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Noordam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 04:56 AM
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GOP Senators Fled Texas in 1993 Vote
AP



August 5, 2003
GOP Senators Fled Texas in 1993 Vote
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS


Filed at 5:14 a.m. ET

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Republican lawmakers have had a rhetorical field day this year as Democrats, first in the House and then in the Senate, fled to other states in order to stymie GOP redistricting plans.

But the Democrats aren't the only ones to employ the tactic: Ten years ago, it was Republicans who walked out of the Texas Senate chamber to avoid a vote on a racially tinged judicial redistricting resolution.

``They clearly have a double standard,'' said Democratic Sen. Rodney Ellis, who is one of 11 Senate Democrats who entered their second week Monday holed up in a New Mexico hotel


..more at article
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:47 AM
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1. This is great!
Edited on Tue Aug-05-03 08:48 AM by party_line
I can't believe the Dems haven't brought this out before. Maybe they did and no one covered it?
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 09:04 AM
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6. Door #2
It made the local papers and news down here, but even then it was just barely mentioned. The national media never picked it up at all.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 09:53 AM
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7. Since the NYT has it, maybe others will pick it up
There are a dozen or so hits on Google.

grrrrrr....big fat hypocrites :grr:
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:52 AM
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2. more GOP hypocracy
does it ever stop?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:52 AM
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3. But that was OK then
Because they're Repugs. Their hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me! :eyes:

That's why we need to fight back with the truth at every opportunity. Whenever they attack, we need to point out that they themselves did the same thing, which is so often the case.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:55 AM
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4. I know!
And this *lame* waffle just kills me:

Asked if the current quorum break was a legitimate option within the rules of the lawmaking process, Sibley responded, ``I've got nothing to say about that. I'm sorry, I'm just not going to go there.''
end snip>

The only time people talk like that is when Mike Wallace is chasing them down the street with a microphone!

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 08:58 AM
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5. Hahaha!!!
I didn't know that. Now we can throw it in the repugs faces.
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phillybri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:09 AM
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8. Kick in the ass for the hypocrites!
:kick:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:04 PM
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9. Ooh 11 of their 13 (then) didn't show
Precident
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Mithras61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 12:44 PM
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10. Wasn't it Craddick and Dewhurst who said...
that this was an unprecedented action? Maybe we should let them in on their own party's history...
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NewJerseyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:07 PM
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11. How many GOP senators remain
Does anyone know how many of the GOP state senators that fled in 1993 are still around now? This would be really embarrasing for them. Newer senators will just say that they wouldn't have done in back in 1993.
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hotphlash Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:31 PM
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12. PLEASE...WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TROLL FR FOR ME
AND POST THIS STORY.PLEASE? I CAN NOT DO IT MYSELF AND I WANT TO SEE THEIR COLLECTIVE PINHEADS EXPLODE TRYING TO EXPLAIN THIS.
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hotphlash Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 01:41 PM
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13. shameless pleading bump.
n/t
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 04:09 PM
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14. "I've got nothing to say about that."
Yep, they have nothing about anything when they have to explain why their actions in the past are different. Well of course, because the rules never apply to them. Their distortions are contortions. They're gerrymandering and perrymandering the truth as well.

But Texans aren't all fools. Here is this editorial from the conservative Lubbock area, pretty much calling them on their hypocrisy. How come they aren't calling for redistricting on the state districts? The same judges approved those lines as the US Congressional districts they're now trying to change. The TX Legislature never voted to approve the state districts, they were drawn by a 5 member board because the legislature failed to do so. So that whole lie of how the courts should not have to do the state's duty is bullshit. Let's open redistricting for state districts too then.
------------

Perry's Actions Are Disappointing
http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/073003/edi_073003010.shtml
"When Mr. Perry called the Legislature into the first special session to redraw the map for the Texas delegation to the U.S. Congress, he pointed out that a three-judge panel, not the Legislature, had created the current congressional lines.

We scratch our heads wondering how that's different from how the lines for the Texas Legislature were drawn.

Because the Legislature failed in its 2001 regular session to draw the maps for the Texas Senate and House of Representatives, a five-member board dominated by Republicans drew those maps.

Why wasn't the governor critical of those people? Why didn't he call the Legislature back into special session to redraw those lines? The answers are easy."
(snip)

Sonia
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whoYaCallinAlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 04:22 PM
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15. Obvious hypocrisy! Hope the Texas electorate can see
their way to throwing out these repuke bums in the next election. People like principled stands, but they hate hypocrisy.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 05:44 PM
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16. A well deserved
:kick: to help expose MORE of the neo-con hypocrisy! :mad:
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judgegina Donating Member (175 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 06:10 PM
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17. HeeHee

They just mentioned this on the local Austin news. They also said that Lite Gov. Dewhurst is threatening legal action to bring the Senators back, including possible arrest.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 07:28 PM
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18. Well with this history, It's time to circle the wagons & Let DeLay have it
All the Dems in the State of Texas should ask for a
recall of Tom DeLay and boot him out permanently
with the spurs of your boots!!!
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:16 AM
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22. ...and take that jack-booted idiot of a shrub with him.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-03 10:14 PM
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19. bump
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Momof1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:09 AM
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20. bump
KICK
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glasschains Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 12:15 AM
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21. A mistake to bring this up I'm afraid
Edited on Wed Aug-06-03 12:18 AM by glasschains
The Rs only went a couple of yards away and it lasted one day. More to make a point then anything else. Not a good comparison for our side at all I wouldn't think.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-2990826,00.html

"But, the GOP was the minority back then, with only 13 in the 31-member body. So, as the Senate prepared to convene and vote on the proposal, several Republicans went into a closed-door meeting to discuss their options.

On the chamber floor, then-Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock announced that the Senate could not convene because no quorum was present. Only two of the 13 Republican senators were on the floor.

The 1993 Republican walkout only lasted a day. Eventually, the settlement was rejected by an appellate court on a technical issue"
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dodger2371 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:43 AM
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23. No Law was violated! Parlimentary Procedure was followed!
Whats your problem? :nopity:
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mrgifted Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 01:57 AM
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24. The sad thing is...
Texans actually believe Perry is an honest man doing a hero's job.
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glasschains Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 08:44 AM
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25. Excuse me?
What's yours?
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 09:49 AM
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26. Allergy...
to hypocracy.
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 10:22 AM
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27. And republicanism
.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-06-03 10:32 AM
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28. It was a TUESDAY, not a Wednesday, at 10 am, not 3pm. and it was raining,
not sunny, and, and, ...

nice try - a hypocrit is a hypocrit is a hypocrit, and the repukes are all full of it for a long time now - too long.
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