Libyan NTC leaders fail to agree on interim cabinet as fighting continues

[alp227]

Source: The Guardian

Libya's new leaders haggled over expanding their interim cabinet on Sunday as fighting continued for control of two strategic strongholds of the old regime.

Mustafa Abdel Jalil, chairman of the National Transitional Council (NTC), had been expected to announce a cabinet of up to 36 members in an effort to emphasise unity and counter criticism that the body was unrepresentative.

But a failure to reach agreement appears to reflect divisions that are casting a shadow over the post-revolutionary political landscape. Mahmoud Jibril, the acting prime minister, would only say consultations in Benghazi had not been completed, but NTC sources said they believed a deal would be done "within days".

The NTC has been under pressure to appoint some Islamist figures to reflect their role in the revolution, but tensions have emerged between the council and rebel commanders, as well as with Ali Salabi, an influential preacher being promoted by Qatar and its al-Jazeera TV channel.

Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/18/libya-ntc-leaders-interim-cabinet

[bvar22]

1. How long before the "Peace Keepers" are called in...

... to restore order and monitor a "Fair Election"?

Installing a Corporate Friendly Western Puppet is the next step for turning Libya into a Free Market HELL where the Global Oil Corporations, the Western Banks, the G-8, and the IMF own everything.
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Just. Like. IRAQ!
:party:

” For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html

You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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[Bosonic]

2. Gaddafi spokesman: 17, including French and British, captured

(Reuters) - A spokesman for Muammar Gaddafi said on Sunday that 17 "mercenaries," including what he called French and British "technical experts" have been captured in the Gaddafi bastion of Bani Walid in Libya.

"A group was captured in Bani Walid consisting of 17 mercenaries. They are technical experts and they include consultative officers," he told the Syrian-based Arrai TV.

"Most of them are French, one of them is from an Asian country that has not been identified, two English people and one Qatari," he added.

NATO, French and British officials had on Saturday denied a report by Arrai TV that some NATO troops had been captured by Gaddafi loyalists.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/18/us-libya-spokesman-capture-idUSTRE78H2MI20110918

[bvar22]

3. What????

The "Rebels" are using "consultants" (mercenaries)?

...But...but ...but... "The Rebels" are the "good guys".

They are "students" and "shop keepers" and "barbers" who were joining the Arab Spring uprisings!
My TV told me so!

Pay no attention to all those Western Freedom Bombs,or the fact that Libya was engaged in an ongoing Civil War.
The USA...err, NATO started dropping BOMBS for "Humanitarian Reasons".
This has NOTHING to do with The OIL!!!

I SAW Star Wars, and "The Rebels" were the Good Guys.
Besides, Saddam...err, Gaddafi was an Evil Dictator who killed his own people!


If you're not FOR the New OIL WAR in Libya,
you're WITH The Communists AlQaeda The Terrorists Saddam Qaddafi!!!



You CAN fool most Americans ALL of the time.
ALL you have to do is say it on the TV.

[riverwalker]

4. ?

Soooo, they should continue to live under a sadistic, psychotic dictator for another 42 years?

[bongbong]

5. Meet the new boss

Same as the old boss. If you think the next "leader" of Libya will NOT be as crazy/brutal as the old one, you have not been watching the way the world has been being run for the last 30+ years.

[bvar22]

9. Posts that begin with...

..."So, you think..." are almost always Strawman Logical Fallacies,
and your post is a good example.

No Charge.


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
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[joshcryer]

6. Good. The elements within the NTC need to respect the wishes of all Libyans.

Otherwise you wind up with a US-backed Turkey-esque military junta that takes thousands of lives. Islamist factions can live within the confines of a democratic system (see: teabaggers). Ban them, don't recognize them, and as history has shown by those disaffected, bad things happen.

The more the haggling happens the better things will turn out.

[Ash_F]

7. Hey look, we agree on principle!

But I think in the end, the people who play ball with the foreign businesses will be in charge regardless of anything else. That will be the cost of entry into the new government. As has been M.O. for the third world for the past century.

People who run on a platform native business, self-sufficiency, nationalization or social infrastructure will not make it in. I guarantee you.

[joshcryer]

8. I would believe that if this wasn't the third, fourth, possibly fifth time a shakeup has happened.

Have you read the draft constitution? Article 8 mandates wealth redistribution (not necessarily "nationalization" which is itself not the perfect method to extract oil; you can have paid contractors extract oil and give you 90% of the proceeds, that's a market-social mix, and it appears that's the route the NTC wants to go).

http://www.newcivilisation.com/home/islamic-civilisation/mustafa-abdul-jalil-and-the-great-shari’ah-divide
">Sharia law was pushed because for Muslims it represents an anti-colonial anti-imperialist anti-capitalist view of their own society. Health care, food, clothing, housing, etc, all guaranteed. And it's right there in the http://www.scribd.com/doc/62823350/Libya-Draft-Constitutional-Charter-for-the-Transitional-Stage">Draft Constitution.

So far the NTC has been battling islamist elements because they don't want to be seen by the xenophobic west as creating some sort of islamic authoritarian state. But they're going to have to be inclusive and they know that.

[joshcryer]

10. Relishing liberty, Libyans protest at new rulers

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL5E7KJ3UX20110919?sp=true">Relishing liberty, Libyans protest at new rulers
Clasping placards and standing in a neat line, a dozen men and women staged a protest against Libya's new rulers on Monday in what they said could be Tripoli's first public demonstration critical of the authorities who toppled Muammar Gaddafi.

In the kind of a move that would have could have earned them arrest or a beating in the Gaddafi era, the demonstrators assembled outside the city's Corinthia hotel to demand the interim authorities, called the National Transitional Council (NTC), do more to help wounded Libyans currently being treated in Tunisian hospitals.

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In Gaddafi's time, Libyans say, public demonstrations were often paid-for events, in which officials gave small sums of cash to residents to demonstrate in front of state television cameras.

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"They are not hassling us," he said. "It's we who are hassling them!"

Good. The more the merrier. A government that cannot handle criticism is a government that is a failure.