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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 11:31 PM
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Fox News censured for rant against BBC
As seen on The Raw Story, http://www.rawstory.com

Fox News censured for rant at BBC
Ofcom says Murdoch station broke programme code

Matt Wells, media correspondent
Tuesday June 15, 2004
The Guardian

Fox News, the US news network owned by Rupert Murdoch, has been found in breach of British broadcasting rules for an on-air tirade that accused the BBC of "frothing-at-the-mouth anti-Americanism".

Television regulators said the broadcaster failed to show "respect for truth" in a strongly worded opinion item, broadcast on the day the Hutton report was published, which also accused BBC executives of giving reporters a "right to lie".

Ofcom, which licenses commercial channels shown in Britain regardless of where they are based, received 24 complaints about the remarks. In a ruling published yesterday, it described the offending item as a "damning critique" but said it did not stand up to scrutiny.

It is the third ruling by British regulators against Fox News, which is available in Britain to Sky Digital customers, in the past year. It broke the rules on "undue prominence" in two previous news items which plugged beauty products and a seed manufacturer.

This is a tricky issue for Ofcom: how to regulate channels which are not produced principally for viewers in Britain. The Independent Television Commission, which preceded Ofcom, responded to complaints last year that Fox did not meet its strict "due impartiality" rules by issuing a ruling that is regarded in some quarters as a fudge to avoid a standoff with Mr Murdoch: it said "due" meant "adequate or appropriate", and Fox News could justifiably claim to have achieved a level of accuracy and impartiality that was appropriate to its audience in the US, where different rules apply.

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1239094,00.html?=rss
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wjsander Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 11:43 PM
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1. From FOX, that's a compliment
And who are they to condemn the BBC for giving their reporters the "right to lie"? That's like Bush saying that Hitler invading Poland was an evil act.
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sally343434 Donating Member (628 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 11:45 PM
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2. "where different rules apply"
> Fox News could justifiably claim to have achieved a level of
> accuracy and impartiality that was appropriate to its audience in
> the US, where different rules apply.


HA! That made me laugh! What rules? In the US, it's all fabricated propaganda ... all the time!
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 12:20 AM
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4. Faux News, fairly unbalanced



June 5 Anti-war March in LA images here:
http://ediablo.com/LAprotest6-5-04.html
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-14-04 11:47 PM
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3. How are accuracy and impartiality affected by the audience???
Journalism is either accurate and impartial or it's not. What's really being said here is that Fox can shovel its BS in America but they're not going for it in England.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 12:44 AM
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5. Good show, well done, and cheerio!
:headbang:
rocknation
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 01:03 AM
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6. Faux News is now officially an international joke.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:51 AM
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16. Hear hear.
Edited on Tue Jun-15-04 10:52 AM by lumpy
Faux is a joke with 50% of US viewers also.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 01:33 AM
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7. fox can legally lie....
http://www.hypocrites.com/article10829.html

On February 14, a Florida Appeals court ruled there is absolutely nothing illegal about lying, concealing or distorting information by a major press organization. The court reversed the $425,000 jury verdict in favor of journalist Jane Akre who charged she was pressured by Fox Television management and lawyers to air what she knew and documented to be false information.

The ruling basically declares it is technically not against any law, rule, or regulation to deliberately lie or distort the news on a television broadcast.


===
well, imagine my surprise.....
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 01:35 AM
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8. Fucks Gnus...
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 01:42 AM
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9. It was John Gibson
The Fox presenter, John Gibson, said in a segment entitled My Word that the BBC had "a frothing-at-the-mouth anti-Americanism that was obsessive, irrational and dishonest"; that the BBC "felt entitled to lie and, when caught lying, felt entitled to defend its lying reporters and executives"; that the BBC reporter Andrew Gilligan, in Baghdad during the US invasion, had "insisted on air that the Iraqi army was heroically repulsing an incompetent American military"; and that "the BBC, far from blaming itself, insisted its reporter had a right to lie - exaggerate - because, well, the BBC knew that the war was wrong, and anything they could say to underscore that point had to be right".

Ofcom said Fox had breached the programme code in three areas: failing to honour the "respect for truth" rule; failing to give the BBC an opportunity to respond; and failing to apply the rule that says, in a personal view section, "opinions expressed must not rest upon false evidence".

Looks like over there Faux can't get away with with letting cretins like Gibson run their mouths with no proof.
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 07:54 AM
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10. crazy
I can't believe DUers aren't going ga-ga over this ! ;)
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:35 AM
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11. link to video of it (worth watching)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=36566

At the time I thought possibly it was one of those 'viewers have their say' programs, but obviously not.

I think scsifreak's thread title just about says it all:
"Concrete Proof Fox Commentators are High on Serious Reality-Bending Drugs".
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:50 AM
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12. Wow! The Two Minute Hate lives!
The man outdoes Baghdad Bob. And so proud of his body-snatcher's lapel flag too.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:46 AM
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15. Link doesn't work!
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 10:58 AM
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17. yep, you're right, it was working 45 minutes ago
maybe too much traffic, (perhaps being chartiable).
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legin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:15 AM
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19. OK seems to be working again n/t
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:52 AM
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13. Can you say PRAVDA?
Well, the British apparently can.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 09:56 AM
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14. As soon as I saw that I KNEW it must have been a foreign nation
Obly a Free World Nation would take such a step to protect the integrity of it's media structure.

Unlike Imperial Amerika, which now hasn't belonged to the Free World for quite some time...
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 11:09 AM
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18. I'm starting to think that someone's being blackmailed
by al quaeda.

We get attacked and lose 3000 citizens on 9/11.

But alqaeda/binLaden/Taliban, THEY'RE not the problem.
No, it's Iraq, it's the BBC, it's Natalie Maines, it's Michael Moore, it's France, it's Hugo Chavez, it's homosexuals, it's war protestors, it's digital cameras and cell phones, it's...it's...it's anybody but who IT IS.

ARGGHHH.

p.s. oops, I left one out. It's the caribou, that's who's to blame.
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norrinr Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 12:22 PM
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20. Are there not any american TV watchdog organizations?
That lot that went loopy about Timberlake feeling a right tit - don't they have any powers over your news media?
I'm a foreigner (a Scot) but even I can discern the blatant bias of Fox News - "Fair and Balanced" is a downright lie.
Surely you have some organisation that can make them cease using that phrase?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 12:26 PM
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21. The FCC serves the Imperial Family, not the public.
As such, you should NEVER expect the FCC to behave even remotely as they did when Amerika was a Free Country.
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 12:46 PM
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22. I visit a news industry site--Cablenewser.com
But it ought to be called "Foxbrownnoser.com. The webmaster posted Gibson's rebuttal of the BBC censure today but didn't bother to post the point-by-point article which outlined the allegations against Fox and their feeble responses. You're going to love one of the Fox points of defense. They claim that if you go to Google.Com and key in the words "BBC Lied" it comes up with several thousand hits. Therefore, what John Gibson said must be true because Google has sites that link to similar claims! Hey--there are links to Fox News Lies and Bush Lies too--does that mean that they're all telling the truth and that--gosh--Fox and President Bush Lie? Faux's twisted logic at work again. Anyway, here's a link to the point-by-point case against Fox, their rebuttal and the British Government's official findings on each point:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/article/ds14717.html

And here's an expert from the report:

"We recognise how important freedom of expression is within the media. This item was part of a well-established spot, in which the presenter put forwards his own opinion in an uncompromising manner. However, such items should not make false statements by undermining facts. Fox News was unable to provide any substantial evidence to support the overall allegation that the BBC management had lied and the BBC had an anti-American obsession. It had also incorrectly attributed quotes to the reporter Andrew Gilligan. Even taking into account that this was a ‘personal view’ item, the strength and number of allegations that John Gibson made against the BBC meant that Fox News should have offered the BBC an opportunity to respond."


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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 12:54 PM
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23. Wow, reading that report makes me nostalgic for the Old American Republic
This is like something you would have read back when that country still existed...
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 06:25 PM
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24. Once upon a time, you could find Faux's Mission Statemen on their web site
But last time I looked, it was no where to be found. IIRC, it had something about counteracting a perceived liberal bias in the mainstream media. Which in and of itself declared Faux's bias, putting waste to their claim of "fair and balanced."
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 07:00 PM
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25. You wouldn't believe the people who think
that just because Fox News is the top-rated news network (sad, but true) that therefore somehow makes them the best news network. I always try to argue back that Britney Spears sells billions of records but that hardly makes her Mozart.
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hankthecrank Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-15-04 08:10 PM
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26. It's the caribou, that's who's to blame.
I see them out west, sneaky buggers.

They travel in ones or two's.

Some times bigger groups. That's when they plot strategy I guess.

They also eat grass just like cows. So their guts also have their one weapon.
WMD ( methane gas )

As in an old comedy act

"I fart in your general direction" not really at you more at bushie :)

sorry couldn't help myself
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