New intelligence suggests terror operatives in U.S. for major attack

[Newsjock]

Edit to add link, with more info
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2591618

Associated Press

WASHINGTON -- U.S. officials have obtained new intelligence deemed highly credible indicating al-Qaida or other terrorists are in the United States and preparing to launch a major attack this summer, The Associated Press has learned.

The intelligence does not include a time, place or method of attack but is among the most disturbing received by the government since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, according to a senior federal counterterrorism official who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity today.

Of most concern, the official said, is that terrorists may possess and use a chemical, biological or radiological weapon that could cause much more damage and casualties than a conventional bomb.

"There is clearly a steady drumbeat of information that they are going to attack and hit us hard," said the official, who described the intelligence as highly credible.

more

[arcane1]

1. fortunately, we caught Saddam, so there is no real danger here

:eyes:

thanks Bush

will this be considered an "historical document" too?

[keithyboy]

25. Just a coincidence that they are talking about a missle shell with sarin

I know this isn't just a stunt! And I am sure that THIS intelligence is much more credible than the intel we have been getting. That is besides saying that there will be an attack inside the US...saying it every month means that when it does happen the admin will say they warned us and were on top of thing. You know the old 'stopped clock' thingy.

[arcane1]

30. yep, and old, piece-of-shit shell 10 years past its shelf-life

that killed NO ONE

that's why we lost 800 soldiers, for that fucking shell

[wryter2000]

2. Oh, well...

The intelligence does not include a time, place or method of
attack

Oh well, then...there's nothing Bush or his employees can do about it. After all, they need a date, time, and location to take action.

[Tight_rope]

74. Terrorists are here! Wonder how they got here?

Geezz...isn't this just dandy. The US military and all of our money are in Iraq fighting the terrorists. :spank:

But now we hear that the terrorists are here and are planning to attack us. :evilgrin:

I guess "All Americans have been Drafted!" :beer: :grouphug:

I guess we all better go buy guns. I wonder if the Bushco will pass out fatigues? :shrug:
I guess the best part is that none of us has to go through boot-camp.:toast:

But how will we learn how to torture the terrorists after we capture them? :shrug:

[abracadabra]

124. Date: before Farenheit 911 hits theaters Place:Los Angeles

They already did the East Coast-
They wanna hit the West Coast.

my guess,
NOT right before elections.
DEFINITELY this summer right before the release of the Farenheit 911 movie.

The Bush crime family does not want people to see the Michael Moore movie for obvious reasons.

I'd bet they'd do just about anything to prevent people from knowing the truth.

AND, After the terra attack they can not only ban the movie but they can round up all opposition and send them to Gitmo...including Moore himself.

[Goose3five]

146. Thanks for the quote

I love that Truman quote, thanks.

[Sperk]

3. Of course they cant tell us they were totally clueless on the second

attack. What makes me think that they will have almost caught them this time. They were right on their heals. Evil bastards.

[jackstraw45]

4. So glad all those resources are in Iraq, financial and otherwise

Bush is TOAST if something happens.

[Massacure]

31. To hell with Bush, this entire country is toast if they detonate a WMD

Didn't FDR say something along the lines of "Don't change horses in the middle of a river"?

[prodigal_green]

55. saying update you'll see on DU

don't change horsemen in mid apocalypse.

[NYC]

58. If the horse you are riding is drowning in the river,

change.

[nodehopper]

71. you mean don't change horsemen in the middle of an apocalypse?

[Timefortruth]

62. No, he is Dictator. nt

[FleshCartoon]

5. I hate to be so suspicious of their motive...

...but is this just a way to get Bush's speeches back on prime-time network?

The problem is that we'll never know unless the shit hits the fan.

[Goose3five]

147. didn't want to be the first to say it...

As soon as I read this alert last night I thought "is this some kind of ploy by Rove to gain support for Bush?" I know this sounds conspiratorial but just look at this quote from Ashcroft today:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/terror/20040526-1100-terrorthreat.html

The withdrawal of Spanish troops from Iraq due to the political repercussions of the March 11 train bombings in Spain, Ashcroft added, could lead al-Qaeda to attempt to influence U.S. politics.

"Al-Qaeda may perceive that a large-scale attack in the United States this summer or fall could lead to similar consequences," Ashcroft said in remarks prepared for a news conference.

I seriously hope this is not the case but I would not put it past them.

[Citizen Daryl]

6. No election this year, sorry. n/t

[MikeG]

7. Isn't this about the one millionth time we've heard this.

Just once could someone in the media tell this unnamed source to shut the fuck up. Highly credible. Fuck you.

[progressivebydesign]

68. Perhaps I am too cynical...

But... suddenly I thought that perhaps the White House folks were putting this out there to show how UTTERLY prepared they are THIS time.. I started thinking, as I read that this is the most credible threat since 9/11, and that they've assigned new task forces, etc.. I honestly believe they would make this shit up for political reasons, as in, 'oh, look at us we're SOOO on top of this!' Then when it doesn't happen, aren't they the big heroes. Perhaps, we'll even have "proof" of an arrest near the election of some Middle Eastern people, purported to be the masterminds.. and that Bush saved our asses, and we need to be grateful by voting for him! If this is so damn important, why hasn' the terror level been raised? AND.. if the 9/11 intelligence and chatter was SO fucking important, WHY did they let it happen???????????

[0rganism]

116. Agreed. This is probably part of the buildup to the big "success" story

Really there's NO LIMIT to the number of terrorist attacks they can "stop" between now and November. Hundreds. Look, there's one! Get him!

"See how effective our new intelligence system is, thanks to the Patriot Act? How could you vote for anyone but the great safety provider bush?"

[T Bone]

101. is this more highly credible intelligence from Chalabi's papers that were

seized the other day? Probably just more Iranian mis-direction proffered up for the gullible, naive, and inept Bush administration neo-cons.

[Malva Zebrina]

8. Here we go---and it will continue all summer long

until the election I bet.

There is no one to blame for this but Bush the village idiot.

[aquart]

14. Thanks for destroying summer tourism, George.

And don't you dare bring down the NY subway system unless you plan to pay for it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

9. The boys who cried wolf. Ad nauseum.

[UpInArms]

33. yes, and remember

"Why of course the people don't want war. But it is the leaders who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." Hermann Goerring, Nazi Germany.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

:puke:

Me? I just hope that if an attack happens again on US soil, this POS's ratings on "the war on terror" reflect his absolute cluelessness.

[Speck Tater]

10. Another attack would be a HUGE embarassment to Bush

after he promised everyone he was going to protect us from terrorism. It would be seen as his biggest failure yet and the people would no longer tolera=te his adventures in Iraq when he should have be working to protect us here at home.

That's my take on it any way.

[maxrandb]

How Hard would it be for them to take some prisoners from Abu

Ghraib, transport them here, then majically arrest them as they were about to blow up a major football stadium or something?

Hell, they may even have * himself lasso the ring leader on prime-time TV just like Wonder Woman. (she was the sexiest super hero ever)

These folks will not go quietly. They've already proven that elections mean nothing to them.

[mulethree]

36. wonderwoman's lasso forced people to tell the truth

No way they'd ever let that within a mile of Bush.

No need to arrest them if they are already dead - say why does that ringleader have freezer-burn on his chin?

[maxrandb]

44. You're right

and here I thought it allowed Wonder Woman to make whoever was in the lasso do what she wanted. A woman with ropes controlling your every move.....Now that is sexy!

No way would they ever let the truth get close to *

[Skip Intro]

15. Likey spin, "We won't let the terrorists win like they did in Spain..."

The message being of course, that another attack makes voting for Kerry the same as "giving in" to the terrorists.

And it will go over about as well as "Mission Accomplished" did, imho.

[candy]

93. An attack would guarantee Bush the WH----IMHO

I just pray this is another false alarm!

[Kool Kitty]

105. The only way it guarantees Bush the WH is

if he declares martial law after an attack occurs, and cancels the election. Otherwise, if we get attacked again, the people just might think he and the rest of the misadministration don't know how to keep us safe. And that might mean that he finds his sorry ass out in the snow in January, 2005-looking for a ride back to Crawford.

[maddezmom]

11. AP prolly read Spazito's link on DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=580802&mesg_id=580802

Al-Qaeda boosted by Iraq war, warns think-tank
1 hour, 32 minutes ago Add World - AFP to My Yahoo!

LONDON (AFP) - The US-led war on Iraq (news - web sites), far from countering terrorism, has helped revitalise the Al-Qaeda terror network, the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) think-tank warned.

The London-based body said in its annual Strategic Survey 2003/2004 that the deadly train bombings in Madrid in March, the worst terror strike in Europe for more than a decade, showed that Osama Bin Laden's terror network "had fully reconstituted".

snip

But another legacy of the war was what the IISS termed a highly questionable recourse to pre-emptive strikes as a means of counter-proliferation, as well as "the uses and abuses of intelligence as a basis for military action."


The IISS said the United States, which has dominated world affairs since the end of the Cold War, had failed to understand that Al-Qaeda's September 11, 2001 attacks were "a violent reaction to America's pre-eminence" and it urged the superpower to temper "the appearance of American unilateralism".

more

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/iiss_world

[aquart]

16. Does Bush get a kickback as a recruiting agent?

He's done a helluva job.

[snippy]

46. Excellent question. Even Rummy wonders about that.

. . .
Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?
. . .
Is our current situation such that "the harder we work, the behinder we get"?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/executive/rumsfeld-memo.htm

[Just Me]

20. Hey, "maddezmom", *LOL*,...you're prolly right!!! n/t

[maddezmom]

24. Asscroft & Mueller are going to have joint news conf. tomorrow

accoding to CNNI. They also will be issueing alerts for specific people they believe are in the country. I just hope their intelligence is better on this than 9/11 and the guy in Oregon. :(

[Just Me]

53. Bah. They have lost "control", as well. Very interesting times,...

,...in "America".

I hope whole scope books will be written,...encompassing "whole" histories,...this time around.

I have a feeling,...that REAL history is being made,...for once and for all,...and to the GREAT benefit of humanity.

As "bad" as we have been,...we really are progressing,...even beyond our wildest dreams. We just have pull ourselves from the drama of a moment to divulge in the incredible fruits of time.

[crossroads]

34. "Failed to understand"

Sounds just like our commander in chief...
:kick:

[AndyTiedye]

57. In This Case, The One Crying "Wolf"...

IS the wolf!

[Miss Authoritiva]

12. This is like a medical diagnostic test that has

100% sensitivity and 0% specificity: all it tells you is that one unidentified cell out of your 400 trillion cells may be thinking about doing something malignant.

[Sporadicus]

13. It's About That Time Again

Isn't it about time for * to retreat to Dim Son Ranch for a month's vacation?

[Postman]

17. Quiet on the set !! "Operation Northwoods" take 2.....

Do you trust them?

I don't.

[Just Me]

18. At least, I, we, are more prepared,...actually "expecting" an event.

Amazing. I wonder if the neocons realized how their "campaign of fear" would actually water down the impact of the next "attack"?

I doubt it.

[onecent]

19. new intelligence deemed highly credible

"said the official".....Who is this official who is so highly credible?

I was wondering when this was going to be announced. Should have known it would be the day after our dumb president gives one of the poorest speeches of his career.

[asjr]

26. Probably Zell Miller

[Jim Sagle]

126. Credible Bush regime official = oxymoron

[ZenLefty]

21. Not specific enough

The intelligence does not include a time, place or method of
attack. bush will never take action on it. Better to go invade a country somewhere.

[onecent]

22. They must think John Q Public is totally STUPID!

Now WHY would some terrorist organization go to the TROUBLE to announce the intelligence does NOT include a time, place or method.
Wouldn't that be understandable?? Sounds bushy fishy to me.

[Timefortruth]

63. Um, John Q. Public will buy this hook, line and sinker.

It's good for a 4 point jump for chimp and the attack will knock him up another 20.

[Oreegone]

23. Wow

Wonder how much we are paying them?

[stepnw1f]

27. Great Job Bush

This is how a Republican government protects us!

[happynewyear]

28. a familiar cry

:dem: :kick:

[maddezmom]

32. yup, bad news, bad press conf, bad speech, bad "fall" from a bike

terryaists in the country...elevated alert.

[Catfight]

29. Guess I need to stock up on more duct tape and plastic. Hum...

what household item needs a boost in sales? I'm just glad my big strong cowboy president is going to protect me from all those evil do'rs. Just like he did when he got the memo for Al Quida. I'm sleeping like a baby knowing my planet will be here in the morning, soon to skew my view with pumping oil rigs off the Florida coast..WAHOO..I luvs them Bush Brothers.

[SpiralHawk]

35. Could this be the infamous "Black Wind of Death"?

From the BushCo Gang's friends at Faux news

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113972,00.html

E-Mail: Attack on U.S. '90 Percent Ready'

Thursday, March 11, 2004


CAIRO, Egypt — An Arabic newspaper said Thursday it had received a claim of responsibility for the Madrid train bombings issued in the name of Al Qaeda (search). The claim also said that a major attack against America was "90 percent ready."


The five-page e-mail claim, signed by the shadowy Brigade of Abu Hafs al-Masri (search), was received at Al-Quds al-Arabi's (search) London offices. It said the brigade's "death squad" had penetrated "one of the pillars of the crusade alliance, Spain," and carried out what it called Operation Death Trains.

(snip)

[Zhade]

43. "Operation Death Trains." Are you fucking KIDDING ME?

Some terrorists - can't even come up with the name for an operation that doesn't sound like some wannabe-CIA high school kid came up with it!

Even the use of the term 'operation' reveals "al Qaeda" as the (past?) creation of the CIA that it is.

[Just Me]

49. Bawhahahahahahaha!!! Oh, please,...stop it,...

,...stop doing "Saturday Night Live" on this circus,...and making my "very serious" soul giggle and explode.

[Zhade]

50. Hey, we could all use a laugh.

It's better than contemplating suicide!

(That's also a joke, btw.)

:D

[Just Me]

61. That wasn't funny. hmmpfff. n/t

[Zhade]

123. Sorry. I'm not always "on", I guess!

:)

[SmokingJacket]

159. Next big story: We Got 'Em!

Just wait: in a few weeks all these supposed terraists will be rounded up and then Asscrack will say, We foiled the biggest attack since 9-11!!

(yeah, and my anti-elephant spray is SO effective in keeping elephants out of my yard! Wanna buy some?!)

It's all an election stunt.

Putting people on this emotional roller coaster is so damn sleazy.

[bluestateguy]

37. I rallied around the president once before, I won't do it again

and a major terror attack in this country is not going to shut me up from criticizing the Baby Bush.

[ElementaryPenguin]

38. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove plan major attack on U.S. this summer

This was undoubtedly the original title for this article! Must have been a misprint.

:shrug:
:crazy:

[Jacobin]

39. Wait. Bush*s poll numbers are down.

Where's that graph someone did that tracked Terra Lerts to Bush*s poll numbers.

They coincide rather more than one would like to think they should.

:-(

[benfranklin1776]

112. Indeed. Mister 40 percent is plummeting like a stone.

Thus time to gin up the fear machine. "We don't know where when or how but just be afraid," the unnamed "highly placed important person" tells us ominously. Having far more specific information in the summer of 2001 they did nothing. Now having no specific information these Chicken Littles run to and fro shouting of impending doom. They are as predictable as flatulence after consumption of baked beans and equally odious. When Junior's poll numbers head south the terror alerts are as sure to follow as night after day or Halliburton executives after government contracts.

[crossroads]

40. Bush failed to plan

so he planned to fail!
:eyes:

[0007]

41. Is anyone keeping tract of these highly credible intelligence alerts?

I wish I wasn't so skeptical.

We've seen every color in the rainbow practically, and now the kids are wearing them as colored bracelets to denote their sexual preference. Some Catholic priest are going batty playing another game with who receives communion and who doesn't according to the color of a sash' one wears.

junior has indeed helped to turn this world upside down, or maybe it's just me?

[NeoConsSuck]

42. The same old NeoCon scare tactic..

stay afraid, citizens of America, and don't forget to VOTE REPUBLICAN!

Oh, and keep shopping also. And buy stocks.

[NMDemDist2]

45. whadda ya wanna bet Bushit will be on vacation when it happens? n/t

[teryang]

47. They are back to the shopping mall threat

Be on the lookout for Arab tourists being followed by Mossad Agents at your local mall.

Don't forget the scuba divers landing at the beach and the sabotage of local power stations.

Here we go again.

[The empressof all]

48. Terra, Terra, Terra,----War

They declare Marshall Law

In October

Suprise!

[sniffa]

51. oh god, i'm terrified!!

[sistersofmercy]

52. The misadministration can't possibly be stupid enough to let another

attack happen. I don't believe there would be a rallying around the pResident this time but if they stopped an attack there might be. I think there's going to be more inmates headed towards Gitmo. Just a hunch but my guess is, at just the right time, they'll spoil a supposed plot :eyes: .

[Myrina]

54. And of course all our military and money is in Iraq ...

... so there ain't shit the 'Homeland Security' department can do except remind us to get our duct tape and plastic sheeting. :eyes:

[Geo55]

100. duct tape

"so there ain't shit the 'Homeland Security' department can do except remind us to get our duct tape and plastic sheeting"

So....ahh....I should leave mine up ?

[NMDemDist2]

127. ROFL eom

[ronnykmarshall]

56. Somthin gonna happen!

Somthin' gonna happen!!


Quick! Vote for Bush, cuz somthin' gonna happen!

[RaRa]

59. If they're smart they will

Of course they want shrub to stay in office. No one else plays into their hands like this idiot. So, even though most of us here would think/say (after such an attack) "vote this a-hole out - 2nd attack on his watch", the sheeple will likely cower and submit. Disgusting state we're in.

[al bupp]

86. The Tar-Baby Principal at Work

Nothing racist intended, simply the notion that one tends to "stick" to (even become like) what one opposes.

Nonetheless, it's staggering the degree to which the shrub admin's actions have had the unintended (I believe, though some wonder about that) effect of giving al-Qaeda huge incentives for recruitment, not to mention opportunities for direct attack.

[Coujeaux]

60. Is this why there are Isreali movers roaming...?

I wonder what's going on? I'm not prejudice or racist or even anti-semitic. I'm just a little paranoid about a group of people hanging around places they shouldn't be at and not have a solid story to tell when they're caught.

I think those Isreali movers are the ones planning something and Bush knows it because he's in on it.

I'm certain soemthing will happen only because Bush thinks it will send his number straight up to 100%. It will either happen around the release of Farenheit 9/11 or a few weeks before the election.

I've never been skeptical of my government until Bush screwed things up.

Jason

[Jim Warren]

69. You mean the ones....

with the out of date passports, expired tourist (not work) visas and the the trucks lettered with: Mossad Movers, you'll likud our work and you'll likud our prices.

Nah, move along, nothing to see here.

[nodehopper]

72. got any more anti-semitic puns there?

[Jim Warren]

75. Hahaha

Oh, you're serious?

What a reach:eyes:

[al bupp]

80. Technically, it was an anti-likud pun...

...but then confusing the two makes it easy to dismiss the serious implications, no?

[qwertyMike]

85. Anti Semitic????

duh

[al bupp]

89. LOL!

qwertyMike Tagline: "I'm a mnmist"

As opposed to "I'm a cosmo-expanding-anarcho-syndicalist-disestablishmentarian", I suppose.

Gotta get me a tagline...

[minkyboodle]

108. got any more bullshit accusations?

[mmm]

161. You mean 'anti-Semitic,' do you not?

Failing to capitalize the 'S' in Semitic seems downright.....
anti-Semitic! True, I do not capitalize the 'z' in zionism
but that is because I revile Sharon's likud brand of zionism
(anti-Humanism).
If that situation ever reverses, look for the return of the capital 'Z.' Good day.

[mountainvue]

87. Dude

that was funny.:P

[BeHereNow]

117. WELCOME TO DU!

DU minds think alike-
My very first thought as well...
all the "moving vans" near NUCLEAR sites.
Pay no mind to the "support Israel no matter what"
crowd here. Facts are, the moving vans full
of Israelis is just too weird- especially when
you recall the story of the ones shooting
video of the twin towers on 911 and celebrating
as thousands died.

As an analyst I respect encourages us to ask-
"In whose interest?"

BHN

[BeHereNow]

118. WELCOME TO DU!

DU minds think alike-
My very first thought as well...
all the "moving vans" near NUCLEAR sites.
Pay no mind to the "support Israel no matter what"
crowd here. Facts are, the moving vans full
of Israelis is just too weird- especially when
you recall the story of the ones shooting
video of the twin towers on 911 and celebrating
as thousands died.

As an analyst I respect encourages us to ask-
"In whose interest?"

BHN

[FlaGranny]

131. I seem to remember

a big dust-up about Israeli spies in the US about 20-30 years ago. I think they were just deported, but no doubt some are still at work (we probably have a few in Israel as well). One has to think that if Israel is anything at all like the United States, it will do whatever it deems necessary for its own security and survival. So it would be naive to completely discount the possibilities.

[freeforall]

64. If they know terrorists are in the US...

Sounds like another LIHOP or MIHOP set-up to me. If they know there are terrorists in the country, they better f***ing pay attention and get them beforehand. Makes me wonder how they know this.

"U.S. officials have obtained new intelligence deemed highly credible indicating al-Qaida or other terrorists are in the United States and preparing to launch a major attack this summer...."

Yep, the public needs another distraction, so that the election can be called off. Bush's approval rating down, Iraq war going badly, so let's produce another terra-ist scare.

[progressivebydesign]

65. Why does Al-Quaida want to hurt us?

I really don't understand... The majority of us do not approve of Bush, and he is the one making the policies detrimental to Arab countries.. why do they want to kill the citizens? I never understood that.... I disagree with everything Bush does, and yet I face the threat of death every time they release these warnings.

[Zhade]

125. Excellent question!

Something that would seem to catch "al Qaeda's" eye: that those who disagree with the policies that drive Osama bin Laden to attack us (our one-sided support of Israel no matter what, plus our military might in Middle Eastern countries propping up dictatorships) have no affect on our government.

What's more, and this is key:The b*sh administration especially, and the United States government in general, really does not care about the citizens.

We are not so valued to the Powers-That-Be that they would concede to any terrorist's demands - and they really would not mourn our loss much if "al Qaeda" killed us. How do I know? We had September 11th, and not only did the government as a whole get right back to work ripping us off and taking our rights away, they ramped up the usual effort, with even some fairly liberal Democrats assisting in the screwing (Patriot Act, IWR, etc).

We are expendable in the eyes of the government.

I find it impossible to believe that a savvy terrorist like bin Laden would not see this now and realize that killing America's citizens simply won't work, because our deaths do not move the government much.

It's a disturbing thought, but I feel it is, unfortunately, true.

[Liberal Gramma]

130. I can think of better targets

such as PNAC headquarters and any number of Repug "think tanks" (oxymoron?) if policy change is the objective, but perhaps the terrorists are shrewd enough to realize that if powerful people are targeted, the government might respond with precision and actually take out the instigators. If it's just some of us ordinary Americans, any response will do as long as it looks like they're doing something.

[Zhade]

139. True. Plus, why take out PNAC?

That particular group is turning out to be a gold mine recruitment-wise for al Qaeda.

Terrorists would prefer b*sh STAY in power. He's the best thing that ever happened to them!

[mmm]

160. Question:Why does Al'Qaida spend so much time cold chillin' with Allah?

If there are so many 'Qaida operatives and they are so organized why aren't travelers from Israel and the US being picked off worldwide?
Why is there no overt 'terrorism' in this country?
Are these the kind of Al 'Qaida who spend all day cold chillin'
with Allah and never get down to business?
This is a big country with open borders.
If you believe these guys have the wherewithal to
orchestrate 911 (I do not) you gotta wonder, why don't they
hit us again and again in a hundred different ways.
Allah knows, we got it coming.

If you are going to play by your own rules, as the US claims of 'Qaida, why would you engage US soldiers in open combat, as we
claim happens in Iraq?
If the goal is to destroy, disrupt and terrorize by any means possible, why not take the war to the heartland of the US or to those
countries where vacationing US citizens and zionists are easy targets?
Such operations could be carried out in complete anonymity
with little or no chance of recourse.

If you would shoot a US soldier then duck and cover, why
not create havoc in the US in anonymity; obviously they don't always
feel the need to die in the act. And what of those less intense
disciples who wish to destroy the US and Israel but have no taste
for instant martyrdom, what are they up to?

Terrorism: Bush's BIG lie

[are_we_united_yet]

66. Cough Cough Bullsh#t! Cough Cough

[Tight_rope]

67. Didn't buy "duct tape then and I won't now!....So stop crying wolf!

I'm so sick and tired of the neo-cons playing with American minds. I'm going to take this as serious as I take this below.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.praesentia.us%2Farchives%2Fdishonestdubya.html

It's just hilarious. What will they come up with next

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

70. How con-ven-ient. Looking for some fear to serve as a distraction.

Time to scare the populace and help prop up our failing leader. Textbook Nazi shit.

JB

[Cocoa]

73. this is how they're handling the Mayfield scandal

scaring us into not asking any questions.

[davsand]

76. AM I the only one seeing the admission of failure for 9/11 here?

"...the most disturbing received by the government since the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, according to a senior federal counterterrorism official..."

So, let me get this straight--9/11 happened after you got "disturbing" intel, and you sat on your collective asses and did nothing (except maybe help it along.) You wailed that you had no way of knowing what they were gonna do. NOW you are telling me you had "disturbing" info then--just like you have now????

Which is it? Either you knew it was coming and did squat, or else you ignored intel warnings and let our people die.

Gawd, they are such rat bastards.


Laura

[al bupp]

104. Good Point

My money's on they were too incompetent to do anything, although, I do have nagging questions about why the scrambled fighters flew at about 1/3 speed from Cape Cod to NY on 9/11.

(See Cooperative Research: Summary of US fighter jets' response on 9/11)

Calling them rat bastards demeans unwed rodents, IMHO.

[leesa]

77. Yada, yada, yada....the terrorists are in the White House

[TankLV]

78. But this has absolutely NOTHING to do with bunkerboy's low poll numbers!

Right?

Just another in a string of amazing cooincidences!

[mmonk]

79. Is it real?

or is it Memorex? With the administration, only time will tell. What is real information and what is bogus? Can't tell from this crowd in charge.

[will work 4 food]

81. If this does happen, Marshall Law will be declared

There is no election under ML, Bush will have his dictatorship. Now who is behind this if it happens? Al Queda? OR..........

[Don_G]

82. Give Me A Fookin' Break

Since when does "intellegence" matter with Dimbo and since when does "his" concern fail to make him and his bloody friends a million per announcement?

"News" at eleven...in Australia during a Roo-shearing contest.

[Algorem]

83. all 3 local 11pm "news" shows here made a huge deal out of this krr-rapp

[dusty64]

84. Isn't this timing interesting.

Another vague terra alert, WOW our regime has stripped our Constitution bare and STILL not made us one bit safer. Instead they have created thousands of new terrorists that hate us more than ever, good going chimp.
PS. I am VERY suspicious of these so called alerts and really fear the regime in Washington more than anyone else.

[Algorem]

88. They said Asscrock to have 11am news conference tomorrow on this

"breaking news".

[JayS]

90. We busted a Pakistani the other day, here illegally, trying to buy...

...silencers and detonators.

Sleep tight, y'all! :)

[Algorem]

92. probably earplugs and matches

[JayS]

94. No, it was the real deal. There have been others lately too. n/t

n/t

[ngGale]

121. LOL You are the one that I thought about when this...

stupid story broke today. I knew you said there was a problem. Oh Yeah! The media finally broke down and put a little Nichols trial on today.

You sleep tight as you made this terra attack a little more real for me. LOL

[JayS]

129. Stupid story? You mean stupid story like Muslims taking...

...flying lessons? Is there any wonder that 911 happened?

That is good that the media finally covered a little of Nichols' trial. Too bad they did not report anything of substance.

Think of me when some nutcase detonates some more ANFO, will you?

[ngGale]

152. If and when we have a terror attack...

you will have been my creditable source. Sorry, didn't mean stupid in that way, just the fear factor is more than I can take. I'm ready for sunshine.

I did see the list today and most are already in this country. One from California, etc. Don't think those are the ones you spoke of, I figure your story is the best one.

[crossroads]

91. Gee... I can't imagine why!!? What'd US (Bush) do???

:shrug:

[jokerman93]

95. So would this be plan X33-21c K-K-K-Karl?

So the first thing you have to ask yourself is which one of Karl Rove's contingency plans will go into effect if something like this happens? I expect these guys have literally engineered scores of back up plans full of political dirty tricks for all kinds of unthinkable scenarios.

It would be unimaginable if they didn't have some dirty tricks ready to dust off in the event of a horrendous, and shocking terror event like the one they've been foreshadowing in the media-script so far.

Will it be power, or communications, disrupted perhaps in a way that might delay or effect the election? Or will it merely be another horrendous pattern interrupt in the national psyche that will make us once again psychologically vulnerable to a whole new season of lies?

I worry, but will refuse to be afraid.

[jokerman93]

96. mmm Someone stop me!!!!

Or how about we get a scene by scene cliffhanger of how Bush's new America defeats the terrorist threat, and although only a liberal population was tragically effected, it could have been far, far worse!

:party: :tinfoilhat:

Lets start a tinfoil party and figure out all the ways a bunch of unprincipled criminals could cynically take political advantage of a real terrorist event in America!

Exception:
You may not include use of a national guard for martial law, 'cuz our boys and girls are otherwise occupied in the cause of plunder elsewhere. This plan has to be cynical and manipulative, and use fear, confusion, and ignorance as weapons -- the way these guys always do what they do.

[truthisfreedom]

97. rove firing up the ol' fear factory. gotta manufacture a bunch of new fear

because the old fear wore off already.

bushco uses the same tactics on us as they created for use in abu ghraib. they pick what they know will get to us the most, the security of our everyday lives, and they threaten it randomly whenever it seems we might be vulnerable to it again. it's just another form of torture and intimidation to attempt to control the vote. that's it.

i think in the back of every American's mind there's a little voice that says "hey, if we oust bush and company, i bet all of this terror stuff will quiet down, because people won't hate us as much. then maybe we can start being nice to other countries again, instead of acting alternately like a bully or a sullen child."

ok, i'm giving the back of everyone's minds too much credit. but you know what i mean.

[JayS]

98. The AP has already been running...

...plenty; it just gets ignored. It can be pointed to by Bush at a later time though. This is typical Rovian tactics....

[jokerman93]

102. I think that way

You nailed it for me. I definitely have that little voice going. It's the only way I can emotionally manage the chaos they've plainly unleashed on us.

[jokerman93]

99. (Tinfoil Party) Another Karl Rove Mastermind Plan

Israel invades Palestine. (Planned with Sharon.)

Chaos.

Fundie CINO's become an army of willing zombies thinking the Kingdom is at hand. Terror attack at home. Complete pattern interrupt. Most people will do what they are told.

Bush says, "I told you so."

Bush looks directly into the camera, and get's elected.

[Tellurian]

103. All together now...DIVERSION...DISTRACTION...

Cover for the mortally wounded president..

Uh- yeah, he fell of his bicycle Sunday...

[Sentath]

136. DI-Version! DIStraction! DIS-In-Formation!

Cool, that makes a good chant rhythm. Almost like the old Laverne & Shirley theme song ( :

{rlg}

On Topic PS: I don't give a #C(|< what the terra-lert color is or what these fools say any more. They've gone way past the point of making me jump when they 'cry wolf', I just go straight to pissed.

[goforit]

106. Wag the Dog with the help of Israelis?..................hmmmm

Who wants advise about terrorist from corrupt US intelligence!!!!

Well we know you guys are the first to commit the travesty!!!

Polls are down, eh?.....

Just a little shock and awe to cure what ails ya, eh?

Schmucks,...nuttin but schmucks, y'all are!!!(Bush Cabal that is)

[minkyboodle]

107. Here's a question

We all know how the repubs love to brag about the fact that we haven't had a strike here in the US since 9/11 well say this happens. Will they modify Meatloafs 2 out 3 ain't bad to 2 out of 4 years without an attack ain't bad?

[Kool Kitty]

109. When is this supposed to take place?

Or haven't they decided, I mean, learned when? Ummm, let me guess-New York City-week of the repub convention? Or Boston-week of the Democratic convention?

[JayS]

110. Based on recent events here...

...I bet they know exactly what is planned.

[Kool Kitty]

111. Recent events where?

What do you mean?

[JayS]

113. Texas, and to a large degree Oklahoma.

We busted a very well-educated Pakistani man last week in Tyler who was here illegally and was trying to buy twenty silencers and some detonators. There have also been some odd thefts and some caches of machine guns, real ones, not the "assault weapon" stuff, have been found.

[Kool Kitty]

114. Well, damn.

Be careful. Seriously.

[Art_from_Ark]

115. The guy had been living in Gun Barrel City

Maybe he thought that was the ideal place to buy gun stuff?

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2566335

At any rate, I thinks the folks in Texas and Oklahoma have more to fear from the home-grown loonies.

[JayS]

128. The problem here is that the home grown loonies will...

...work with whoever shares their goals. This guy wanted detonators so who knows what he had planned.

[Art_from_Ark]

132. An interesting point

Could he have hooked up with some of the local loony militants in Gun Barrel City? And could they have set him up to buy that stuff for them (as an initiation rite, etc.)? Seems like it might be win-win for them, since if he's successful they get more stuff to add to their arsenal, while if he gets caught, no one would believe that he would be associated with a militant white supremacy group, so they get off the hook.

Far-fetched?

[JayS]

133. Sadly, not far-fetched at all, Art_from_Ark. McVeigh said...

...things similar to this in his writings and interviews. The saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" applies here all too well.

[JayS]

138. kick

[sofa king]

119. Let's not confuse the incompetence of our leader with that of ourselves.

I don't believe a thing that comes out of that snake's mouth, but I do believe the FBI and other agencies when they claim they have successfully thwarted recent attempted acts of domestic terrorism.

It's total tomfoolery to suggest that it can't happen here. It has, and it's been going on for a long time.

Increasingly, our state and local law enforcement has realized that this is everyone's problem, and that Homeland Security bullshit aside, nobody is really doing anything on the federal level to stop it. It's our job now, 'cause they can't do it and won't fund it. I can guarantee you nobody is going to break into the Mellon-Scaife estate and attack that. Nevertheless your tax cut to the Scaifes and others like them ensures we don't have the funds to protect at least two dozen places on our borders which can be easily be infiltrated through legislative error--or perhaps, intention.

There have been at least six bills and perhaps three dozen pages devoted to the Congressional Record exposing the leaks. They've already caused one false alarm which was used to swing the 2002 elections. You find the holes, fuckers, 'cause I can't do my job anymore and I'm just waiting for the balloon to go up. I'm not going to help you, because I suspect "the terrorists" are just as stupid as Republicans, and they're not going to see it or listen to it, either.

Nevertheless, the people on the ground know that they're all alone and have to figure it out for themselves. You can count on them to do their best, which at this point I would rate a solid 50-50 chance of stopping it in most places. Your government at work.

[Emillereid]

120. Can the Bushits really get away with this twice?

Ok, so the first time people were too shocked and patriotic to ask real questions and rallied round their president. But another time -- won't people get a little curious about the coincidence of it all -- just in time to boost Bush's sagging poll numbers; alternatively won't people hold him responsible for not securing the country -- I mean he boasts all the time about how he's got al Qaida on the run, etc. I mean like he's the 'war president' and all. I wonder if they're going to hit California in an attempt to win it's electoral votes? Am I cynical or what? Stuck inside a mobile with the Memphis blues again -- I've got to get outa here!!!

[DemocraticEnigma]

122. Uggh...

I can't even begin to fathom the consequences of another terrorist attack *in* the US. Along with the human toll and all the political repercussions, as a Muslim, I'm terrified to think of the kind of backlash that there's going to be if something like that happens. I think the sentiment is already there, the spark is needed to make things go wild. People were patient after 9/11, I don't think they will be if something happens again, God Forbid.

[wabeewoman]

134. Wait a minute....

Yesterday this was the headline at NYT:
"Contradicting news reports Tuesday saying that new information pointed to a specific threat, the officials said Mr. Ashcroft and Mr. Mueller had no new intelligence to suggest that an attack was being planned or that preparations were under way.Instead, the officials said they would issue a new call for public awareness and ask again for the public's help in apprehending suspected terrorists who have long been sought by the F.B.I. and whose names are on the bureau's Web site."
snip
"I can confirm that we have seen for the past several weeks a continuous stream of reporting that talks about the possibility of attacks on the United States," Mr. Ridge said on "Today." But he said the flow of information was "not unlike what we've seen for the past several years."

There was also some information about this being release to get peoples attention in order to kick off a new public awareness campaign. (there are several threads in General Discussion about this-I just found this one which links to this source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30312
Meanwhile, others like Reuters and NBC are reporting:

A senior level official -- who didn't want to be identified -- told The Associated Press that "a steady drumbeat of information" indicates terror groups in the United States have plans to -- in the official's words -- "hit us hard."

The Associated Press has learned that U.S. officials have obtained new intelligence deemed highly credible that indicates terrorists in the U.S. are preparing to launch a major attack this summer.
A senior counterterrorism source said the intelligence is among the most disturbing received by the government since Sept. 11, 2001.
http://www.nbc5.com/news/3346122/detail.html??z=dp&dpswid=1167317&dppid=65172

So the NYT just yesterday said the didn't ask tough questions about Iraq. Where are the questions about this conflicting info and haven't they been burned enough by quoting 'senior administration officials?" I swear they think we are stupid!

[neuvocat]

135. Gee George, thanks for failing to protect us.

While I'm at it, is it possible that this will happen in some as-of-yet-unnamed, large, very historic city in New England around late July,would it?

[devinsgram]

137. Well, we caught Saddam

and supposedly that made us safer, so where's the threat.

How did they get here? We have been told repeatedly that * and company are doing their jobs and keeping us safer, after all he's the wartime resident, so why all the fuss.

Seems to me it's the other way around. * is not doing his job and not keeping us safe. If he was doing what he should be doing, there wouldn't be this problem at all.

[Cooley Hurd]

140. I'm sorry, but I get an overwhelming feeling that we're being played...

...by the political advisors and military civilians in the WH, and it's really starting to piss me off! :grr::grr::grr:

They can't win the election fair and square, so they have to fuck with OUR SUMMER and OUR RIGHT TO ELECT OUR LEADERS IN THE FALL??

[chookie]

141. "Intent on disrupting US elections"

They implied that Al Qaeda was trying to disrupt the election. Why? Because they were "emboldened" by "their success" in Spain earlier this year.

Message: Al Qaeda is TERRIFIED of George W Bush. They want an appeasing pussy like John Kerry in power, so they can go ahead with their plan to install an homosexual Islamic Communist government in the US.

The Spanish people gave in to Al Qaeda's threats by throwing out the American puppet president. Red blooded Americans must not make this same mistake, and instead should show resolve, as to prevent the Muslim Holocaust on Christians and Jews.

(Um, I hope it's clear that these paragraphs address the "spin" of the Bush administration, and not my beliefs....)

Ooops -- they seem to have gotten the facts wrong -- the Spanish people did not vote out Aznar because they were terrified of Al Qaeda -- but because Aznar LIED to them about who was responsible for the Madrid train bombing. Ashcroft is hoping that most Americans don't remember this....

My conclusion: latest round of TERRA! TERRA! TERRA! alerts is more bullshit, or at the very least is meant to persuade us that terrorists wish to influence the US elections, as to oust their greatest enemy, Crusader Bush. So -- in order to fight evil Doers, we must fight our impulse to send Whistle Ass back to Crawford -- right? I think this is the message they wanted us to get out of this little event today.

I ask: what the HELL does Al Qaeda give a shit about American elections? I don't think they give a shit WHO IS president, nor do they choose symbolic dates. They strike when they are ABLE to strike, and they do not care who among us they kill.

The idea that Al Qaeda thinks they can influence our elections is bullshit. However, it is logical and feasible to imagine that the Bush administration WANT Al Qaeda to strike before the election, so His Chimperial Highness can run on fighting terra once again -- because, having lost the war on terra, all that boy has to run on these days is Gay Marriage.

[Goose3five]

148. no arguments here...

If this is such a huge threat why are they not raising the alert level? As a matter of fact, why is this story not listed at all on the Department of Homeland Security website?

http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/

[Darranar]

142. Bush's poll numbers are down. n/t

[Stuckinthebush]

143. Let me get this straight...

We have reason to believe based on "chatter" from unidentifiable sources that someone wants to hurt us badly and is planning to do it sometime within the next few months. We don't know who, what, where, when, or how, but we are pretty sure that it is possible that this may happen because people hate us for our freedoms.

Don't let the terrorists win! Go buy some stuff.

[KansDem]

144. Are they finally "connecting the dots...???"

This administration seems to have a lot of trouble with intelligence (bad intelligence prior to 9/11; bad intelligence for the Iraq war; etc).

I think the only intelligence problem lies between the ears of the White House squatter...

[freeminder]

145. "terror operatives in U.S. for major attack"

and they are in the WH.

[digno dave]

149. If w are attacked, how will Kerry slam Bush

for diverting our attention away from al queda when he supported the Iraq War?
Ideally, that would be the argument, unfortunately our candidate will not be able to use it.

[They_LIHOP]

150. Unfortunately, a very logical 'target' approaches...

THey are expecting 200K people at the WWII Memorial Dedication this weekend.

Many are, obviously, the surviving soldiers from the war fought by the 'greatest generation' (its arguably true that they were just that...) against the most obvious 'evil' we've ever known in our times.

Can you imagine the blow to our national psyche if that event were hit by terra-ists, and they were all taken out somehow? How PISSED America would be?

I hate to say what a perfect target it is, cause I REALLY would hate for anything like that to happen.

But, hey, looking on the bright side - if it did happen, we all know how much bushco love to take care of our veterans, right? Well, what a huge load off the VA payrolls THAT kind of event would be!

(sorry, just had to go there...)

[The Blue Knight]

151. We got Saddam. So what's the problem?

I thought the war in Iraq would secure us from this terrahist threat?

[notadmblnd]

162. DC should be the safest place in the country

If they are incapable of protecting the Capitol, then they all need to be lined up and shot for treason.

[Seabiscuit]

153. *NEW* Intelligence????

This is just a rehash of vintage garbage the White House has known about for years - e.g. so-and-so was last seen in the Boston vicinity in early 1992. They're just publishing faces. It's bullshit.

Nothing but an attempt to distract the American public from the catastrophes besetting Dubya & Co.'s distastrous policies which are finally coming home to roost over the past 2 months. The Karl Roves are so desperate they think they can win this election if they try to scare the bejesus out of every American with such phony "news" items -since they are in total panic mode as to what to do with all the caca raining down on their collective heads. They've now begun to reap what they've sown, and it's showing in all the polls.

Look, Clark, in his book, has said everyone in Washington has known for year and years there are al-queda operating in this country with plans to do their worst. This is absolutly nothing new.

So where's the orange alert if it's so new and supposed to be so damned scary???

Just consider the timing. That's all you need to pay attention to.

:eyes:

[JayS]

154. See #113 n/t

n/t

[bushisanidiot]

155. AWOL Bush FAILED to protect us on 9/11 and has failed AGAIN

in allowing terrorists to come into this country and plan another major attack>

CAN WE PLEASE GET A COMPETENT PRESIDENT IN THE WHITE HOUSE SOME TIME THIS DECADE??!!!!

[JayS]

157. "allowing terrorists to come into this country"

It sounds like they have been here for quite some time, even before Bush assumed the Presidency.

[bushisanidiot]

158. Bush Sr. Probably Flew Them In On His Personal Jet

you know.. the one he flies his Saudi friends and the Bin Ladens around on??

[maddezmom]

156. yup, nabbed one in NJ

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x585971