tee shirt, cane and black wingtips nowadays once you hit a certain age. Older people have much more freedom to dress comfortably, but not look like they raided their grandchildren's closet.

You do know that was kind of a lame thing to say, I hope, getting all discriminatory and ageist on me by trying to hurt my feelings with Andy, Opie, Barney and Ant Bee!!! I just can't muster up any reaction save amusement to that attempt at insult, though. Ewww, you're OLD!! You just MIGHT watch OLD TEE VEE SHOWS!!


I have to wonder if I touched a nerve with you, to elicit such an angry and rather PERSONAL reaction. I mean, really! You'd think I was talking about...YOU!

Perhaps that shoe fits a bit too well?

If the hair is grey, put the big pants away--unless they are the kind that include a belt, and are cut with a comfortable rise, owing to low hanging gear (a consequence of aging; ask LBJ's ghost).

Have fun on that mountain! Pull up those pants, now!

[Arctic Dave]

27. Contradiction. Here is a sample.

"biased, rigid and angry comments!"

"when adults dress like teen-agers, they look like total jerks with maturity issues"

No nerves touched, just thought it was funny pointing your glaring contradiction. I guess I don't let myself dictate how people should dress or act becuase of "ageism".

[MADem]

28. Read more carefully.

I said that was my PERSONAL opinion.

You responded by throwing shit at me about what you imagined my tee vee habits were, and suggesting that your geezer buddy wouldn't like me.

I didn't make it about YOU (and all I did was ASK if I touched a nerve, based on your unreasonably angry retort --because you didn't like my PERSONAL opinion), until you made it about ME.

See?

I never said you can't do what you want, down to dressing like a thirteen year old, but I reserve the right to chuckle at you if you look like an old dude who got lost on the way to his room and ended up in his grandson's closet by mistake.

[Arctic Dave]

30. I didn't say he wouldn't like you, I said he would laugh at you becuase of

your rigid view of how people should act.

The TV viewing was a slight though. :P

[MADem]

31. I never said people should act a particular way, I just said they'd look like

jerks, to my eye and others, as well, if they dressed like thirteen year old kids when they're adults. The older they get, the worse it looks. No law against it, though. Foolishness is entirely legal in the USA!

It's just my opinion. I have a right to it. You aren't required to conform to it--I am not the fashion police.

Clothes make the man--and the woman, as well. What you wear is a silent conversation with those around you. You don't have to dress in absurdly expensive clothes, but if you affect childish fads or fashions, you shouldn't be surprised if you're treated like a child, or, if the look is sufficiently incongruous, like someone with mental issues who, because of developmental delay and lack of maturity, are more comfortable affecting childish garb.

Your old buddy doesn't dress like a thirteen year old, I'm betting. Can't climb mountains with your pants on the ground!

[Arctic Dave]

55. Again with the contradictions. :) nt

[MADem]

57. Really, no--I can hold a thought in my head about a personal POV, but not

demand that you or anyone else hold the same POV.

For example: I dislike beets. I really do. I find them disgusting in taste/texture. There is nothing you can do/say to change my mind on that score.

That said, I do not demand that beets be outlawed or that you or anyone else not eat them. Eat away! I may turn up my nose in disgust, indeed, horror-- but you're free to chow down all the live long day.

See--not a contradiction. A personally held point of view, applicable to me, myself and I, is all....

[U4ikLefty]

76. You really should have kept that close-minded POV to yourself.

beets...are you fucking kidding me?!?

[MADem]

78. Well, that's your opinion and you have every right to it. My mileage varies.

This "is" a "discussion board," you do know...?

The object of the game here is to DISCUSS, not join hands and belt out a "ME, TOO" chorus.

I don't have a problem with my personal POV, and if you don't like it, you don't have to subscribe.

Have one of those nice days, now~~! And don't let those pants hit the ground!

[Webster Green]

90. Beets rule.

:wtf:

[polly7]

111. Ahhh, the good old days, when conformity was so attractive!

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

37. Maybe this is his climbing buddy.

67 year old Michael Jeffries, Chief Executive Officer of Abercrombie & Fitch.

I have actually seen this individual in person, just try keeping a straight face.

[MADem]

38. Is that hair "natural" or does he get it dyed? I've never seen that pattern in nature...

The flip flops are a 'look,' I guess (the "Let me borrow my wife's flipflops" look?), and do you suppose he bought those bellbottoms during the Nixon administration!!

I suppose he can be proud that he still fits into them! Or are they a part of his kid's clothing line?

Spray tan?

He kind of reminds me of the Fonzie guys you'd see in the early seventies--BEFORE "Happy Days." They still had the jackets, the fence climber shoes, the pegged pants, and the DA hairdo, all greased and ready to kick ass! They just didn't want to say goodbye to their childhood styles.

I googled him and had a closer look at the guy...the hair IS dyed, and that can't be his natural appearance (if so he's to be pitied, money can't buy everything)--he looks like the victim of some ghastly plastic surgeon, too.

Ick. I suppose he laughs all the way to the bank, but hopefully he doesn't have to deal with too many mirrors on his way--he just might scare himself!

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

39. His appearance changes based on botox

You can tell he is nearby by the stampede of shrieking college age girls running for dear life.

[MADem]

42. Some of his pics look a bit like that crazy lion lady with the extreme plastic surgery.

I suppose those college girls are fortunate to be young and fit, the faster to make their escape!

[No Elephants]

48. To think, A&F just offered the Jersey Shore's "Situation" money NOT to wear their clothes because

HE didn't fit their profile.




Of course, it was really about the publicity, but that's what they said.

[MADem]

56. You know, that crossed my mind as well!!! nt

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

69. Nah, whatever his age he is probably "nordic" enough for A&F

[No Elephants]

46. I wish I knew how to spell "injectibles."

Somehow, white men end up looking like older Polynesian women.

Not that there's anything wrong with older Polynesian women. I'm just not sure that's the look he was going for, though,

[MADem]

58. Ha ha ha ha!!!

You're exactly right!

[snooper2]

102. I'd find it hard not to laugh to if I saw somebody whos' face was made out of

Play-Doh :rofl:

[Threedifferentones]

83. So what are ya'll discussing?

Whether he looks like a fool, or whether he should be allowed to do so on a plane? I say yes and yes.

My guess is he continues to dress that way 'cause it's making him millions of dollars. If he dresses as you suggest, will kids still buy his music? He may look stupid, but I'd embarrass myself much more for a rockstar's paycheck.

[MikeW]

108. when we are talking about attire and age

Some people need to learn ... Just say NO.

[krabigirl]

62. 39 is not very old. People are living longer anyway.

[MADem]

79. Oh, certainly--I'd be happy to be 39 again, if it were possible~!

And people will say things like "Forty is the new thirty" and "fifty is the new forty." It's human nature to fear the reaper and try to stay relevant for as long as possible, and science and medicine are doing a good job in allowing us to maximize our time on this mortal coil.

That said, I wouldn't dress like a teen ager if I did find the fountain of youth.

I mean, really--why make it painfully apparent to everyone around you that your clothing is too immature for your age and stage of life?

You can dress (and act) your age or less without being some kind of "get off my lawn" geezer stereotype. I do think that trying to affect the styles of the very young looks, well, pathetic. One might as well grab a sharpie and write "INSECURE" on one's forehead.

I will repeat what I've said elsewhere, though--it's a free country. If people want to put on the silly looking, now totally out of fashion "thug" clothing, they're more than welcome to do so. I'll try not to laugh out loud, but they will be giving me a chuckle if they cross my path.

[Hardrada]

100. And twenty is the new ten. Which would explain a lot!

[notGaryOldman]

35. Hey! I already do that!

And I don't even HAVE a lawn! :rofl:

[Safetykitten]

47. Maybe so, buy his ass is old.

[MH1]

21. anything older than 5 is too old for the saggy pants look.

I have trouble avoiding laughing in the face of 'adults' I sometimes see on the subway with their drawers halfway to their knees. I have to look away if they start to try to walk or I really lose it.

[MADem]

2. I wouldn't want to look at his nasty asscrack, either.

People don't have the right to smear their feces-laden cracks on the chairs of public accomodations. Pull up your trousers, you look like an idiot!!!

Doesn't this bozo know that the kids are all wearing the skinny jeans now? Only the out-of-it geezers are still wearing the prison b-word pants. This poor fool is like a guy dressed like Fonzie....at Woodstock!!!

Sucks to get old and not keep up with what the kids are doing! Especially if you make your money off those little suckahs! The guy better get with what's stylin' or be left "behind"--pun intended.

As for the midriff, it's not a feces-laden asscrack, is what I'm guessing.

[sethgrogen]

5. lmao!!!

[Arctic Dave]

6. I take it you're not a wiper.

You forgot to to add, "back in my day". LOL








Geezer rage strikes again.

[MADem]

13. I don't have a challenge on that score, but I doubt everyone

is as fastidious as I am. If this guy had a servant to wipe his ass, he'd probably have a stylist too, who wouldn't dress him in has-been clothing that went out of style everywhere but the Behind-the-Times 'burbs.

It ain't a geezer rage thing, it's a "That guy looks like an idiot" thing.

You don't want to be "that guy" at the club, way too old for the crowd. It's ... pathetic. It's even more pathetic when "that guy" doesn't have the common sense and intuition to realize that he's getting the "Ewww-creepy" vibe from the youngsters on the dance floor, and the only ones who come around will let him buy them a drink, and then slink off at the earliest moment possible.

Peter Pan was not a happy guy, really. You do need, at some point in time, to grow up.

[Papagoose]

9. I must have missed the "feces-laden asscrack" part of the article

Sounds like someone at an airline got a little full of their authority. Who cares if someone's pants are baggy. I think it looks stupid to have baggy, droopy pants, so I pull mine up. If someone else wears theirs low, I barely notice.

I seriously don't think this had anything to do with a public health issue.

[MADem]

14. Who the hell at the airlines have time, these days?

The flights take off with FAA MINIMUM crews. They've taken more than their fair share of pay cuts. The gate agents do double duty. It's not a "Come Fly With Me" culture--it's more like Greyhound with wings.

More likely, a passenger complained.

[ElboRuum]

20. Greyhound with wings, indeed...

Seems obvious when a certain French aircraft manufacturer decided to disavow itself of all pretense, going by the name Airbus.

[Vanje]

92. "Doesn't this bozo know that the kids are all wearing the skinny jeans now?"

Uh. yeeahh. Probably so.

Billie Joe Armstrong started that trend about a decade before you ever noticed it.


Billie Joe is still stylin!

[DJ13]

4. Did he consider pulling his pants up instead of making a scene?

[MissMillie]

72. this is a reasonable response

And no, I don't think the airline was in the right, but some things are just not worth the battle. Haven't heard much from Green Day lately. Can't help but wonder if Armstrong is thinking that "there's no such thing as bad press"

[blogslut]

77. They're doing just fine

"American Idiot" opened as a musical on Broadway in 2010. During its run, it won a number of awards, has grossed 39 million dollars. In December the show will begin a national tour and Tom Hanks' production company along with Universal Pictures are in negotiations for a film version with a 2013 release date.

[Zephie]

7. Aww, I like Green Day but I just lost a lot of respect for them

Sagging pants are super gross. :(

[Papagoose]

11. You lost respect for a band becausse a guy wore saggy pants?

A little intolerant maybe?

[SpiralHawk]

50. It's called "Butt Cheek Gross Out Syndrome"

You must have immunity...

[Papagoose]

70. Depends on what the butt cheek looks like.

[Vanje]

93. Billie Joe's Butt Cheeks

Then:


Now:

[flpab]

17. the way people dress on planes :)

I work at an airport and we so wish we could take pictures. i had a teenager walk in front of me with shorts on that said "it ain't gonna lick itself" the gate agent made her put a shirt on to cover them. Dumb arses with political shirts on that would have gotten you arrested if Bush was President. Pajama bottoms, see them all the time and very little clothing on some that really should cover up their bodies. We use to say lycra was a privilege not a right. I have seen enough thongs, butt cracks and baggy pants for a lifetime. Those skinny jeans are not to be worn by every body type...

[MADem]

23. You poor soul...it's not enough to endure the pay cuts, you have to

endure the grape smugglers as well!

Oh, the HUMANITY!!

You should start a website along the lines of "People of Walmart." You'd probably get a plethora of contributions. In my travels, I've seen some costumes on planes I have found pretty astounding, as well.

[bluevoter4life]

44. I work at an airport too

And we have this inside joke where we would walk around with our hand raised if we see someone who may have missed the mirror on the way to their flight. The airline I work for doesn't exactly have the upscale clientele so you can imagine we see some interesting ummm, fashions. Oh, and one of our agents DOES take pictures. Several every night.

[krabigirl]

65. Wow, are you proud of your boot-licking ways? Disgusting.

[krabigirl]

64. Seriously? Lmao.

[Orrex]

12. He should have been kicked off of the plane for making tons of shitty music

[MADem]

15. Ha ha ha ha!!! nt

[toddwv]

18. Looks like Southwest has a history of enforcing a dress code.

"Southwest Airlines was involved in another high-profile fashion call in 2007, when an airline employee in San Diego told a 23-year-old woman wearing a scoop-neck shirt to get off a plane because she was showing too much skin."



“He told me, ‘I’m sorry, but you’re going to have to take a later flight. You’re dressed inappropriately. This is a family airline. You’re dressed too provocative to fly on this flight,’ ” she told Lauer.

Today show
Kyla Ebbert models the outfit she wore on the Southwest flight Friday on TODAY.
“I said, ‘What part of it, the shirt, the skirt? Which part?’ “ Ebbert continued, recounting her conversation with Keith about her outfit. “And he said, ‘The whole thing.’“ I said, ‘I didn’t bring any luggage with me. I don’t have anything to change into. What can I do to make sure I can get onto that flight?’ I had a doctor’s appointment. I had to be there.”

“He said ‘You can go to the gift shop and you can buy something to wear there. Until then, you’re not flying on this flight,’ ” Ebbert said.

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/20638479/ns/today-today_people/t/thrown-plane-outfit-deemed-too-skimpy/#.TmGEsWrQP-c

[Skittles]

24. LOL, you mean THIS stupid wench?

http://www.nationalledger.com/pop-culture-news/kyla-ebbert-oops-a-britney-sp-116618.shtml

[MADem]

26. OMG, so she left her 'pants on the ground'...at home, then? NT

[polly7]

52. Ok, I don't get what she was wearing that was so bad. ?? nt.

[Skittles]

73. when she wore the same outfit on a news interview

she flashed herself - come on, how hard is it to keep your undergarments private?

[polly7]

74. I'm not sure how much flashing you can do sitting crowded in a small seat on a plane ...

but seriously ....... people need to get a life.

[Javaman]

19. Off a SW flight? LOL

here is a joke from a friend who works for SW. what has 6 legs and 4 teeth? the first 3 seats in coach.

I find it really hard they threw him off because his pants were baggy.

My friend worked the flight from Vegas to L.A. The things she would tell me makes baggy pants look light high fashion.

[Skittles]

25. how hard is it to keep your pants on in public

come on, it's just common sense

[Taverner]

29. As long as your ass isn't showing, your appearance dude

I have no problem with "saggy pants" or anything as long as the ass is not showing

[sense]

33. pbs

Found this interesting little tidbit:


To all you guys who "sag" your pants and show your butt and underwear....did you know it originated in prison? It was a signal to the other MEN that you are "available". So if you wanna keep going around looking like your "available" for another dude to "tap that"... then keep thinking your cool while I think you look like a Fool!!! BTW they call it PBS (Prison Bitch Syndrome) :)

[polly7]

75. And low, or tight tops on females have always meant ..... naturally, she's asking

for rape. Doesn't even have to be in prison, that's just how it is. See how stupid these things sound?

[MADem]

80. I don't think that is the case.

That said, if a young lady is interested in attracting a paramour, she might affect that sort of garb, and maybe a short skirt for good measure. She's not going to head for the nightclub wearing a nun's outfit.

Sexual signalling using clothing happens every day and all the time--and it's not just women who do it, men do it as well. The fashion industry is built around that very premise.

If that sort of thing weren't commonplace, we'd all be wearing thobes.

[polly7]

86. Or, she just might want to wear what makes 'her' feel good, and not

give a damn what anyone else thinks.

[MADem]

98. Most garments of that sort are not terribly comfortable

If one really wants to feel GOOD, removing all cultural restrictions, a simple thobe probably would be the most comfortable garment for either gender. It's as close to being nekkid without having to deal with the effects of sun or thorns--a bit of protection without constriction.

If a woman is going to wear low cut this and high cut that and six inch shoes, she's not comfortable. She may say she is, but she's doing it because she wishes to present herself as fertile and attractive. Same deal with the men in the girdle tee shirts and tight pants--they aren't comfortable, either, but they want to present themselves as virile.

Take away the sexual signalling, and we're all in Biblical robes. The fashion industry would be in despair, because that's how they make their living.

[polly7]

99. Oh give me a fricking break.

How the hell would you know what anyone else finds comfortable?

You're big on the sexual signalling thing ......... it seems to be a larger problem for you than 99.9% of the people I know who couldn't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks they're 'asking for' when they dress as they please, myself included.

[MADem]

105. You are denying the obvious--and making it seem like it's a bad thing too

Humans are hardwired towards this sort of behavior, and our culture reinforces it. They teach first year college classes on the subject, it sure as hell isn't a big secret--except perhaps to you apparently.

Why you find it upsetting that I point it out is your issue, not mine.

The plain fact is, any comfort a person feels from pinching, wobbly shoes or restrictive garments is psychological, not physical.

There's nothing "wrong" with that, either. Stop being so damn defensive.

[polly7]

106. Yes, I'm denying what 'you' say is obvious.

"If a woman is going to wear low cut this and high cut that and six inch shoes, she's not comfortable. She may say she is, but she's doing it because she wishes to present herself as fertile and attractive. Same deal with the men in the girdle tee shirts and tight pants--they aren't comfortable, either, but they want to present themselves as virile."


I'm quite comfortable in low tops and high shorts ......... I actually hate wearing too many clothes, the less, the better. High shoes, not a problem, and I don't know a single woman who wears them all the time. I wear mine because they make my outfit look better ...... which makes me feel better. So, this issue is 'yours'. Stop being so damn offensive. Not all women dress the way they do to attract attention. Some ....... like me, don't give a crap what you or anyone else thinks.

[MADem]

109. You didn't want to selectively quote the bit about physical and psychological

comfort, I see--wouldn't have worked for your assertion. I never denied that constricted clothing makes some people feel more psychologically comfortable--in fact, I pointed that very thing out to you. In the country of the blind, though, no one would be wearing that crap.

Your high shoes make your outfit "look better" because you are trying to create an image of cultural attractiveness that includes a longer leg, and you DO care what people think about how you look, otherwise the shoes wouldn't matter, now, would they? See, short, stumpy legs aren't considered attractive in this culture.

I think your anger at me is kind of interesting. I am not making this shit up--social scientists have been studying this kind of thing for decades, in a very nuanced way. Here is a recent study on this very issue that parses the "attractiveness" issue and distinguishes it from the "she's asking for it" assertions--this is from those sexist bastards at the Journal of International Women's Studies, and they're saying pretty much what I have said throughout this thread--it's a scholarly piece, a bit dull in parts, but worth a read from start to finish:

http://www.bridgew.us/SoAS/jiws/May10/Avigail.pdf

[polly7]

110. I have absolutely no anger towards you. But ......... does that fit your

assertion?

People wear clothes for their own reasons. What you find attractive or unattractive may be completely different than what a billion other people do.

You know nothing of why I or the woman on the plane or anyone else wears what they do. Linking it all to wanting to be seen as attractive is shallow ............. jmo. :)

[MADem]

112. You didn't read the document, I see.

Students of human behavior have looked at this topic for years and reams have been written about it--they actually DO know why people dress the way they do.

Have a nice day!!!

[sense]

88. no, quite different.

[SomeGuyInEagan]

32. Southwest can''t learn ... celebraties who twitter are hands-off

Look at what happened when they kicked Kevin Smith off a plane. They are still dealing with the bad publicity.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

34. Southwest Airlines really needs to trade on this,

It reminds me of this ad:

[BNJMN]

36. I will follow this story.

[SoapBox]

40. Hope he makes a video to poke at Southwest

...ya, it's the style that just won't die BUT would love to see the nit-wit that made
the decision.

Stupidity abounds in the airline business.

[MilesColtrane]

41. Rock Star enough to flaunt his ass crack in public, but not...

Rock Star enough to be flying charter?

Next up for Billie Joe: the Where-are-they-now-files and State Fair shows

[MADem]

43. And southwest doesn't have business class--it's pretty bare bones.

You can't gripe for forty nine bucks a leg or so, but it's hardly high flying. Greyhound, with wings....

He shoulda pulled up his pants.

[PaulaFarrell]

45. what an amzing amount of intolerance on this thread

if somebody has paid their fare and are dressed in a way that would not get them arrested in the airport, then how can they be thrown off the plane? does southwest have a dress code? if so, they need to make sure people are aware when they buy the ticket. as for other passengers complaining, i guess i thought i was stuck with whoever was on the plane, didn't realise i had a vote in the matter. if you don't want to see somebody's 'ass-crack', then simply don't look. all these commments remiond me of the 'dirty hippie' comments of the 60s/70s. so depressing.

[polly7]

53. Exactly.

I'm a people watcher, I love the differences and seeing people express themselves ..... especially those who dare to do what I wouldn't. For some reason, it just makes me feel good to see it. If it's not obscene, then wth is the problem?

[krabigirl]

63. I agree. This country is full of puritanical, fearful, judgmental conformists.

I don't give a rats ass what someone wears on a plane, but then again, I don't fly anymore, at least not within the us.

[Harmony Blue]

67. Thank you!

You are a breathe of fresh air rationality. Well said, and I am inclined to agree.

[christx30]

68. The other night

I had to take my wife into the emergency room to get something looked at. They lead us down the hallway with another guy in front of us and he had his pants down to where the main part of his butt was hanging out. It was disguesting and I really felt bad for the guy. He looks rediculous, to be honest. I can't imagine anyone giving him a job or taking him seriously. I could cleary see his underwear (briefs, in case you were wondering). I didn't want to look, but it's hard to miss. I don't understand the fashion or the people that think this is cool or whatever. I want to grab one of those guys and tell him to get a belt.

[Vanje]

95. Get a hair cut!

Also learn to spell 'ridiculous' .

[MADem]

81. You know, tolerance does not mean "Pretending to enjoy something you think is idiotic"

No one has said "Throw the idiot's ass off the plane" here--but then again, we don't know how much he was showing, either at the time he boarded the aircraft. We don't know if his hygiene was poor, either, and he was stinking up the small space with his butt hanging out. We don't know if he called attention to himself in another way, either, and the pants thing was just an "umbrella" excuse. Gerard Depardieu wasn't doing anything that would have got him "arrested in the airport" either, but once he got on the plane and starting peeing in the aisle, there was a problem.

We weren't there, so we don't know the details.

If you feel strongly about the action by Southwest, you're free to refuse to patronize them and to urge your friends to do the same.

People are expressing their opinion about the whole "pants on the ground" style, and they've a right to do so. You are free to disagree and even criticize the stylings of others, if you would like. That's not "intolerance," it is discussion.

Dress that way if you'd like, but don't be surprised if some people find that your fashion choice does not bring out your best qualities and take note of that in some way, either by expressions of amusement or disdain. It's a risk you take when you decide to be "fashion backward."

[Vanje]

94. Yep

Absolutely amazing

[legin]

103. Quality post PaulaFarrell n/t

.

[legin]

104. Also

I had a phase of my life where 2-4 times a day people would hurl abuse at me as I walked down the street.

This was just people in cars driving past.

This was not people in positions of semi-responsibility as is happening here. That changes the game totally.

[MikeW]

107. well ...

I dont know how low low was in this case but Ive seen some where the waistband is so low its below the ass cheeks and the only thing covering em up is underwear.

Thats FAR TOO LOW if that was the case in this case.

[florida08]

49. isn't it a bit juvenile to be reporting on a twitter reaction

about such a small thing? An airplane flight is not a stage. Apparently they have some regs about clothing. Abide by them or book private..but I couldn't even find any pics of him wearing his pants that way.

http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1T4ADBS_enUS219US220&q=billy%20joe%20armstrong&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1116&bih=671

[trumad]

51. I seriously had no idea

that DU had so many grumpy old fucks on it.

[young but wise]

87. +1

[Vanje]

96. Get off my lawn!

[LanternWaste]

101. About as many Hipper-Than-Thou folks I'd imagine.

"that DU had so many..."

About as many Hipper-Than-Thou folks I'd imagine.

[nuxvomica]

54. SW apologized and Billie Joe took the next flight

http://www.spinner.com/2011/09/03/billie-joe-armstrong-booted-from-flight-for-sagging-pants/

[MADem]

82. That article says he didn't get "kicked" off, but that he LEFT THE PLANE himself!!!

....The stalwart pop-punker was en route from Oakland to Burbank, Calif., when a flight attendant asked him to hike up his trousers. Local TV producer Cindy Qui witnessed the exchange and told Reuters that Armstrong didn't take kindly to the suggestion.

"Don't you have better things to do than worry about that?" Armstrong said, according to Qui.

While Southwest reportedly tried to rectify the situation, the singer opted to say 'Good Riddance' to the offending flight crew.

[Supply Side Jesus]

59. First Kevin Smith now Billie Joe, WTF SWA?! knock your shit off!

[hughee99]

60. Armstrong is Black?

If I remember the Marman discussions, a number of people felt this was just about race, and a white person would have had no issue with this.

[davsand]

61. Frankly, I'm WAY more interested in the airline checking baggage or cargo for bombs.

Some guy wearing baggy pants or some woman in a short skirt (btw, THAT particular outfit would probably pass a high school dress code in most places...) is far less worrisome to me than the idea that somebody maybe stuck a few pounds of Plastique in their checked luggage. Don't the airline folks have anything better to do than play fashion police?

I saw the word "family" used in the article, as in "family friendly" or "family appropriate" and I gotta admit that made my teeth go on edge. In my experience that is almost ALWAYS employed by some asshole trying to foist his/her opinion about life and lifestyle off on me and the rest of the world. I really don't enjoy some of the shit I see other people wearing, but it sure ain't my personal call--just like they don't get to come into my closet and offer comment on my taste. Acceptance of differences is supposed to be a big indicator between the "good guys" and the "bad guys" in the political spectrum, and I tend to fall pretty firmly in the camp that says you can wear what you choose as long as it doesn't violate local municipal code.

You'd THINK everybody would realize by now that you just can't mandate clothing sense. Gawd.




Laura

[mitsu]

66. doesn't any one want to talk

about people like rick perry and their own connections both private and public to companies
like south west. no earth shattering headlines, but if you dig around enough some pretty interesting
things to read, and maybe conclude.

[BNJMN]

71. I will follow this story until the end.

[octothorpe]

84. He flies Southwest airlines? I thought SWA was only for people who don't own refrigerators

or have phones.

[Tiggeroshii]

85. old habits die hard

definitely was the trend 15 years ago. not so much anymore...

[blogslut]

89. I don't think this was that trend

I think this was a matter of low-rise/skinny pants falling off a tiny fanny:

[and-justice-for-all]

91. That saggy pants shit is horrible...

no one wants to see your fucking underwear, so pull up your damn pants. Pajama bottoms?? really?

Why they kicked those two off those flights for their attire is beyond me, is it ridiculous to wear your pants like that? YES. Should people be kicked off planes for it? NO. The cross dressing man pic looks fake.

[lonestarnot]

97. How fucking stupid.