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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:17 PM
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Cheney Slams Kerry for Patriot Act Doubts
June 1, 2004, 5:45 PM EDT


KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Vice President Dick Cheney, echoing his boss' defense of the Patriot Act, on Tuesday criticized Democrat John Kerry for expressing doubts about the anti-terrorism law.

"The Patriot Act has been crucial to many of our successes. Yet Senator Kerry has chosen this moment, after these victories, to share his second thoughts on the Patriot Act," Cheney told about 500 supporters at a campaign stop.

The four-term Massachusetts senator voted for the law and praised it when it passed. Kerry's campaign has said he wants a new Patriot Act, which is also supported by some Republicans in the Senate, that would fix provisions of the act that lawmakers view as problematic, while keeping parts that help the war on terror.

The Bush-Cheney campaign released an ad last week that claimed Kerry's call for changes in the law amounted to a flip-flop on a national security issue and argued that the Democratic presidential candidate had been pressured by fellow liberals. There is no evidence Kerry changed his views based on outside groups.

Cheney told the crowd the Patriot Act is a "good law" that "has done nothing to diminish our liberty. It has helped us to defend our liberty."

more...................

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-cheney,0,2212368.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:20 PM
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1. Have you no shame sir
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:23 AM
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32. President Cheney= Chicken Hawk Draft Dodger
Liar, Thief, War Criminal

On Edit; that about sums it up
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:21 PM
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2. How many times and in how many ways can it be said that this man is
pure, unadulterated EVIL.

I am so sick and tired of this bunch of a******** talking down to me like I'm and idiot. That's what they do, you know. They talk down to us and bully and that's how they get their way. And that's how they get away with the lies, murders, theft...
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:22 PM
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3. we need to do a sneak and peek at Cheney's office
see what Dick is up to.

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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:23 PM
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4. Hey Dick!
Why don't you go to Hell where you belong???? :mad:

Jenn
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:28 PM
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5. Cheney the DICK
:thumbsdown:
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:35 PM
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6. Oh really, Dick?
Cheney told the crowd the Patriot Act is a "good law" that "has done nothing to diminish our liberty. It has helped us to defend our liberty."

Dick, you might want to check with Brandon Mayfield and his family:

FBI examiner at fault in Madrid bombing fingerprint mistake

SEATTLE - It appears this isn't the first time an FBI examiner who was working on the Spain train bombings made a mistake in identifying fingerprints of someone.

Court records show retired FBI agent John Massey mistakenly identifed Portland-area lawyer Brandon Mayfield as the source of fingerprints.

The Seattle Times is reporting today that records show Massey was reprimanded three times for errors between 1969 and 1974. That includes twice for false fingerprint identifications.

FBI officials have promised an independent investigation into the misidentification of Mayfield.

more: http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=67845

So, Dick, there aren't ANY questions here worth, um, questioning?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:54 PM
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10. The scary thing about Mayfield's case.. and the Patriot Act..
... is that the family called the police twice when they realized that someone had been in their house while they were gone. Twice the deadbolt was locked.. when the family usually only locks the bottom lock. I read this in the regional papers. SO..the Patriot Act (I hate that name!), allows them to come into your house while you're away... and you may never know it, unless you are taken into custody. The Act allows that.. I also wonder how the agents locked a deadbolt if they didn't have a key.. or did they? That's just freaky.

I hate that name, the "Patriot Act", that was a stroke of Rovian's brilliant political mind. Call it something that would bite the ass of any Democrat that tried to fight it.. thus seeming unpatriotic. Rove is running our country.. isn't he?
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 06:59 AM
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22. Interesting details to that case. Thanks. eom
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:48 AM
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25. A lock-picker can lock as well as unlock
A door lock contains the cylinder that holds the key, a handful of pins in the body of the lock that keep the cylinder from turning, a handful of pins in the cylinder that push the body pins out of the way, and the bolt that goes into the door frame.

A key pushes the cylinder pins up into the body pins. If it is a key that pushes the tops of the cylinder pins exactly to the edge of the cylinder, so the body pins will be out of the way when the cylinder rotates, but not over (therefore letting them catch on the body-pin holes), the cylinder will turn and let you into the house.

I am not going to tell you how to pick a lock mainly because if I did, all y'all would be out there picking your way into your local Freepers' houses to leave big stacks of John Kerry literature on all the tables and changing their homepages to either Bartcop or Symbolman's "Bush is Not a Nazi, So Stop Saying That."

(Helpful household hint one: all of the locks sold at hardware stores have a five-digit number on the back of the package; when buying locks for your home, match those numbers and you will be able to use the same key to open all your locks.)

(Helpful household hint two: if you use babysitters, pet sitters, or anyone else who needs a key to your house, change your locks every year and every time you change service personnel. Everyone else needs to change their locks every two years. It is way too easy to get a key made.)

(Helpful household hint three: Hardware store locks suck.)

Probable Patriot Act No-Notification Entry Procedure requires that the entry technician pick your locks open when they arrive, then hand-lock the entry lock and pick the deadbolt closed when they arrive.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:36 PM
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7. "The Patriot Act has been crucial to many of our successes"
truer words were never spoken!! :grr:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:51 PM
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9. Yes, Cheney is quite the Pats Act snuggler..
whenever a subpoena (for whatever reason) is issued to the WH, Cheney snuggles up quite nicely to the Natl Security Threat provision in the Pats Act... and cries..*boo-hoo*..."immunity"-

When will Cheney, Bush and the whole fan damily be designated government hijackers, openly operating as domestic terrorists?

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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:47 PM
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8. patriot act
And the United States has gone on for over 200 years without it
until.................GW Bush and Dickhead Cheney
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 06:57 PM
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11. Oh, DICK,...are you talkin' about that ACT that KILLS liberty and freedom?
Can I use that ACT against you and reveal your dealings in energy and oil and mercs? If I can use it to reveal your secret dealings, then I have no problems whatsoever in having to reveal mine which are angelic in comparison.

Let me KILL your LIBERTY and FREEDOM,...first,...then, we can negotiate you intruding upon and limiting mine. <asswipe>
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PSU84 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:02 PM
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12. Bush is ignorant, but...
...Cheney is EVIL.

bush cheney rumsfeld ashcroft = famine pestilence war death
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:51 AM
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27. You have your horsemen mixed up. Again.
Cheney is Famine.
Ashcroft is Pestilence
Rumsfeld is War
Bush is Death

Poor deluded Grantland Rice. He thought the Horsemen were football players. Silly him.
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FleshCartoon Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:08 PM
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13. If I was Cheney...
Edited on Tue Jun-01-04 07:09 PM by FleshCartoon
...I'd lay low with the Halliburton emails floating around. I sure as hell wouldn't be drawing any unnecessary attention to myself.

But, go ahead, Dick--and I call you that in the fondest way, of course--whatever you want to do to help elect Kerry is all right with me. :thumbsup:
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:15 PM
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14. How has it helped? How?
Oh, I forgot.

Top secret, right?

I could go to jail just for asking, right?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:27 PM
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15. Kerry should propose one small change to the Patriot Act
Rename it the Totalitarian Act. I can understand why the Dick Cheney's of this country love it....as long as they are on the prosecutorial end of it. Perhaps Kerry will use the act to start a real investigation on the BFEE. That would be the ultimate irony- using it to bring the fascists to justice.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 07:52 PM
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16. What interesting timing
I heard over the weekend that Cheney would be making a speech today attacking Kerry. They didn't say what the topic would be, but isn't it interesting that the attack is about the Patriot Act, ON THE SAME DAY AS THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST JOSE PADILLA ARE SPLASHED IN THE NEWS?

Something tells me Cheney knew the Padilla stuff was going to be released, and he chose today to try to make political points against Kerry.
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Tamiati Donating Member (146 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:17 PM
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17. Veiled in the Patriot Act
What better way than to cloak yourself by the premise of "protecting" your country, when you are still just Big Brother ?

I imagine they feel pretty "righteous" & "Just" & trying to look out for us who are so stoopid huh??

Thanks, but I can look myself in the mirror and don't need any "big brother" looking at me..
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:19 PM
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18. Since Cheney Won't Disclose His Info
I won't disclose mine. Fuck you Cheney!
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 08:26 PM
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19. ACLU summary of the Patriot Act
From the website of the American Civil Liberties Union

Surveillance Under the USA PATRIOT Act

What is the USA PATRIOT Act?

Just six weeks after the September 11 attacks, a panicked Congress passed the "USA/Patriot Act," an overnight revision of the nation's surveillance laws that vastly expanded the government's authority to spy on its own citizens, while simultaneously reducing checks and balances on those powers like judicial oversight, public accountability, and the ability to challenge government searches in court.

Read more.

This police-state enabling act needs to be repealed immediately.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:28 PM
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20. If Cheney was a real patriot, he wouldn't have pretended ...

to be a resident of Wyoming while he was living in Texas, with a Texas drivers license, filing taxes using a Texas address: the Texas electoral votes shouldn't have counted in 2000, since both the Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates were really residents of Texas. But Cheney has no respect for the Constitution at all.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:41 PM
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21. Hey Cheney! Go fuck yourself with a broken bottle!
Do us all a favor and check yourself into the nearest federal penitentiary.

Fucking criminal.

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Claire Beth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:18 AM
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23. cheney = asshole n/t
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:25 AM
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24. "A Good Law"...
For your big contributors at Wackenhut or CCA, eh, Dick?

"Lock 'em ALL up, let 'em ROT!"

Cheney and his PNAC friends were just jizzing themselves over the idea of getting Osama Bin-Forgotten's help in greasing the skids for their "Enabling Act". They would have never gotten it passed if they couldn't have gone "No time to read it! We've been ATTACKED! We NEEED this law NOW!!!!"
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:48 AM
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26. everytime he opens his trap, I want to scream
tell us about the contracts for Halliburton, Dick?
tell us about your secret energy task force, Dick?
tell us about your friend Chalabi?
tell us about the outing of Plame?
tell us about timing of the presidential order for the shoot downs on 9/11?
ETC!!!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:53 AM
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28. As though he's the only one. How many cities have refused to cooperate?
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:01 AM
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30. Four states, 320 cities and counties...
According to the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, there are four states and 320 cities and counties that have passed resolutions about the Patriot Act. I don't know anything about this group, but the number sounds about right from what I remember of news reports.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:57 AM
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29. Nazi
He’s a poster for the fascist hopes of millions, Living on borrowed time just to make as many people miserable as possible.

TIC TIC TIC ......
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:36 AM
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31. yeah, Dick, ride the popularity of the Patriot Act - even freepers are
freaked by it, not just Kerry...Ah, the smell of despair in the morning!
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