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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:03 AM Original message |
Guantánamo film shows plight of Canadian national detained at 15 |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
1. As a Canadian, I'm horrified and embarrassed |
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CanSocDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I'm deeply ashamed of my government... |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Well, Kadhr's father, the head of this terrorist cell, didn't like your country, either. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. When we torture children |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Except that he wasn't tortured. Being made to cry by the cops, and being told what is going to |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Bullshit. n/t |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. What a well-reasoned reply. nt |
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CHIMO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. My Thoughts |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 08:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
39. Really? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Yes. Your post proves my point. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Again, please point to the staute which supports your view |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. I am a lawyer. It's up to you to cite your claim that refutes the ruling of Judge |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. I find it quite hard to believe you are a lawyer |
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IamK (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 12:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
57. when you throw a hand grenade at someone there is a price to pay... |
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IamK (514 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 01:03 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Most Canadians I know love to spend time on the beach in Cuba... |
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Scairp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
47. This is insane |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Turning into a terrorist? He'd thrown a grenade and killed a medic. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Omar Khadir -- Innocent until Tortured Guilty - from 2009 |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. He swore to a court that he threw that grenade, and apologized to the widow of his victim. In 2010. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. No, I understand he made a coerced statement |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Kadhr made his stipulation w/ his defense counsel, who he had the "highest praise and respect for." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. You have been given enough information to know better, were you arguing |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 04:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. No, you seem to think a documentary is somehow more persuasive than Mr. Kadhr himself. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:50 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Give me a ten years with you |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. So you claim that Mr. Khadr is a liar? nt |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. I am telling you that if your only way out of being in prison |
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Scairp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
49. Have you ever heard of Michael Crowe? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Crowe was how old? 14? And Khadr was 24 when he stipulated. He had excellent counsel. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. He pled guilty to murder. Of a medic. He shouldn't have thrown the grenade. nt |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. He didn't. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Here is the stipulation he made to the court that he did, in fact, throw that grenade. Made in 2010 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. And that has since been shown to be a bunch of bullshit. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. You are defaming his excellent and honorable defense counsel. |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. If someone throws a grenade at you, are you going to sit on it? |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. How do you come to that conclusion? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. From a plea agreement in 2010, made as an adult, in court. And he apologized to the widow. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. *sigh* |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Um, no. I think Khadir was serious in his remorse to Speer's widow. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:53 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. If I put you in prison for ten years |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Of course. You have super-secret evidence that Mr. Khadir is lying now, as opposed to before. |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 11:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. You dodged the point |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
7. We are reliably informed by his captors that he's the worst of the worst |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. He pled guilty, and got 8 years for the murder of a medic. I'm not crying in pity for him. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Why ruin a perfect record. n/t |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
30. Squandered his life at such a young age |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. But he has a chance that other child victims do not have. |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Omar Khadr is fortunate in that regard |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. Think of John Lee Malvo. Not so fortunate. nt |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 09:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. A Life sentence for Malvo was appropriate |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
53. I disagree. I think sentencing Malvo to life w/o parole was excessive. |
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vminfla (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 06:44 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. Malvo was a serial killer |
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Kelvin Mace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
9. I am deeply ashamed that this was done in my name |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
11. when UN treaties decree underage combatants be treated as victims? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. I'm thinking that the children we are holding |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. We had him because Canada didn't want him. They failed to ask for his extradition and |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 05:20 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Blame Canada because we violated International Treaty and did not treat the child as a victim? |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. How was he tortured? Specifically, with reference to the 'International Treaty' you claim. |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
60. Did you even read the original post? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
24. Dupe |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-11 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
13. K&R |
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