George Tenet RESIGNED!...breaking MSNBC..."for personal reasons"

[ElsewheresDaughter]

[Jack Rabbit]

1. Is that a slam dunk?

[Barkley]

103. BIG QUESTION: Who is the likely replacement for Tenet?

Did Clinton appoint Tenet?

Are there 'neocons' that might get control of the CIA or was
Tenet a 'neocon' himself?

[Claire Beth]

126. no, a slam dunk would include:

Rice, Rummy, Asscroft, Wolfie and Cheney! and an impeachment of *.

[keithyboy]

147. Folks inside CIA really upset! I think the career workers liked him.

Don't ask me how I know...but this may have some serious departures from the CIA. Looks like the neocons have won another battle. They hated Tenent because he wouldn't let Clinton go along with their plans...there's been a vendetta ever since. Perle must be climaxing!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

192. Nope. Once again the NeoCons have misjudged a situation...

...the CIA will REALLY come after the NeoCons now.

And yes, Tenet was a long-term CIA employee and was well-liked inside the agency. He is also well-liked outside the agency...probably something else the NeoCons don't understand.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

2. so now the question is why?

what scandal is this linked to?

[Jack Rabbit]

25. To what scandal is he linked?

Calling the case against Saddam a "slam dunk" after presnting a case to Bush that was anything but. Even Bush (according to Woodward) asked "Is this all you have?"

By doing that, Tenet give approval to the lies that were used to justify the invasion and to the abuse of the intellignece community whose work was perverted to falsely justify the war.

He should be called to account for that.

[bushisanidiot]

106. AWOL Asked Tenet To Come Up With Any Reason Possible

to invade Iraq. Tenet didn't run up to boy george on his own and say "we must invade now!", the chimp went into the white house wanting to invade iraq and he gave the order to the intelligence committees to make it so..

[Kokonoe]

67. President Gore asked for it.

[grytpype]

73. He's Bush's scapegoat.

He'll be blamed for every failing of the Bush Misadministration.

He wasn't a very good CIA director, but he was the head of the class compared to Rice, Cheney, Rummy, Wolfie, Feith, Scooter, Cambone, etc., etc.

[Tight_rope]

163. Where is Rice anyway!

Seems that she's been keeping a very low profile for 2 months now. She's normally right by the chimps side. I guess after all the heat, she noticed that Bush was starting to smell bad. Guess she couldn't take the funk anymore. :evilgrin:

[snippy]

115. Maybe Tenet was advocating that Bush not be allowed to reenter the US. n/t

[Claire Beth]

125. bwhahahahahaa! n/t

[Festivito]

196. Obscure Bush retaining a lawyer for Plame leak.

Tenet can now be villianized. Replacement will take up the news combined with Tenet "failures." FOX will make it sound like the CIA was guilty of every problem that caused Iraq to 9/11 -- if not more. Some RW pundit will charge that Tenet had loose lips allowing an underground of Plame blame transferrence among the conned.

Just my guessing.

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. Just saw it on CNN!

WOW! For "personal reasons". Do you think he can get a book out before the Repub convention?

[Tight_rope]

172. Start the press machines...Let the printing begin. Book needs to be in

the stores by August 2004. LOL. If he has a book in the makings, which they always do. I hope George Tenets book comes out right after he leaves in July! That would just make my year.

[Renew Deal]

4. WOW, That's a big deal.

Is this tied to Plame? I wonder

[livetohike]

That would be my guess

eom

[librechik]

14. or the Iran/Chalabi leak?

so many crimes to respond to...

[snippy]

20. I think it is tied to Plame. Bush is mad that the CIA hates traitors. n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

97. I think you are correct

[Jacobin]

118. Bingo. Sealing up the CIA

so it doesn't bring down SmirkCo.

[Tight_rope]

173. No...I thinks it's ties to Bushco... n/t

[k in IA]

5. He will serve until mid-July.

[maddezmom]

6. this is HUGE

[Spazito]

13. or to quote the freepers, "this is hugh!"

LOL

[Paradise]

32. lol. :) nt

[Kahuna]

54. LOL! I saw that over there.

:D

[datasuspect]

96. damn!

you beat me to it . . . who the hell is hugh?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

101. LMAO i node that

[Tansy_Gold]

142. Please use your spellchecker

It's "knowed," silly. Any freeper knowes that!

:evilgrin:

Tansy Gold, who went to bed at 3 a.m. and shoulda stayed up later to get all the "news" but is having one helluva time catching up this morning!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

159. i node that too ....speler notzies kneeded at moran freep site

:evilgrin:

[Fridays Child]

116. Did they specify whether that would be...

Downs, Grant, Hewitt, or other?

Silly fr**pers.

[qwertyMike]

130. More than Hugh, it's tyrannosaurus!!!!!!!!!!

[snippy]

7. LOL. Bush is trying to rein in the CIA. Too late for that. n/t

[ewagner]

8. This is BIG!!!!!

Can't wait to see if he does interviews with the talking heads......

Isn't bush already on his way overseas? This has to be a blow to him!

[leftofthedial]

9. now who is Faceplant gonna blame for all the screwups?

he's bailing before the jail terms start coming down.

[seemslikeadream]

10. Holy Shit!

n/t

[Beetwasher]

11. Rats...Sinking Ship...CYA...So It Begins

Pass the popcorn...

[shanti]

151. yes, finally

the moment we have all been anticipating! critical mass has come.

[CO Liberal]

12. Yeah...Personal Reasons

He didn't want his ass thrown in jail for what went on at the CIA under his watch.

[TahitiNut]

111. "Personal Reasons"? Bullshit.

Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld fired him as a scapegoat. Tenet is now "disgruntled" and anything he says will be labled as such. The CIA was "played" by DIA/OSP/Chalabi and stifled by the Regime. The CIA is not monolithic and is probably very fractured internally. It's leaking like a seive and uable to contain the political secrets of the regime. (Sy Hersh gets much of his 'scoops' from CIA insiders.)

[CO Liberal]

141. I Used to Work at an Electronics Company in NJ

Every time a memo came out saying someone had resigned for "personal reasons" or "to pursue other career opportunities", you knew they were canned.

[RobinA]

144. Yikes

I never thought of the "Tenet is disgruntled" angle, but you are absolutely right. They just innoculated themselves agsinst anything he will say.

[k in IA]

15. W sends Tenet his "Blessings".

When did he become a Priest?

[ncrainbowgrrl]

21. Apparently, he did a "superb job."

According to Smirky Mc Chimp

[wtmusic]

60. All the ones who do a "superb job" keep bailing

Is there a pattern here? :crazy:

[Career Prole]

36. Priest? Or he thinks he's god now. n/t

[TahitiNut]

84. Not a priest ...

... the Bigoted Bastard Bishop of Bumpkin Bombast.

[PurityOfEssence]

100. That deserves a tee-hee-hee-ti-nut

Nice alliteration, and it covers much of his wickedness. The problem is, he's such a full-spectrum fuckup/dick that it's hard to cobble together an adequate epithet in under 30 syllables.

Good work!

[TahitiNut]

120. Thank you for recognizing the formidable challenge ...

... of comprehensively arriving at Truth-in-Labeling for this abysmal asshole-in-chief (safety valve for Cheney-the-Distended-Rectum and Colin-the-Lying-Bowel and Rumsfeld-the-Infected-Bladder).

I never imagined I'd ever see the abominable degree of corruption that infects this abhorrent regime.

[prodigal_green]

193. hmm, with the descriptions you use

I would say not only are they abominable, but also abdominal.

[wellst0nev0ter]

16. Can't Wait For The Tell-All Book

:nuke:

[havocmom]

31. That was my first thought: Book is written and ready to go to press?

I believe chess players would call that a check mate.

Let us hope this is Tenet's game.

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

89. yep...

...that was my second thought after "he doesn't want to spend time in Leavenworth".

[Kinkistyle]

56. Yep! Wants to cash in on the Anti-Bush Book Bubble.

In our crap economy, one business is booming - ANTI-BUSH BOOK BUBBLE! The time to make money is now, the period before Kerry becomes the new President of the United States.

[Norquist Nemesis]

17. "Personal Reason"

Maybe his conscience got to him more than the threats from the regime.

[Just Me]

18. OMFG!!!!

Ewwwww,....my imagination is on fire!!!!!

[mithnanthy]

42. WOW!

Did you see Bunnypants comments? It was filmed outside and the birds were singing and cherping their little happy heads off! I think Tenet knows where the prosecuter, for the CIA leak, is going. He knows how the CIA agents feel about the leaking of one of their own and he doesn't want to be there when..."shit..meets fan!"

[Career Prole]

69. And while the "birds" were sitting with engines idling

waiting to whisk Chimpy away from embarrassing questions before Rove can think up some answers.

[Wickerman]

19. Lets see, Wednesday, Bush* lawyers up, Thursday, Tenet quits

CYA, see ya!

[librechik]

53. self delete (wrong spot)

*

[Bozita]

83. linkage? Anything to do with the upcoming 911 Commission Report?

If it was WMD alone, his resignation would've come months ago.

[Wickerman]

88. The Bush thing is about Plume - investigating wrapping and

Bush is going to be interviewed.

all the Tenet stuff has been radio and TV so far - Personal reasons

[frank frankly]

22. WOW! this can't be good for shrub!

the end of BushCo is happening right NOW!

FINALLY!!!!

[Mandate My Ass]

23. Oh keep it coming!!!

Dear Lord the place is imploding. Oh, Cheney next pleeeeeeeeeeeeease.

[King of New Orleans]

24. He's a bum

but he didn't have anything to do with Plame or the Chalabi leak.

Don't hold your breath for a tell all book. CIA heads don't write 'em.

[havocmom]

57. CIA heads have never faced such a serious attack on the nation

either. Haven't there been a lot of 'retired' spooks who have come out swinging about the malAdministration shanannigans? There are lots of people in service to the nation who really do it for love of country and the honor of serving it. Cheney doesn't think those people are real. Those people have had enough and many realize that for evil to triumph, they would have to remain silent. I hope Tenet joins the ranks of those who refuse to remain silent. He could spill beans on the Cheney gang without risking CIA operatives.

[teryang]

155. You're right, Tenet is as dirty as they come

There won't be any tell all. I hope he doesn't take any canoe or sailing trips.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

26. IS THERE A BOOK COMING?!?!?!

Wow he's been tasked to step down! Personal reasons again.

[k in IA]

27. Dana Priest of WP says it has been in the works for the last couple of

days and it is just for "personal reasons". She said he wanted to leave earlier but didn't want to look like he was jumping ship.

[Tansy_Gold]

154. But leaving when he did, the day after

boosh hires a lawyer, doesn't it look even MORE like Tenet is "jumping ship"?

While I suppose it's possible that the resignation has been in the works for a few days, and even possibly planned for today, if the reason was to avoid the appearance that Tenet was jumping ship, then it seems to me he would have waiting another day or two to avoid the one-two punch of the lawyering and then the resignation.

Personally, and I could be totally wrong, I think the CIA got played and has been scapegoated and I think Tenet may have tried to protect his department (and his own ass in the process) but realized finally it wasn't possible. maybe I'm giving him too much credit.

But when I look at the stories and opinions posted here on DU, I see both a loathing for the CIA for providing bad info and praise for that same CIA for standing behind their agents and being furious at the booshies for outing one. I don't think the CIA is entirely responsible for the "bad" intelligence that led to the Iraq invasion; I think booshie pal Chalabi was used as a trump card, and now Tenet is so completely pissed -- or so completely terrified that he'll be fingered by his own department at having been complicit in the whole charade -- that he's getting out. And if his departure was planned for today before the acquisition of boosh lawyer, I suspect he took one last ounce of revenge by NOT rescheduling his announcement.

But that's just me, and I don't expect any response because I'm pretty sure just about everyone has put me on "ignore."


Tansy Gold, subthread killer extraordinaire

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

28. Is this a ploy to keep eyes off the Plame leak? n/t

[markses]

29. A week to the day after Gore's request

But Al Gore's just crazy, as we all know...:eyes:

Let's not forget that Gore called for the resignation of Bush's economic team in 2002, and they were all gone inside a month.

But Al Gore's just crazy, as we all know...:eyes:

[Mandate My Ass]

35. True dat

:thumbsup:

[soup]

41. Who's next?

"We simply cannot afford to further increase the risk to our country with more blunders by this team. Donald Rumsfeld, as the chief architect of the war plan, should resign today. His deputies Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith and his intelligence chief Stephen Cambone should also resign. The nation is especially at risk every single day that Rumsfeld remains as Secretary of Defense.

Condoleeza Rice, who has badly mishandled the coordination of national security policy, should also resign immediately.

George Tenet should also resign. I want to offer a special word about George Tenet, because he is a personal friend and I know him to be a good and decent man. It is especially painful to call for his resignation, but I have regretfully concluded that it is extremely important that our country have new leadership at the CIA immediately."

Thank you, President Gore.

[Dhalgren]

156. Isn't it nice to hear someone of proven

presidential gravity speak? This is the President - no doubt about it.

[DODI]

177. Did Gore's speech get to him?

I love Al Gore!!!

[trag]

30. All right, so when is the book coming out?

[Bozita]

33. Now the 911 Commission can blast away at the CIA

That's my guess.

[Cocoa]

78. exactly

they're probably rewriting furiously as we speak.

[librechik]

34. Pundits rushing to smear him on the air

yes, 911 was all Tenet--and the WMD fiasco too! So stop looking over at Bush, he is God's choice (since he wasn't the voter's choice)

Oh, that evil Tenet!

And we get another Soviet expert like Condi with no experience in administration to replace him. How useful!

And yet, even though it was all his fault and no one should look anywhere else HE ISN"T LEAVING BECAUSE OF CRIMES!!! HER JUST WANTS TO SPEND MORE TIME WITH HIS FAMILY!

that evil Tenet!

[Frances]

51. Will this take the heat off Rumsfeld?

Is Bush hoping that people will focus on this resignation and forget about Rumsfeld?

[dubyaD40web]

55. Holy Shitte!

Plame...Chalabi....WMD's....the list goes on and on.

He's toast:

[seemslikeadream]

119. love that photo!

George Tenet resigns as CIA director

The long knives are out, no doubt about it," said Richard Stolz, who headed the CIA's clandestine service under the elder President Bush, said last July. But Tenet survived that controversy.

During his seven years at the CIA, speculation at times has swirled around whether Tenet would retire or be forced out, peaking after the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001 and surging again after the flawed intelligence estimates about Iraq's fighting capability.

Even when his political capital appeared to be tanking, Tenet managed to hang on with what some say was a fierce loyalty to Bush and the CIA personnel. A likable, chummy personality, also helped keep him above water.

Conventional wisdom had been that Tenet, who was appointed by President Bill Clinton, did not plan to stay on next year, no matter who won the White House. Tenet has been on the job since July 1997, an unusually lengthy tenure in a particularly taxing era for the intelligence community that he heads.

more
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-06-03-tenet_x.htm

[Canuckistanian]

140. LOL! I blame those guys!

Good pic

[seemslikeadream]

197. It Is a Good Day to Die

The general rode for sixteen days
The horses were thirsty and tired
On the trail of a renegade chief
One he'd come to admire
The soldiers hid behind the hills
That surrounded the village
And he rode down to warn the chief
They'd come to conquer and pillage

Lay down your arms
Lay down your spear
The chief's eyes were sad
But showed no sign of fear

(chorus)
It is a good day to die
Oh my children dry your eyes
It is a good day to die

He spoke of the days before the white man came
With his guns and whisky
He told of a time a long time ago
Before what you call history
The general couldn't believe his words
Nor the look on his face
But he knew these people would rather die
Then have to live in this disgrace

What law have I broken
What wrong have I done
That makes you want to bury me
Upon this trail of blood

(chorus)

We cared for the land and the land cared for us
And that's the way it's always been
Never asked for more never asked too much
And now you tell me this is the end

I laid down my weapon
Laid down my bow
Now you want to drive me out
With no place left to go

(chorus)

And he turned to his people and said dry your eyes
We've been blessed and we are thankful
Raise your voices to the sky
It is a good day to die

Robbie Robertson

[lil-petunia]

37. good one.

this guy headed the CIA during its worst problems, he ass-kissed his way to remaining on top, while fires were raging below. He knew Washington insiders much better than he knew how to run an intel unit.

Throughout his watch, his failures have been spectacular, his success slim to none.

This couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy, at a more apporpriate time.

[Eloriel]

99. What failures?

I don't believe there were ANY failures -- just cover-ups for others higher on the food chain.

[MallRat]

38. Personal reasons?

Yeah, maybe something like, "George Tenet hated being Bush's scapegoat for everything?"

That would be pretty personal.

-MR

[Frances]

39. Did he know too much about either Chalabi or Plame?

Or both?

[Kadie]

40. Is the house of cards finally falling?

One big news story after another. Wow!

[Bozita]

58. Shrub "lawyers up" and Tenet resigns (under pressure)

any linkage?

Oh, just heard the under pressure comment on Democracy Now!

[derby378]

43. News link on MSNBC

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5129314/

[rooboy]

44. This is due to pressure from Bill O'Reilly.

ALL the big moves in world events only happen when The Factor viewers apply the appropriate pressure. Watch O'Reilly tonight and I bet he takes credit for it.

[demnan]

45. There will be no book

Agency rules - these folks are very lipped!

[wicket]

46. Holy shti!!!!!

YAHOO!!!!!

[chiburb]

47. My humble opinion...

BushCo will try to spin it that Tenet was "asked" to leave. However...

I think Tenet knows that he no longer has the support of The Company, because of Plame, Chalabi, lord knows what else. The Company is hell-bent on revenge, and Tenet can no longer run interference or protect BushCo from some very pissed off spooks. Hence the resignation...

Anybody else?

[k in IA]

68. That is not the spin * put on it in his statement. * said what a

superb job Tenet has done and how * will miss him and he sends him his "blessings".

Tenet's Deputy at the CIA will be the acting Director when Tenet leaves in July.

[chiburb]

93. Of course he said that...

He'll leave it to Rove to fax the talking points to the pundits for the "spin".

[k in IA]

162. I'm just trying to tell the cube rats what he said in his statement.

Generally, that would mean the exact opposite is true.

[nolabels]

109. The whole kitchen sounds like it's cookin

Who knows what tongue got stuck in his ear :nopity:

[ElectroPrincess]

150. You got that right ...

Damn! Like your local police department, it's not nice to piss off the CIA. Double Damn!

There will be hell to pay.

[msanthrope]

183. Ding, Ding, Ding......

I think we have a winner.

[Stephanie]

48. Please tell us what they are reporting

for the cuberats - what's are they saying on CNN, etc.?

[k in IA]

49. Now Shrub is going bye-bye - off to Europe.

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

81. Will reporters be allowed w/in the 60 mile roadblock set up in France?

I doubt it.

[Don_G]

50. That Was Fast

My local station just interrupted the programming with that bit of good news.

[ze_dscherman]

52. And is going to be replaced by ???

Wolfowitz, as already proposed?
Condoleeza Rice?

[librechik]

64. James Baker! Paging James Baker!

his dream job is finally open.

No way Shrubbie will appoint anybody but a crony.

Forget all this talk about an operative;(Porter Goss maybe, he is a crony.) But that would mean the CIA won the war against the Pentagon. And I don't see that--maybe the lawyering up is a clue though. Fascinating.

Baker is just the one who always shows up when Shrub is in trouble.
And it would be a nightmare for liberals.

[Stephanie]

71. Excuse me????

Who is proposing Wolfowitz?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

76. tenet will be replaced by Deputy Director McCauglin(ms) is what bush said

[progressivebydesign]

186. This type of replacement has been plaguing the Bush admin..

I'v read that most of the people who have resigned, have been replaced by lower level replacements..

[havocmom]

158. To nominate anyone for the post would take Confirmation hearings.

One would surmise the malAdministration would not want THAT to happen. SO Tenent forces them to go with a temp, pardon me, interim director. Any LIHOP or MIHOP now would really make the WH look bad. So Mr. Tenet has just taken a very large weapon out of Rove's arsenal.

[Kahuna]

59. Chimp rerun. Looks like he's close to tears..

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
:evilgrin:

[Trajan]

61. It appears that CIA will be in 'interregnum' ...

an underling will be taking over ??? ... Bush will not be presenting a new chief to congress before november ...

Hmmm ... shall we see a shift to OSP as the prominent 'intelligence' organ ??? ...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

62. Rumfilled will be next?

[banana republican]

63. Personal reasons usually = ethical reasons

No one quits for personal reasons. eom.

[wtmusic]

65. Wolfowitz will replace?

That was a rumor a while back. Heaven help us.

[Paradise]

70. omg, no! nt

[snippy]

80. That might lead to some entertaining confirmation hearings.

Whoever is picked, he or she must first swear loyalty to Bush above loyalty to country. The person also should have criminal experience.

[k in IA]

160. Wasn't that for replacing Rumsfeld if he resigned as

Sect. of Defense, not CIA?

[wtmusic]

179. Actually, Wolfowitz is #1 to take Powell's place

Don't know which is worse

[Lou_C]

66. I love it!

LOL....god i love it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

Tenet has STRONG ties to Chalabi too and the Plame name leak

[k in IA]

164. Hmmm. Is Tenet a drinker?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

189. Not to the extent of giving anything classified to Chalabi...

...look for your culprit in the NeoCon, Pentagon-based OSP or in the civilian leadership of the Pentagon.

[k in IA]

195. Yeah, I know, the Director of CIA wouldn't be that stupid. Thats

a neo-con stupid trick.

[Southsideirish]

199. Yes, but maybe the drinking is the "personal" reason why he's

leaving.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

187. "Strong ties"? If you mean that Tenet was...

...engineering the leaking since Plame was exposed, then yes. If you mean that Tenet helped the DIA dump a boatload on Chalabi, then yes.

If you're implying that Tenet was involved with exposing Plame, nothing could be any farther from the truth. Tenet is a long-time CIA employee...that kind of stuff is against the CIA internal code.

[yellowcanine]

72. LOL - Bush really did say he resigned "for personal reasons". Who is

going to believe that? No one at that level resigns for "personal reasons" 6 months out from a presoidential election. There is some serious shit going down. The timing is also curious. No late Friday night-holiday weekend announcement. Almost as if either Tenet or Shrub wanted maximum media exposure.

President Bush said Thursday that CIA director George Tenet has
resigned "for personal reasons" and that his deputy will temporarly
lead America's premier spy agency until a successor is found.

[lil-petunia]

74. anyone check the freeper reaction?

That ought to be good.

[Kahuna]

79. They are elated because Tenet is a Clinton holdover.. They..

expect that a book is forthcoming. :evilgrin:

[onehandle]

82. ....except for the single smart one.

To: cyncooper

this is not good news at all. The media will spin it as Bush's national security team cracking up because the war has gone badly, or maybe tie it into this Wilson grand jury leak thing. This is not good news 150 days from the election.

19 posted on 06/03/2004 7:33:30 AM PDT by oceanview
_____________________________

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1146843/posts

[Kahuna]

90. I noted that one sane post..

:thumbsup:

[datasuspect]

95. what's funny . . .

is that they are keep squawking about Rudolph Giuliani.

they are hoping he'll be the next cia director. what the hell is the basis for that? is rudy gonna enlist the aid of cia operatives to go ticket fledgling dictators in latin america for littering or other quality of life crimes?

i don't understand these people.

[skypilot]

132. Giuliani as CIA director...

..makes about as much sense as Tom Ridge as Homeland Security director. So I wouldn't be too surprised. Don't forget that along with everything else, this bunch is imcompetent as hell.

[cosmicdot]

124. just guessing here - they'll blame Clinton - Tenet was appointed by Clenis

:shrug: :eyes:



((while mentioning that, I'm not sure why Bill Clinton chose him in the first place ... unless he felt Tenet had a lot of info on the BFEE/Poppy/BCCI, etc.; but, in the current context, all that matters with Freepers is that he was a holdover from the Clinton Administration: the Clenis Syndrome))

[k in IA]

168. Bingo, already heard a Repub in Congress saying that he

was a holdover and didn't fit in with this group and that caused problems.

[datasuspect]

145. interesting freeper reaction:

To: txrangerette
Did you forget that those *enemies* are americans? Just because they disagree with you they are enemies?

When did America become a fascist state?



272 posted on 06/03/2004 8:03:24 AM PDT by Masha
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funny thing is, no one has replied to this person.

[Rose Siding]

75. This is weird

Chalabi wasn't on his team. Maybe he overstepped in filling the sudden vaccuum.

He should have been canned shortly after 911 AND remember he's the one who assured a skepticle Bush that selling the Iraq intel would be a "slam dunk".

His replacement's gonna be a hoot.

Some of the career types at the CIA have been the driving force behind Plame and some of the criticsm of the WMD bamboozle by the DoD. How will they be affected?

[Just Me]

123. Maybe he is removing himself from the upcoming train wreck. n/t

[teryang]

166. Yes, the future is the reason, not the past

It is probable that something is being planned that even this accomplice doesn't want to be associated with.

[Rebel_with_a_cause]

77. Does the 9-11 commission have the goods on Tenet?

Here's hoping Rummy goes the way of Tenet.

[Catherine Vincent]

105. They sure didn't act like it after he testified the second time.

A few of them were all rushing to shake his hands afterwards.

[k in IA]

174. The Senate Intelligence Committee Report is coming out

soon and it is supposed to be a blistering attack on Tenet. (I think it was an investigation of the lack of WMD in Iraq)

[Catherine Vincent]

85. It's about time. The bush cronies were too corrupt for him.

He should have gotten out when Clarke did.

[Nevernose]

98. That's a very frightening thought--

...that someone could be so corrupt that the CIA had problems with it.

[loftycity]

86. Michael Moore gets Tenet interview for the 911 Movie! Wishful Thinking

That would be great!

[Nashyra]

113. They were saying to remember

that Tenet was the one who was running around telling everyone that something was getting ready to happen prior to 9-11. I hope Tenet turns on the *. They will be using him as a scapegoat. Al Gore likes Tenet, I don't think that Tenet will allow the administration to use him further as a scapegoat. The * chose Tenet for the fall guy because he was from the old Clinton administration, that is how they will try to turn National Security against the Democrats. The summer of terror won't happen because the new director will prevent it. Just Watch, it will backfire big time though, Tenet has alot of friends and is well liked. The repukes will try to spin this as a "Democrat" was the one who gave all the bad infor for the war and
9-11. Once again I hope the son of a bitch turns on the *. Maybe he has already worked out a deal to be pardoned by Kerry.

[Deb]

134. I wonder about it too

There is something about Tenet, just a gut feeling, he doesn't have the same hardness as the others. Why did he stay on? I will always be wondering if it was to help take bush down.

[SodoffBush]

87. The investigations of Abu Ghraib may have taken their first ranking victim

CIA had something to do with what is now known to be systemic abuse.

[k in IA]

171. According to Seymour Hersch, CIA knew what was going on

at the prison was going to be trouble and they pulled their people out in October or November 2003

[CBHagman]

91. Interesting timing.

It knocks the Plame case off the front page, and it provides a scapegoat. Just a thought...

[Cush]

94. yup

[NNN0LHI]

92. This is the first step of a regime change here in the USA n/t

[Stuckinthebush]

102. I'd like to add one WOW, and three HOT DAMNS!

This is big. It is getting too hot in the kitchen over there and people are going to start to bail.

On edit:

I assume the personal reason is that he wants to get the hell out of there before the whole damn place implodes. Personal safety.

[davsand]

104. George, fall on your sword and we'll do this for you...

I'm expecting an Executive Order pardon for Tenet and a big amount of cash for Tenet in an offshore account at a later date in return for keeping his mouth shut.

No book will be forthcoming and he'll not be on the TV with the talking heads--he's gonna fall on his sword and take it for the "yipper."

THAT is my two cents on it!


Laura

[chiburb]

136. HI Laura...

Or perhaps Tenet has appeared before the Grand Jury (Plame) and told the truth as he knows it? Maybe that's why Bush needs a lawyer? And Tenet knows he needs to "resign"?

[davsand]

180. If Tenet told all it could be really interesting.

I suppose it is possible he did--but THAT would be about like a suicide IMO. It boggles the mind when you stop to think about how many bodies Tenet may have knowledge of.

Unless they own him and are convinced of it, I'd worry about his safety. To put it in personal terms, NO way I'd want to sit next to him on a flight anywhere!

Laura


Good to see you! I've missed you! :)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

107. cheney & powell were present lastnight with bush when Tenet resigned

[mithnanthy]

108. Just heard on MSNBC...

that Cheney and Powell were ALSO in the Oval office when Tenet told * the "news".

[lebkuchen]

110. This move doesn't inspire confidence in Bush before the elections

Seems like just last week Tenet was standing in front of seven cardboard terrorists, threatening that the US would be attacked any day now.

Personal reasons? Highly unlikely.

[Bonhomme Richard]

112. Made my day, Bigtime.

Although you have to wonder with all the failures under his belt how he lasted so long.

[zydeco]

114. Did Tenet testify before the Grand Jury on Plame outing?

n/t.

[grl2watch]

117. Hooraay! Don't let the door hit ya! n/t

[hackwriter]

121. Bush hires lawyer...Tenet resigns. Interesting

Somehow I think that the Busheviks are going to say that this makes a clean break and we can stop all the investigations --- it was all Tenet's fault.

I for one, can't wait to read the book. Tenet ought to stay off of small planes and off bridges. Those seem to be the Bush family execution methods of choice.

[PurityOfEssence]

122. Even better: so much for Bush loyalty; remember the 16 words?

Tenet went out of his way to fall on his sword for the little nobody, and spared him a grievous wound. The one overriding characteristic of the Bush Crime Family has been its loyalty; now that this is shown as nothing but expediency, we can expect a coalition of the coerced to also speak out.

Chalabi has been clambering for Tenet's removal, too; it's going to look awkward for Junior to be siding with "Ocky-boy" when he hardly even knew him...

I respect Tenet for being a good soldier in much the same way Powell's admirers respect him. Powell is an opportunistic creep and a calculated thug, though, so I give him no quarter. Tenet is another matter, but why he covered for this pathetic excuse for a human as long as he did will be very interesting to learn over the next few decades.

[Snellius]

127. Good. Mr. Slam dunk got slam dunked

Tenet was an amazingly charismatic and Machiavellian manipulator. A serial alarmist who would tell his Prince whatever he wanted to hear.

[daa]

128. Tenet is loyal to the Bush family

but chimpy blamed the CIA. Kennedy said don't fuck with the CIA and Bush did. They are taking him down. Tenet resigned because he doesn't want to be disloyal and can do NOTHING to stop it. Trust me, the company is getting rid of ole smirky.

[TrueStory]

129. Scary News

This can have a very frightening meaning:

9/11 was nothing compared to the events to come -

and Tenet doesn't want to participate in this anymore.

[Suspicious]

148. The head of the CIA

suddenly develops a conscience? Doubtful.

Having no conscience would seem likely to be a prerequisite trait for the job.

[daa]

176. Not about conscience

he is out of the loop for how the CIA will get even with $hrub and doesn't want blamed.

[dArKeR]

131. It's called MURDER and TREASON! Bush: CIA Director George Tenet Resigns

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040603/ap_on_go_ot/tenet_resigns_8

[jobycom]

133. All part of the BushCo master plan. Nothing good for us here.

This is so well orchestrated and serves so many Bush purposes. I'm impressed. This may be Rove's finest hour.

Get rid of Tenet. Replace him with someone who will play ball with Bush, who is clean of any scandals, who may not even know anything abut the scandals. The new leader does what Bush wants, helps to squelch the investigations into Plame, Nigeria, Chalabi, and the rest.

Meanwhile, Tenet gets the blame. That damned Clinton holdover. Now Bush has a mistake he can acknowledge-- trusting anyone Clinton hired. It was all Tenet's fault. There was no conspiracy, no concerted effort behind all of the CIA/nation's problems. It was ALL Tenet's poor management.

It provides a scapegoat, kills the investigation, diverts attention from Bush's hiring of an attorney. It makes Bush look good, making tough decisions. It gives him a scapegoat for any charges leveled in Moore's film.

And it is five months from the election, so any negative fallout washes away by then.

Tenet will play along, most likely. He's been bought, he's been threatened if he doesn't, and he's been promised a pardon if any investigation touches him.

That's my cynical take. Bush doesn't respond to pressure, this had nothing to do with Gore or anyone else questioning Tenet. It's all Rovian strategy.

[chiburb]

139. Disagree on this point:

"Get rid of Tenet. Replace him with someone who will play ball with Bush, who is clean of any scandals, who may not even know anything abut the scandals. The new leader does what Bush wants, helps to squelch the investigations into Plame, Nigeria, Chalabi, and the rest."

The Plame horse is already out of the barn or Bush wouldn't need a lawyer. Fitzgerald does NOT report to the CIA or even Ashcroft re the Plame grand jury, and he's a pissed-off prosecutor now that Bush released the terrorist back to Syria (just as he, Fitzgerald, had an indictment ready).

[keithyboy]

152. The blow-back against Bush has just begun. This is not over.

He wouldn't play ball with the neocons. Looks like the neocons have won. There is little to stop them now...except a thorough cleaning out of Congress and the Executive Branch.

[jobycom]

165. Sure, but

The CIA decisions on whether to cooperate or to stonewall decide whether Fitzgerald's investigation moves forward. A couple of well-placed "security concerns" and Fitzgerald's life gets tougher. Not to mention changed stories, sudden unavailability of key witnesses, roadblocks to public testimony. Fitzgerald can be damn sure that Bush himself leaked the info, but if he can't get testimony to prove it, he's just a frustrated man with an opinion.

[daa]

175. Limbaugh has his White House daily fax

and says Tenet won't be replaced before the election.

[RobinA]

161. Your Take

is my take. Tenet's been gone for ages, he just hadn't left yet. He's such an obvious dumpee I can't get excited. It's not like he's one of the boys. He was hanging out there waiting for the appropriate time for them to cut him lose.

Tenet is the least of our worries. Since every current scandal has the word CIA in it somewhere, they figure now's a good time to get rid of him and show everybody that the root of all current problems has been dealt with. No matter that the CIA didn't set the stage for torture, most likely didn't leak Plame's name, and warned often enough for ME to know about it that there probably weren't many WMDs left in Iraq. The average TV watcher thinks: scandals/CIA/director-resigns/problem-solved.

[jobycom]

169. Yes, they've been masterful

at turning every scandal into a CIA problem, haven't they?

Remember Powell's MTP interview, where the camera was turned away from Powell, just in time to really set up his answer that he was given bad info by the CIA? None of it is Bush's fault, he couldn't be expected to know that the CIA info was wrong. Nor could Powell or any of the Bush boys. It was due to bad CIA management, and that was due to Tenet, and that was due to Clinton/Gore.

[flaminbats]

185. Should we weep for the backstabber?

or the backstabber who cuts the backstabber? :cry:

[jobycom]

200. (chuckle) No.

I'm not weeping for anyone in BushCo, just pointing out that the backstabber of our enemy isn't really our friend.

[Tripmann]

135. Losing focus

Guys, I really hope and pray for everyones sake that with the applecart being upset at the CIA like this (and the trickledown effect), the war on terror being focused on the wrong people and so many resources committed overseas in a country that was never a threat, that resourceful terrorists don't catch your country off guard.

Tripmann

[Scooter24]

137. This

was probably the best way for him to get out. I have this feeling that something is going to come down in the future and he wants no part of it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

138. heard it was because of the 911 commision report already in bush*s hands?

[Pert_UK]

143. BBC LINKS

"George Tenet has resigned as director of the CIA, citing "personal reasons". President George W Bush accepted the resignation and said he would miss the "strong and able" Mr Tenet as head of the US intelligence agency.

The CIA has been at the heart of criticism over faulty intelligence in the run-up to the Iraqi war and over whether 9/11 could have been prevented...

Mr Tenet has been in the spotlight over intelligence failures in the the run up to last year's US-led invasion of Iraq, specifically over claims made by the US about Saddam Hussein's alleged arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3774089.stm

"Spymaster on the defensive"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3464197.stm

[chookie]

146. They asked George to "get on board" of the cover up

There were two difference versions of Chalabi "intelligence": one told by NeoCons, involving an exchange of explosive if bogus intelligence for massive military force in a massive program that would greatly enrich the military/industrial complex and delight hawks and religious wackos AND the usual challenges of sorting out intelligence under pressure, in which some was discredited.

We all KNOW that Cheney and Wolfowitz are the guys behind the embrace of bad intelligence to launch their ambitious program of eternal war in Middle East to subjugate Arab peoples. Maybe Tenet was a "good boy" and tried his best to give them what they wanted, but I think he was under pressure by people who really understood what was going on to disavow the bad intelligence.

I think Tenet was offered the choice of going along with the NeoCon agenda -- which Bush has clearly decided to continue to follow -- to "get on board" of the massive cover-up -- and he refused. I think he has more faith in the American system of justice than Bush and Cheney do, who feel that it can still be bought.

This is merely a casualty of the "civil war" going on within the administration. Chalabi was the first. Tenet was the second -- tit for tat.

[Neshanic]

157. You are right on the money, he was the last loose thread

[teryang]

170. Tenet embroidered the tapestry of lies

...that Powell presented to the UN to justify the war. I don't buy this reluctant Patriot sales job at all.

[robbedvoter]

149. Will he administer the coup de grace now?

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_4629.shtml
Bush Leagues
Bush Knew About Leak of CIA Operative's Name
By Staff and Wire Reports
Jun 3, 2004, 05:28

Witnesses told a federal grand jury President George W. Bush knew about, and took no action to stop, the release of a covert CIA operative's name to a journalist in an attempt to discredit her husband, a critic of administration policy in Iraq.

[Tight_rope]

153. Yupppppie!!!!!!!! Bushco is like popcorn!

Just put a few kernels under the heat add a little "OIL" and they start popping.



Can't wait until the whole bag pops. I'm hungry and I want to eat the whole bag all by myself, but I know that I'll have to share with many others. Anyway, I don't mind, let's enjoy. :toast:

"LET'S EAT THEM UP, EVERY LAST KERNAL!!!!"


:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[robbedvoter]

167. Tenet= good guy - see Mark Fiore cartoon on war opposition:

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/dissent.html

Also, remember, he told W not to put the "16 words" in the speech and didn't quite take the fall for it. he was also urging BFEE to mind OBL BEFORE 911.

[wabeewoman]

190. I'm not sure about 'good'

but the CIA was not behind the push to war. Cheney couldn't get the right answers from the CIA and started his own 'intelligence gathering operation' which included Chabali. What I don't understand is why the CIA is taking all the heat unless its being scapegoated.
edit: clarification

[Media_Lies_Daily]

194. Bingo. The CIA is definitely being scapegoated with help from the...

...GOP-dominated Senate Intelligence Committee.

[JM]

178. Three reasons

1) Chalabi - Bush took the word of his neocons in a new office in the Pentagon over the established agency responsible for overseas intel.

2) Valerie Plame

3) He will resign right before the DNC and RNC, both of which the Admin is scared shitless about regarding terrorism. The real reason for the latest terror alert is that the suspects on the poster Ashcroft released were under surveillance and have disappeared.

----------------------

Don't think for a moment this is new news as far as the Administration is concerned. Karl Rove has a little red box with a glass lid sitting on his desk. Inside are index cards. The sign on the box says "In case of crisis, break glass and release to media"

You had to bet in favor of major news today after last night's CBS report.

JM

[Ripley]

181. I agree with you. 2 things hit the news yesterday...

1. Chalabi told Iran Intelligence that US Intelligence knew their codes.
2. Bush obtained a lawyer for the Plame case.

The last straws for Tenet. And no matter how they spin it that "oh, he's tired and took a lot of heat" crap on CNN...this is horrible for BushCo. Last week Ashcroft told us Al Queda was 90% ready to attack us this summer...another 9/11 coming. So you're telling me at this juncture, the head of Intelligence decides he's gonna QUIT FOR PERSONAL REASONS!

Ahhh, another book to read. There's just not enough time to keep up with all of these former Bush Admin books!

[zulchzulu]

182. Now BushCo. has to have him have a "car accident" ASAP

You know George is being "followed" at this point. He's going to sing big time.

[grasswire]

184. Does this mean a purge in the CIA?

There's an opportunity now for a purge to take place by Bush. Rove undoubtedly has a list of those whose heads must roll.

I don't think this is good right now. It takes the heat off Bush and it exposes the "good" CIA to harm.

[RetroLounge]

188. Personal Reasons?

Like a book Deal?

RL

[cboy4]

191. This is such unfortunate timing.....what a shame for Bush,

our s-e-l-e-c-t-e-d president, having to dig himself out from
yet another hole!! Bwahahahahaha :evilgrin: (Come to think of it, another hole for an A-hole.) I LOVE IT, how fitting!!

Dumbsfeld, cutie-pie Condi, Wolfowitz and
all of the other PNAC criminals might as well do the same
since they're going to be booted out of office in November
anyway!!

[saigon68]

198. THIS THREAD IS WAY TOO HUGE

[ZenLefty]

201. Please continue in the 2nd thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x600284

Sorry for any inconvenience.

ZenLefty
DU Moderator