8 Reported Shot at Carson, NV IHOP

[villager]

Source: Nevada Appeal

Officers responding to shooting at Carson IHop



At least eight people have been shot by a suspect reportedly carrying a

semi-automatic weapon at the Carson City International House of Pancakes.

Details of the situation are still developing, but the suspect has been

reported as "down".

The shooting happened just before 9 a.m. At least four helicopters have been

called to the scene. Medical and law enforcement personnel are still

evaluating the scene.

Read more: http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20110906/NEWS/110909853/1100

[maxsolomon]

1. American amoklauf killings will never stop

and there's no place in public that's immune.

The sad facts.

May the victims know peace.

[MADem]

12. Killing people in public places isn't just an American thing

The methods may vary but the results are the same.

[maxsolomon]

19. no other country does it so frequently.

the easy access to guns, which some other nations do not have, MIGHT be a contributing factor.

[TheWraith]

27. Actually, it's not frequent here at all.

People PERCEIVE that it is, because you always hear about it. It's the same case with child abductions. Rare events that are instantly splashed on every single TV screen coast to coast, and vultured over by mass media. In reality, you're about one thousand times less likely to die in a mass murder than you are from getting in your car in the morning.

[whathehell]

29. No other one country in the western world has a population of over 300 million, AFAIK. n/t

[MADem]

38. Oh horseshit. Tell that to victims of bombers, from vest bombs to IRA/Chechnyans, etc.

When someone wants to kill a bunch of people, they'll find a way. If you really want to take people out, a gun is a slow way of accomplishing the job, relatively speaking-as the families of the PAN AM 103 victims will tell you.

You're safer in the US than you are in many parts of the world. Move to, say, Caracas if you don't believe me, then tell me how secure you feel.

Your mistake is equating the policies of individual states wrt gun sales with an American POV. That's a false paradigm. And the US isn't the only place where people can get a hold of guns easily --as we have seen lately. Look at that asshole in Norway--he didn't have any trouble, and he holds the top spot these days for sheer murder and mayhem.

It's not cool to make shit up.

[TheWraith]

42. Well put. Most countries our size actually have it much worse.

China, India, Russia, etcetera all have much worse incidences of mass murder, in both scope and frequency.

[maxsolomon]

53. actually, you're putting words in my mouth

equating chechnyan terror attacks with amoklauf shootings, which are not prompted by politics, but rather by alienation (columbine) and mental illness (loughner, this asshole probably), says more about your reasoning than mine.

other western nations, not all, DO have more restrictions on access to guns (for instance australia), and i said it MIGHT contribute. i didn't say it did, because i can't prove it - it's an OPINION.

i'll leave it to you to find the numbers of of amoklauf shootings in the US versus the rest of the western nations. average amoklauf DEATHS per shooting will put norway at the top, but i believe ours are more frequent and numerous, and, sadly, will never stop - the decision to allow the populace relatively unfettered access to guns is a fait accompli.

its amazing that DU will rise so vociferously and immediately in defense of firearms, when the ease of access and ease of use clearly contribute to most amoklauf incidents in this nation. knives, bats, chechynan suicide vests, etc. are not typically used in american incidents.

[AtheistCrusader]

58. Sorry, Columbine was not 'alienation', it was mental illness.

Klebold was a manic-depressive.
Harris was a clinical psychopath on Luvox.

The 'trenchcoat mafia' thing was stupid side-show distraction.

[hack89]

62. Here is a list of spree killings - it is a global phenomenon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

Here is a list of school killings - it too is a global phenomenon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers#School_massacres

[UnrepentantLiberal]

83. Okay, I give. What does amoklauf mean?

[X_Digger]

84. German version of 'running amok'. n/t

[MADem]

103. No, I am not--you are making false assumptions about "Americans" because

it suits your prejudices. Then you're dragging out the "defense of firearms" canard to distract from your failure to prove your theses. Let me tell you how many guns I own--that would be zero...so that dog ain't hunting.

The fartsy little German term is a nice touch--if anyone knows something about going a bit amok, it's the Germans--they brought that shit to an international level seventy or so years ago. They had an amok nutcase running the show with a stupid moustache who wrote the book on crazy AND dangerous mass murder.

My "reasoning" is pretty plain--if some asshole, for whatever reason (and the reason does not really matter--are terrorists who blow up schoolkids and housewives less crazy than a love-besotted fool or an angry postal worker?) wants to kill a bunch of people, he can find a way to do it. Killing people with a bomb in a trash barrel, or a suicide vest, or a fertilizer bomb, or a knife, or poison, is no "better" or "worse" than taking a gun or guns and shooting people.

See, the effect is the same--the victims are DEAD.

[nineteen50]

85. So lets make every device of destruction available because they don't kill.

[bigworld]

2. I think more Americans are shot at IHOP and Waffle House than are killed by terrorists every year

[krispos42]

5. I think more Americans die from asparagus overdose than terrorists every year.

Of course, it's hard to invade oil-rich countries by declaring a global war on asparagus.




/Although I would support such a war.

[styersc]

17. i like asparagus

[Critters2]

20. You would.

:)

[krispos42]

23. I'll put you down on the list as an asparagus-supporter

We have camps for people like you!


boo hiss!!!









:D

[onehandle]

34. Asparagus terrorizes me...

...when I pee.

Amazes me every time.

[rfranklin]

52. you have Asparagus Syndrome?

Makes you pee smell bad...

[KamaAina]

48. Are you people casting asparagus again?

:P

[krispos42]

104. *snort*

:rofl:


I haven't heard that one in a while! :rofl:

[barbtries]

8. i've been in a bubble

i don't think i have ever even heard of a waffle house or an IHOP shooting until today.
at any rate this is terribly sad. searching it on google news and got only about 3 hits. it's not such big news anymore when a lone gunman goes after innocent people and kills as many people as he can, i guess.

[femrap]

9. I only go to Perkins

Pancake House. Those others...their food is terrible.

[xchrom]

3. recommend

[yodermon]

4. the media will never ever report the shooter's political inclinations

unless it's liberal

[Recursion]

7. Really? They seemed pretty eager to brand Loughner a conservative

And never really did any retraction when that turned out to be not true.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

11. Since when did it turn out to be not true? Hannity and Limbaugh's opinion doesn't count.

[Recursion]

15. When it turned out he was ideologically all over the place

His anti-structuralist craziness went all over the right and left. I was thinking more of the specific ultimately proven-false claims that he was following Palin on social media.

[starroute]

43. That's not quite true

Loughner did have a range of things in his reading list that involved a glamorization of violent revolution -- including "The Communist Manifesto." But he also named Mein Kampf and cited the racist American Renaissance in some of his postings.

And beyond that, he seems to have been attracted to some of the more way-out conspiracy theories -- stuff about the moon landings being faked and rants about conscious dreaming that come directly out of David Icke, the guy with the nutty ideas about the world being ruled by reptoid space-aliens who are behind the Illuminati. This stuff isn't exactly conservative in an ideological sense, but it definitely circulates on the right and not on the left.

[Recursion]

57. There are leftists who fear the Ickes lizard men; check the Dungeon some time

Crazy knows no ideology.

[starroute]

90. That doesn't mean Loughner wasn't getting it from the right

It's an annoying fact of life that some on the left are susceptible to right-wing conspiracy theories -- for example, those that identify David Rockefeller as the root of all evil. But when you trace those theories back to their point of origin, it always turns out to be something like the John Birch Society.

Still, you can generally tell the difference between a muddled leftie spouting right-wing conspiracy theories because they appeal to a smash-the-establishment bias and a pure-quill rightie spouting the same theories. For example, the rightie is a lot more likely to let glimpses of racism show through.

In the same way, people on the right may sometimes hold up Marx or Lenin as examples of how to run a revolution -- but they're only interested in the mechanics and display no sense of social justice.

And by those standards, Loughner was clearly getting everything he knew from right-wing sources and none of it from the left. He's undeniably crazy, but (unlike the Unabomber, say) it's a totally right-wing style of crazy.

[Recursion]

95. The anti-structuralist bits about language are from a hinterland of the left

At least as I see it.

[bongbong]

30. Your error

Loughner was a conservative.

[stockholmer]

50. your statement is wrong, do some homework

[bongbong]

68. Ha ha

You're FOS. I found mountains of evidence that that idiot was a conservative.

Here, I'll even help you in your ignorance with a link: http://www.google.com/search?q=Loughner+was+a+conservative

[stockholmer]

77. crawl out of your false left/right paradigm, your so-called 'proof' link is a joke

Loughner was a deranged pastiche of conflicted thought, and did copious amounts of the psychedelic drug saliva.

How many 'conservatives' have you seen burning American flags http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEFgoen6thQ, or erecting shrines of skulls to some demon http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/01/10/2011-01-10_chilling_shrine_in_madmans_yard.html?


http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/102225/20110118/loughner-used-legal-hallucinogen-salvia.htm

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20028022-503544.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/13/zeitgeist-the-documentary-that-may-have-shaped-jared-loughners-worldview.html


Your need to peg him into either one side or the other is childish and shows non-criticality of thought and analysis. So typical of so many in the US. I expect better from most on this board, and sometimes I am happy to say, do find it.

[Name removed]

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[bongbong]

106. Deleted?

I guess showing that somebody used "false equivalence" is a no-no to the mods here at the "new, improved" DU.

[onehandle]

6. This would never happen if we were all armed to the teeth.

[barbtries]

10. dammit

you made me laugh.

[onehandle]

14. Not me. Mr. Pegg. nt

[JohnnyLib2]

13. Some probably were!

( I grew up nearby)

[Quixote1818]

96. The article says at least one guy had a gun. I think it was the owner. nt

[devilgrrl]

99. Boy - he sure did stop a massacre from happening!

:sarcasm:

[russspeakeasy]

18. I've been there....armed to the gums would be more apropos.

:evilgrin:

[BadtotheboneBob]

Dude looks kinda like Hunter S. Thompson...

... and I know Ol' Hunter was fond of guns and things that go - BOOM!

[BadtotheboneBob]

25. Oops...

[mainer]

55. That was a great film!

"Hot Fuzz," in case anyone's wondering.

[rollin74]

16. gunman dead of self-inflicted gunshot wound

rumors that he was involved with a woman who worked there

[MADem]

41. Oh, jeez. "I'm gonna make you love me...."

He should have shot himself FIRST, the asshole.

[Doctor_J]

91. The one silver lining of most of these

:thumbsup:

[Doctor_J]

21. As America's leadership wanes in Science, MFG, economics, and so on,

there is one stat in which we will forever lead the world, by a mile - shooting rampages. The Second Amendment roars on while the others are shredded. Viva la Glock

[SteveM]

35. With over 300,000,000 guns in civilians hands, what would you suggest? nt

[Doctor_J]

92. Surely if we as a people can, with great effort, reduce the harm of something

as big as global warming, we should also be able to do something about this problem. But not until we admit that it's a problem.

[hack89]

94. Gun violence is steadily declining and is at historic lows

even as gun ownership has skyrocketed. Why don't you identify and solve the real problem? Maybe the war of drugs is a good start?

[hack89]

63. So why are gun crimes at historic lows and still declining?

you have never been safer.

[Doctor_J]

89. Actually I have been much safer

I lived abroad for a time.

[Name removed]

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[SoapBox]

24. Thank you to all those guns out there...and to the NRA...the Party of Thug and Bully...

Crazy Sarah...Nutty Shelly...

Any and all that have pushed, pushed, pushed the gun agenda.

[TheWraith]

28. Thank you for exploiting murder victims to push your personal agenda. nt

[onehandle]

31. How is that different from exploiting fear to push a personal agenda?

And that's just the Republican party.

The NRA uses fear and profit justification to push their agenda.

[SteveM]

40. And your agenda is gun-control/prohibition, right? That helps the NRA...

as well you know, but what the hey, you're gettin' your thrills.

[Missy Vixen]

45. Oh, I see

Any mention of the victims of spree shootings is "exploitation".

Maybe we should just ignore them. After all, if they were smart, they wouldn't have been in the restaurant/family home/public park/parking lot/church in the first place!

:sarcasm:

[AtheistCrusader]

54. You'll maybe note the poster he was responding to, didn't mention the victims.

So, not sure what you're on about.

[stockholmer]

51. +1 , 2 days in a row I have have agreed with a post of yours (one of us is off our meds)

cheers:hi:

[fascisthunter]

33. and a thank you for restating the Obvious

for those pretending guns equal less gun violence.

[SteveM]

36. Sorry to disappoint, but the crime rates are down, down, down...

But you knew that.

If you are so worried about being bullied, why don't you do something about it?

[Missy Vixen]

47. It's all fun and games till you find yourself or a loved one victim of a spree shooting.

Then again, the crime rate is "down", so maybe the media is just making this up to make those with guns look bad. Yeah, that's it.

:sarcasm:

[SteveM]

59. Actually, you have it right...

"Then again, the crime rate is "down", so maybe the media is just making this up to make those with guns look bad. Yeah, that's it."

___________

The crime rate IS down (check the FBI figures, the trend goes back to the mid-90s), and the media does indeed wish to make "...those with guns look bad." Trouble is, MSM wants to make ANYONE with guns "look bad."

Any cursory examination of MSM over the last 30-40 years will show an almost blanket anti-Second Amendment stance, accompanied by the crudest characterizations of gun-owners in general. So, as you say "that's it."

BTW, I do believe the incident happened, I only wish MSM would delineate between da thug and the law-abiding; they can be so-o-o-o sweeping in their stereotypes.

[Missy Vixen]

72. Oh, absolutely

The media "makes up" stories about spree shootings. I'll bet today's shooter was doing nothing more than enjoying his bazillion-calorie breakfast, and his gun just miraculously went off. At least eight times!

>Any cursory examination of MSM over the last 30-40 years will show an almost blanket anti-Second Amendment stance, accompanied by the crudest characterizations of gun-owners in general. So, as you say "that's it."<

Get over yourself.

Does it occur to you that the reason why media focuses on guns and gun violence is because they're actually reporting on it?

I might also mention to you that I have NEVER met a "gun enthusiast" who could not resist bragging about the gun/showing off the gun/turning every discussion on any topic to his or her gun.

:eyes:

[SteveM]

81. Glad we agree...

on some things. Actually, I have no problem with MSM reporting on "guns and gun violence." It is there steadfast, locked-in propaganda in favor of gun-control/prohibition that is dishonest and unprofessional. Evidently, you make little distinction between reportage and editorial/columnist musings (that's not totally your "fault," as MSM makes little distinction on this subject as well). If interested, I can give you some sources who discuss the agitprop of MSM on gun-control, but take note of this:

"The July 17 (1989) cover story is the most recent in a growing number of attempts on the part of Time editors to keep the gun-availability issue resolutely in view. Such an editorial closing of ranks represents the exception rather than the rule in the history of the magazine, which has always endeavored to provide a variety of opinions and comment, in addition to straightforward news reporting, as a way of engaging readers in interpreting the significance of issues and events as they arise. BUT THE TIME FOR OPINIONS ON THE DANGERS OF GUN AVAILABILITY IS LONG SINCE GONE, REPLACED BY OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE THAT IT REPRESENTS A GROWING THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY." (Emphasis by Kates and Kleck)

-- From a form letter sent to a disgruntled reader, Kates and Kleck, The Great American Gun Debate, 1997, The Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy (hard copy), p. 86.

So, I have nothing to "get over."

Concerning bragging, showing off and turning every discussion, etc., perhaps you need to expand your circle of friends. There are over 80,000,000 Americans who own firearms, and some millions more who have access to them. If they all acted as you said, you would be talking about guns like people now talk about the weather.



:shrug:

[SteveM]

82. Glad we agree...

on some things. Actually, I have no problem with MSM reporting on "guns and gun violence." It is there steadfast, locked-in propaganda in favor of gun-control/prohibition that is dishonest and unprofessional. Evidently, you make little distinction between reportage and editorial/columnist musings (that's not totally your "fault," as MSM makes little distinction on this subject as well). If interested, I can give you some sources who discuss the agitprop of MSM on gun-control, but take note of this:

"The July 17 (1989) cover story is the most recent in a growing number of attempts on the part of Time editors to keep the gun-availability issue resolutely in view. Such an editorial closing of ranks represents the exception rather than the rule in the history of the magazine, which has always endeavored to provide a variety of opinions and comment, in addition to straightforward news reporting, as a way of engaging readers in interpreting the significance of issues and events as they arise. BUT THE TIME FOR OPINIONS ON THE DANGERS OF GUN AVAILABILITY IS LONG SINCE GONE, REPLACED BY OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE THAT IT REPRESENTS A GROWING THREAT TO PUBLIC SAFETY." (Emphasis by Kates and Kleck)

-- From a form letter sent to a disgruntled reader, Kates and Kleck, The Great American Gun Debate, 1997, The Pacific Research Institute for Public Policy (hard copy), p. 86.

So, I have nothing to "get over."

Concerning bragging, showing off and turning every discussion, etc., perhaps you need to expand your circle of friends. There are over 80,000,000 Americans who own firearms, and some millions more who have access to them. If they all acted as you said, you would be talking about guns like people now talk about the weather.



:shrug:

[Name removed]

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[Rebubula]

66. Again...this bullshit

I have several guns and I go shooting with a large group of people every couple of weeks (some of these folks even - gasp - vote Republican). Several of these even bring the kids to shoot with us.

Not one has even been involved in shooting anything other than a target or a deer (I have never shot anything live - but do not hold it against anyone that has) and none of us has ever shot up an IHOP (though I wanted to kick the crap out of a server once when he brought me COLD syrup :)....


75 Million Americans own at least one gun LEGALLY (that is the key point here, legally) - less than 1,000 shoot anyone in any given year. Statistically, that is damned near to zero.

[rollin74]

26. 3 dead now

2 have died in surgery

shooter still alive but not expected to survive. initially was reported to have died

[Quiet_Dem_Mom]

32. According to press conference, 2 of the 3 fatalities are military, possibly Nat'l Guard

[newspeak]

107. yes, there were some national guardsmen

meeting for breakfast.

[thereismore]

37. After an event like this, my "ignore" list always grows.

It grows with people who rush to say something like "guns don't kill people" and similar kind of shit.

[SteveM]

60. I'll save you the trouble: Ignore me now. Right now. nt

[hack89]

64. Ignore me while you are at it. nt

[thereismore]

78. ...and done. nt

[hack89]

86. Thank you. nt

[bongbong]

39. Tanks

It's really too dangerous in America now. I'm buying a tank to run errands with. I hope the roads are up to the challenge!

USA! USA! USA!

[Remmah2]

61. Your welcome. nt

nt

[SteveM]

73. "...too dangerous in America now?" Uh, crime rates are down.

ASU! ASU! ASU!

(Unless they play U of F.)

[classof56]

44. A terrible tragedy, hard to comprehend.

I've long thought that we are all potential victims of gun violence, the inevitability of it drawing closer with each passing day.

These awful random events only serve to validate. It's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it. No problem if others don't agree.

Blessings to all those caught in the crossfire in Carson City.

Tired Old Cynic

[SteveM]

69. I share your concern for the victims in Carson City...

I do not share your unwarranted fears of becoming "victims of gun violence."

I would respectfully point out that many of the 2A defenders in this forum are accused of "paranoia." But paranoia is an unreasonable, out-of-proportion fear of the threat at-hand. Respectfully, I don't share your "thoughts" on this, and I see no validation in this "random" event.

[classof56]

76. Thanks for your thoughts.

I've seen a lot in my 70+ years, but probably shouldn't be such a cynic. I don't "fear" random gunfire coming my way so much as I am sort of resigned to it being my fate. I mean...if you're not safe at an IHOP, where then?? And as I've heard it said, you're not paranoid when they're out to get you. Seriously, maybe it's the haunting images of the Holocaust coming out of Europe following WWII that screwed me up when I was a kid. Or maybe the current republicon goal of taking away my main source of income is bending my old mind. Perhaps being a victim of random gunfire isn't so bad after all, when compared to dying bereft and starving in a cardboard box. My parents told me about those when they lived through the 1930s. They weren't that bad off, but they definitely suffered the long-term negative effects of what my father always referred to as "That Great Depression". Totally off topic, I know, but I hate to see us go back there again.

Anyway, thanks for sharing and blessings to you.

[SteveM]

79. I appreciate your thoughts, which are never off topic.

I'm 63, and depend on less than $700/mo. SS and a very modest IRA. I have nothing but contempt for the Far Right and its attempts to force its ideology down our throats. I am fortunate to have a few friends I can rely on (after all, we only have a few friends whom you can call at 3 a.m.). Stay true to yourself, find a bright side, good weather and pray for rain (I'm in Texas!). Maybe by the end of the week I'll get some duck hunting in. I'm always more content after I've been in the woods.

Take care.

[classof56]

93. Thanks again. And I meant to say previously, hope you are doing okay!

The fires down your way are simply awful. There was a time when I had the notion that me praying for rain might have helped. Not so sure anymore, but I'll do it anyhow! My late mom was Texas born and raised, and I still have some family there. Unfortunately, they are part of the Far Right and via ugly e-mails, try to shove their ideology down my throat. Don't seem to take "back off" for an answer, so I've gotten to where I pretty much ignore them. I like your words about staying true to oneself--I continually strive for that goal!

Good luck with your hunting and stay safe!

[SteveM]

97. Will do, and thanks!

[harmonicon]

46. This could have been prevented if every person in the restaurant had a gun.

In fact, everyone in the US should be issued with a sidearm at birth.

[marions ghost]

49. good means of population control

just shoot each other from birth.

[SteveM]

67. Your argument indicates not only reliance on a straw man, but defeat...

No one has argued that "every person" should "be issued with a sidearm at birth," or that a crime "...could have been prevented if every person...had a gun."

I'm sure you meant this as sarcasm, but in reality it indicates the total bankruptcy of the gun-controller/prohibitionist stance. Obviously, we can see this in the passing of legislation to expand the Second Amendment, and in the defeat of scores of good Democrats who have to explain the gun-controller's fulminations, even from without the candidate's district. But beyond this, you reveal the defeat of your position, with no willingness to see beyond the incident with any depth.

If you were to see beyond, you would note that murder and all violent crimes have been on the decline for some time, but that there is no sure way to prevent these mass murders. You would also see that the carrying of weapons is not social policy, but a means for self-protection. If a concealed-carry person were to thwart or prevent altogether a mass shooting, that's fine; but that is not the intent of concealed-carry. It is the recognition of that part of the Constitution which guarantees the right to keep and BEAR arms. Of course, you would also see the complete unworkability and ineffectiveness of "gun-free zones," "waiting periods," magazine capacity limits, banning of "scary" looking guns, etc.

So you are left with shouting out, over and over, the same tired slogans. Why is this? Do you believe that anyone beyond a very few really believes this stuff? Or are you exorcising some kind of demon? Is it slash & burn resulting from complete frustration?

Gun-control has failed because it failed to recognize and address real social problems. It is really a prohibition, and prohibition is bad social policy. It only affords a gratuitous way to say: "My morals are more moral than your morals." And hope someone is still listening.

[harmonicon]

70. I'm not even going to read past your first sentence....

because I did argue that. Am I no one?

[SteveM]

80. If I thought you were "no one," I wouldn't have taken the time to reply as I did. nt

[county worker]

56. Some people here seem not to be able to have empathy for the victims.

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[LanternWaste]

74. I imagine the corollary is just as vulgar..

I imagine the corollary is just as vulgar, rationalized with the same vigor, and justified with all necessary righteousness.

Although I do realize that for many sacred cows, six of one and half a dozen of the other are two wholly different things...

[bongbong]

75. I know what you mean!

Whenever these massacres happen, a bunch of those gun control types talk about how places with concealed carry never have massacres!

[LanternWaste]

71. What I find really disturbing when reading stories about these tragedies

What I find really disturbing when reading stories about these tragedies is that I'm simply not surprised anymore. So very, very sad all the way around...

[RamboLiberal]

98. Sheriff: Gunman used AK-47 in IHOP shooting

A man with an AK-47 assault rifle shot an entire group of five uniformed National Guard members eating breakfast at a Nevada IHOP on Tuesday, killing two of them and another person in a hail of gunfire.

The suspect, 32-year-old Eduardo Sencion of Carson City, also shot himself and later died at a hospital. Seven people were wounded in the attack at a strip mall near a casino and department store in the state's capital.

The gunman's motive was unclear, but authorities are investigating whether the military members were targeted. The two Guardsmen killed were men; another woman also was shot and killed.

Carson City Sheriff Kenny Furlong said Sencion entered the front doors of the IHOP and traveled "all the way through the restaurant to the back area" before opening fire.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/09/06/general-us-ihop-shooting_8661768.html

Authorities have identified the gunman in Tuesday morning massacre at the Carson City IHOP as local man, Eduardo Sencion.

Three shooting victims have died, five victims have been identified as National Guards personnel. According to the Associated Press the gunman used an AK-47 assault rifle aiming for every uniformed service member.

Sencion, 32, died soon after the massacre from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

According to officials 11 people total have been treated for gunshot wounds.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/129337788.html

[Remmah2]

105. "The gunman's motive was unclear"

"Sencion was born in Mexico and had a valid U.S. passport. In interviews with investigators after the shooting, his family raised concerns about his mental health, "

Go figure.

[tawadi]

100. Did the shooter have a motive? What did he say just before the shooting spree?

Anybody know?

[yardwork]

101. The article at the link suggests that this might be severe mental illness.

Sencion's family raised concerns about his mental health in interviews with investigators, Furlong said. He did not elaborate.

Sencion filed for bankruptcy protection in January 2009. His former lawyer in Carson City and Reno, Joe Laub, said he was surprised to learn Sencion was identified as the shooter.

He called the shooting an "aberration of his character."

"He's a gentle, kind man who was very helpful to friends and family," Laub told The Associated Press. "I couldn't venture to guess what would cause him to do something as horrible as this."

[tawadi]

102. Thanks

The man obviously needed help he didn't get. :-(