Saudi prince: Zionism to blame for terror attack

[seemslikeadream]

By Lisa Myers
Senior investigative correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 7:56 p.m. ET June 15, 2004Last month, an attack on contractors at the Saudi oil facility in Yanbu killed six Westerners, two of them Americans. Senior Saudi officials told the world al-Qaida terrorists were to blame and al-Qaida claimed responsibility.



But tape obtained by NBC News reveals that, inside Saudi Arabia, on Saudi television, Crown Prince Abdullah told a strikingly different story about who was to blame.

NBC News translated Abdullah's remarks from Arabic: “Zionism is behind it. It has become clear now. It has become clear to us. I don’t say, I mean... It is not 100 percent, but 95 percent that the Zionist hands are behind what happened.”

Other senior Saudi officials reaffirmed the claim that supporters of Israel — Zionists — were behind the terror attacks.

Prince Nayef, the Saudi Interior Minister said, “Al-Qaida is backed by Israel and Zionism.”



According to William Wechsler, former National Security Council member and co-author of the Council on Foreign Relations report, “They have yet to arrest or incarcerate anybody publicly. And if you don’t take those actions then you can’t have deterrence.”

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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5218227/

[NMDemDist2]

1. wow they lie as much as their buddy in the WH does

i'm Shocked i tell ya Shocked

[goforit]

25. They're all bad and pointing fingers at each other.

Actually it is quite commical!!!

Saudi prince- Sharon - Bush - Blair

Bad to the bone!!!!
May they all sink together!!!

[seemslikeadream]

2. Update on the Global Campaign Against Terrorist Financing

Mallory Factor

Lee S. Wolosky
Boies, Schiller & Flexner

William F. Wechsler
Greenwich Associates

Council on Foreign Relations

A Comparative Assessment of Saudi Arabia with other Countries of the Islamic World

A Technical Assessment of Certain Saudi Arabia Laws, Regulations, and Institutions

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http://www.cfr.org/pub7111/mallory_factor_lee_s_wolosky_william_f_wechsler/update_on_the_global_campaign_against_terrorist_financing.php

[seemslikeadream]

3. Bipartisan Panel Commends U.S. and Saudi Efforts to Disrupt Terrorist Fina

Bipartisan Panel Commends U.S. and Saudi Efforts to Disrupt Terrorist Financing, But Says More Progress Needed



June 15, 2004 - Citing recent efforts on the part of the United States and Saudi Arabia to halt terrorist financing, a Council-sponsored independent task force report released today concludes that, despite progress, much more needs to be done. The report finds that while "al-Qaeda's current and prospective ability to raise and move funds with impunity has been significantly diminished... al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations still have ready access to financial resources, and that fact constitutes an ongoing threat to the United States."

The bipartisan commission was chaired by Maurice R. Greenberg, Chairman and CEO of AIG. "This report is realistic and fair," said Greenberg. "We give credit where credit is due, but we also detail further changes that are needed to stop the funding of terrorism."

Mallory Factor, Chairman of Mallory Factor Inc., served as vice chair. It was directed by Lee S. Wolosky and William F. Wechsler, two former National Security Council officials. The report, Update on the Global Campaign Against Terrorist Financing, is a follow-on to the Council's 2002 report which concluded that persons and organizations based in Saudi Arabia were the most important source of funds for al-Qaeda.

The task force update describes minimal progress until May 2003, when al-Qaeda began a string of attacks inside Saudi Arabia, prompting more comprehensive Saudi action against terrorism. At that time, Saudi Arabia announced new laws, regulations, and institutions regarding money laundering, charitable oversight, and oversight of the financial services sector, and the government began subjecting its anti-money laundering regime to international scrutiny.

The Bush administration also acted quickly to take advantage of the newfound political will in Saudi Arabia to reinvigorate its own efforts to combat terrorist financing. The two countries announced the creation of a joint terrorist financing task force, and have moved to close branches of international charities known to finance terror.

Specifically, the task force reports several positive findings:

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http://www.cfr.org/pub7110/press_release/bipartisan_panel_commends_us_and_saudi_efforts_to_disrupt_terrorist_financing_but_says_more_progress_needed.php

[salin]

4. Is that the same Prince that Bush told - before Powell - about his

decision to attack Iraq?

[rooboy]

5. I thought it was Prince "Bandy-Ass" who got told... n/t

[salin]

7. as I asked the question - both names were running through the head

not sure which.

I believe that Prince Abdullah made a visit to Crawford a month for so after Sharon stepped up the siege on Ramallah and Arafat's compound.

[seemslikeadream]

6. Really good question

I want to know that too

[amandabeech]

9. Bush's buddy is Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador.

Crown Prince Abdullah is the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia since King Faud, who I believe is Abdullah's father, is in very, very ill health and living in Switzerland, I believe, most of the time. I seem to recall reading that Abdullah is less pro-American than some Saudi princes, like Prince Sultan, his one-time rival. I believe that Sultan may be the foreign minister. Sultan has a base named after him in SA, I believe.

The Saudi monarchy's hold on the country is rumored to be very shakey, with much rumbling from Wahabi extremists and Al Quaeda types who would like to replace the current regime with a much more Islamist one, even if the next regime would be composed of a different set of Saudi princes. The current leading princes stay on top by not blaming the Islamic extremists in public, but taking at least some action behind the scenes. They whole situation seems incredibly complex.

[TahitiNut]

11. Prince Bandar is Prince Sultan's son and Crown Prince Abdullah's nephew.

Prince Sultan is King Fahad's full brother. Crown Prince Abdullah is also a brother of King Fahad (who had a stroke in 1995). All three are sons (along with 41 others) of King Ibn Saud, the 'founder' of modern Saudi Arabia in 1932 who died in 1953. He had 19 'recognized' wives. Since then, the crown has passed from brother to brother ... Faisal to Khalid to Fahad.

There are about 6,000 members of the Saudi "Royal Family."

[emad]

17. Mossad has an awesome penetration rate among the Gulf

principalities, emirates and kingdoms. It won't be until the full disgusting truth about Enron finally comes out that this particularly deceptive blamegame is seen for what it really is: BFEE chicanery.

[Cassandra]

38. I remember you

You're the one who can't even keep track of which Windsor is getting married.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x507582

While I would agree that the BFEE is neck deep in this, why would you infantilize Arabs with the assumption that they are incapable of managing their own nefariousness?

[hightime]

8. Reverse logic...cute...I use it on my kids....until they were 10!!

Do they really think they can reduce the anger of the people by saying the resistance is backed by Israel?

[aquart]

10. Yes.

God knows, it's working all over the rest of the Arab world.

So al qaida is a Jewish conspiracy, the Muslims are INNOCENT!

And that Saudi money that keeps turning up in connection with 9/11? All a Jewish plot.

[mallard]

13. And so comes the automatic 'denial'

The 95% figure does seem rather high, but hear the man out. Let the evidence speak for itself. Frankly, I can't understand why the Saudis aren't pushing for a huge international criminal investigation into the 9/11 Attacks, since they seem 'framed-in' if they don't.

It's not beyond comprehension that Mossad has a few thugs on the loose in the Kingdom of Saud.

Beyond that, there's always the view ala Mahathir that Zionism itself - as an ethnic-based (privitized) political force - draws out these violent 'for an eye/for a toothers' with state-sponsored banishment, imprisonment, torture, land-seizure and assorted atrocity visited upon fellow Muslims and Arabs.

It does seem to be a real factor, beyond the cozy window-dressing denial sponsored by associates of the other side.

[The Stranger]

24. Actually, "the Muslims" are innocent. 19 do not make an entire faith of

millions. Please don't make that mistake again.

[oblivious]

12. al-Qaeda -- the all-purpose propaganda tool...adaptable, versatile...

GOEBBELS' PRINCIPLES OF PROPAGANDA

14. Propaganda must label events and people with distinctive phrases or slogans. (al-qaeda gonna getcha)

16. Propaganda to the home front must create an optimum anxiety level. (booga, booga, they're here, they're there, they're everywhere)

18. Propaganda must facilitate the displacement of aggression by specifying the targets for hatred. (arabs in the US, zionists in Saudi Arabia)

[PurityOfEssence]

14. Oy, that damned Bin Laden: tanked up on Manischewitz and lookin' ta kill

Guess he gots one a them yarmulkes on under his bernoose, too, huh?

[nodehopper]

16. LOL and touche.

[Donkeyboy75]

15. Is "Zionism" a guy in Al-Qaeda?

:shrug:

Otherwise, this dipshit makes no sense at all.

[Aidoneus]

18. sorta not really

the crimes of the Zionists may be one factor behind the energy of the movement(s) at work, but the fact of the matter is that it is more motivated by the misrule of the Princes and their crusader masters. The desperation of the royals in making these statements shows just how successful the revolution is in these early stages, and how terrified the royals are of it.

This might be a calculated statement to supremely irritate those who are behind it, but as popular as the Qai'dat al-Jihad is in the peninsula, I wouldn't be swatting at that beehive if I were the royals.. :shrug:

[emad]

19. It is becoming increasingly clear that BCCI was the first "Al-Qaeda

megabank to go down the pan. Other, smaller banking disasters include Union Bank of the Middle East (Dubai-based scam of the Galadari brothers; Abdul-Wahab Galadari was busted in NY for heroin dealing and got off after Poppy did a deal with Bandar), Artoc Bank and Trust, Gulf International Bank and up to a dozen Arabian Gulf-based banks in Bahrain, the UAE, Oman, Saudi and Kuwait. Also Saudi-owned foreign banks like Al Bank Al Saudi Al Fransi, and AL Bank Al Saudi Al Hollandi.

The one common denominator that these have is that they laundered drug money, arms dealing funds and the proceeds of thefts on a large scale, that were under the covert control of Mossad in the 1980s when Thatcher was PM and Poppy was VP. The objective was always an attempt to create a "Greater Israel" by stealth, including the placement of Mossad-bankrolled individuals into positions of power and high public office. Iraq was one of the prime locations after Jordan and Egypt.

Mossad acted as intermediary because its network of agents had acheived deep penetration in the Muslim world from the mid-1960s onwards. And all the evidence has always pointed to Mossad being run by the Soviet Union.

The UK Special Branch has classified documents showing the financial links and covert networks initiated by Poppy when he was Head of the CIA and Marcus Wolf, head of the Stasi (East German version of the KGB) during the 1970s. Some of these documents form part of the litigants' evidence in the current BCCI class action in London where former creditors are suing the Bank of England for "misfeasance" and are claiming a record £1billion in damages. It took 12 years to get the courts to release this security material from MI5 and MI6 archives. Currently the Bank of England is appealing once again about the most sensitive of these papers being used during the trial, and this has temporarily halted proceedings in the High Court. The evidence is highly damaging to Poppy, Reagan and the BFEE in all its form today. Edwin Meese is alleged to have been the prime motivator to keep these papers out of the public domain.

The BFEE was far more intrinsically enmeshed with espionage politics during the Cold War and after than has been ever admitted. Its entire raison d'etre was revisionism - the kind that sanitised the Iran Contra outrage so publicly at Reagan's funeral last week.

The Saudis may be screaming blue murder today, but they are as culpable as any of their non-Muslim counter-parts.

[Disturbed]

20. Tinfoil hats in Saudi Arabia too?

Uh...the Zionists, friends of BushCo, backed the 911 Attackers too? BushCo is also chummy with the Saudis. This is all so confoozin'.

[emad]

22. Poppy was head of CIA and was instrumental in establishing

criminal network in security/intelligence services using Mossad/KGB to launder money from drugs, arms dealing, vice and proceeds of crime in general. The vehicles for this were a series of banks that went belly-up. Most notorious of these is BCCI which Bob Morgenthau closed down in NY in 1990/91. Bank lost approx $50 billion, but the final bill is still unclear as litigation in the UK courts finally began this January after 20,000 former account holders won permission to sue the Bank of England for negligence. Took them 12 years to get their proof which was shrouded in state secrecy in UK intelligence files gagged by Thatcher, John Major and also Tony Blair. Gagging specifically ordered to protect the criminal links between Bush Sr and Bush Jr ciminal networks in the Arab world with strong links to Mossad/KGB dirty ops during the cold war.

Enron another example of BFEE behemoth that went belly up.

BFEE = biggest criminal organisation on Planet Earth.

[papau]

21. the Pakistan bank connection via the Qureshi family should be on

your list -

Public facts are the International Bank of GOPer Under Sec of Commerce Olmstead, the American Bank with Burt Lance as front man, and Union Bank - indeed the DC banking infrastructure knew and did not tell.

The CIA bragged about Mossad co-operation - so the idea of the Mossad acting as intermediary in these things is possible - but the CIA is quite able to do its banking games without middle east help - from either side.

But this post run's off the rails with the idea that the Mossad is/was being run by the Soviet Union. There are racist folks (in the sense of being anti-Jew ) at State and the Pentagon and the CIA who claimed this, but they never could come up with any real evidence.

All real evidence says the Mossad does not trust the US and the US does not trust the Mossad, but they have worked together well - and if anything - the US has run the Mossad against enemies of the US.

[emad]

23. The Mossad/KGB evidence is held in documents subpoenaed

by the BCCI litigants in London. These were gagged for 12 years until BCCI litigants finally won the right to release them from the UK security/intelligence services last year. Bank of England has gone back to the House of Lords (earlier last month) to challenge the use of these documents as being harmful to security. This is after the Lords ruled last year that the docuemtns were only protecting the individual reputations of US and UK politicians and were therefore NOT protecting national security. This means that former heads of government in the UK like Thatcher and Major have lost any possibility of immunity from criminal prosecution, which they may be now liable for because they ordered the gaging of these papers to protect Bush and the BFEE.

The most damaging of all the documents related to Bush Sr when he ran the CIA and Marcus Wolf, Stasi head. The papers detail all the mutual agents they used, their payments and the conduits for these financial transactions during Israel's war against Egypt, as well as black ops to place KGB-trained Mossad agents in Gulf kingdoms including the United Arab Emirates, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi, Oman and Bahrain. The latter was important because in the early 1980s Bahrain was persuaded to permit the opening of "offshore banking units" - ie. exempt financial institutions not subject to rigid regulatory scrutiny - to allegedly facilitate foreign exchange. What happened was that oil and liquid natural gas revenues from Gulf states were easily and undetectably laundered via these OBUs into mainstream banks like BCCI.

The London class action documents show how easy it was then for terrorists like "Carlos the Jackal" to be paid for executing Stasi orders.

Don't know about the racist slur: the London documents point to Bush Sr heading a covert network using CIA/Mossad/KGB/Stasi/MI6 etc individuals to set up the dirty ops to finance terrorism - under the "brands" of the IRA, Bader Meinhof, Eta, Hamas, etc etc.

Mossad's abysmal cock-ups during the cold war are well documented. The reason for their spectacular failures mostly to do with Bush's financial dirty tricks being busted - like when the banks folded.

[papau]

26. I know only the US/CIA side of this -the KGB side was put down as nonsense

by the folks I was BS'ing with back then. (and since of much of my real knowlege cofirmed the BS'ing, I tend to believe what I heard).

It will be interesting if/when the documents come out - and indeed see if they say anything about other Banks beside BCCI (and I know of the other banks) - and see if those documents provide more than an assertion of KGB/CIA/Mossad co-operation.

It sounds more like everyone was using the same source for their reports back home - and then paying those sources. A KGB trained Mossad is at this point in the story not believable by me - but if true will be up there with LIHOP! Indee, if true, a CIA/KGB co-operation in dirty ops to finance terrorism - under the "brands" of the IRA, Bader Meinhof, Eta, Hamas, etc etc. - is perhaps a bigger find!

The lack of regulatory scrutiny of banks is known - but proves little about Mossad/KGB connections. My "racist slur" refers to the rather well known reasons the Mossad actually had spies in the US - like we had spies in Isreal - there was in the 70's and 80's (I do not know post that time) folks that were anti-Jew in the US gov intel business.

[emad]

28. Don't know when the Lords will rule on the admissability of this

evidence in the UK High Court class action. 12 years of rigid UK intelligence gagging points to the ultimate nightmare scenario for Bush Sr and the BFEE getting exposed for their role in terrorism under indigenous terrorist "brands".

From my personal contacts testifying at this class action it would appear that many 1970s, 80s and 90s terrorism acts were designed to scapegoat the UN Head of Military Intelligence who testified to the Supreme Court of the US about Bush Sr and Ronald Reagan's personal input in arming North Korea with nuclear weapons via covert agreements made with the Soviet Union using KGB/Stasi networks. Also about the whitewashing of Reagan's extensive history of paedophile crimes when he was a Hollywood B actor. Always remember Barbara Bush's apologia that she and Poppy were "only the hired staff".....

[seemslikeadream]

29. Thanks for everything emad

It's easier to keep up when you're around.

[emad]

30. A pleasure, hopefully all the greater when the BCCI headlines

hit the news stands and the BFEE is branded for being the murderous scumbags that we know them to be.

[geek tragedy]

27. Wow--a Jewish conspiracy

to control the world banking system and dominate the planet. Sounds familiar.

[Octafish]

32. Seems the Bush Organized Crime Family have accomplished it.

Don't know about the religious angle, but the BFEE worships lucre:

The BCCI Affair
A Report to the Committee on Foreign Relations
United States Senate
by
Senator John Kerry and Senator Hank Brown
December 1992
102d Congress 2d Session Senate Print 102-140

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

Introduction and Summary of Investigation
The Origin and Early Years of BCCI
BCCI's Criminality
BCCI's Relationship with Foreign Governments, Central Banks, and International Organizations
BCCI in the United States - Initial Entry and FGB and NBG Takeovers
BCCI in the United States - Part Two: Acquisition, Consolidation, and Consequences
BCCI and Law Enforcement - The Justice Deparment and the US Customs Service
BCCI and Law Enforcement - District Attorney of New York
BCCI and Its Accountants
BCCI, The CIA and Foreign Intelligence
The Regulators
Clark Clifford and Robert Altman
Abu Dhabi: BCCI's Founding and Majority Stockholders
Mohammed Hammoud: BCCI's Flexible Frontman
BCCI And Georgia Politicians
BCCI's Lawyers and Lobbyists
Hill and Knowlton and BCCI's PR Campaign
Ed Rogers and Kamal Adham
BCCI and Kissinger Associates
Capcom: A Case Study of Money Laundering
Legislative and Policy Recommendations
Appendix - Matters For Further Investigation, Witnesses and Writs

SOURCE and LINKS to all the above reports:

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/

BTW: THIS is why I support John Kerry for President. He stood up to the BFEE - and all their henchman from DEM stalwart Clark Clifford to acting pretzeldent Poppy Bush to senile Pruneface Reagan to the crook Meese to the traitor North to the CIA bagman Noriega to all the narcotraffickers and big-time terrorists around the globe who banked at BCCI. Are you going to join him in this fight?

[seemslikeadream]

33. Sign me up Octafish I'm ready for a fight. Gee!! I wish I were a man

[Octafish]

34. You're already in it, seemslikeadream!

The Feds have ALL of our email addies, our home addies and our identities -- thanks to the miracle of digital technology. Those who post here, and spread the word person-to-person, on the phone, via fax, through letters and any other way also are watched, identified and catalogued.

And you know what? You and they are heroes!

The reason? You've helped the Watchers realize they are not snooping on crooks and criminals. Instead, they discovered that the people they work for are the enemy -- traitors.



EDIT: Found a nice picture.

[emad]

36. Or a KGB cold war terror offensive using Mossad rentboys

to hire mercenaries looking for a cause.

Never forget that the Taleban threw the Russians out of Afghanistan after 10 years of futile conflict. That particular heroin turf war ended with the BFEE recruiting a new chump - Putin - to open up the trade routes and get the oil pipelines flowing.

What better way of rallying US support for a war agaist the Taleban than orchestrating a plausible villain who commits an outrage - 9/11 -to put the BFEE back in business again.

[seemslikeadream]

37. The poppies

Those precious poppies!

[JohnLocke]

39. Got any links, or is this all from your extensive intelligence contacts?

:crazy:

[Octafish]

31. Come, we all have Jihad.

This article by the highly paid BFEE turd Daniel Pipes explains why the drunken turd Christopher Hitchens became the card-carrying BFEE turd he now is:

12-02-02: Fact & Fiction

Jihad: How Academics Have Camouflaged Its Real Meaning
By Daniel Pipes

EXCERPT...

JIHAD AND HISTORY

In premodern times, jihad meant mainly one thing among Sunni Muslims, then as now the Islamic majority.** It meant the legal, compulsory, communal effort to expand the territories ruled by Muslims (known in Arabic as dar al-Islam) at the expense of territories ruled by non-Muslims (dar al-harb). In this prevailing conception, the purpose of jihad is political, not religious. It aims not so much to spread the Islamic faith as to extend sovereign Muslim power (though the former has often followed the latter). The goal is boldly offensive, and its ultimate intent is nothing less than to achieve Muslim dominion over the entire world.

By winning territory and diminishing the size of areas ruled by non-Muslims, jihad accomplishes two goals: it manifests Islam's claim to replace other faiths, and it brings about the benefit of a just world order. In the words of Majid Khadduri of Johns Hopkins University, writing in 1955 (before political correctness conquered the universities), jihad is "an instrument for both the universalization of religion and the establishment of an imperial world state."

As for the conditions under which jihad might be undertaken—when, by whom, against whom, with what sort of declaration of war, ending how, with what division of spoils, and so on—these are matters that religious scholars worked out in excruciating detail over the centuries. But about the basic meaning of jihad—warfare against unbelievers to extend Muslim domains—there was perfect consensus. For example, the most important collection of hadith (reports about the sayings and actions of Muhammad), called Sahih al-Bukhari, contains 199 references to jihad, and every one of them refers to it in the sense of armed warfare against non-Muslims. To quote the 1885 Dictionary of Islam, jihad is "an incumbent religious duty, established in the Qur'an and in the traditions as a divine institution, and enjoined especially for the purpose of advancing Islam and of repelling evil from Muslims."

JIHAD WAS no abstract obligation through the centuries, but a key aspect of Muslim life. According to one calculation, Muhammad himself engaged in 78 battles, of which just one (the Battle of the Ditch) was defensive. Within a century after the prophet's death in 632, Muslim armies had reached as far as India in the east and Spain in the west. Though such a dramatic single expansion was never again to be repeated, important victories in subsequent centuries included the seventeen Indian campaigns of Mahmud of Ghazna (r. 998-1030), the battle of Manzikert opening Anatolia (1071), the conquest of Constantinople (1453), and the triumphs of Uthman dan Fodio in West Africa (1804-17). In brief, jihad was part of the warp and woof not only of premodern Muslim doctrine but of premodern Muslim life.

CONTINUED...

http://hnn.us/articles/1136.html

Gee. Substitute "Funie nutjobs" for "Islam" and you've got PNAC.

[Chicago Democrat]

35. Probably for Domestic Consumption... The Sauds have to keep the people

Happy, and if not happy, confused. With lies that work at home. Bush does it. Putin does it. Bejing does it. All governments lie. Some boldly.