George Tenet RESIGNED! Thread 2

[ZenLefty]

Link to first thread

[Just Me]

1. I wonder what the next several weeks will reveal.

Should be very interesting,...and enlightening.

Buh-bye, Tenet. :hi:

[tlcandie]

2. If you have not listened to veteran CIAanalys Ray McGovern... it is a MUST

listen! Democracy NOW! interviewed him and he states that he is more afraid now than at any other time that he's known about what this administration might do legally to remain in office! Additionally, he states that they have given the opening salvo with the possible terrorist attack this summer which Asscroft's office released earlier!

This also covers Tenent's resignation and Chalabi...

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/03/1626202

Download the MP3 and listen!

Also states that Tenant is the first sacrifical lamb because they are not willing to give up anyone else at this time. I can't recall who posted earlier about ridding of Tenant and it being right up this admin's alley to replace him with who THEY choose!

EDIT: It was jobycom who posted regarding this scenario earlier in first thread.

[Tellurian]

12. I don't believe for an instant Tenent is a sacrificial lamb...

The fellow is running scared because he doesn't want
to be party to Bush and Rove's insane strategic plans to remain in office.

The Bush team, not unlike animals, when cornered are dangerous.

Look at his picture, the man is sitting there with his hands
literally folded in prayer.

[Gemini Cat]

3. Wow!

This is getting interesting!

Rats and sinking ships and all that.

[kaitykaity]

4. That's what I get for going out without

getting online.

God Damn

[gauguin57]

5. Sacrificial lamb ... absolutely.

I'm not so happy about this. I agree with those saying the Bush Admin. is throwing out the "Clinton holdover" -- hoping this will take the heat off. Hoping the public will think, "well, the Iraq tale spun by Colin Powell et al was all Tenent's fault, so now that he's gone, the right person has been punished, and George will be fine."

If this isn't the first of many, I hope Tenet sings like a little birdie -- tells the whole sordid tale of how the Bush Admin. dragged this country into an illegal, immoral quagmire-war!

[Rocket Science]

40. I hope Chalabi 'sings like a little bird' too - n/t

[VolcanoJen]

7. lmao!!!

Yep, that's also what I get, for going to work today and not finding out until I walked in the door about 5 minutes ago! Holy crap!

I turned on CNN and cracked open a beer, and said to myself, "Well, that's weird. Why is Tenet giving a live speech on CNN?"

[struggle4progress]

6. Tenet's resignation remarks

For the past nine years, I have been privileged to be part of a great American family, the family of American intelligence. I have lived in the heart of the CIA family. In that long and eventful time, we have shared moments of success and disappointment, of happiness and sorrow. Today, I share with you news that I gave the president last evening. I have decided to step down as director of Central Intelligence, effective July 11th, the seventh anniversary of my being sworn in as DCI.

I did not make this decision quickly or easily. But I know in my heart that the time is right to move on to the next phase of our lives. In an organization as vital as this one there is never a good time to leave. There will always be critical work to be done, threats to be dealt with, and challenges that demand every ounce of energy that a DCI can muster.

We have thrown our hearts into rebuilding our intelligence community and I have been richly rewarded with the gratification of working with the finest group of men and women our nation can produce.
I want to say a word of special thanks to President Bush. On entering office he immediately recognized the importance of rebuilding our intelligence capabilities. He spends time with us almost every day. He has shown great care for our officers. He is a great champion for the men and women of U.S. Intelligence and a constant source of support. It has been an honor for me to serve as his Director of Central Intelligence.

And I am especially proud of the leadership team that we have assembled in the intelligence community and which will continue fighting the good fight long after I have taken my leave. I want to thank Mike Hayden, and Jim Clapper, Jake Jacoby, Pete Teets, John Russack and Tom Fingar for their friendship and support.
As I look back on how the intelligence community has evolved over the past decade, there is much to be proud of. First as deputy director of Central Intelligence, and then as director, I have had the chance to be part of a massive transformation of our intelligence capabilities. That revolution may not make headlines, but it will continue to benefit our country for years to come.

American intelligence has, after the drought of the post-Cold War years, begun to receive the investments in people and dollars and attention that we need to meet the security challenges of a new century and a new world. You, the men and women of American intelligence, have put those investments to powerful use. And I believe the American people will continue to demand that this great community of patriots receive the funding and support that you so richly deserve.

At CIA, we have made good progress in rebuilding the clandestine service. We have expanded and empowered our corps of analysts. We have restructured and streamlined our support operations. We have developed and acquired the technologies on which intelligence and espionage depend. With new schools and training facilities, we have sharpened instruction for each of our core professions. We are recruiting the finest men and women in our history in record numbers. These initiatives and I can talk of only a few complement those of other intelligence agencies, and our enduring efforts to build what we call ourselves, what I believe us to be: a true community, working more closely than ever with our partners in the military and in law enforcement, and overseas.

We have done these things together not out of some bureaucratic imperative, but to be better at our mission of protecting American families and the freedoms that make America worth protecting. For many years now, we have been at war with a deadly threat to the United States and its values: the threat of terrorism. Like other wars, it has been a struggle of battles won and, tragically, battles lost. You have acted with focus and courage through it all, before and after 9/11.

What you have achieved in this fight against a clever, fanatical enemy around the world the cells destroyed, the conspiracies defeated, the innocent lives saved will for most Americans be forever unknown and uncounted. But for those privileged to observe these often hidden successes, they will be an unforgettable testament to your dedication and your valor.

On other issues, too, you have done magnificent work. Outstanding support to American forces not only in Iraq and Afghanistan, but around the world. Remarkable successes against weapons proliferators and drug traffickers. Unique insights into the full range of dangers and opportunities that face the United States beyond its borders.
In short: each day, here and abroad, from diverse backgrounds, with varied skills, you come together for a single purpose: to give our country an essential advantage in its understanding of the conditions in the world, and in its ability to change those conditions for the better.

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/155/wash/Text_of_CIA_Director_George_Te:.shtml

[Just Me]

21. Touching. Impactful. Sincere. *eom*

[Tellurian]

8. Tenent looks frightened and bereft...

He is plenty aware of the capability of the Bush Administration to visit untold destruction on US citizens. He knows, and he is frightened to think what might happen to all of us. He is a man wrestling with his conscience ready to burst like a dam swelling to the breaking point against a raging river.

When he feels secure enough to remove his hands;
you see, it's written all over his face.

I believe he will do the right thing and come clean..
It is his job to protect and defend.

[jdj]

47. Was reading about the Maya last night.

In 4 hundred years they went from an egaltarian farming community to an evolved culture with an urban centers and rigid hierarchy and class system, and then poof, they collapsed. It gave me chills, sounded so much like the U.S., development-wise.

I don't get this Chalabi thing, something is up, because if he hasn't resigned before during the scandals of yellowcake and WMD, and after 9/11, there sure isn't any reason for him to go now. Unless it is linked to Plame.

And does anyone really believe this Bob Woodward guy? He's a journalist, for christsakes...it makes me want to puke him tying the Iraq debacle to Tenet, the quote about "it's a slam dunk"seems like such bs, while he made Bush sound like Shakespeare. Did they pay him to do that?

[lfairban]

9. John McLaughlin will take over.

According to http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=1&u=/ap/20040603/ap_on_go_ot/tenet_resigns_8

John McLaughlin will take over as acting CIA director.

This is great! I was into his music decades ago!

http://www.johnmclaughlin.com/

I think I still have a copy of the "Birds of Fire" album on vinyl.

[TahitiNut]

13. Droll.

Very droll. :silly:

[radfringe]

10. here's the spin to blame CLINTON

ok, won't be long before we hear this "logic"

Tenent dropped the ball on 9-11
Tenent dropped the ball on the "yellow-cake"
Tenent dropped the ball in WMD's in Iraq
Tenent dropped the ball about Chalabi
Tenent's information caused bush* to invade Iraq
Tenent was appointed by Clinton

therefore --- it's all Clinton's fault

[TahitiNut]

32. Makes sense to the knuckle-draggers.

That's probably why a Democrat (Norm Mineta) is the Secretary of Transportation ... after all, airplanes are part of the transportation system. :eyes:

[crossroads]

11. So Tenet is taking one for the team?

I missed out on all the news because I slept late! Waaaa...
:shrug:

[Tellurian]

14. Think about it for a minute..

Who can Tenet tell when he has a problem?
the AG is a dead end...(maybe literally?)

The police(?) the fbi(?)

And what would he say?

Ya, know, we have a mashugana president
that he and everyone around him are scaring me.

They want to blow up the world if Bush
can't be president!

[Just Me]

22. I share your point of view, Tellurian.

I do.

[Tellurian]

27. Good...now theres two of us..

what boggles the mind is people can't see
what is happening in reality and are
forming their opinions based on what they
see, read and hear in the news, from known
right wing propaganda sources.

Not that I'm trying to convert anyone to
my way of thinking...but sometimes it feels
like we're p*ssing against the tide,
getting no where but back into the same old
spin, rinse and repeat cycle.

[tlcandie]

30. Not that I don't possibly support your view... but how is Democracy

NOW! a right wing source? :shrug: Additionally, just because I posted it doesn't mean I believe all of it.

I'm still out on the Tenet thing, but I am sure about what this admin is possible of pulling off to stay in power and Ray McGovern, a retired CIA analyst, stated that same thing!

NOW that blows my mind!

[Tellurian]

33. I think your response is to the wrong poster..

my post was direct to the poster "Just Me"..

But nice to hear from ya anyhow. :hi:

[tlcandie]

34. Hehe, no Tellurian, you had posted to me earlier... I just took the

liberty of replying later because it had been a while since I had viewed the thread!

Wasn't trying to start a stink, just asking a question! :hi:

[Just Me]

51. We may have been wrong on this one, Tellurian.

Although Tenet wanted to leave a year ago (and stayed at Bush's behest), apparently Dubya got way paranoid and summarily dismissed Tenet. Dubya is evidencing symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia (or, at least, both paranoia and delusions).

[struggle4progress]

15. Quotations about the resignation of CIA Director George Tenet

<snip>
"He has worked extremely hard on behalf of our nation, and we are grateful for his effort. There is no question, however, that there have been significant intelligence failures, and the administration has to accept responsibility for those failures." Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.
<snip>
"George has sought at every turn to bridge the gap between the CIA and FBI with one goal in mind the security of the American public. ... His resignation is a great loss to the CIA, to the American people, and to me personally. I wish him all the best." -- FBI Director Robert S. Mueller, III.
<snip>
"George Tenet's policies in Iraq for the past 10 years have been not helpful, to say the least. His policies caused the death of hundreds of Iraqis ... . He provided erroneous information about weapons of mass destruction to President Bush, which caused the government much embarrassment at the United Nations and his own country, and George Tenet was behind the charges against me that claimed that I gave intelligence information to Iran. I denied these charges and I will deny them again... ." -- Ahmad Chalabi.
<snip>
"I don't think it's enough ... The president won't be able to evade responsibility (for intelligence failures) by having, frankly, somebody appointed by Bill Clinton resign." Rep. Robert Matsui, D-Calif., head of the House Democratic campaign committee
<more>

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/06/03/national1321EDT0634.DTL

[struggle4progress]

16. Bush admin blamed for intel failures

DEMOCRATIC presidential contender John Kerry said today, after the resignation of CIA director George Tenet, that the US administration should take responsibility for the "significant intelligence failures" under Tenet.

Kerry said in a statement that the US intelligence services had to be reformed and a new director of national intelligence post created to oversee all agencies.
<snip>

Kerry added: "This is an opportunity for the president to lead. As I've said for some time, we must reshape our intelligence community for the 21st century and create a new position of 'director of national intelligence' with real control of all intelligence personnel and budgets."

Kerry had already called for Tenet to stand down because of controversies over Iraq intelligence and the September 11, 2001 attacks.

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,9742371%5E1702,00.html

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. Why don't we just abolish

all these Intel Agencies and use all that money for useful stuff, like schools, roads and doctors?

The world would be a much more prosperous and safe place.

[struggle4progress]

19. I once heard an old recording of Truman:

he said if he had known what the CIA would become, he never would have signed the original legislation

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. Most of the crap that's going on

is generated by groups like the CIA, OSP, Mossad, and M15. al Qaeda is just another tool that these folks use to make excuses for their never ending war against themselves.

[JoFerret]

39. I was having the same thought

...scrap em all and how bad would it be? After all the nonsense they have delivered it is a reasonable proposition.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. after listening to Tenets farewell speech I am convinced hw was forced out

something really smelly here....and chalabi is in on it with evil bushco!

[Tellurian]

23. Well, someone has to..That is what Bushco wants you to believe...

Histrionics dictate,

What Bush says, and what he does
are as opposite as night and day.

[tlcandie]

31. This has been proven to be true Tellurian!

nt

EDIT: Wasn't it watch what they do NOT what they say!?

[Just Me]

35. If Tenet has discovered "hard-copy" proof of criminal conduct,...

,...by "certain" political appointees,...would that create the wisdom to resign for "personal reasons" (especially if he may be a witness)?

:) Just, think about it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

49. yup Molly Ivans said, "DON'T read bush*s lips watch where his feet go"

[ElsewheresDaughter]

48. Tellurian I agree with you "What Bush says, and what he does..............

are as opposite as night and day.

[Kadie]

20. Pelosi Statement on CIA Director Tenet's Resignation

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 03, 2004
CONTACT:
Brendan Daly/Jennifer Crider
202-226-7616



Pelosi Statement on CIA Director Tenet's Resignation
Washington, D.C. -- House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, a 10-year veteran of the Intelligence Committee, released the following statement today on the resignation of Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Director George Tenet:

"George Tenet is a valued public servant who has made many significant contributions to the work of the intelligence community, but apparently he believes it is time for a change in leadership.

"There certainly were intelligence failures in the Iraq operation, particularly in the months preceding the invasion. There have been many other failures as well; I do not believe his resignation should be the only response to those failures."

http://democraticleader.house.gov/press/releases.cfm?pressReleaseID=593

[struggle4progress]

37. More Pelosi

CIA Chief Tenet Quits for Personal Reasons, Bush Says (Update5)
<snip>
House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi said administration resignations over faulty intelligence and the ongoing problems in Iraq should not end with Tenet, and she reiterated her call for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to step down. She said Bush also is accountable for the failures.
``I think there are many more people who are responsible for the mess,'' in Iraq, she told reporters. ``The responsibility goes far beyond George Tenet.''
<snip>
The California Democrat said she didn't believe Tenet's resignation was connected to the Bush administration's withdrawal of support for Ahmad Al-Chalabi, the Iraqi exile who is reported to have fed the U.S. misinformation about Hussein's weapons program.
``The CIA never placed much confidence in Chalabi, the White House did,'' Pelosi said. ``It appears that it was on the basis of much of the information that Chalabi gave the administration that a decision was made to go to war.''
<snip>

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aRlT.BzOaiaw&refer=us

Other quotes from other sources at link

[Gloria]

45. Good comments by Pelosi!! Pointed and she defends the CIA...

I wish Kerry could be this direct.........

However, I'm hoping we get to see Wes Clark hammer the Chalabi angle again! He's really been the only one out there until recently. He was ahead of the curve in saying that we had to cut our ties to Chalabi.

Of course, we now see that Chalabi is AGAIN being pushed for a position in the new gov't!! I'm sure Clark will be on this again, if given the chance.

[nomatrix]

25. I think I'll pass on speculation

to read his book. (But my first impression was Michael Moore's new movie looks pretty daming)

[ScreamingMeemie]

26. Why do I feel like he was pushed onto his sword, rather than

falling gracefully??

[Endangered Specie]

28. ladies and gentlemen... WE have a SCAPEGOAT!

OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!!

[Endangered Specie]

29. At least he didn't go out like Roehm.

;)

[maddezmom]

36. possible replacements: Armitage, Goss, Kerrey and RUDY?

Among names mentioned as a possible successor are House Intelligence Chairman Porter Goss, R-Fla., Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, former Sen. Bob Kerrey, D-Neb., and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.


Giuliani's spokeswoman, Sunny Mindel, discounted any talk of the former mayor assuming the CIA post.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=513&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20040603/ap_on_go_ot/tenet_resigns

[maddezmom]

41. BUSH* asked Tenet to stay?

Rep. Ray LaHood, R-Ill., who befriended Tenet while serving on the House Intelligence Committee, said he talked to Tenet Thursday afternoon and Tenet told him the president asked him to stay.

[Just Me]

50. Well, according to another thread, Dubya got paranoid as hell,...

,...and summarily fired Tenet. Dubya thinks everyone is his enemy.

I guess the "leaks" (which were not within his control) finally pushed him off that cliff from which he was looking down at the rest of the world,...being a man who believes he is God's agent and all.

[robbedvoter]

38. Bob Graham said on Randi's show: W always drops bad news before leaving

the country. Last time when he left for Africa, he dropped the 16 words in the SOTU - BTW - those weren't true

[many a good man]

42. Goss Triangle: All 3 Sides Win

The fix is now clear: Tenet bails after testifying but before the reports are filed. He takes the heat off BushCheney but gives himself powerful leverage by being able to testify as a private citizen in any subsequent investigations. Chairman Porter Goss writes a clean report and steps in as DCI.

Porter Goss:
A former officer with U.S. Army Intelligence and the CIA, Porter brings personal knowledge and experience to his role as Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He also serves on the House Rules Committee, which is responsible for how legislation is presented on the Floor, and the new Select Committee for Homeland Security.

[Gloria]

43. Sally Quinn, of all people, had a comment on one of the Air America

shows (Franken or Kaplan? Probably Kaplan)...

She made sense. She said that the "personal reason" was partly true. She recounted how Tenet had gotten fed up with being driven, so he drove himself, with a guard car behind. One day the windshield blows up and his wife is trying to get control of the car. Although it turned out to be deer, at the time they thought that terrorist had tried to take him out and it put the fear of God in them. ( I do vaguely remember that incident reported in the press)

But...she went on to say that although it was known that he might be on the way out, his leaving this way was a total surprise. She said that he was sick of covering for Bush, basically. He had fallen on his sword for Bush but had reached the end of the line. This is basically what Randi Rhodes opined today.

If that's the case, then maybe we'll get some info from Tenet after July.
This Chalabi thing may have been the last straw, because the fix is in on Chalabi...I see he's now AGAIN up for a position in the new Iraqi govt.!!

Randi Rhodes commented today that Bush chose Chalabi over the CIA. I think she may be right....

[Gingersnapsback]

44. When Tenet learns to "IM his son's buddies

Maybe he will have a hint how real intelligence works. The problem is that these guys are computer illiterate, which is why we don't have a computer networking system within the CIA and can't link any data base to other sources. They aren't on top of their game.

I know that Gore at the very least knows how to Instant Message even if he didn't really invent the Internet.

[demgrrrll]

46. Gore made a point of noting that he thought Tenet was a good man.

I think that is important. Bush lawyers up. Someone wrote that his
need for legal advice may have as much to do with Geneva violations
as it does with Plame. My gut feeling is that Tenet has had enough.
I feel the same was McGovern feels. I shudder to think just how far
these folks will go to hold on to power.