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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 02:49 PM
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Episcopalians Delay Vote on Gay Bishop
"MINNEAPOLIS - Episcopal leaders delayed a vote Monday on whether to confirm the church's first openly gay bishop after allegations involving "touching" and "pornography" emerged against the clergyman, a church spokesman said."

-snip-

"Jim Solheim, the Episcopal spokesman, would not elaborate on the allegations against the Rev. V. Gene Robinson.


Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold was expected to make a statement later Monday, Solheim said."

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20030804/ap_on_re_us/episcopalians_gay_bishop_21



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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 02:51 PM
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1. The timing of these allegations is suspicious
To say the very least.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 02:52 PM
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2. Indeed
Something defintely smells fishy about these 11th hour allegations, for sure.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 04:34 PM
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13. An uncorroborated E-Mail
It almost sounds like that woman that claimed to have been the missing daughter of an Indiana couple, and as it turned out, was a frequent tipster to the FBI about sex crimes.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 02:55 PM
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3. And of course some will believe it out of hand....
...because everyone knows we gay people are all perverts who can't be trusted to be alone with anyone.................

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 05:30 PM
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19. You mean you're not??????
Well, blow me over. (pun intended)

Just kidding, of course, liberal vet!
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 03:13 PM
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4. This is bullshit....
...based on an email. Jebus. Ok, you know, I was molested by George W Bush. I think I should email congress and the white house about it. Yeah, that's the ticket. George touched me innappropriately. This is just sickening. COME ON YOU MEDIA WHORES! An email, delivered WHILE THEY ARE IN CHAMBER TO VOTE...oh, yeah, ok...
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 03:22 PM
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5. Pornography??????????
MSNBC had that word in their banner headline--nothing about pornography in the story or the allegations--just about "inappropriate touching." Way to try to make the allegation sexier and more serious than it might be.
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 04:19 PM
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11. Here's the porno mention:
Edited on Mon Aug-04-03 04:20 PM by chiburb
AP) - Episcopalian leaders delayed a vote Monday on whether to confirm the church's first openly gay elected bishop after allegations emerged that he inappropriately touched a man and posted a pornography link on a youth Web site, a church spokesman said. Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold, head of the Episcopal Church, released a statement announcing the delay as debate was about to start on whether to confirm the Rev. V. Gene Robinson as New Hampshire's bishop. More...

Link added:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20030804/ap_on_re_us/episcopalians_gay_bishop_29
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 04:37 PM
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14. and here's the "porno" site referred to:
http://www.outright.org/

This is so trashy.
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alaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 03:26 PM
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6. This could end up in court.
Defamation of character?

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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 03:45 PM
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7. this stinks of a dirty trick
an unsubstantiated hatchet job instigated via email at the 11th hour.

Some people are really, really desperate to avoid change, aren't they?
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RedSox02 Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 03:50 PM
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8. Exactly my thoughts
Edited on Mon Aug-04-03 03:50 PM by RedSox02
This is someone's desperate attempt to stop this all. Really weak. I think(hope) people will see right through this. But the common murcan will probably believe it without contemplation. ("Gee what a shame, another bad gay priest, ho hum when are the sports scores cummin on")
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Barney Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 03:54 PM
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9. Standard Conservative Tactic: Smear Any Opponent
The Conservatives lost the vote yesterday and rather than risk losing the vote today, they started a smear campaign to delay the vote while they investigate.

Disgusting.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 04:03 PM
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10. Hatchet job....
The opposition is playing on the time-honored homophobic bullshit we all know so well:

All homosexuals are perverts
All homosexuals want to have sex with children
All homosexuals are trying to recruit YOUR CHILDREN TO BECOME GAY!!!

Did I miss any???:grr:
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 04:28 PM
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12. The text of the e-mail re: Bishop-Elect Robinson...
A copy of an e-mail obtained by Reuters that was sent to Vermont Bishop Thomas Ely from a man identified as David Lewis accused New Hampshire Bishop-Elect Gene Robinson of being a "skirt-chaser" who fondled him two years ago.

"My personal experience with him is that he does not maintain appropriate boundaries with men. I believe this is an alarming weakness of character that alone makes Gene unsuitable for the office of bishop," the note, dated Sunday, said.

http://asia.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3216873

A "skirt-chaser" who fondles guys? What, are they wearing kilts? Crossdressers? This proves the depths to which homophobes will go to destroy a good man's character and career.

Shame on them.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 04:52 PM
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15. So, Mr. Lewis just found out about Robinson's election?
Which would mean he's apparently been living in a cave, considering the publicity surrounding this event. But the cave has email capabilities, as these modern caves do. Okay, got it. Nothing suspicious here; I withdraw my original characterization.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 05:02 PM
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16. Gary Bauer's Family Research Council is behind the allegation
on CNN's Buchanan and Press.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 05:11 PM
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17. Why am I not surprised?
What a bunch of losers.
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NickDanger Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 05:35 PM
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20. Evil GOP bastards
Gotta love their morality
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-03 05:13 PM
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18. This isn't right!
I hope the Rev Robinson is able to triumph over this slander.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:22 AM
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21. Simply heart breaking
If this crap derails him it will be a bitter pill to swallow. Sadly this falls into the stereotype of gays that has built up over years. The prono link BTW is evidently a third generation link. That is you go to his site, press a link, press another link, and then get to the porn.
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