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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 01:49 PM
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Pentagon Confirms Presence Of (Four) U.S. Troops On The Ground In Libya
Source: Business Insider

The Pentagon confirmed Monday that some U.S. troops are on the ground in Libya, according to Fox News.

That admission contradicts the Obama administration's repeated assertions at the outset of the Libyan military intervention that no U.S. forces would be deployed to the North African nation.

Pentagon spokesman Capt. John Kirby told the news network that four unidentified service members are on the ground and working under the State Department to assist in the rebuilding of the American embassy there. The

U.S. embassy in Tripoli was significantly damaged in the intense fighting that came to a head two weeks ago with Muammar Qaddafi's ouster.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/pentagon-confirms-presence-of-us-troops-on-ground-in-libya-2011-9#ixzz1XlWOoZsB
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 01:54 PM
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1. My definition of troops is warriors.
Are these people warriors or workers. There is a difference.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 08:35 AM
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20. The discussion last spring prohibited even nation builders, but explicitly allowed protection of the
embassy. As you said, there is a difference.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 01:57 PM
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2. aren't embassies guarded by marines? nt
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 03:06 PM
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9. Embassy's are technically US territory.
so any troops guarding the embassy are on US soil.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 02:01 PM
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3. All four soldier craftsmen, no doubt - Left Behind?
How much democracy can that build - even supposing the "assistance" amounts to raising the Star-Spangled Banner inspiration up the pole over the significantly damaged building? Those four military-types need much more help...:sarcasm:

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 08:36 AM
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21. Did you even read the first paragraph of the article - they are looking at
protecting the US embassy.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 01:12 PM
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25. Yup, the whole thing - did you?
As formatted, Paragraph 1 of article - The Pentagon confirmed Monday that some U.S. troops are on the ground in Libya, according to Fox News.

I see nothing about "protection." I see "assist in the rebuilding."

I guess the actual source, both of the source and of karynnj's inquiry, explains the "misspeaking," LOL.
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razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 02:05 PM
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4. There have been American and allied troops on the ground there from the beginning of this operation.
The type of precision air strikes that we supposedly have been carrying out cannot be done without forward observers on the ground directing the ordnance and providing intelligence. Surprise! The government still lies to us.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 02:08 PM
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5. Even before, there were US and Brit intel people there.
Likely French, too, but I don't remember seeing a specific report about the French.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 09:21 PM
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17. There were Libyans feeding intel to NATO
http://feb17.info/news/exclusive-libyan-woman-guided-nato-bombs-to-gaddafi-targets/">Reuters: Libyan woman guided NATO bombs to Gaddafi targets

Your assertion that it would require NATO personnel on the ground to perform this does a disservice to people such as this brave woman.
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razorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 08:15 AM
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18. I have serious doubts about that story. While that may have happened a few times,
the military, in general would not be willing to trust the mission to an outsider. So, I still do not believe that we are only just now putting "boots on the ground".
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 08:39 AM
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23. From hearings on Afghanistan, it is the Afghani who provide a lot of the intelligence
- and sometimes Misinformation. Boots on the ground who do not know the country well would have a hard time. There is more likelihood that they did get information from our embassy staff.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 08:40 AM
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24. If that story is even true, supposing NATO relied solely on people like her is unrealistic.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 08:48 PM
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26. Unrealistic why, sir, because you say so?
You doubt the story on the basis of what rationale? Is it an instinct you have, or perhaps some military expertise? The story seems perfectly believable to me, and baring a reason that doesn't simply boil down to an allegation of propaganda, then I argue that it ought to taken at face value. I have to wonder if you also doubt similar stories told about the French Resistance?
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 02:09 PM
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6. Oh that is funny.
If they are admitting to "some" there are a helluva lot more there.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 02:29 PM
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7. uhhh yes... just the 4 though..
please carry on with your normal business.
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 02:37 PM
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8. Special Ops people. Somebody has to be on the ground to coordinate
those air strikes to tell the good guys from the bad guys.
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vets74 Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 04:20 PM
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16. "That admission contradicts the Obama administration's repeated assertions ..."
that these weenies have their dicks stuck in their ears.

Hell, kiddos, Obama has thrown high side of $500-billion toward trashing the Arab dictatorships.

And why ??? Because these holes are addicted to sloth, racist name-calling, cursing Jews with every paragraph, and where they have oil... never working a day of their lives at honest jobs.

CIA has done first-rate work, once Obama set 'em loose.

You betcha, the ordinary senior banking and planning professionals coming in to power now will be great improvements.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 03:16 PM
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10. Working for the Embassy?
4 Soldiers working for the State Dept. to assist in rebuilding the Embassy. Sounds like the routine Marine Guard or people rebuilding the Guard Post portions of the Embassy.

Special Forces observers probably don't answer to the State Department.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 03:18 PM
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11. Did we say 4, oops, we meant to add a couple of zeros on that. nt
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 03:47 PM
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12. Oh good grief...we've just GOT to have our storm troopers every place...
Man...can we NOT invade/be in every country in the world?

I'm sick of this "military complex monster" that has taken over.
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Badsam Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 03:50 PM
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13. Wouldn't you say 4 members of the Army Corp of Engineers is assessing
the damage and construction costs.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 03:56 PM
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14. and lots of these guys
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-09-08/world/libya.us.trainer_1_libyan-war-moammar-gadhafi-rebel-training-camp?_s=PM:WORLD

An American soldier journeys to the 'good fight' in Libya

September 10, 2011|By Moni Basu, CNN
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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-11 04:14 PM
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15. Just the tip.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 08:33 AM
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19. Protecting the US embassy, which this is part of, was not in contradiction to the "no troops" rule
Here is a link to a SFRC hearing where they marked up the resolution on Libya and included the prohibition of any troops on the ground. This was very explicitly excluded from the prohibition. http://foreign.senate.gov/hearings/hearing/?id=3c1b866a-5056-a032-526c-dd6dbe1dd4d7

Would you prefer Blackwater - under its new name? Or would you prefer that the US embassy have no protection other than the Tripoli police?
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-11 08:38 AM
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22. Legal or political issues aside, if only 4 are there, I'd be worried about their safety.
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