Wolfowitz lets slip-Iraq not behind 911...no ties to al-quaeda

[indictrichardperle]

"Wolfowitz's answer confirm doubts long held by critics of the Iraq War that the Bush Administration had no evidence linking Iraq to 911 or al-quaeda but simply used the horrific terrorist attacks as an excuse to overthrow Saddam Hussein's regime"

"A spokesman for Wolfowitz would not return repeated calls for a comment"


http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold08072003.html

(Will the media ignore this ? its every bit as bad as the Uranium forgery)

[BushWhacker]

1. What really happened

What really happend was the following.. it's horrific but true.

The 9/11 attacks were an elaborate plan to garner support for the most hated president in existence for the upcoming elections. God I hate saying it but it's blatantly obvious.

God bless everyone who died in 9/11... My heart truely goes out to you all... but I don't even think Osama Bin Ladin was behind it. I think it was George W. Bush's camp, planning the attacks on the twin towers and such so that exactly what happened would happen. The country would fall in line behind Bush and see him as a victor and as a hero.

I am just calling it for what it was, some sick bastards attempt at gaining popularity. There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. There never were. Ugh I'm too sick to my stomach to continue this subject.

[TennesseeWalker]

5. I'm not quite ready to go that far....

.....but they may have let it happen. And they with no doubt took advantage of it on purpose (TAOIOP)...hey, new reality theory...TAOIOP...lol

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

18. I'm not either

That's totally freaking paronoid.

[DisgustedTX]

11. Agree completely BushWhacker. Perfectly stated. eom

eom

[maggrwaggr]

26. The burning of the Reichstag ...

it's been done before.

Yeah, these people sure do seem to be using the nazis as their role models.

[Barrett808]

27. Then you need to visit the People's Investigation site

http://www.911pi.com

[DeathvadeR]

28. That is so last 5 minutes ago....... n/t

[Selwynn]

34. Blatantly obvious? More like...

Blatantly ridiculous.

"The 9/11 attacks were an elaborate plan to garner support for the most hated president in existence for the upcoming elections. God I hate saying it but it's blatantly obvious."

I am willing to accept extreme claims. I am not closed minded to any possibility, or at least I try not to be. But I think this is an AWFULLY BIG LEAP made with little to no direct tangible evidence. I am NOT at all into conspriacy theories. If we were to go around tauting this theory like it was "obivious" we would instantaneously turn most people off - who would put us in about the same boat as the Flat Earth Society or the people who don't believe we landed on the moon.

I strongly challenge your statement that it is "blatantly obvious." The prove it to me - prove it with the traditional standards of evidence - I don't want to hear your speculation, or intution, and I am not willing to infer conclusions. I want hard, concrete proof and until I see that I am not going to waste time on this kind of speculation. Becuase I think it is extremely wasteful of time and energy.

I think you can make the case that Bush and Comanpy ignored evidence about the risk of a 9/11 style attack.

I think you can make the case that Bush and Company immediately began seeking to capitalize and beneift from the tragedy of September 11th - to me the historical progression of their policy initiatives provides evidence of that.

I think you can make the case that Bush and Company now continue to deliberately promote an atmosphere of fear, of perpetual war and of anxiety in order to keep people willing to sacrifice more and more of their freedoms to this regime.

But I don't think you can make the case that Bush and Company planned the attacks of September 11th. I believe they are opportunists, and the evidence seems strong on that. But I do believe they are coconspirators and so far I've seen NO evidence, only conjectural consipracy-theory-esque speculation, that would inidicate otherwise.

I'd really like it of Democrats didn't go off the deep end and loose all credibility with conspiracy theories. We need to stay grounded in the rationally objectively verifiable. Howard Zinn had a very excellent ariticle on this very thing in Z Magazine. We would be wise to heed his warning.

Sel

[Davis_X_Machina]

2. More 'contingent truth' from the NeoConintern. n/t

[BeFree]

3. We read your lips....

Just like your Daddy....we read your lips....and they said .."Iraq has nukes...al queda is in cohoots...oil is worth killing for."

Just like your Daddy, we read your lips and seen your lying eyes. You have failed the people. Time to leave, Shrubby. Your days are numbered.

[acmavm]

4. They state the obvious hoping they can dilute it as in issue in the

next election. They are trying to water down the truth so that their "believers" can get used to the idea that they were lied to by telling them the truth now, when they can no longer deny it. That way, these idiot repubes will have gotten used to the deception by next year, and it won't effect the way they vote. It just won't be an issue for them.

[indictrichardperle]

6. my first thought

they are trying to defuse another scandal before the september congressional hearings into faulty evidence used for the invasion of Iraq. Slowly releasing the truth, trying to defuse another stinking pack of lies.

The problem will be if the media picks this thing up.....it would really bring down those sinking poll numbers....No WMDs, no ties to terrorism, and troops continue to die.

[Cronus Protagonist]

7. They're preparing the ground for the Daisy Cutter MOAB Rebuttal

Which goes like this:

"Even if Vice President Cheney allowed the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon, he did so for the good of the nation. Franklin Roosevelt did this when he allowed the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor so the United States could join the war against the axis of evil of that era."

http://cronus.com/moab

Once they have this argument firmly in the public consciousness they'll know they really have revived the Third Reich and it will be time to put the pedal to the metal.


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[TennesseeWalker]

8. I think this story needs a "kick".

Don't let folks forget this.

[indictrichardperle]

9. KICK

This is the other shoe....this is the last leg they have to stand on. Congress better put the spotlight on the OSP. :mad:

[HawkerHurricane]

10. FDR 'let' the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor?

Gee, and I thought it was just well planned.

Remember, the first thing FDR said when informed of the attack:
"That can't be right. You must mean they attacked Clark (Major airbase in the Phillipines), not Pearl."

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

19. You are correct.

Prior to WWII US intelligence forsaw the probability of a Japanese attack. They felt it would probably be in the Phillipines they just didn't know when.

The urban legend that FDR was aware the attack on Pearl Harbor was coming was started by a bunch of right wingers who wanted to salvage the reputation of Admiral Kimmel who was commander of the Pearl Harbor shipyard at the time of the attack.

[tkmorris]

16. That will never fly.

Not ever. There would be revolution in the streets if they tried that line.

[Cronus Protagonist]

24. Hopefully, you would be right

But I also thought there would be riots in the streets if the Supreme Court altered the election results in favor of a partisan candidate and ignored the will of the people.

I am no longer able to entertain the thought that Americans in general will revolt against anything - complacency is warm and fuzzy and cable TV is sooo good, why would they go out onto the streets where it's cold and police shoot you just for standing there?


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[Cocoa]

30. aren't they long past that?

It seems they've been reduced to "Saddam was a bad man" over and over for a few months now.

[BelgianMadCow]

32. remember, this comes from the guy

who said WMD were merely a bureaucratic reason to go to war.

<snip>
The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason
/<snip>

from http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0305/S00308.htm

[AnnabelLee]

12. Feingold & Chafee

both grilled Wolfowitz about the non-existent links during his testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Feingold used the phrase "through the looking glass" & said Wolfowitz should stop "pretending that Iraq & 9/11 are the same issue".

I, too, am pessimistic about the media picking this up.:-(Maurice Joly was on to something...

[psychopomp]

13. Read the article "kick"

Concise and damning.

[indictrichardperle]

14. cut and paste some key points of the article

this needs to go in the DU archives. Where's Tinoire ?

[Cronus Protagonist]

15. Bush & Blair BOTH admitted this in a news conference

(from the Shitehouse web site)

Q One question for you both. Do you believe that there is a link between Saddam Hussein, a direct link, and the men who attacked on September the 11th?

THE PRESIDENT: I can't make that claim.

THE PRIME MINISTER: That answers your question. The one thing I would say, however, is


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[indictrichardperle]

17. that doesnt matter

Rummy, Perle, Wolfowitz, Condi, Bunker Dick.......most of the usual suspects are on the record touting Iraq's ties to terra.

Others can google and find the quotes...but there are lots of them.

[pompano]

21. It figures....

Well, If it wasn’t for Kobe and Arnold 24-7 I could hear the spin now.
No WMD, No Iraqi link to 9-11, mass graves should cover it. What if we find out these mass graves were actually Iraqi cemetaries? How will it be spun next? No WMD, No 9-11 link, mass graves were actually Iraqi cemetaries, what next? Saddam was a brutal Gin drinker and may have slept in his underware once or twice???

It isn’t about a sixteen word sentence that was a lie. It’s more like sixteen lies in a sentence anymore.

The GD flag waving, grave standing, Greenwood listening sheeple best wake up and see what they have slept walked into. They have been fooled AGAIN!

[jamesinca]

22. They are saying both things

They are making the connection between al-Quida and Iraq and they are saying they never though it existed. So they can point to which ever story fits best for the interview. somebody needs to point this out in an interview or press conference.

Do you remember Rumsfeld on Meet the Press about a month ago, Sen Gram was on right after him. Russert quoted Cheney as saying they had nuclear weapons in Iraq or something like that and Rummy got quiet. Russert then said that Chenney must have mispoke, because in other interviews he had said programs. Rumsfeld exhaled at this point. I remember thinking he looked nervous,like Chenney had let the cat out of the bag. I have to ask, with this new admission, did Chenney mispeak, or tell the truth and the rest of the interviews were lies?

[Judi Lynn]

20. Good grief!

Just scanning now, gotta kick your article. Coming back to study it later tonight.

Looks important, doesn't it?

:kick: :kick:

[PROGRESSIVE1]

23. Damn!!!

Wolfie lied to us and no one cares excepct for we Duers and a couple of Republicans such as Ron Paul and Lincoln Chafee.

[TennesseeWalker]

25. One last "kick"

eom

[phoebe]

29. kickin' n/t

:kick:

[jpak]

31. They are all liars - every last one of them.

And every last one of them needs to be removed from office.

[BelgianMadCow]

33. that's too gentle

removed from office and put on trial :mad:

and that's only because I respect the law & don't believe in death penalty.