Darrell Issa not joining calls for Eric Holder to quit over ‘Fast and Furious’

[alp227]

Source: Wash. Post

A chief congressional critic of Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. declined Friday to join Republican calls for Holder’s resignation over the Operation Fast and Furious gun-trafficking sting, saying the operation’s failures were “not about any one person.’’

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) had told Holder in an Oct. 10 letter: “You own Fast and Furious. It is your responsibility.’’ Numerous other Republicans have urged Holder to resign over the Phoenix-based sting, in which agents allowed guns to flow illegally onto U.S. streets and into Mexico. Holder has made it clear that he is not stepping down.

On Friday, Issa said at a breakfast sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor that Fast and Furious “is not about Eric Holder . . . it’s about a failure that seems to be pervasive within Justice.’’ Issa, who chairs the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform that is investigating Fast and Furious, vowed to pursue what he called a “coverup” by the Justice Department, along with reforms at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Issa’s comments came as the Justice Department turned over more than 1,000 pages of documents Friday to congressional investigators about the gun-trafficking operation. Fast and Furious, which began in 2009, is also under investigation by Justice’s inspector general. It allowed small-time straw purchasers to pass firearms to middlemen, who trafficked the guns to Mexico.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/darrell-issa-not-joining-calls-for-eric-holder-to-quit-over-fast-and-furious/2011/12/02/gIQAHsSSMO_story.html

[TheWraith]

1. Of course he won't. He wants Holder to stay right where he is.

A quick resignation or forthright attempts to come clean without Holder covering his ass would tie off the issue quickly, whereas Issa wants to maximize his opportunity to slam Democrats.

[wordpix]

2. article says nothing about what caused Issa's change of mind - F&F goes back to BushCo days

It started with the * admin.

[Abq_Sarah]

8. Except for that whole

Putting guns into the hands of the cartels with no attempt to track them thing...

[certainot]

10. maybe because the leftover bush/rove sops couldn't handle any oversight

[Psephos]

3. Occam's Razor says you're right. n/t

[razorman]

4. Issa's after bigger fish.

[Iliyah]

5. ISSA is the

bigger fish

[jaysunb]

6. Issa is a "big fish" himself .

This guy has lots of issues himself.

[wordpix]

7. somehow, the scams and arson just weren't enough to put him in jail

[certainot]

9. FandF is another in a long line of BS that only exists because the left ignores talk radio

the right gets to have it both ways- bush can start the thing and then then 100 radio stations can scream about it as something obama's responsible for and even a lot of uninformed progressives believe the bullshit because it has been pounded into the countryside by 1000 coordinated radio stations to 50 mil a week for months- just as single payer was defeated with lies and myths long before obama ever got near the senate.

another trophy on limbaugh's trophy warehouse.

[BumRushDaShow]

14. +infinity!!!!!!!!!!!

[earcandle]

11. Did Holder allow the guns to be trafficked? If so, why?

[TheWraith]

21. It's not really clear right now.

Supposedly, the idea was to let the guns "walk" across the border in order to trace their sale in Mexico--except that they had no way of tracking them, and didn't even tell the Mexican government they were doing this. For that matter, they don't even know that all or most of the weapons went to Mexico, since some have shown back up in the US.

As to motivation, given how incompetent the whole tracking effort was, it's widely suspected that somebody at the ATF was salting the find as an excuse to talk up what a problem smuggling was, and ask for more money and powers in order to combat it.

[SoapBox]

12. I say, we need an Occupy Issa...

This Bagger is dirty, dirty, DIRTY. Slime ball is being kind.

Vote this creep out.

[alp227]

13. Issa's district, California's 49th, is a heavily red one though.

They'll just find another corporobot elitist.

[TheWraith]

22. Plus he's insanely wealthy.

He could dump a shitload of money into his own campaign without thinking twice.

[MindPilot]

15. As long as the Administration is closing dispensaries, not much else matters.

[jpak]

16. That's because the ATF was doing the same thing under Bush - and Issa is protecting his own

yup

[beevul]

18. No, they really weren't.

Under wide receiver (pre-2008):

ATF attempted to interdict the guns.

ATF attempted to track the guns.

ATF attempted to follow the suspected traffickers to learn who they were dealing with.

ATF informed Mexican authorities about the traffickers or the guns headed their way.

ATF informed their own agents in Mexico about the traffickers or the guns.

Under fast and furious:

ATF made no attempt to interdict the guns.

ATF made no attempt to track the guns.

ATF made no attempt to follow the suspected traffickers to learn who they were dealing with.

ATF actually purchased some guns which they apparently transferred to traffickers.

ATF did not inform Mexican authorities about the traffickers or the guns headed their way.

ATF did not inform their own agents in Mexico about the traffickers or the guns.




The only question I have is:

In what sort of fantasy land are those two operations even remotely able to be characterized as "the same thing"?

[jpak]

19. Yes they really were - and Bush sucks

yup

[beevul]

20. Obviously bush sucks, but no, fast and furious and WR were by no means the same - and this proves it

Headlined "Meeting of the attorney general with Mexican Attorney General Medina Mora," the briefing paper informed Mukasey that the tactic had been tried unsuccessfully but that the ATF wanted to try again and wanted Mukasey to persuade Mexico's attorney general to provide a team of corruption-free Mexican agents who would assist in the effort. Perhaps implied but not fully detailed in this document was the reason for the failure _ that Mexican authorities south of the border fell down on the job, claiming they didn't see the vehicle carrying the guns that the ATF agents had alerted them to.


http://azstarnet.com/news/national/ap-exclusive-second-bush-era-gun-smuggling-probe/article_02a80836-5f2b-51ce-a67c-06a0833b0181.html

So there, under WR, we have:

ATF attempted to interdict the guns.

ATF attempted to track the guns.

ATF attempted to follow the suspected traffickers to learn who they were dealing with.

ATF informed Mexican authorities about the traffickers or the guns headed their way.

ATF informed their own agents in Mexico about the traffickers or the guns.

Whereas under fast and furious we have:

Soon the scandalous truth came out. It was so shocking that the atf agents couldn’t believe it. When it proved out, they were profoundly embarrassed about their country. They were deeply apologetic to their Mexican counterparts. They scrambled to distance themselves from what had happened. “I hope they understand that this was kept secret from most of the atf, including me and my colleagues in Mexico,” said Darren Gil, the atf attaché to Mexico.

http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=8786.7541.0.0

Gil said when he first queried ATF officials in Phoenix, where the program was run, they told him the bare minimum. According to Gil, George Gillett Jr., then the acting special agent in charge, said, "We have an ongoing investigation…. Thanks for calling."

He also questioned ATF headquarters in Washington, Gil said, and was told, "They have it under control."

As he learned what had gone wrong, Gil said, he realized that ATF officials did not want Pascual to know about the operation, and that ATF feared the Mexican government would find out and lodge a formal complaint.

Gil recalled "screaming and yelling" with his Washington superiors. "It's inconceivable to me to even allow weapons to knowingly cross an international border," he said.

Gil and Canino said they later were advised that senior ATF leaders, including acting Director Kenneth Melson, as well as Department of Justice officials and the U.S. attorney's office in Phoenix, all had approved Fast and Furious. Melson said it was "providing some good intelligence" on gun smuggling.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/26/nation/la-na-fast-furious-cable-20110726

Heres Darren Gil in front of the whole world:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7360785n

So really, when you talk about "wide receiver" versus "gunwalker", you're talking apples and oranges, since NO MECHANISM was used, attempted, or even discussed where gunwalker is concerned.

In fact, David Voth (iirc) was said to have been "giddy" when F&F weapons began turning up at crime scenes:

"The supervisor of Operation Fast and Furious was “jovial, if not, not giddy but just delighted about” walked guns showing up at crime scenes in Mexico according to an ATF agent."

http://oversight.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1341:report-four-atf-agents-working-on-controversial-operation-fast-and-furious-tell-their-story&catid=22:releasesstatements

Its just as I said:

Under fast and furious:

ATF made no attempt to interdict the guns.

ATF made no attempt to track the guns.

ATF made no attempt to follow the suspected traffickers to learn who they were dealing with.

ATF actually purchased some guns which they apparently transferred to traffickers.

ATF did not inform Mexican authorities about the traffickers or the guns headed their way.

ATF did not inform their own agents in Mexico about the traffickers or the guns.

So again:

In what sort of fantasy land are those two operations even remotely able to be characterized as "the same thing"?

[bemildred]

17. I hate having to agree withy Issa about anything. nt