Anonymous Promises Revenge Attacks For Occupy Wall Street Police Violence

[TomClash]

Source: International Business Times

By Alastair Stevenson | September 22, 2011 6:26 AM EDT

Following reports of police brutality against Occupy Wall Street protesters, Anonymous has issued a series of messages warning the authorities that the violence will not go unpunished.

The reports of police violence emerged Wednesday following conflicting reports of police arresting protesters. A number of statements by Anonymous subsequently emerged claiming members of the media team covering the event had been arrested. Following the report the group issued a call for aid to help keep the live video feed chronicling the event running.

After the call for aid, a number of videos appeared on YouTube showing a number of the "violent" arrests. The videos contained footage of police wrestling a number of individuals from the crowd of protesters. It later showed one protester being dragged along the floor and handcuffed.

Just after the footage appeared, via its AnonymousIRC Twitter feed, Anonymous issued a series of statements indicating it planned to enact a series of revenge attacks against the authorities.

"We know you can arrest us as you please. But you better expect us to fight back with all we have. And we have nothing to lose. You do" read one of the tweets. "With every day that passes, you will need to shut up hundreds of people. Soon thousands. Eventually all. Who you think will win?"

<snip>

As well as threatening attacks for the arrests, Anonymous also issued a series of statements alleging it would take action to protest the U.S.' ruling to allow the execution of Troy Davis.



Read more: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/218141/20110922/anonymous-promises-revenge-attacks-for-occupy-wall-street-police-violence-hack-hackers-arrests-polic.htm

[Modern_Matthew]

1. I am extremely proud of my generation. nt

[barbtries]

41. i'm proud of your generation too.

this world needs you.

[TBF]

89. So am I. My generation voted for Ronald Reagan. It's very embarrasing.

My hope is that what you young folks have learned by putting Mr. Obama in office is that Capital is a force to be reckoned with. And I think you're approaching it in the right way. I support Anonymous.

[Enthusiast]

146. Your generation should contact

President Obama and insist that he hold Wall Street criminals accountable. You know, instead of protecting them.

[TBF]

158. He ain't gonna be listening to me Enthusiast,

I don't have enough money to catch his attention. :shrug:

[digitaln3rd]

2. More idiocy from Anonymous, I see.

As if they think anyone cares about their cyber-terrorism.

Hopefully they can plan their next "party" from their jail cell.

[CarmanK]

5. YOU have to fight with the media you have! FCC declared it!

The FCC has failed to protect the american airwaves for the purveyors of truth. They have allowed a few MEDIA moguls to monopolize the airwaves and thus truth is in very short supply across the US right now. Except for MSNBC and Current, there is little hope for truth. Anonymous is doing what the SCOTUS said was appropriate when it PUT AMERICA UP FOR SALE with Citizen's UNITED. It said that with individual access to media, MONEY IN POLITICS would not corrupt the system, because MEDIA would be available to the COMMON MAN to overcome the MONEY POWER.

[digitaln3rd]

7. Anonymous are a bunch of idiots from /b/

They just love to disrupt. If you think they're doing anything "noble", then I have a bridge to sell you.

[TomClash]

10. What alternate and effective form of protest do you propose?

The ones currently used don't seem to be having much effect.

[digitaln3rd]

15. I don't.

Because the majority of "protests" are just overblown nonsense, like these "anonymous" protests.

[TomClash]

18. How would you effect change then?

Assuming you agree that real change is needed.

I'm not setting you up; I'm genuinely curious.

[digitaln3rd]

19. Work to elect people at local levels and change the two parties from within

This is similar to what the Tea Party did.

Or *legal* protests, like in Wisconsin, that didn't involve the disruption of services or systems (hacking, blocking other people from going about their business, etc).

[valerief]

21. How do you get around the republican-owned proprietary voting software? nt

[digitaln3rd]

24. That's a conspiracy theory

That doesn't really merit any discussion. It'd be one thing if no Democrat had ever one higher office before but, yeah, that's not the case.

[valerief]

28. Your response is a conspiracy theory. See bradblog.com. nt

[solarman350]

48. no conspiracy theory....F-A-C-T.

rePIGphugggerZ own the voting machine software. You really need to do some reading on this. Then again, maybe you love living in an opaque fishbowl.

[caseymoz]

50. Not a theory, dead accurate.

They've been caught red-handed at it. In several states in four elections.

So, why wouldn't elections be fixed now? You think it's impossible that anybody could want power and money so much that they would do it? You think Election Boards and Secretaries of State are incorruptible or don't have interests they'll protect above the integrity of the ballot box? What's keeping you from seeing that?

You've shown now why you think Anonymous are idiots: you're living in a totally different world insulating yourself in ignorance.

You don't effect change by keeping yourself totally ignorant and keeping unpleasant facts at bay.

[kenfrequed]

60. That was everything I would have responded with.

Thank you!

[defendandprotect]

121. Great post -- but unfortunately Democratic Party isn't much interested -- !!!!

[Raster]

57. "...doesn't really merit any discussion."

Perhaps you are on the wrong webiste. You are the second person in as many days that has tried to shut down discussion about election fraud.

[kenfrequed]

62. Of course

After all, they are going to try doing it again and would rather not have anyone talking about election fraud in the run up to the next elections.

[Enthusiast]

148. That is the mission.

Skinner?

[Name removed]

83. Deleted message

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[BobbyBoring]

123. I have a bridge for you

and I assure you it's one on the list of bridges that will get funding to repair!

Your credit card # please?

[midnight]

55. Really important question....

[totodeinhere]

72. We have got around it in the past. In 2008 Obama won and the Democrats won control of both houses of

Congress. And we had control of a majority of state houses. So it can be done and it must be done again.

[valerief]

79. Maybe they let that happen. Or maybe the "big turnout" effect was real. I dunno.

I can't see Diebold/Premier/ESS proprietary code. How would I know?

[Downtown Hound]

98. Yeah, and so much changed when that happened

The Patriot Act was repealed, we got Universal Health Care, corporations were put in check, made to pay their fair share of taxes and pay people a livable wage, and our illegal wars were ended.

Oh wait, none of that happened. Oh well, back to the streets.

[totodeinhere]

125. Actually, President Obama has accomplished a lot since he has been in office. Only

the Obama haters will refuse to acknowledge that. And if he is reelected he will accomplish even more. Should we be satisfied with that? No, we shouldn't. We should always try to push the envelope but to infer that nothing has changed since Obama took office just isn't accurate.

[Downtown Hound]

132. Eliminate the Patriot Act

and bring the troops home. Until those things happen, I don't care what the Obama apologists have to say.

[tomp]

152. exactly. nt

[RC]

102. Ans what good has it done?

Between the Blue Dogs and otherwise bought off Democrats, we are still continuing the course bu$h II and the Neo-Cons set in 2001.
We need to do better.
Why aren't the demonstrators on Wall Street better covered on the news? I'm behind what they are doing. The police are the disruptors there.

[valerief]

108. Or the machines let it happen. And Dems didn't have control of both houses once

you exclude the DINOs in there. They always voted Republican.

[defendandprotect]

128. Only to see Liebermann run everything -- and now House Repugs ... big change !!!

[Plucketeer]

29. Yeah

We'll get right on your suggestions. They're fresh and ingenious concepts. :boring:

I feel confident that if the young in Egypt and Libya had just played by the rules, their leaders would've gracefully stepped aside - or changed things to suit their subjects.

[laundry_queen]

166. Isn't that the truth.

Time to take off the rose-colored glasses.

[bitchkitty]

37. Uh, good luck with that. n/t

[TomClash]

40. But the Tea Party had resources and favorable media

As did some social issue groups on both sides of the political spectrum. But when you talk meaningful economic change, that runs into a hostile, or at least silent, media. It is an issue far less likely to attract resources.

You are partially correct, though. Organization is key, though the obstacles are daunting.

[solarman350]

52. the tea party is an astroturf organization wholly owned by the koch brothers

Big Bucks trumps everything in the age when ANYTHING goes. The "resources and favorable media" are owned by BIG BUCKS, and the latter is calling the political tune because they want to and have the financial capability to do just that. Until the "People's United" case decision is reversed, opposition organizing will do little if anything to make a difference.

[Scuba]

94. +1 and welcome to DU

[Enthusiast]

149. Welcome to the DU! nt

[solarman350]

53. the tea party is an astroturf organization wholly funded by the koch brothers

Big Bucks trumps everything in the age when ANYTHING goes. The "resources and favorable media" are owned by BIG BUCKS, and the latter is calling the political tune because they want to and have the financial capability to do just that. Until the "People's United" case decision is reversed, opposition organizing will likely accomplish little if anything to make a difference.

[defendandprotect]

129. T-party is funded by Koch Bros...out of a PR firm which guarantees them publicity ....

Basically Koch Bros funded the DLC to move Dem party to the right over 20 years

ago --

and now moved the Repugs even further to the right!!

Keep your eye on the corporate money ball !!!


Also -- "Congress is now controlled by the oil and coal industries" -- Al Gore/Rolling Stone

That's also largely Koch Bros --

[caseymoz]

47. This system is totally broken.

If you think you're going to build anything with broken tools, you're the idiot.

The Tea Party is an Astroturf creation of Fox News, Glen Beck, specifically. They're not going to build anything, they are simply going to make things worse. Using them as an example of how a grass roots organization can even operate now is a mistake. IMO, if you want to contribute to the problem, and drive yourself insane with frustration, do what you suggest.

[defendandprotect]

130. Agree -- more than 20 years of Koch Bros. DLC moving Dem Party to the RIGHT ...

and now Koch Bros. funded T-baggers moving the Repug party further to the RIGHT!!

Keep your eye on the RW money ball -- !!!

Also "Congress is controlled by the oil and coal industries" -- Al Gore/Rolling Stone


This is Fascism -- without doubt!

[Downtown Hound]

65. We did that. It was called the 2008 election.

We got a Democratic president, and Democratic super-majority in congress. And with this, we couldn't even get the Patriot Act repealed, much less end two bullshit wars or see any kind of corporate reform.

You are the one living in a dream world if you think that simply "getting the right people elected" is the answer.

[icymist]

76. Do what the Tea Party does?!

Where are the corporate backers for the liberals? The media? Don't insult us.

[defendandprotect]

131. Wait ... "corporate backers for the Dems" was Koch Bros. DLC ... !!!

Koch Bros. DLC infiltrated the party over 20 years and more - moving

the party to the RIGHT --

Now Koch Bros. funded T-baggers are moving the Repug party further

to the RIGHT!!



"Congress is controlled by the oil and coal industries" -- Al Gore/Rolling Stone


that's also Koch Bros --


This is fascism --

[Enthusiast]

150. Al forgot to mention

Wall Street, the military industrial complex, the pharmaceutical industry and the insurance companies.

[defendandprotect]

154. Well ....

When you control Congress, you control the key to deregulation of Wall Street,

privatization of MIC, keeping Medicare from negotiating on drug prices with Big Pharma

-- and regulation of insurance companies -- not to mention, killing Medicare for their

benefit -- !!


But he did forget to mention this which I picked up elsewhere --

Our corporate-press is under the control of the same families and corporations who gave

us Hitler and the Nazis -- !!

I'd never thought of it quite that way before -- but it's Jim Marrs and think he usually

knows what he's talking about!


And, obviously, this is something going on over decades now -- consider "Mockingbird" --

and we certainly have a Goebbels' style press to show for it -- !!

[boppers]

165. Don't forget traditional boogymen.

Churches, ethnicity, etc.

[icymist]

78. The Tea Party crap can go take a hike.

Until they show us the financial and emotional strain that the common person is subjected to by this rich aristocracy, just be quiet.

[stockholmer]

91. the 'real' Tea Party was libertarian,started in 2006, then simply had the name co-opted by the Kochs

what is now known as the Tea Party is nothing more than the warmed over 'soft-racism' of the 'angry white male' meme of the 1990's. The Koch Tea-Baggers are pro-empiric war, and pro-oligarchy, something that the original Tea Party of 2006 to 2008 was NEVER in support of. This faux Koch Tea Party has tried to do what you claim they have, but I assure you, it is not organic, nor is 'ground-up'.

I cringe when I hear libertarians (of all stripes, and there are so so many, but most Americans do not ever bother to learn even superficially of this) called the personification of 'the rich man's anarchy'. If this were so, then hundreds of millions of dollars from the systemic controllers would be pouring into their coffers to ensure their election to true seats of power.

The biggest supporters of the state and its massive regulation ARE the monolithic multi-nationals, as they use it as a bludgeon axe to crush all small and mid size competition. They write the rules, buying off the government to ensure that these rules are passed, then selectively enforced, and absolutely fear true market intervention in any of their affairs.

The tragedy of it all is that false framing, massive political posturing, and deliberate mis-representations and attributions have led up to a point where both the false-left (ie most USA Democrats) and false right (ie most USA Republicans) have come to be associated with completely bastardized versions of economics. BOTH parties are, at their core, fascistic corporatists, and simply maintain a continuity of agenda of wealth and power consolidation for their banking and multinational corporate overlords.

Fascist scum like the Koch brothers have misappropriated certain parts of Austrian economics, taking out the parts that show disastrous failures in certain Keynesian models, but NEVER giving up their pure intent of oligarchy. Remember, Austrians, real Austrians, are much, much more into predictive theory, NOT political false posturing. Most people who try to do even a semi-deep dive into our global madness get gate-kepted by false dogma before they realize this.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The same misappropriation occurs from the left, and clouds what actually happened during the seminal Progressive era.

Read New Left historian Gabriel Kolko in his book "The Triumph of Conservatism: A Reinterpretation of American History, 1900-1916."

In it, he lays out a case for the rise of modern corporatist system during the Progressive Era.
This in turn, allows for the violation of the post's Principle 2 – No socialization of losses and privatization of gains
(ie the confluence of big business and big government in mutual reinforcement)

http://www.amazon.com/Triumph-Conservatism-Gabriel-Kolko/dp/0029166500


Kolko was soon joined by other New Left historians such as William Appleman Williams in challenging the reigning "corporate liberal" orthodoxy. Rather than "the people" being behind these "progressive reforms," it was the very elite business interests themselves responsible, in an attempt to cartelize, centralize and control what was impossible due to the dynamics of a competitive and decentralized economy.

.............in advancing the corporate liberalism idea whereby the old Progressive historiography of the "interests" versus the "people" was reinterpreted as a collaboration of interests aiming towards stabilizing competition . According to Grob and Billias, "Kolko believed that large-scale units turned to government regulation precisely because of their inefficiency" and that the "Progressive movement - far from being anti-business - was actually a movement that defined the general welfare in terms of the well-being of business" . Kolko, in particular, broke new ground with his critical history of the Progressive Era. He discovered that free enterprise and competition were vibrant and expanding during the first two decades of the twentieth century; meanwhile, corporations reacted to the free market by turning to government to protect their inherent inefficiency from the discipline of market conditions. This behavior is known as corporatism, but Kolko dubbed it "political capitalism." Kolko's thesis "that businessmen favored government regulation because they feared competition and desired to forge a government-business coalition" is one that is echoed by many observers today . Former Harvard professor Paul H. Weaver uncovered the same inefficient and bureaucratic behavior from corporations during his stint at Ford Motor Corporation (see Weaver's The Suicidal Corporation <1988>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Kolko
http://users.crocker.com/~acacia/kolko.html
http://miltenoff.tripod.com/Kolko.html
http://www.stateofnature.org/liberalElitesAnd.html

[rhett o rick]

97. I wish I thought you were joking. You want us to just be good little slaves.

You want us to vote and send emails and hope for the best. What planet are you from? This is war and we are losing badly.

[defendandprotect]

120. T-baggers are FUNDED by RW Koch Bros ... their chances of cracking a party are high ...

Just as the RW Koch Bros. funded DLC did with the Democrats more than

20 years ago -- !! And we're still suffering from that effect!!

Party is being run by Third Way now -- !!

All you're saying is that Koch Bros. has influenced both parties!

[AllyCat]

145. Why is the word legal in quotes/stars? I have been involved in recalls here in WI

and I'll tell you, you can have all the elections you want, but they will still steal them. The Sandy Pasch/Alberta Darling race was likely not right and hacked by the same criminal in Waukesha as this past April and in 2006. She has faced NO retribution at all. No one even watches as she does this stuff in plain sight.

It's hard for the average person to feel elections will get us anywhere when this kind of cheating happens and nothing is done about it. We in Wisconsin are far from the only state to have this problem. Just ask Ohio. And Florida. And what on earth is happening in PA??

I have no problem with what Anonymous is doing. These people never seem to have their actions out in the light because they have most of the chips on their side. If a group wants to pull these rats out into the open, so be it. I will continue to work here in WI through legal (not "legal") channels, but more power to the troublemakers who want to spoil the parade for the crooks.

[Enthusiast]

151. You are exactly right.

Our democracy is no more. Unfortunately "the people" have yet to recognize this. Except for some of the more enlightened souls in Wisconsin and Ohio.

[Raksha]

159. Thank you for verifying my suspicions about Wisconsin elections.

Re "I'll tell you, you can have all the elections you want, but they will still steal them. The Sandy Pasch/Alberta Darling race was likely not right and hacked by the same criminal in Waukesha as this past April and in 2006. She has faced NO retribution at all. No one even watches as she does this stuff in plain sight."

I followed the last recall election very closely here on DU, and I know which Waukesha criminal you're talking about. I no longer trust the DU regular who is ALWAYS so quick to reassure us that everything is on the up-and-up in Wisconsin. Her standard argument is, "they can't cheat because we're watching them too closely."

Methinks the lady doth protest too much. As long as the vote counting takes place in a black box there is no way anyone can watch it, since there's nothing to see on the outside. That's the whole point of electronic vote-counting. And what is the Democratic Party doing about it, in Wisconsin and elsewhere? Not a goddamn thing!

[JackRiddler]

70. Surrender, Dorothy!

[kenfrequed]

109. Perfect response

Anyone calling "protest" worthless is obviously only interested in suppressing progressive voices and making us even more invisible to maintain the mistaken impression that tea party BS is somehow populist and popular.

[trumad]

112. God you're a candy ass.

Paul Revere would have rode right by your house.

[Enthusiast]

147. Overblown nonsense?

Skinner. Do something about this poser.

[dharmamarx]

13. Nonsense

All of the progressive reforms that created the American middle-class in the 1940s-1970s were initially put forward by political radicals like the IWW and the Socialist Party in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Those radicals did a whole lot of "disrupting" and many of them were killed and/or jailed for it. They were also called anti-American and a whole bunch of other nasty slurs by the establishment of their day as well. Then, following the Great Depression, a watered-down form of their policies was accepted as "common sense."

[jtuck004]

95. ^^^ What you said^^^. And it is perpetuated by rules and ideologies

that prevent their discussion so as to maintain the status quo.

Until people quit asking for permission nothing will change.

[socialist_n_TN]

105. And this present day Marxist agrees

Welcome to DU! :)

[bengalherder]

23. That bunch of idiots from /b/

has scientology on the ropes.

And it's more than kids. And they don't care if it's noble.

[digitaln3rd]

25. Oooh, Scientology on the ropes. How thrilling.

And kids or not - they're just douches. The majority of them are kids, though.

[caseymoz]

51. Yeah, those damn kids!

Like, say, 60s radicals? We really could have no respect for them now.

[reggie the dog]

69. it is great to see the youth involved in politics and direct action

from such a young age, that they do crimes in the name of the cause is even more noble, did one of thel steal you girlfriend or boyfriend or something?

[notadmblnd]

88. You say that like it's a bad thing?

"douche"

think about it.:rofl:

[bengalherder]

118. You act as if scientology were always the fangless laghingstock

that it is now.

Maybe you should google 'Paulette Cooper' a journalist and auschwitz survivor they nearly killed with their 'fair game' policies and 'Operation Snow White' where they infiltrated the US government. Go to Operation Clambake and learn about the death of Lisa MacPherson and their slave labor camps. Scientology is not just some kooky backyard cult.

And anonymous made it safe for the Old Guard protesters to come forward with what they knew about it.

You really need to lurk more.

[caseymoz]

44. Then why do they always seem to disrupt in favor of the same side?

It's not like there's a right-wing faction within them making attacks on Planned Parenthood, One, Michael Moore or Labor Unions, too. No, they come out for Wikileaks, against corporations collecting personal information, Big Banks and now Wall Street. If that's idiocy in your opinion, then you're either not left, or you're left, and an idiot, too. Which is it?

I won't argue that they're noble, but they're skilled and, for the most part, they're hardly random thrill-seekers either. They are coming out on the best side of every issue.

[Fuddnik]

56. You'd probably accept confederate money.

[Downtown Hound]

66. I don't want your non-existent bridge

What I do want is to see people step up and fight back through a variety of different tactics that get the job done. And Anonymous is doing just that. So bless them for it. They've done more in the last year than people like you have done in the last twenty.

[reggie the dog]

68. idiots that can hack very well? how are they idiots?

they are noble because they are fighting the system that is oppressing us.

[polly7]

6. What have you got against the public's right to know?

MSM doesn't report on anything but what those in charge want released, shouldn't all news be accessible? Thank God someone has stepped up.

[jwirr]

9. And what weapons do you offer for getting at the truth and for letting

the big boys know that they are not yet totally in control?

I am a great grandmother who is proud of them and was proud of people like Daniel Elsberg. We cannot use our vote if we are continually told nothing but lies. Anyone who steps up to champion truth is okay in my book. As to their motives I think there are some that just like to challenge themselves but there are a lot of them who are growing up in a world that is becoming more and more corrupt - like us they feel helpless to do anything about it - but they have found a way. Will it help? That remains to be seen but if we say they cannot do it - it sure won't contribute anything to the cause.

[im1013]

14. +1000!

K&R

:yourock:

[tsuki]

46. +100K

[Raksha]

42. I guess I know whose side you're on...and it isn't mine.

That's not something I say about Anonymous. There is only one relevant question any more:

WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?

[socialist_n_TN]

107. Yep. What you said Raksha.........

That IS the only revelant question now.

And I have a feeling this guy/girl/sock puppet isn't on our side.

[reggie the dog]

67. lots of people care about their cyber terrorism

they are throwing monkey wrenches in the works in the modern sense in the anarcho syndicalist tradition

[TBF]

87. "cyber-terrorism"? Looks like the status quo crowd is getting nervous.

Maybe you can water board them and feel better.

[sabrina 1]

117. And it is that attitude that has turned what was supposed to be

a civilian police force into a military operation that works for Global Capitalists.

We pay their salaries, when they brutalize civilians who are exercising their Constitutional rights in a peaceful way, what do you suggest ought to be done about that? We, the people, have NO ONE on our side in case you haven't noticed.

If this group can scare these brutal cops into behaving themselves before the kill someone, that's fine with, and increasingly with more people.

Who do they think they work for?

[Admiral Loinpresser]

126. One person's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.

NYPD should be held accountable for police brutality. The "authorities" certainly won't hold them accountable, they gave the orders to kick some ass. This isn't paddycake, this is class warfare.

[Matariki]

135. haha. brilliant commentary digitaln3rd.

:sarcasm:

[bowens43]

157. the government cares, this is just what they need to justify a total lock down of the internet nt

[Systematic Chaos]

3. Here

Piggy....

:evilgrin:

[NorthCarolina]

4. Good. nt

[benld74]

8. NEVR PISS off someone who can HACK ANYTHING!!!!!

[Brian Okamura]

61. Anonymous doesn't have as much power as it thinks.

The sites they disrupt are usually up and running again in a few hours.

Anonymous often does things that alienate working class people, who are the very people that are needed to bring about real change (e.g., the Anonymous action over BART).

There is something very "teen-age" about Anonymous. Not only their conduct but also their manifestos seem to be the work of bright fifteen-year olds.

These are criticisms. I would not for the life of me condemn the organization.

[Downtown Hound]

99. Playstation network was down for nearly one month after getting hacked. n/t

[qb]

11. Thank you again, Anonymous, for drawing attention to issues the MSM would rather

sweep under the rug.
K&R

[DaveJ]

12. I'm sure the people really responsible are insulated from all this

If anonymous has their way they'll wreck the global markets and destroy what little savings we have left (I just moved mine to bonds), making us more enslaved to the 400. It's not unlikely Anonymous is something the Koch Bros devised.

[jwirr]

17. LOL

[Raksha]

43. Bullshit.

Re "It's not unlikely Anonymous is something the Koch Bros devised."

I call that a pretty transparent attempt at manipulation. You can do better than that!

[DaveJ]

49. Billionaires profit from chaos. Who's really being hurt?

It's up to society to pull together, they won't do it for us. They watch this stuff happen from their secluded mansions and private islands and chuckle. The lower we become the more control they gain. So logically they could easily be behind this or anything else that disrupts social order.

[rpannier]

113. Actually most progressive legislation has come out of chaos

When the wealthy feel threatened and are afraid they get out of the way of Social Security Legislation, Minimum Wage, Paid Vacation, More open voting laws, etc.
There's a reason why a lot got passed in the 30's and 60's

[Admiral Loinpresser]

141. I beg to differ.

Billionaires profit from orderly masses controlled by carrots and sticks. In the Age of Reagan there has been a heavy emphasis on sticks during the orderly transfer of wealth to ruling elites. Chaos engenders the potential for reform or revolution, which takes the ruling elites out of their comfort zone. Ask the descendants of French and Russian nobility how chaos worked out for the family.

[reggie the dog]

73. you have savings???? most of us dont have any of that ???

what is savings???? i cry for your beholdent savings.... do you really think it is anonymous who is tanking the world markets??? no, the rich are doing it to squeeze out the nearly rich and middle class and then buy up everything, they tried in the 30s and came to power in places like germany under hitler, or spain under franco and italy under mussolini.

[Downtown Hound]

75. Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Oh you...

[RoccoR5955]

16. Good.

About time SOMEONE punished the police! They have been literally getting away with murder, in some instances for quite some time, in NYC.
These guys can hack into anything that is connected to the 'net.

The more that they bring light to things like this that are going on, the better off we are. The mainstream media will not cover it. Someone has to. Cops have to be punished for their misdeeds, and the only way for that to happen, is if their crimes are brought into public view. Thanks to Anonymous, the word gets out.

[Imajika]

20. Anonymous = mostly 4chan kiddies doing it for the lolz

People who think Anonymous is anything other than kids and techies having a go at people are laughably naive.

This is not a movement, they aren't some revolutionary force, Anonymous is mostly just kids screwing around for the fun of it.

[valerief]

22. How do you know that? I'm interested. nt

[Plucketeer]

32. He said it

therefor it's truth. :spray:

[Imajika]

34. If you go to 4chan...

Spend some time reading the Random Board, you will see there is really no ideology. It's just a bunch of kids doing it for the lulz.

Why do you think Lulzsec did all their hacks? Again, they made it perfectly clear it was just for laughs.

[tama]

153. First rule of revolution:

If it ain't fun, don't do it.

Enough of grayfaced ideologues pushing their orthodoxies about revolution. Revolution is for the lulz.

[chrisa]

31. They used to be, but this is a different kind of Anonymous.

Not saying its a bad or good one. However, the new Anonymous spawned during that dumb Scientology "war." It has gradually slid from a racist, destructive group of grey to black-hats (e.g. trolling YouTubers, posting flashing images on an epilepsy forum)to a hacktivist / online social activist organization.

The real "Anonymous" hates the new Anonymous. They don't want the attention (because of all of the illegal stuff they do). The new Anonymous is something completely different.

[Imajika]

35. So it this new hacktivist Anonymous the same Anon that hacked Nintendo?

Sticking it to the man right?

[chrisa]

36. I never said they were good

But yeah. They hacked the PS3 too.

[reggie the dog]

74. bullshit

they are modern day anarcho syndicalists throwing monkey wrenches in the works and stealing internal corporate and government memos and making them public knowledge, they are doing so in a fight against right wing fascism, have you not seen the causes they support? the beauty is that it is anarchy, that is to say, leaderless, just a group of like minded people working against the same common enemy, the right wing fascists.

[Imajika]

77. Eve Online...

Fascist: Check
Right Wing: Check
Hacked by Anonymous: Check

Am I doing it right?

[Downtown Hound]

82. It's a good start. But you need work. n/t

[TBF]

86. You'd better hope so or your systems are toast. nt

[Vidar]

26. Bravo, Anonymous!

[RedCloud]

27. Let the Vendetta begin. I do not fear truth. I embrace it.

[villager]

30. The only thing the ruling elites will understand is when their information systems are "occupied"

Physical occupation -- unless in vast numbers -- of their places of business will only be met with brutality at the hands of their private mercenaries, a.k.a. "the police."

[notadmblnd]

92. you are absolutely right.

without their instant access to their information, they are nothing.


I'm talking about TPTB, not Annon.

[bobthedrummer]

33. Good. K&R. n/t

[marmar]

38. At this moment in history, when small "d" democratic institutions have been so corrupted......

...... Anonymous is sorely needed.

[Hotler]

116. +1 n/t

[tropicanarose]

39. What in the world is this? This sounds like a bunch of paranoid bunk

[Admiral Loinpresser]

142. Paranoia is a reasonable response to systemic repression. n/t

n/t

[Marrah_G]

45. Woot !

[AsahinaKimi]

54. Some of the replies here are very... eye opening.

totemo omoshiroi ne! wow! oops..forgot the popcorn! :popcorn:

[tropicanarose]

64. In what way, please?

[Fuddnik]

58. I hope they give it to Bloombergs Storm Troopers really good.

[midnight]

59. K&R

[-..__...]

63. In other words...

the police will be responding to numerous reports of burning paper bags of dog shit left on the doorsteps of city officials.

[tropicanarose]

96. =)

[Downtown Hound]

71. At the RNC in New York in 2004

The police arrested more than 1800 people. Most of them committed no crime. Nearly all of them had their charges dropped or were acquitted. To date the police (taxpayers) have had to shell out millions of dollars in lawsuits. And they're still nowhere even close to being done.

At the RNC in St Paul in 2008, the police fired tear gas, rubber bullets, flash bang grenades, and used tasers and batons on totally peaceful crowds of protesters. More than 800 people were arrested including over 100 of them on felony charges. The overwhelming majority of them had their charges dropped due to lack of evidence.

FUCK THE POLICE. Give them hell anonymous! Let them know that if they mess with us, we're going to strike back and strike back hard. And it's about damn time too!

[Raksha]

160. My daughter and her fiance were among the 800 people arrested

at the RNC in St Paul in 2008. He was tasered very badly and the incident was caught on video. The charges were dropped against both of them for lack of evidence. They sued for damages, but both eventually accepted a cash settlement not to pursue their claims any further.

[Downtown Hound]

164. I hope their settlement was good. n/t

[totodeinhere]

80. AnonymousIRC's threat of violence is not the answer. MLK, Gandhi and others have shown that

non violent resistance is the most effective.

If we resort to violence we lose. The authorities will just use that as an excuse to crack down all the more. Peaceful non violent resistance even in the face of violence from the authorities is the only way.

[TBF]

85. Right. I loved the Paris Commune too - but it lasted all of 2 months (being generous). nt

[marmar]

90. I don't think they're threatening violence......

When Anonymous says 'revenge attacks', they're most likely talking about cyber attacks.

[backscatter712]

103. How is this violent?

All Anonymous is doing is pwning some computer systems. No physical harm is coming to human beings.

[totodeinhere]

124. If it doesn't involve physical violence then of course that's a different matter. n/t

[bengalherder]

134. Hacking is not violence to humans.

Anonymous demonstrations IRL are strictly supposed to be 'ghandi tech'.

The demonstrations against scientology have been kept fairly light-hearted and humourous.



edited to add Tunak Tunak
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jptv3wqXPVg&feature=player_detailpage

They're not so violent and are into the same icons you mentioned.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

143. Where did you read a threat of violence?

Retaliation against cyber-infrastructure is not violence. I would call it resistance. The violence is only coming from the police state tactics of the other side.

[totodeinhere]

162. This will teach me not to open my big fat mouth when I don't know what I'm talking about.

I skimmed the article and assumed that it was talking about physical violence, not cyber. For that I apologize. Of course what I said about violence is still true but it doesn't apply in this case.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

163. Thanks for the honesty.

I try to emulate your behavior when I make a mistake like that. Some in that circumstance dissemble, deflect or change the subject.

[cornflake_31]

81. Wow. Just wow...

First people bitch about how we need to get off our asses because arguing about it online doesn't do shit.

Now a group of people are actually on the street trying to be heard regardless of the fact that there is a virtual media blackout and "certain" people on here are giving them shit.

Every movement starts small.

[Phaedrus76]

111. Go anonymous!

These fockers think they can repress the serfs with violence. WallSt, Bloomberg and the police lackeys need to turn on the news, and watch Mubarack's trial.

[TBF]

84. Go Anonymous - Solidarity! nt

[Smilo]

93. Gotta love Anonymous...

:loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya:

[The Wizard]

100. Surround Pox News Hqs.

Make getting in and out frightening/troublesome. The news will cover that.

[Modern_Matthew]

101. At least what they are doing is nonviolent.

Those they are fighting murdered a man in Georgia last night.

[virgogal]

114. The State of Georgia performed the execution,not New York or

Wall Streeters.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

144. Wall Street has killed many more people than Georgia.

Both are examples of repression, but it's a question of scale.

[ZombieHorde]

104. I admire their spirit, but I doubt any good will actually come from this. nt

[Riley18]

106. K&R

[Jester Messiah]

110. More power to Anonymous, I say!

If they can rattle the cages of the "authorities", make them feel vulnerable, touchable, then maybe they'll start to think before they act.

[starroute]

115. I think AnonymousIRC flipped out a bit last night

Or whoever tweets as AnonymousIRC ... or one of whatever anonymous collective tweets as AnonymousIRC. Whoever it is, I suspect the Troy Davis execution pushed them a bit over the edge.

But there are a lot of different Anonymi out there -- and there's also #occupywallstreet as a whole, which extends beyond Anonymous, and which posted a draft of their Principles of Solidarity earlier today. It starts with honesty, good manners, and nonviolence, and goes on from there.

[bengalherder]

136. Anonymous is a work in progress

and by it's very definition it always will be.

I think that might be a good thing.

[defendandprotect]

119. Occupy Wall Street would succeed vs corporations if not protected by police brutality

and corporate-press blackout --

I imagine that had something like this been going on in FDR's day, he'd had

made a comment on it -- !!

[Hotler]

122. Takes balls to talk shit like this to the cops.

Following reports of police brutality against Occupy Wall Street protesters, Anonymous has issued a series of messages warning the authorities that the violence will not go unpunished.

"We know you can arrest us as you please. But you better expect us to fight back with all we have. And we have nothing to lose. You do" read one of the tweets. "With every day that passes, you will need to shut up hundreds of people. Soon thousands. Eventually all. Who you think will win?"

The spark has to start somewhere.

[colsohlibgal]

127. Power To The People!

I can't get that Lennon tune out of my head, it's time to go people, it's time to take it to the streets!

Somehow, some way, we need to wrest this country from corporate control.

[fascisthunter]

133. how about making the wealthy's money go **poof**

uh-oh... no more costume.

[bengalherder]

137. PS : For those who doubt anons are real

Go over to WWP and look at the threads about this.

There is almost the same breakdown of opinion as here.

[marasinghe]

138. as always, takes the Kids to draw the line in the sand.

:fistbump:

[femrap]

139. I love you,

Anonymous. Thank you.

[Mosaic]

140. Things are finally changing

I'm glad to be living in this time.

[butterfly77]

155. Kicked&Recommended...

[bowens43]

156. these jackasses are going to destroy the internet.

the government has been looking for reasons to lock it down. these morons keep giving them reasons, and valid reasons.

dumb asses

[Harmony Blue]

161. They are the defenders of the internet like EFF

If you can't see that then you have become an obedient sheep.