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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:27 PM
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(Bush) Management Style Shows Weaknesses
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A7869-2004Jun1?language=printer

President Bush has long prided himself for focusing on big goals rather than niggling details and delegating significant responsibility to his aides. But his belated attention to the brutality at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison has revealed vulnerabilities in a management style that had brought him personal and political success.

Bush's aides say the graphic images documenting abuse of detainees took him by surprise. But as they tell it, the president and his staff received many clues over the past year that there might be a problem -- for example, periodic reports from the International Committee of the Red Cross -- and did nothing because they had been assured the Pentagon was on the case.

A variety of presidential advisers and scholars said the White House's failure to recognize the significance of the warnings points to flaws in Bush's approach to governing that also could have contributed to the administration's inadequate planning and inaccurate presentations in the run-up to the Iraq war.

Fred I. Greenstein, a Princeton University politics professor and author of a text on presidential leadership, said Bush "hews to goals, and has the vision thing in spades," but has "an excessive reliance on subordinates" and "doesn't turn over the rock" to find out what might be waiting to bite him.

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morcatknits Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:34 PM
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1. Bush Management Style
Bush has nothing but contempt for process thinking. He operates out of some goal that his advisers probably give him, and just expects it to be carried out, in typical U.S. business style. How the subordinates do it doesn't matter to him at all. Thus, the prison scandal. He and Rummy probably said, "Just get the information," and now we see the result.

Good knitting,
Morcat
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:41 PM
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4. Welcome to DU, morcatknits.
There have been so many clues over the years that * is just a lot of talk. Personally, I want a president who burns the candle at both ends and is buried beneath paperwork. The guy prides himself on being well-rested and takes plenty of vacations. I've always considered him to be a slacker and my view has not changed.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:35 AM
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37. Welcome. He may do it to insulate himself from the
blame.
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wildwww2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:37 PM
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2. Well Duh. He couldn`t count Floridian`s votes. He was so weak.
The jerk offs at the Washington Post are not telling me anything I don`t know about that weakling little prick. What a bunch of losers.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:38 PM
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3. he probably thought the Red Cross
was one of those "lefty tree hugging focus groups".

and "who cares what you think?" gwb 7/4/01 philadelphia, pa
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:41 PM
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5. Management style?
Stupid brute force is now considered a reasonable style of bidness -- YEE HAAAA!
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:44 PM
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6. Better late than never
for the corporate media to the realize that chimpy's "management style" shows weakness. I guess they're finally cluing in that he's costing them money too.
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oldleftguy Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:49 PM
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7. Simplistic Management By Objectives.
Great article! Thanks for posting.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:18 PM
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12. Well, it's the MBO style that sits in a soft chair and tells subordinates
... to "take that hill" while sipping gimlets.

That fucker wouldn't have survived 30 seconds in 'Nam as a platoon leader under fire.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 05:57 AM
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23. Friendly fire can be discriminately aimed at times
I wonder if Gung Ho, Pat Tillman had this experience?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:04 AM
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35. Funny you mention that. The same thought occurred to me.
I guess it's a bit less likely, given the reported circumstances, but I also wonder how disillusioned ol' Pat may have become in his first weeks in-country. (Education usually comes quick.) If he didn't, he could've become a shrapnel magnet.
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 10:53 PM
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8. I Thought His Only Management Style
Was to rely on Rove to keep everyones lies straight.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:05 PM
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9. Bush doesn't manage anything
he simply makes public appearances and attends state dinners. He is a simple shit who has the gift of "chat". Rove, Cheney etc. keep him on a short leash.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:06 PM
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10. End remark:
The presidential adviser said that Bush has had the same management style ever since he bought major league baseball's Texas Rangers and ran for governor and that he does not expect him to make any significant change despite his current straits. "When he started to use the strong CEOs' approach of delegation and real responsibility and real accountability, that's when he started to succeed mightily, both in business and in politics," the adviser said. "It's impossible to change a successful man."
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Sparky McGruff Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:51 PM
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16. Accountability?
"When he started to use the strong CEOs' approach of delegation and real responsibility and real accountability, that's when he started to succeed mightily, both in business and in politics,"

Accountability? Since WHEN? Who has been accountable for ANYTHING? I dare that doofus to name ONE person who has been held accountable by this administration!

The only people who have been "held accountable" are those who didn't tell the appropriate lies! (e.g. O'Neill, Whitman, Shinseki). Not a single person has been fired for the numerous administrative failures surrounding 9/11. Nor for the "intelligence failures" before the Iraq war. Nor for the handling of the Iraq occupation. Not a one.
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Zech Marquis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:37 AM
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29. successful "man" ?!
this dipshit can't even ride a goddamn bicycle!
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:46 AM
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30. Not just the bicycle
but every business venture. An empty suit propped with hot air BFEE connections and bail-outs.
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priller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:12 AM
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32. Bush didn't buy the Texas Rangers
He was loaned the money for his share of the deal, which was initially small. Later the other owners increased his share for "services performed" or some such hooey when it became apparent Bush was going to run for Governor. He didn't run anything for the team, but served largely as the front man, or public face for the team. He did no management.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:13 PM
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11. That "management style" is prototypical of the superficial ...
... cocktail-hour 'case method' taught at the Harvard Business School. Send a simpleton there and after 2 years you get an arrogant simpleton. It's the exact same story with every Harvard MBA that ever worked for me: they couldn't do any of the work themselves that they expected of others, and couldn't even adequately describe the tasks and methods. If they had a superficial comprehension of the analytical methods that're core to a Work Breakdown Methodology (for example) , they hadn't even the most cursory understanding of the complimentary synthesis processes. People who have the sad misfortune of working for one of these imbeciles wind up doing two jobs and getting credit for neither.
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diamond14 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:32 PM
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13. actual photo of bush* management style.....

hey everyone...get out there and find those evil-doers...bring them back dead or alive...

I'll wait here...

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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 05:50 AM
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22. lol
and go easy on the amunition
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:36 PM
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14. I hereby nominate this headline
As the understatement of the century.



http://www.wgoeshome.com
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:46 PM
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15.  Sorry, Mr's. Allen and Greenstein, the buck still stops at the Prez desk.
That is the point.

I don't call torture "niggling details".

I don't care, at this point in time whether Mr. Bush has an MBA or a DUI.

This buck has to stop.


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ILeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:54 PM
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17. It's not a "Management Style," it's a defense mechanism.
He didn't buy and run a baseball team or manage anything as governor. All the parts of those roles that required higher order thinking or complex decision making and planning were taken care of by others. Junior's act is to cover up the fact that he is in over his head and well beyond his capabilities by the time he slips out from under his blankie and into his slippers for breakfast.

His confidence and "certainty" is part of his act. He has no idea what the hell he's doing, and on some level he knows it. He's not a rancher or a cowpoke or a successful businessman or a veteran who served with honor or a straight talker or a statesman or the tough guy he pretends to be. He's a dishonest, ignorant, sniveling, petty, vindictive, cowardly failure born into way too much privilege.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 11:56 PM
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18. Borrow and Spend! Borrow and Spend! Borrow and Spend!

What management style?
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demconfive Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 03:21 AM
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19. Management style?
The man can't manage to string a sentence together, much less develop a "style".He's a flailing fuck-up ;thats his "style".
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 05:03 AM
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20. BS, his office supported torture as a policy
Everyone knows it, it has already been documented. Why do people publish these bullshit rationalizations for an unconstitutional regime.

His management style is leadership into the abyss of fascism.
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Bozvotros Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 05:46 AM
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21. "a management style that brought him WHAT??"
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 05:46 AM by Bozvotros
Bush is a lazy pscyhopathic squatter. Whatever personal and political success he has enjoyed has come not through any management style but through nepotism, graft or a result of tragedy born of his incompetence.

His success also comes at the expense of someone elses blood, money or position. Leap frogging TANG applicants, insider trading, becoming a baseball team owner for a niggling piece of change, having his daddy's friends buy him a governorship and his daddy's SCOTUS hand him the presidency, define how he enjoyed success.

Other than trashing the economy, the bill of rights and our nation's reputation what exactly are his personal successes?

edit for spelling
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 06:29 AM
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25. Amen.
Right on!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 06:13 AM
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24. A Miserable Failure
"He's a dishonest, ignorant, sniveling, petty, vindictive, cowardly failure born into way too much privilege."

Let's not forget that he is also a shallow, brain damged simpleton and a coward.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 06:34 AM
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26. Things must be pretty bad
if they are FINALLY reporting this. Wonder what they could have found if they looked at his record in Texas and his long past of screwing up everything, maybe his threat to run our Country as he did his businesses would have been a clue. Well, I guess they were busy passing along all the VRWC smears and lies about Gore.
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birdbrain Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:09 AM
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27. "...has the vision thing in spades?"
Please tell me that's not an accurate quote, hard to believe that Princeton University politics professor could say something so....
stupid?!?!? Bush doesn't know what his vision is till Cheney tells him.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:15 AM
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33. I thought "the vision thing" has become a joke since Poppy and W
missed the point by repeating the very words. Now, is this professor sarcastic of dumber that W?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:17 AM
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28. Hmm..Where I come from, we'd call this 'being a lazy f*cker'
"Hands-off management style', indeed. Not on my dime!



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steely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:04 AM
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31. Seems to me his first order of bidness was to throw...
...accountability out the window, followed by allowing his cronies to employ strong arm tactics in the name of his office, and head straight for breaking presidential vacation records, a "hands-off" methodology.
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:57 AM
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34. does anyone else think this is odd?
snippet from the article:

"....the president and his staff received many clues over the past year that there might be a problem -- for example, periodic reports from the International Committee of the Red Cross...."

CLUES? Like reports from the friggin' International Committe of the Red Cross?

When the Red Cross sends reports that your soldiers are raping civilians, would that be a CLUE?
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:23 AM
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36. see my post #3 .................... eom
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:40 AM
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38. Heh, heh
Kinda like the Washington Posts writing style eh? Can't tell a problem from a clue-lets softball it for georgie. It pisses me off that the WP gives him a pass-why can't they just say, 'everyone told him there was a problem but he didn't have the curiosity to look into it, he passes the buck, he doesn't hold people accountable-not management by anyones definition.'
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