Obama tells blacks to 'stop complainin' and fight

[kpete]

Source: Kansas City Star

Obama tells blacks to 'stop complainin' and fight

By MARK S. SMITH

Associated Press


In a fiery summons to an important voting block, President Barack Obama told blacks on Saturday to quit crying and complaining and "put on your marching shoes" to follow him into battle for jobs and opportunity.

And though he didn't say it directly, for a second term, too.

Obama's speech to the annual awards dinner of the Congressional Black Caucus was his answer to increasingly vocal griping from black leaders that he's been giving away too much in talks with Republicans - and not doing enough to fight black unemployment, which is nearly double the national average at 16.7 percent.

"It gets folks discouraged. I know. I listen to some of y'all," Obama told an audience of some 3,000 in a darkened Washington convention center.





Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/24/3164032/obama-readies-words-for-congressional.html

[emilyg]

1. A full belly and a job

would go a long way to motivate anyone to "fight".

[FrenchieCat]

3. Black folks have been fighting without a full belly or a job for years and years....

Black folks have lived the fact that nothing comes easy,
that every day is a struggle for many.
Doesn't mean anyone waits to have what it takes to be comfy to start fighting.....
Only those who accept being losers do that.

[Kahuna]

145. Democratic voters need to take responsiblity for NOT voting in 2010

regardless of race.

[roguevalley]

171. no group has been more neglected. What a thing to say.

edit. this was for the op.

[FrenchieCat]

2. I just watched the speech......“the future rewards those who press on … i’m going to press on”

“The future rewards those who press on. With patient and firm determination we will press on. I don’t know about you CBC, but the future rewards those who press on. With patient and firm determination, I’m going to press on for jobs. I’m going to press on for equality. I’m going to press on for the sake of our children. I’m going to press on for the sake of all those families who are struggling right now. I don’t have time to feel sorry for myself. I don’t have time to complain. I’m going to press on. I expect all of you to march with me, and press on. Take off your bedroom slippers, put on your marching shoes, shake it off, stop complaining, stop grumbling, stop crying, we are going to press on, we’ve got work to do.”

All I can say is folks got fired up...

Video here - http://theobamadiary.com/




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[msongs]

4. "I'll walk on that picket line with you as president of the united states.."

must have missed the day he did that. he does give a nice speech though


http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/white-house/2011/03/unions-still-waiting-obama-step

[FrenchieCat]

5. Poison the well day in day out.......

It may just work.

You'll get full credit as credit will be due you.

[No Elephants]

75. Greeks killed their messengers.

[FrenchieCat]

91. The Romans Crucified theirs.....

and? :shrug:

[polmaven]

104. Can you even IMAGINE

the uproar if he had actually gone to Wisconsin and put all of the focus on HIMSELF instead of the protesters keeping it where is should have been, - on THEM?

I don't understand why so many just don't get that, if the president had gone there, wearing his "comfortable shoes, and tried to join a picket line, the protests would not have been nearly as successful, because the MSM would have stopped focusing on why the protests were happening in the first place, and switched to some kind of invented negative focus on his visit.

Not to mention that the majority of Wisconsin labor leaders were pleased with his statements, and found them very helpful.

:eyes:

[defendandprotect]

111. Interesting attempt at an excuse ... but it doesn't work --

Obama isn't supporting unions as we all know -- INCLUDING THE UNIONS!

[Robb]

120. And we unions are supporting him because we're idiots, right?

The people who claim Obama has done nothing for unions tend to be uninformed and not supportive of unions themselves.

We know who our friends are. Obama's NLRB is fighting for us.

[defendandprotect]

166. It is only YOU suggesting that --

Certainly other unions are questioning their support for Obama --

And over more than 40 years of unions supporting and financing the Dem Party

they have only seen their numbers dwindle --

What the figure now -- 7% -- 9% ... ?

We all know the definition of doing the same thing and expecting different results --

[Robb]

188. Straight from the playbook. Well done.

When unions support Obama, they are either stupid, weak, or their leadership is corrupt, right?

Wholly appropriate to continue this line of thinking in a thread largely about race, eh? Embarrasingly appropriate.

[defendandprotect]

191. Again, those are YOUR comments -- not mine ---

Every union has suffered a loss of members -- the attacks on unions have been

going on over 40 and more years now -- and Obama's comments may be helpful to

WI -- glad for that! -- but his attacks on public education, teachers and their

unions aren't.

I don't see that the thread is about "race" -- imo, it's about supporting the liberal

black caucus --

Some seem to be suggesting that leaving the "g" off of certain words or reporting that

is "racist" -- however, that's simply more nonsense -- because it's something often

done by others, as well, for emphasis -- and often by artists.

Obama is out of sync with liberals -- no matter their color -- and that's the message.

[Historic NY]

129. Telll the UAW workers that.

[defendandprotect]

167. Are you denying that other unions are questioning their support for Abama ... ?

Granted, Americans have short memories but they don't have total amnesia!

[defendandprotect]

192. Try telling the teachers that -- !!

[polmaven]

143. Well, no

we do not "all know" that...look up the statements of the union heads in WI during those protests.

[defendandprotect]

168. Denial isn't going to work -- there is no ignoring the criticism from unions ...

and the attack on public education by Obama/Duncan/Rahm -- across the nation --

orchestrated attacks on teachers and their unions --

The highest unionization we've ever had in America was 39% -- what is it now

after decades of financing the Democratic Party -- 7% -- or 9% -- ???


Sure likes like you have a winning game going there!

[polmaven]

172. I guess

we are only allowed to ignore the compliments from unions, huh? If you say so.

[defendandprotect]

181. Happy to acknowledge any compliments from unions ...

but they don't especially make any sense considering Obama's record --

[polmaven]

182. OK...gotcha..

you are willing to acknowledge the compliments, but you pay them no attention because they don't fit with your agenda. Got it!

[defendandprotect]

185. Nor do the negative comments from unions ....

fit your agenda --

LOL

[polmaven]

189. Have you seen a dismissal

from me of the criticism? I have not stated that those criticism doesn't make any sense "considering Obama's record".

The original post I made in this thread was critical of the notion that the president of the United States could actually go to a state and march with protesters, and not do more harm than good by his very presence. Even the head of the Union involved acknowledged that, and expressed gratitude for the statements the president had made.

I guess that means he doesn't know what he is doing, though...huh?

[defendandprotect]

194. Thank you -- and I think ....

that's a post which can lead us to a better understanding of what we are BOTH

saying --

From my point of view, this isn't about "racism" this is about more of Obama

attacking liberals because the black Causus is pretty much the most liberal

part of Congress.

Therefore, when you posted along these lines ...

The original post I made in this thread was critical of the notion that the president of the United States could actually go to a state and march with protesters, and not do more harm than good by his very presence. Even the head of the Union involved acknowledged that, and expressed gratitude for the statements the president had made.

I was NOT addressing his "physical presence" -- what I was questioning was his spiritual

presence and spiritual motivation given his record re unions.


And, on the contrary, I think we should all keep in mind that Obama knows very well what he

is doing -- !!! Little happens by accident -- !!

[defendandprotect]

110. Unfortunately, that's an Obama quote -- do you want to rewrite history, as well?

[UnrepentantLiberal]

137. I guess this guy dumped a tanker truck of malathion in the

well:

“If Bill Clinton had been in the White House and had failed to address <17 percent unemployment among African Americans>, we probably would be marching on the White House.” - Emanuel Cleaver, Chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus

[chill_wind]

151. Heh. That did finally get the dialogue moving along a little bit

didn't it? Along with a little help a few weeks back from Maxine Waters.

[defendandprotect]

169. Black Caucus have been the best source of liberal leadership in Congress --

Pretty much the only members who stood against the 2000 steal --

and who investigated the 2004 steal -- even tho from a basement -- !!

Love Maxine Waters --

[chill_wind]

170. Truth.

:hi:

[emilyg]

12. Not in his Gucci's.

[FrenchieCat]

14. What Gucci's?

[ProSense]

25. Some

people have trouble telling the difference between Obama's net worth and Clinton's.

:rofl:

[No Elephants]

74. How about comparing apples to apples? Obama entered the WH richer

than did Clinton and O(bama well do better after he leaves the WH than did Clinton.

Not saying which one is better or worse than the other. Just saying your statement is off.

P.S. Obama can afford Gucci, too, but, as President, could probably get a free pair.

[FrenchieCat]

84. Obama doesn't wear Gucci shoes. Period.

Neither does Mrs. Obama....nor the children.
Just sayin'..... :shrug:

[bvar22]

141. ?

Michelle Obama's $495 Gardening Boots Irk Me

In a post I wrote regarding Michelle Obama and her plans to parent our children for us, I remarked about her $495 Tory Burch gardening boots. A few of the comments wondered why I brought them up, and why, as a capitalist, would I have a problem with pricey shoes?"

http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/116095/michelle_obamas_495_gardening_boots

You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[otohara]

183. Trashing The First Lady

Due to Barack and Michelle Obama’s policies, I can’t afford to buy fancy boots, yet she has the audacity to do it herself and rub my nose in it by gardening in them.

Is this your blog?

Michele Obama is writing economic policy - since when?

[No Elephants]

149. Gucci or not Gucci is not the point.

[Historic NY]

132. Oh you mean the advance he got on his book........

he was living in an apartment and driving a Chrysler 300 then too.

[No Elephants]

153. No. The advance on his book was a long time ago. And that staged photo has

nothing to do with anything. Obama is long past the advance on his first book, which he got when he was quite young.

Oddly enough, I meant exactly what I posted, namely that Pro Sense was comparing apples and oranges, namely Clinton's wealth in Clinton's Post Presidency with Obama's wealth before Obama's post Presidency.

Don't know why that was hard to understand.

[boomerbust]

103. Don't worry

Obama's net worth will sky rocket once he's out of office. You know, with his ability to give a fine speech and all.

[Muskypundit]

70. "Marching shoes".... "Comfortable shoes".....

More like flip-flops.

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[savalez]

157. Wisconsin voters are the only ones to blame for their problems.

The majority of them fell for Rethug propaganda in 2010 and voted in a bunch of idiots.

Let's hope they learned their lesson in 2012.

[Muskypundit]

162. Obamas promise to picket with unions didnt include a caveat

He said if their right to collectively bargain were being threatened, he would put on his comfortable shoes and picket. He didnt say "However I wont picket with you guys if the non unionized majority votes to fuck you"

That reply is very callous. Almost insinuating that union members voted the tea party in. Which, hey, if they did, I might be inclined to agree with you.... but since that is not the case I would go peddle your complete lack of empathy elsewhere.

[bluestateguy]

6. What a shitty written article and headline

Lazy journalists again.

[FrenchieCat]

I noticed......but then AP is a piece of shit, so I've given up on expecting better.

And then the Well Poisoners hit the thread.
Got to continue to dampen enthusiasm you know,
cause that's the only we're sure to lose,
and so that's a serious job to do.
Has been since 1/21/09. :patriot:

[chill_wind]

15. What? It sounds like those calls got a *great* reception.

"Take off your bedroom slippers. Put on your marching shoes," he said, his voice rising as applause and cheers mounted. "Shake it off. Stop complainin'. Stop grumblin'. Stop cryin'. We are going to press on. We have work to do."

What else is wrong with the article? Were you there?

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[tblue]

7. "I listen to some of y'all"?

How tone deaf is he?

[FrenchieCat]

8. He wasn't talking to the 10%.....

He was talking to the rest of us.

[No Elephants]

77. Many find a Southern accent from someone raised in Hawaii by Kansans condescending, at best.

I also disagree that he was speaking only to 10% of the population.

[FrenchieCat]

88. You know what....

I'm sooo tired of the fucking petty ass criticism about every fucking thing,
till it ain't even funny!

Let me just explain in a way that maybe even someone like you can understand...
Black folks talk to each other differently than how they might talk to you...
it's a Black thing, that you obviously fail to understand.
I do it, and my yellow ass was born in France, and I have never set foot in
the South.

Any other astute observations beyond accents and shoes? :shrug:

[lillypaddle]

101. Don't let them get you down, Frenchie

Don't let them win. The President can't do anything right to many around here.

[No Elephants]

150. You seem to think everyone here cares what you are tired of.

I'm not sure that's a sound assumption.

Ditto your personal attacks.

And your assumptions that no one here but you knows anything about African Americans.


It was never that interesting and the novelty wore off long ago.

[pecwae]

161. Thank you for this,

It needed to be said and more than once.

[No Elephants]

173. You're welcome.

I try very hard to stick to substance and avoid personal attacks, but I am not incapable of them.

If you come at me and everyone else who "dares" have an opinion different from yours, you take your chances.

[Name removed]

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[Igel]

121. He sometimes adopts an AAVE-tinged rhetorical style.

AAVE is largely "Southern" (not "Appalachian"), but is still distinctive. ("AAVE" = African-American Vernacular English)

In fact, it's been increasingly not like mainstream American English, and the rate of divergence has picked up in the last 40-50 years.

[tblue]

124. I was talkin about the word "SOME"!

He listens to some of us. Not all. How true.

[No Elephants]

154. It is an affectation. Some may enjoy it; some are offended by it.

Some call it pandering.

Different strokes for different folks.

[tblue]

126. "Y'all" is fine. It's the "some" that irks me

At least he's honest about it.

[chimpymustgo]

131. In his "black voice"! Gotta love it. "Take off your BEDROOM shoes..."

He killed 'em.

[rhett o rick]

9. He should take his own advice. nm

[FrenchieCat]

10. That's what he's doing.

What are you doing?

What is it about this effort to dampen Obama's support
day in, day out, like a fucking drum beat?

I understand you want him to lose,
and I can't make you feel otherwise,
but why work so hard to get others to feel as you do?
It will just hurt them in the process.....
and there I thought you kinda of cared about people.

[Angry Dragon]

20. Here we are aforded to have our own and differing opinions

The President speaks of fighting. He says these words and when it comes to sit down at the table he throws the fight out the window.
Why is that??
I have not seen him fight for me...... for the things I feel are important.
If it takes an angry black man to move this country forward then let's go........
You may say that is not his style then he has no business to tell others how to fight.
He promised on the campaign trial many things ....... he has come through on many but not the ones that define this country.
He lets torturers go free, he lets fraudulent bankers go free, he lets people lose their homes through fraud, he promised transparency in government but has shut the doors, he promised a better day and not fought for that. He starts more wars.

When there are people that state for the record that they want to destroy you, you do not day after day offer your hand so they try to gnaw it off. You fight back in the same way. Where is that man??

In my opinion there are more terrorists in the republican party, in Congress, in the states than there are in the rest of the world. These people are out to destroy this country and he does not see that. They are more of a threat to this country than the terrorists abroad. If he would redefine foreign policy and stop trying to change the world to the American view we would create less foreign terrorists.

I will vote for the office, but if he continues as he has the first 2 1/2 years the vote will be for the office and not the man.

[FrenchieCat]

22. Did you listen to what he said at the dinner?

Just curious.

[Angry Dragon]

29. I read the OP and the article, I did not listen to the speech

My comments were directed to your post

Was there something in speech that was not in the OP or article that I should know about that I should consider??

[FrenchieCat]

32. I watched the speech.....

I suggest you do the same.

Then perhaps we can have a discussion...
a rational one that ain't looking for "how many ways can I take digs that this President,
before I'm through"....

[Angry Dragon]

34. I am on dial-up it would take all night to download.......

that is why I have not watched nor listened to the speech

And I think it would be better to ask me before you assume what I am thinking

[FrenchieCat]

36. Well, It should run on C-Span again at some point,

that's where I saw it a couple of hours or so ago.

[Angry Dragon]

39. And I have no television ......... no cable ....... no job for over two years

[FrenchieCat]

46. Sorry to hear it!

At least you have the Internet!

[Angry Dragon]

54. In post #35 you accuse me of taking digs at the President

digs are, in my opinion, unwarranted attacks with no basis.

You do not know me, have no idea what I am thinking, what my passions are, what I base my opinions on.
You do not know what facts I possess.
Yet you accuse me of attacking the President with no clear reason except I want to see the President fail.

[FrenchieCat]

56. I'm not gonna fight you.....And hopefully you don't want to see this President fail,

and one day, you'll realize that constant negativity doesn't win elections....
whether you truly care about that, of course, is your choice.

[Angry Dragon]

67. If he fails, you and I lose, and the country slides farther down the slope

The President told us to hold his feet to the fire, to hold him accountable.
It is our duty to call out politicians when we see them doing something we do not like.
Be they democrats or republicans.
I am in a weekly fight with my republican rep to show me the facts that he bases his opinions on.

When I see this president doing things that I feel are hurting this country should I keep my mouth shut so I do not upset him??

People talk to me and say they worry about SS, jobs, and seeing jobs more out of this country.
I see this President playing around with SS by asking for a reduction in payroll withholdings, asking for three free trade agreements.
I do not see how these two things help pull this country forward. I wait for someone to tell me the facts in how these things help this country. I see funds coming out of the general fund to pay into SS to make up the shortfall. This adds to the debt and becomes something the republicans can attack. I see the free trade agreements adding to the loss of jobs. Panama becomes a safe tax haven for the rich. They have very lax laws there in regards to that. How long before corporations start moving to these countries. What do we have to sell to them?? Show me how these will work for this country.

I do not see this country moving forward at this time. Reagan asked if we were better off now. I know I am not and I look around and listen that many others feel the same way.

As you say constant negativity doesn't win elections. I would also say rolling over and not really fighting does not move this country forward. I would like to see this president come out fighting everyday, point out the crimes of the republicans and lose than seeing him let the republicans set the agenda.

[FrenchieCat]

71. The President told us to hold his feet to the fire, to hold him accountable.

But he didn't say put your foot up his ass and keep it there so that he can't walk.

He didn't say that.

He also didn't say blame him for everything while sitting on your ass doing nothing.

as for this statement of yours:

I see funds coming out of the general fund to pay into SS to make up the shortfall. This adds to the debt and becomes something the republicans can attack.

When did you start giving a fuck what Republicans will attack? Hell, they attack everything! So why worry now, all of the sudden. I thought that's what people were pissed with the President for...cause he seemed so concerned about what Republicans will vote for when he needs a majority to pass anything?

And in terms of Trade agreements, have you actually read the ones being negotiated now....?
Just curious.

[Angry Dragon]

78. You sure do like to add words that I never wrote

How do you know I am just sitting on my ass??
How do you know how I have come to opinions without talking to me??
I have not been able to find copies of the bills.
Please feel free to tell me what I am missing as long as you know.........
How do you know when I started being worried about SS??

You seem to really like assuming things....... why not put some facts out there??

He walks and talks just fine, it is his actions I have problems with
If my foot up his ass, according to you, either bothers him or he does not feel it.
If it bothers him maybe he will turn around and ask why it is there.......

[bahrbearian]

122. Remember Now "while sitting on your ass doing nothing" is coming from

Someone with over 65,000 posts and lives in France. The irony

[FrenchieCat]

142. I don't live in France,

I was born there.

I'm a citizen here, just like you.

[Karenina]

159. Damn Frenchie, I thought you were born

in KENYA!!! :wow: :OMFG: They speak frog there too, eh? :rofl: You'd better post "PROOF" you be 'Murican'!!! :patriot:

I SO ADMIRE your willingness to engage as mine is spent. "Well-behaved women rarely make history." Laurel WHO?

We're such a patchwork of perceptions, driven away by dominant "common knowledge" i.e the ACCUSATION of racism is much more serious than the event that caused it. Examining the subtexts of those "events" ist VERBOTEN.

I'm NOT your "typical American."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_F2FDpU1mM&feature=related

Yer alte Tante K doin' her DJ and droppin' g thang.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

:loveya:

[Fruittree]

100. How has he not come through on

"things that define this country"? We have the first healthcare reform since Truman, we are on our way out of two wars, he has not started a new war - he helped in a NATO attempt to protect people fighting for their own freedom - had we (with NATO) done a similar thing in Rwanda, how many deaths would have been prevented??, we no longer have Don't Ask Don't Tell, he prevented a total financial meltdown, he saved a part of the US auto industry and with it some 300,000(?) jobs, he has been trying to close Guantanamo and we no longer torture as official policy, he captured the person responsible for 9/11, he passed the equal pay for equal work law and more!! But, of course, it isn't enough because you can always come up with a checklist of more that needs to happen.
Are you out there advocating for the things you want to see happen? The government responds to the loudest voices - witness the Tea Party...One person, no matter who they were was never going to fix a long history of wrongs in 4 years. The amount that Pres. Obama has accomplished with the lead weight of congress tied around his ankle is nothing short of amazing!

I agree with him 100% - Stop whining and get out and do something!! It's not up to one person to define a country - it never has been.

[24601]

152. The question most voters will ask is "Am I better off than before he

took office?" Most voters are not fighting (most America has been at the mall). Most voters are not in Gitmo. Most voters haven't seen any health care improvement and I haven't found a voter yet that blamed just one individual for 9-11 plus if you are referring to OBL, I saw a justified KIA but who was captured?

Compared to 19 Jan 2008, how are our retirement savings & home values?

It's the Economy - always has been and always will be. He know going in that if things got good, he'd take the credit and if things go bad, he gets the blame.

[No Elephants]

80. Not really. He's complaining about people complaining. And the only ones

he seems to fight with are the ones he wants to vote for him.

[FrenchieCat]

89. Did you watch the speech?

Because it doesn't sound like you did.

[No Elephants]

155. LOL!

[defendandprotect]

113. +1000% ---

[bahrbearian]

123. He doesn't 'want' them to vote for him, he assumes they have too.

[No Elephants]

156. I think the meme about the left having nowhere else to go

is repeated more to convince us than to reflect what experts actually believe.

I think those who make a living from politics know better, be they mass media, or strategists or pundits know better.

It was once true that the right had to watch its right flank, but the left did not have to watch its left flank. The right has always had something brewing-Birchers, little splinter parties, like the Constitution Party, rogue Libertarians, etc. And now, the Teabaggers.

The Left did not have as much splintering. But that changed in 2000.

Besides, they know about a turnout problem in both the Coakley v. Brown election and the midterms. IOW, people don't always need a place to go. They can always stay home. IMO, that is THE worst thing a leftie voter can do, short of voting Republican, but people do it.

[rhett o rick]

125. I dont want him to lose. I want him to stop listening to his conservative appointees.

I want him to win, but I also want him to end the Patriot Act, end the wars, close GITMO, end domestic spying, end renditions, etc. And you may say that those are too hard. Ok, I would even understand that if he came out and said that he wanted to do those things but the conservatives wont let him.

He is finally speaking out against the corporatists. But speaking only goes so far. Fire Summers, Bernanke, and Immelt.

[No Elephants]

176. I thought Summers was gone. Goolsbee, too. How about Timmeh, though?

Think is, those people were there because Obama picked them.

The majority of his appointments have been Republicans or DLC types (aka DINOS). So, So, I am not sure what replacing them would do.

[scentopine]

11. right, let's all join hands and fight for the rights of wall street to fuck over the non-rich...

and a federal budget paying for three wars, fought with the blood of the non-rich

And let's fight for Tim Geithner's right to give our tax dollars to Wall Street rich.

And let's fight for more air pollution and torture and genital inspections by government agents.

In other words, you are either for Obama or you are against him. Sounds familiar.

Nice job, Mr. President. You just told another 10,000 people to stay home. You aren't helping. You are just pouring gas on the fire.

Democratic leadership is happily filling the vacuum created by the formerly hard right wing when they moved further right to become the tea bagger wing.

I swear it's like democrats AND republicans don't want non-rich people to vote.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Where in the FUCK is FDR when you need him?

Why isn't here?
Is he too busy incarcerating the Japanese,
or compromise the rights for Blacks to participate in Social Security....?

[No Elephants]

81. I'd settle for candidate Obama.

[FrenchieCat]

93. It is obvious at this point, it doesn't matter what he does.....

When folks say use the bully pulpit and he does, them just words,
When he fights, he's campaigning,
when he gets something done, he selling us out, and it would be better if he got nothing done but fought,
when he get nothing done and fights, then he should be getting something done....
and anyways...he's just trying to get himself reelected......or whatthefuckever! :eyes:

Read this please: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=772937&mesg_id=772937

[No Elephants]

174. Baloney.

[bread_and_roses]

146. Me too.

I do realize that "I, too" would be correct, but it lacks emphasis.

On edit, I should clarify that I mean Candidate '08 Obama.

This candidate Obama plays like lukewarm left-over hash.

[No Elephants]

180. I, too, meant candidate Obama 2007-08.

;-)

I had to add "2007" because that was when I decided for certain he was my candidate and made my first donation, on the theory of Emily's list (early money is like yeast).

But, if I look at his record in Illinois with the benefit of rueful hindsight, I think he was running for POTUS long before 2007.

[defendandprotect]

114. +1000% ---

and a round of applause -- !!!

:applause:



:applause: for them as well !!

Black Caucus are the most liberal and right on members of Congress!!

[JJW]

16. Is this fair?

When is the last time Obama told Wall Street, the bankers, the US Chamber of Commerce, Republicans, or the Tea Baggers to stop crying?

[FrenchieCat]

18. He was in a room of folks that don't have a stick up their ass.

They didn't come to find an excuse to get offended.

They're from the school of hard knocks.
Most there knew exactly what he was saying.....
they didn't come to eat dinner with an axe to grind,
so they could get mad and fuck their own self up in the long run
by being pissed at everything, just cause they can.

[flamingdem]

27. +1

[Flatulo]

19. The fact is that black

families are now vastly less wealthy that whites. More than they've ever been.

A staggering percentage of black households have negative net worth. This recession/depression has hit minorities quite disproportionately.

We'll never have equality with so much wealth inequality.

People need good paying jobs, not pep talks. The only whining I've heard from people, black or white, is "Where are the fucking jobs?"

[FrenchieCat]

21. You can't just "get" a good paying job. Many African Americans work Government jobs.....

Which are the exact jobs that Republican Governors have been cutting.

Obama's can't just pull jobs out of his ass, and most folks who understand politics know that.
Folks who want to point a finger as though that will make jobs, well, what can we say about them?
They in it to lose.

[Flatulo]

28. Well, I agree. The man simply can't pull jobs out of thin air. No one can.

The jobs are gone and they aren't coming back... It's not 'whining' to point this out, nor is it an attack on Obama.

The new reality is that America is on a downslide. China is the place where things get made. And minorites are feeling the pinch more keenly than whites.

[lumberjack_jeff]

184. Roosevelt did. n/t

[midnight]

43. The full employment act is a law prescribed for the President and

Congress to create jobs... That is their job.... And for them to say otherwise is not correct....

[DrunkenBoat]

52. Not just republican governors.

[FrenchieCat]

58. Can you give us some facts with that...

Drunken?

[DrunkenBoat]

76. No idea why you keep asking me that question. Not sure what kind of facts

you want or who appointed you discussion monitor, but I don't respond well to nastiness.

This is a discussion board, so I presume I can say whatever I like within the rules. You ain't the boss. My opinion of Obama is that he's pulling out his populist schtick for the election & his calls to "fight" are empty after 3 years of union-busting. Blame everything on evil republicans, I don't buy it.

[FrenchieCat]

94. What Unions has he busted....?

I'm simply asking you to back up your accusations...since you are making them.

And yes,
the Republicans are fucking evil assholes pieces of shit!
YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT? :crazy:

[These Eyes]

26. And this is President Obama's fault? The inequality began with his presidency?

Please... Stop trying to use the plight of black folks as a pawn in your 'let's bring Obama down' game.

[Flatulo]

30. Settle down... I never said this was Obama's fault. But he's

not acknowledging (and no other politicians are, either) that we've lost a major chunk of our manufacturing base to China, and no one has any good ideas on how to get it back.

Pep talks won't accomplish fuck-all.

[These Eyes]

33. "pep talks" encourage people to keep fighting...

Losing hope helps no one.

[Flatulo]

38. Not sure what there is to hope for...

Companies are sitting on record piles of cash, but refuse to hire anyone. Unless it's in China.

Banks have received trillion$ in bailouts, but won't loan to small businesses.

The hemmoraging of jobs to China not only continues unabated, but is accelerating.

CEOs still receiving record bonuses for dismantling companies.

We didn't roll back the Bush tax cuts when we controlled the Senate, House and Executivie branches.

There's hope, and then there's wishful thinking.

I still think Obama is a good and decent man, but our problems started in the eighties and there is no real fix. Monies interests are calling all the shots.

[FrenchieCat]

53. Martin Luther King Jr. gave a pep talk to a Large group,

And it certainly helped!

[No Elephants]

79. Fighting for jobs people on this very thread have said don't exist?

And claimed Obama, the POTUS, cannot possibly create?

Sounds to me like blaming the victims, rather than telling it like it is, let alone taking responsiblity.

[These Eyes]

96. Who's not taking responsibility?

Again, the disparities did not begin with President Obama, nor will they probably end with him. I know it's popular around here to lay every problem at his feet. Maybe you only want to hear everything negative, and never what's positive. But most people want and need to hear "pep talks". Otherwise, they would feel no reason not to give up on anything. No one is blaming the victim -- I don't know where you got that from, unless you're referring to the OP, which is misleading. The president was talking to elected officials about not complaining and fighting along die him, which is what they should be doing.

[tblue]

133. I'd like to encourage him to START fighting.

And to stop telling people not to say what they think.

[No Elephants]

83. Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have said much the same.

[defendandprotect]

115. Much worse situation since Obama has been president --

there was an article up on that the other day --

[frazzled]

37. And they always have been

The unemployment differential between whites and blacks is EXACTLY the same as it was during Bill Clinton's presidency. Twice as high in the black community then, still twice as high now. It hasn't increased (and it also hasn't decreased). So what is you point? What does Obama have to do with that?

[Flatulo]

40. It's not the employment rate (although that's certainly a telling figure),

it's the *wealth* disparity that is at record highs.

http://www.blackblogopolis.com/blogopolis-news/business/personal-finance/income-inequality-in-america-black-families-are-95k-poorer-than-their-caucasian-counterparts

And no, Obama didn't cause this. But telling people to essentially get over it doesn't seem particularly helpful to me.

[frazzled]

42. Who said to get over it?

He said put on your marching shoes and don't give up. Keep working. "Stop complaining" meant that sitting around griping (like most in this thread) doesn't accomplish anything. You have to man/woman up and do something.

Your mind read "get over it."

And also ... you're saying the growing wealth disparity in this nation is Obama's fault? He did it in a mere two years? It's been going on for decades. And there was never any parity between black and white incomes in the country. Ever. That doesn't mean that some day, with work, it can't close.

[Flatulo]

44. But 'stop complaining' does nothing to address

unfair Chinese currency manipulation that keeps their garbage products so cheap here.

Or the myriad unfair trade agreements we have (and are negotiating) with slave wage countries.

Seems like there is real, tangible work to be done.

[FrenchieCat]

51. Can I ask you something?

Have you read any of the trade agreements currently being negotiated?

I'm just curious.

[Flatulo]

97. We're currently working on agreements with S. Korea, Columbia and Panama.

What I know I gleaned from here:

http://www.ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements

In general, they would allow US products to be imported duty-free into the respective markets. And vice-versa.

That's what free-trade agreements generally do.

While this might help with big-ticket items like machine tools and airframes, they will do nothing to return the tens of millions of jobs that have already been lost to China.

And while removal of tariffs might help US companies sell into these markets, the companies who will now have access will be manufacturing the goods to be exported in (where else) China.

Try this experiment - walk around your house, or any store for that matter, and see how many consumer items (I assume you don't own any CNC milling machines or 757 airframes) and see how many items you can find that are not manufactured in China.

I don't blame Obama for this. This started in the eighties. In a global economy, jobs will migrate to the lowest wage state, and for the last 30 years, this has been China.

Edited to add:

In the past three years I've been working as a design engineer in the clean energy sector. I spent one year at Evergreen Solar (they declared bankruptcy last month) and now Vestas, the Danish wind giant. My job at Evergreen went away when they hired two Chinese design engineers for about (combined) 1/2 of what I was earning.

Evergreen and two other major solar players have gone belly up this year. Not so much for lack of demand, but because they just cannot manufacture solar at a competitive cost, which is generally considered to be about $1/watt to achieve grid parity, or what you can produce from fosiil/nuclear/hydro etc. In addition, there is really no difference between the Chinese government and their industries. The Chinese gov'r gave $5b to their state-owned solar enterprise, Yingli. How can we compete with this kind of subzidization?

The solar business is over, and China has won. They manufacture panels by hand cheaper than we can using fully robotized factories. Wind is next. The Chinese own 95% of the world's supply of the rare earth Neodimuim, which is used to make the magnets used in generators. Now they are using this as a weapon against anyone with whom they have a beef. They shut off the Japanese last year over friction in the Sea of China.

The Chinese manipulate thier currency, pegging it to the dollar instead of letting it float according to currency market conditions. Several times Obama has asked them to please stop doing this. They blew him off. What did we do? Nothing.

Again, I'm not blaming Obama. The global economy is what it is. The war is over, and the Chinese won. China is now the lace where stuff is made. All kinds of stuff, with much more to come. The new Golden Gate bridge roadway is being made there and shipped over here by boat.

If you have a job that requires only electricity to run a computer, and internet access, it can and will be done in China.

Obama's response? Quit complaining.

That's just weak.

And I really like the guy.

[defendandprotect]

116. These were Bush trade agreements -- and with unemployment here why would be supporting

any of the trade agreements -- they should be overturned -- !!

[Flatulo]

139. Well, NAFTA was signed by Bill. But I'm not aware of any benefits to American workers

that NAFTA brought.

[newspeak]

187. yes nafta was signed by Clinton

but it was being discussed under poppy bush. Clinton passed poppy's nafta. You wonder why some mexican immigrants are here? nafta destroyed lives in mexico also. I remember when clinton got on the telly after signing the trade deal and stated that we, americans, were going to be the service industry for the world. See how that worked out?

[tblue]

128. It's okay for the potus to whine about our whining.

I get it now. Why doesn't he just pass out muzzles?

[These Eyes]

23. This is starting to become amusing...

Folks around here acting like they're sooo concerned about the plight of black folks. Clearly there's an agenda here.

[FrenchieCat]

24. Noticed that too......?

It's a transparent fucking shame.

Some folks would rather have Obama out of office,
which is why they live and breathe to criticize.
You'd think they'd figure out at some point that if they really cared so damn much,
at least, when Pres. Obama is doing as they have recommended, they get their foot out of his ass.
But no.....Of course, we can't have that. :eyes:

[These Eyes]

31. What I'd like to know is...

How many of them who have hiring authority on their jobs and how willing they are to hire blacks. How many frequent black-owned businesses? Since they're so concerned, what are they doing to change things?

[FrenchieCat]

35. Being on the Internet and making sure that the Enthusiasm gap is

as wide as possible so we can all get fucked by the Republicans really, really hard
is what many are working on. Some know it, and I guess some don't get it. :shrug:

Ps. I'll be passing out flyers in Cypress Village (West Oakland Projects) tomorrow
advertising a Resume Writing Workshop for the Youth to take place at my Black Baptist church,
which I am participating in. :)

[These Eyes]

45. Workshops like that are much needed.

My church has a summer internship program, and what they found was that a lot of the youth didn't know how to dress for an interview. So they started training workshops for interviewing skills. We also have an employment ministry for adults which helps with resume writing, interviewing and job search strategies.

Concrete solutions are what's needed. Anybody can take quotes out of context to try to kill black support of this president.

[frazzled]

41. It's just Saturday night

They clearly have nothing better to do than to sit around finding any thread that might be positive so they can take a swipe at the president. Makes sense: bitter people usually have nothing to do on Saturday night.

I just got back, and I find a half-dozen of these gratuitous bashing threads. Interesting, isn't it.

[scentopine]

48. What's interesting is your post on Saturday night whining about people who post on Saturday night.

[FrenchieCat]

49. At least, poster ain't working to feign like he cares about people,

while working extra hard to make sure same people
can be 100% fucked by Republicans after November 6th 2012.

[scentopine]

136. Nope. Just because we demand more from Obama and use our vote as pressure,

doesn't mean we are helping republicans. He better start representing or he will not get votes. He's risking it all to give a big fuck you to liberals - trading them for so called moderate republicans.

I won't have any part of a candidate that openly shows his disdain for the non-rich. He is clueless about wall street crime, clueless about our wars and destructive energy policies, clueless about consequences of air pollution, clueless about the destruction caused by his embrace of trickle down economic measures like tax credits and tax cuts, clueless about outsourcing millions of jobs to India and China, clueless about the devastation created by turning huge policy decisions over to PhRMA, Exxon, BP, GE, Microsoft, BP.

We are in crisis - he's like a clueless captain on the love boat filled with wall street CEOs.

[bvar22]

140. "a clueless captain on the love boat filled with wall street CEOs"

:patriot:


You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

Solidarity!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[EFerrari]

59. The CBC has always had a big following on DU.

You've been here more than three years, you should know that.

[FrenchieCat]

60. When convenient.......

[Name removed]

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[FrenchieCat]

63. I'm not cynical.....

that would be you.

As for my mouth....you must not be familiar with what it's like
growing up in a housing project in the year 2011. Words are the least
of one's worries.

But keep trying....

[No Elephants]

87. Have any links to DU posts dissing the CBC?

[FrenchieCat]

90. You can tell by the overwhelming number of responses

about the CBC when it was thought that they did not support Pres. Obama (check out the recs!):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4998329

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1757838



While one might notice the underwhelming number of responses about the CBC,
when they are expressing support for this President:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x780726

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x768021

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x780719

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x780834


This one has predominantly Black DU posters posting,
and the rest of the DU folks, the big mouths usually found in most of the other
threads when they believed that Obama was being dogged by the CBC are nowhere to be found....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x781080


but they are in THIS THREAD for sure!


In otherwords, no one gives a shit about the CBC, unless they've got something negative to say about Obama....than the threads get really long. It's so fucking transparent, till it almost ain't even funny! :rofl:

[These Eyes]

92. Which is why so many responses don't even make sense.

:ROFL:

[No Elephants]

175. IOW, not one single DU post ever dissing the CBC. Didn't think there was.

[These Eyes]

73. So you've taken a peek at my profile!

I know what the CBC is and didn't have to come here to learn about it. One thing about you, you do condescension well. Unfortunately, it's not attractive.

You seem to feel the need to school black folks on who other black folks are. I don't give a rat's behind about the following the CBC has on DU. This isn't about the CBC. It's about folks around here feigning their concern about the plight of blacks when it suits their purpose. I find it interesting that every time someone black says something that can be construed as negative against the president, that person is elevated to deity. And they certainly won't let accuracy or truth stand in their way -- even if it means taking a quote out of context.

Do you have a relevant comment on the subject, or do you want to address some irrelevant crap like why I have less that 300 posts?

[EFerrari]

98. Um, what I said was the CBC has always had a big following on DU

so no, it's not surprising that people here pay attention to the awards ceremony or the headlines that came out of it.

The rest is your 12 foot attitude which must be a pain to drag around. Enjoy.

lmao.

[These Eyes]

99. I'm not the one with the attitude...

You've clearly missed the point. Why else would you need to know how long I've been a member of DU? The issue is not the interest in the CBC but the desire to twist what was said. The rest Is your condescending attitude which adds nothing to the discussion.

[defendandprotect]

117. Since when are Democrats not concerned about the "plight of black folks" ....?

Or did they change ALL of the ideals and principles of the party while we

weren't looking?

[Flatulo]

160. It's in everyone's best interests that as many people as possible can

participate in and share the vast wealth that this country can produce. When there's income and wealth inequality on the scale that we're seeing today that's largely correlated to race, then we have a situation that benefits no one. So yes, I am concerned about the 'plight of black folks'. Also Latino, Asian and Caucasion. No agenda here other than common sense and a desire to see this country not come apart along racial lines.

Does that sound suspicious and nefarious to you? If so, then I'm sorry.

We will never be a classless society, and I don't believe one is possible. But everyone should have access to education and business opportunities that the privileged have. If banks are hoarding cash instead of lending to small minority-owned businesses, and educational budgets are drying up, then we're going to have a lost generation, doomed to poverty and dependance on government for subsistance.

[Name removed]

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[These Eyes]

50. They don't even bother to try to mask their agenda anymore.

[Major Hogwash]

69. Why are you here then?

I mean, don't you have something better to do?

[Name removed]

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[DrunkenBoat]

55. fight who? fight what? why didn't you go into battle earlier? why was bailing out bankers job #1?

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[defendandprotect]

118. +1 --

[neoconn]

62. The Obama haters ...

I am beginning to suspect alternative motives from some of the folks on these threads...I really am..

[No Elephants]

177. What don't you try posting on substance, instead of posting against your fellow DUers?

[neoconn]

193. I posted on how I feel.

And right now I feel like half of the criticism is unwarranted and not constructive. It seems like some people right here on DU are just looking to cause mass exodus to vote for a (R) candidate. That's how I see it. Now why don't you find some substance (alcohol, tea... whatever) and bother the real troublemakers...

[Tx4obama]

64. Obama's comments were directed at The Congresional Black Caucus

You know, those folks in the House and Senate that aren't getting things done!

I wish people would read more than just a headline and seek the FULL TRUTH, from several sources, before bashing President Obama!

[FrenchieCat]

66. I put a link to the actual video on my first post on this thread.....

But if you didn't notice, folks don't read around here anymore.
I'm not sure why.....but once Nuance was made into a dirty word,
that's what happened.

[Tx4obama]

85. Sometimes I feel like ...

most of my time is used up trying to help get the 'truth' out to 'democrats'
and then I'm too tired to help get the 'truth' out to the republicans! ;(

It sure would be nice if our party would unite so that we would have everyone's energy directed towards defeating the GOPers! ;)

[FrenchieCat]

95. We have gotten to the point when Democrats aren't any more interest in "Truth"

as are Republicans.....

and I don't think they care anymore about people's future in a long run either....
just that Democrats "say" that they do.

In many ways the two extremes are very similar to each other.....
which is ironic, as most of them claim that they can't tell the difference
between the moderates in both parties.

[Tx4obama]

65. Every Democrat should be telling The Congressional Black Caucus the same thing Obama told them! n/t

[chill_wind]

148. And every Democrat should be telling Obama the same thing the CBC

finally started telling him the last couple months. It looks like they got his attention.

"Tired of ‘It’s the Republican’s fault’" 09/22/2011

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/therootdc/post/tired-of-its-the-republicans-fault/2011/09/22/gIQAzj8XoK_blog.html

[MisterP]

68. of course his idea of "fight" is "become cogs in the machine to reelect me"

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[vets74]

107. And of course the answer is to vote for Nader or sit at home.

Shill-swill.

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[No Elephants]

178. Staying home is always the wrong answer, but I didn't think Nader was even running this time.

[defendandprotect]

102. I'm sure Obama will "press on" ... but whose interests will he be working for ... ???

And I'd be amazed if the AA community supports him this time around --

I'd be shocked, in fact!!

[BumRushDaShow]

105. Divide and conquer is right up your alley. n/t

[defendandprotect]

108. ROFL -- Couldn't be Koch Bros. DLC that's trIed to "divide & conquer" . . . ?

Or the Third Way which now controls the Democratic Party -- ?

Or Democratic Party candidates who can't resist filling their pockets with corporate money

and who sell out the one time Dem Party principles -- ???


ROFL

[BumRushDaShow]

112. Need to build up the parties at the state level

and work on replacing the corrupt non-DLC, old-school "establishment" Dems. There will always be "Koch brothers", in whatever era you look at, like a Howard Hughes in the recent past who has been quoted as boasting of "buying any man in the world".

You just have to find ways around these people. They will always be there - they are a constant. And hurling insults and pointing out the latest low level players and wannabe "corporate" groups de jour is not effecting change or is practical. Creating a real progressive group who is able to operate in the mainstream (and no, that doesn't mean it has to be "centrist") should be the goal. But be aware that the majority of the populace is NOT going to go for extremism from either side.

[defendandprotect]

119. Koch Bros. DLC turned it over to the Third Way which now controls the party ....

And after 20 plus years of Koch Bros. DLC and criminal corporations like Pfizer and

Chevron supporting Dem Party -- that's going to take one heck of a lot of "building up" --


That's more than two decades of Koch Bros. influencing the agenda and the candidats --

incouding presidential candidates --

And, Koch Bros. DLC aren't "old school/establishment Dems" -- they are CORPORATE/FASCISTS.

Also recall that these corporations were invited into the Democratic Party by Clinton and

Gore -- who sold the party -- and themselves to corporations --


You just have to find ways around these people. They will always be there - they are a constant. And hurling insults and pointing out the latest low level players and wannabe "corporate" groups de jour is not effecting change or is practical. Creating a real progressive group who is able to operate in the mainstream (and no, that doesn't mean it has to be "centrist") should be the goal. But be aware that the majority of the populace is NOT going


ROFL --

Knowledge is power -- do you know how many Democrats didn't even know about Koch Bros.

control over the party? What the DLC actually was? What the Third Way is all about?

And now start to reflect on how many Dem candidates came on board with support from

Koch Bros ---

What we have to do is find out what might be left of the Democratic Party --

and how much additional damage Obama has done to the party given his throwing Social

Security and Medicare and Medicaid under the bus!

[BumRushDaShow]

135. "Knowledge is power"

And thus you should know that this is nothing new. Before Gore and Clinton and the likes of Sam Nunn who in the late '80s helped to form the group who I hate and who you rail against, there were the likes of Strom Thurmond and the Dixicrats, a bunch of racist boll weevil ilk who called themselves Democrats, who eventually bolted for the repukes. They did as much or more damage to the party given they were the rural corporatists who oppressed millions off of their systems of share-cropping.

One can continue to believe and hurl right-wing talking points to justify their positions of trashing those who are trying to strategize around the high barriers like the DLC and the Teabaggers, or one can work behind the scenes to find their own solutions without all the hyperbole and insults.

[defendandprotect]

163. Americans understood Southern racism in the Democratic Party ....

the Koch Bros/DLC/Third Way take over and infiltration of the party wasn't as

well known -- still isn't!


It was Segregation, Inc. which did the damage to AAs --

And let's also recall, that those racist influences were chased from the Dem Party

as President Kennedy -- and then LBJ -- stood up against those forces. The fight

actually came from the top!


One can continue to believe and hurl right-wing talking points to justify their positions of trashing those who are trying to strategize around the high barriers like the DLC and the Teabaggers, or one can work behind the scenes to find their own solutions without all the hyperbole and insults.


The DLC is allegedly gone -- you now have the Third Way in control of the party --

And the T-baggers are funded and controlled by the same Koch Bros. who gave you the DLC --

And it's time for those whose only response is to alibi and run from citicism of the president

to stand up and actually respond to it rather than suggesting it is "trashing, hyperebole

and insults." Obama's record stands on it's own and it certainly isn't anything the

Democratic Party should be proud of --

And that is for voters to decide on for themselves -- and they have made themselves quite clear

-- not only in 2008 but in polls since then.



And if you try again to suggest that I am "hurling RW talking points" I will alert

on your post --

What you are hearing is directly from a Democratic Liberal who understands that Obama

engaging in back room deals with Big Pharma and the private Health Care Industry in his

betrayal of American voters on universal health care isn't democracy and all Democrats

should be standing against it --

As they should be standing against his putting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid

"on the table" --

And you've got things quite confused if you think the RW is fighting to save our safety nets

or campaigning for universal health care -- !!


:eyes:

[bahrbearian]

127. We had someone building a non-DLC with Old-School Dems, at State levels

he even got Obama Elected, then he found himself Under the Bus, Howard Dean.

[defendandprotect]

164. +1 --

[bahrbearian]

130. " Do as I say, not as I do"

[mistertrickster]

134. Mr. Obama, blacks ARE fighting. They're fighting for you just like you fought for them.

They're telling you to quit complaining and get to work.

Payback is a beyotch.

[emilyg]

147. +10

[fascisthunter]

138. How about you stop complaining and start fighting

[L0oniX]

144. +1

[Marnie]

158. The capitulator in chief wants Blacks to do his

fighting for him?

Since I was around in the 50's 60's 70's and since. It is my impression that the Blacks, women, minorities, unions have been fighting and dying for decades.

What we want to seem is Mister Preppie get down in the trenches and see what it is like to fight for peoples rights.

We know he has a sliver tongue, what we want and what this country needs is a fighter who is willing to get bloodied and put himself in harms way (not physically but politically, and historically) in the attempt.

Does he not realize that he is scorned almost as much by the people who voted for him as the people who voted, and will vote again, against him?

[defendandprotect]

165. FDR, JFK, LBJ gave us a fight from the TOP of government -- !!

[gtar100]

179. For us, we get the lecture to get in line; for the businesses that have raped this country?????

"Take off your bedroom slippers, put on your marching shoes, shake it off, stop complaining, stop grumbling, stop crying"

Hear that all you people wearing bedroom slippers?

That particular part of the speech was insulting.

[Vidar]

186. Pretty strong words from the King of Compromise.

[katty]

190. Barack, black people have been fighting FOR CENTURIES

go yell at your Wall St and bankster buddies.