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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:39 PM
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Army Shows 1st Uniform Redesign Since '81
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/army_new_uniform

WASHINGTON - The Army revealed on Monday a redesigned combat uniform with a digital camouflage pattern that looks strikingly different from soldiers' current battle dress uniforms.

It marks the first major change in the Army uniform since 1981, said Brig. Gen. James R. Moran, who modeled the uniform for reporters at the Pentagon (news - web sites). He said recruits will be issued the redesigned uniform starting October 2005, and the entire Army will be outfitted by December 2007.

The uniform is being produced in a single, universal pattern to replace the two camouflage versions in current use: tan-brown for desert use and green-brown-black for woodland settings.

Soldiers also will get a new, no-shine, tan combat boot, and the current black boots will be discontinued.

The coat-trousers combination costs $88, compared with $56 for the current battle dress uniform

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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:40 PM
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1. Wow. That's...something.
Pajamas and Timberlands?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:41 PM
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2. Something tells me they won't be allowed to let them sag down
Pull your pants up PRIVATE!
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:43 PM
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4. An Army of High School Boys
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 05:53 PM
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28. hahahahah
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:42 PM
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3. is that the color scheme?
It looks a lot like urban camouflage (with all the grey in it).
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:43 PM
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That's where BushCo wants the next war!
Downtown!!!
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TolstoyAndy Donating Member (493 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 05:11 PM
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24. Rick's correct: we are the enemy next time around n/t
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:46 PM
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7. It says that it is a ~"one size (color) fits all"
I guess that color would camouflage you in woodlands :shrug: I can sorta see that.
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:54 PM
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9. gotta hope it's a beech wood!
Some shades of tree bark and leaves could be problematic (even with the blotches to break up the person's outline).
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:57 PM
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10. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt here
Why? I'm not sure but I am.

I was trying to picture that soldier back in the woods and I think it will work- I AM assuming that they tested this.
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maxpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:43 PM
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Interesting
However, I thought they would somehow work Saint Ronnie into the design.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:43 PM
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5. Well, it's certainly not camouflaged!!
He sticks out like an ink spot in a snow field.

Who's bright idea was this, and how much money is this going to waste before they realize what a mistake it is - come on now - soldiers are going to get killed because of this.

It looks blue - great for the desert {/sarcasm}
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joe freedom Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:46 PM
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6. .
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 03:51 PM
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8. Welcome to DU Joe freedom
uh...nice sig line you've got there.
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joe freedom Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:00 PM
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11. It isn't the sig line.
It's the post of a pic of the new uniform.

(Yeeeesh...gimme' a break....)
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:02 PM
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12. Oh I totally missed that
I guess Hitler doesn't tickle my funnybone.

On second thought that is very funny......sad but funny.
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joe freedom Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:11 PM
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15. Believew me, he doesn't tickle my funnybone either.
I'm just getting disgusted that half my country thinks it is OK to torture and kill people because they are children of a lesser god.

I am seeing more instances of trailer park inbreds claiming that we can't win the war on terriers unless we destroy all believers in Islam.

The uniform pic seemed appropriate.

Besides which, they haven't accepted Jesus Christ as their personal lord and savior, so they deserve to die.< /sarcasm>
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:04 PM
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13. Velcro - well they sure aren't going to be quiet
This will drive some grizzled non-coms nuts! When you're out there in the boonies trying to be quiet and you open a velcro pocket! Riiiiip! Oh that's going to be loud!

And they sure don't look all that camo to me.

To me it looks like some REMF's in the Pentagon with no experience in the field designed this uniform.
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KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 02:00 AM
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55. That noisy Velcro is gonna get someone killed someday
No way the Special Forces and/or Ranger-types are gonna sign off on those uniforms. Please believe there will be a non-Velcro model coming down the pike or at least exceptions to regulations to allow modifications to that ridiculous feature.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:06 PM
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14. they are not gonna wear THAT before Memorial Day i hope
is that blue?

grey? :shrug:

those BDU's look like pajamas
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truthseeker1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:13 PM
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16. Brig. Gen. James R. Moran
Moran??
:evilgrin:
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:16 PM
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17. Here's another pic....
the patches in OD green look awful.

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:22 PM
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18. Is this a joke?!
Those uniforms are UGLY, are totally weird looking--like some movie about a fictional fascist state or something. There's an air of foreignness about them.
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:50 PM
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21. I agree completely....
WTF is up with that collar?

These uniforms look horrible?

These arent the same as the new ones the Marines are using are they? They cant be because the Marine ones atleast look decent.

Damn why is the Army wasting money designing this piece of crap, just use what the Marines have created.
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TolstoyAndy Donating Member (493 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 05:22 PM
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25. Of course there's an air of foreignness ...
Of course there's an air of foreignness about them.

They're made to blend with the uniforms of the foreign troops that have been screwing around the US for a long time. My source on this is old, but the stories keep coming up.

I heard a sherrif in TX interviewed on 2 SW radio shows in 2003:
(infowars.com and americanfreedomnews.com iirc).

He had had a ton of complaints from people near the border, and the uniform was always unidentifiable.

With the new version, they'll be able to say, "that was our American boys", instead of "that was our new Czech friends" or whatever is the BS of the day.

The new uniforms are here to help take away whatever rights we have left.



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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 05:27 PM
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26. Mas Oui ! Topped off with a "Freedom Beret" !
Tres chic, as ChimPee's "good buddies," the French, would say.
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:04 PM
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33. OMG, I recognize that expression!!!
I had the exact same expression in pictures of me circa first grade at Halloween... "MOM, you are not going to make me wear THIS are you?!?!?! "
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 09:20 PM
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49. Looks like a Stars Wars rip-off!
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 04:09 AM
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59. Saves me having to look for a photo!
That's the first thing that struck me about the uniform: "Hey, it's just
like Star Wars".

On a more serious note, I don't think that the "continental" or
"foreign" appearance is coincidental ... this is moving towards the
anonymous "riot police" look and will mean that there will be little
difference between mercs and soldiers who've taken off their velcro
strips ...
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exploited Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 10:55 PM
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50. Nice...
they're replacing the combat uniform designed in 1981 with hip street fashion that was worn in 1981.

It's acid wash too... nice.




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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:35 PM
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19. *cough*
The coat-trousers combination costs $88, compared with $56 for the current battle dress uniform

Not only are they butt ugly, they are more expensive as well. Doesn't the army pig out on enough cash?
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Wild Bill Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 05:44 PM
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27. well it is cheaper if they only have one type of uniform.
Now we pay for 2 types. 2 x $56 = $112? vs $88. Sounds cheaper to me.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:43 PM
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20. Jesus, they looked like accidentally bleached Marine cammies
:eyes:
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Romulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 05:01 PM
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23. ROFL!!
:spank:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 04:54 PM
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22. It's only fitting Imperial Soldiers should wear different uniforms
than those who served the Old American Republic.

Geez, if not, it would be like Darth Vader wearing a Jedi Knight's Robe!
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 06:07 PM
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29. Here's a good graphic on new uniform features
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 06:47 PM
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30. Oh the Fashion Horrors!
Damn, I'm glad to have served on active duty when "Jesus was a Corporal." Way back before the Army's love affair with Velcro?!? Yikes! To quote my Nephew's favorite term, that looks *fugly.* I don't care if it's highly functional, they should immediately drop kick the designer back to the drawing board. :P
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 06:57 PM
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32. EEK! Fashion of mass destruction. Gays will not join now!
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tranche Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:21 PM
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41. Did i just read the word "blouse" on this image? n/t
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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 02:58 AM
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58. It's the new Martha Stewart...
fall line called "Sweet Revenge". Exclusively for the new recruiting campaign- "An Army of Nerds"

These guys just crack me up. Truly stranger than fiction. I wonder which blouse I will wear tomorrow?
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many a good man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 06:51 PM
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31. So ugly they look like Pickles must have picked 'em out!
One size fits all...sheesh! Seen 'em at Walmart for years!
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:06 PM
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34. They look awful.
Who is making them? Halliburton?
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:11 PM
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35. Isn't it cute! Oh, I love the little ruff
and it's just such a lovely shade of taupe with teale highlights.

Oh, and salmon coloured boots to finish off the ensemble flair.
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raifield Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:22 PM
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36. I like the 'shoot me here' rank badge...
Great place to advertise the ranks of the soldiers...right in the middle of their chest! Does that say "Shoot here" or is it just me?

Even with the body armor, the rank in the middle of the chest is easier to see by someone looking though, say, a scope.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:34 PM
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37. I can't believe it! Non-functional and sneaky.
The Blouse has a ZIPPER instead of buttons. Do they realize what a build up of sand can do to the functionality of a zipper.

Also Officers will NOT display their Branch Insignia. That's UnSat. How can we distinguish the infantry from the engineers. I guess that will allow the corrupt spooks (*some* MI Officers) to enter in-and-out of prison camps without notice (just another officer).
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 07:42 PM
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38. Ah, let me guess? Manufactured by Halliburton.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:05 PM
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39. And they're totally invisible to computers.
Mine can only see trees, a back yard and a pair of shoes.



Anyway,

the Marine urban camo is more urbane:




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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:16 PM
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40. These duds look familiar somehow
There's something vaguely "futuristic" about the design, in a theatrical way. Did something similar appear in science fiction movies from the fifties, say "The Day the Earth Stood Still" or "Earth vs. the Flying Saucers"? Maybe it's the collar.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:51 PM
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47. Forbidden Id . . . I mean, Planet?


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absolutezero Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 11:52 PM
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52. starship troopers
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Algomas Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 02:54 AM
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57. Plan 9 from Outer Space baby!!!
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St. Jarvitude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:31 PM
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42. Damn! And here I was hoping for the rainbow cullottes
Oh well :( Maybe in 2017 *sigh*

P.S: Is it me, or do those tan boots make the soldiers look barefoot? It just looks odd, for a soldier :shrug:
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St. Jarvitude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:31 PM
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43. Damn! And here I was hoping for the rainbow cullottes
Oh well :( Maybe in 2017 *sigh*

P.S: Is it me, or do those tan boots make the soldiers look barefoot? It just looks odd, for a soldier :shrug:
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:32 PM
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44. I believe the technical term is "Feldgrau"
i.e. "Field Gray".

http://www.feldgrau.com/
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Peregrine Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:33 PM
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45. They've been talking about the no polish boots for decades
When I was in, they announced the switch (never happened) and everybody was so happy.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:35 PM
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46. It'll blend perfectly with this:

Hiroshima, 1945
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 08:52 PM
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48. Nice urban warfare camo.
Orange, grey and white are perfect for urban combat. Not that we need to worry about what it signifies. Everyone go back to spending money and being patriotic.
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absolutezero Donating Member (879 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 11:50 PM
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51. starship troopers
the uniforms look exactly like the fatigues in starship troopers

it looks really weird, like the uniforms are meant for the arctic or urban combat.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 12:35 AM
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53. Could blend in with a field of rocks pretty well, or concrete
Other than that, it kind of reminds me of something from an old Dr. Who episode.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 01:10 AM
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54. "fictional fascist state"
Nope, a real one!
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 02:28 AM
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56. Look for these uniforms in a city near you
Gunning down anti-war protestors
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 07:28 AM
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60. No-shine boots?! How is the Army going to keep privates busy at 4 a.m.?
I agree with the earlier post about velcro. What a totally idiotic idea!

My guess is a private contractor sold this outfit to the Pentagon, and no one bothered to think about the consequences.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 07:55 AM
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61. Geez the NCO's won't have anything to chew you out about
That's funny-yes no shine boots (whistling) Uh I Uh have nothing to say to you Private.........go to the track park and do maintenance.


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