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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:12 PM
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Kerry to increase child care tax credit by$20 (+McCain to campaign w/Bush)
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 02:15 PM by Timefortruth
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-06-16-Kerry-childcare_x.htm

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Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who has been asked for months whether he would join the Kerry ticket, said Wednesday he has never been offered the job of Kerry's running mate and would not accept such a position. He declined to comment on whether he and Kerry had discussed a unity ticket. The Associated Press reported that discussions ended last week with McCain rejecting Kerry's request to consider being his running mate.

"I'm not going to talk about private conversations I've had with senators. I'm just not going to do that. But I was never offered that," McCain said. The Arizona Republican said he will campaign for Bush's re-election.


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Freeperville says that McCain will be on the stump with Bush next week. Is there any question which McCain puts first,his country or his political party, now?
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Mandomaniac Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:17 PM
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1. I like McCain
The reason he's stumping for Bush is because he knows that's what he should be doing, since they're in the same party, not because he likes *, IMO. I think McCain is a stand up guy.
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Timefortruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:20 PM
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2. Sorry, if he were a decent man he'd just stay home.
He does not need to go out of his way.
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cease_fire Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:30 PM
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4. I hate to sound uneducated but...
Since when should a Senator support an elected official only on the basis of his party affiliation?

That's the ultimate problem with this entire fiasco of a government - no one will support what's right - only what's incumbent.

It's as stupid of a development in modern government as there ever was.

McCain should be supporting his constituency, not an Administration that reeks of corruption simply because "They're in the same party."

Honestly, at what point do we drop the labels and look at the issues?

I'm not attacking your position on McCain - in fact, one of his more remarkable qualities has been his tenacity for finding truth and fairness. And the very President that he's now campaigning for has been the subject of MOST of McCain's badgering.

What changed? Who has pictures of who doing what?

HOW can McCain campaign for this President?

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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:57 PM
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5. yesterday someone posted where mcCain vote against a hate crime
bill about gays and lesbians....hate crimes... don't have the link....but he votes against many things that we hold dear......

Allard (R-CO)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fitzgerald (R-IL)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Nickles (R-OK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)



I used to think he was a good guy...it is because he stands up and speaks truth sometimes...but he is a repub....he his thoughts, actions and deeds.....
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:07 PM
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15. I can't go with you on the hate crime thing
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 07:10 PM by AZDemDist6
all crime is hate and "thoughts" shouldn't be penalized. Whether the killer is a lover or a hater has nothing to do with the fact he/she killed. There are more murders stemming from domestic violence than there are "hate crimes" in the USA I'm willing to bet, but we don't strengthen DV laws

just thinking out loud here...

on edit tho, the Nuclear bunker buster vote was terrible by McCain
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:05 PM
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6. How did McCain get cult status around here?
He's funny.. but he's also cruel. He said one thing in particular about Chelsea Clinton what would have had most Democrats frothing at the mouth in anger. He said, at a fundraiser, that Chelsea was ugly because 'her father is Janet Reno'. Yeah.. sounds like a great guy! A real class act.

Just because McCain is willing to call bullshit occasionally on the GOP, does NOT mean he has anything to offer the Democrats. He lived through Bush and Rove dismantling his character in the 2000 primaries, and he still stumps/whores for Bush.

If pimping for the guy that humiliated and tried to destroy you is supposedly part of your job description, then you need to find another job. I personally think that his ego will not let him give up on the idea of running for President next time around... I also think he may be toying with the idea of VP should little Dick's ticker suddenly weaken again.. conveniently. Has anyone thought of that?


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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:29 PM
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20. Same question
I've read the tale of McCain's terrible joke about Chelsea before, and I read that he apologized for the joke to Clinton. I wonder if he apoligized to Senator Clinton?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:39 PM
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12. Make no mistake McCain is a far right nut case from the
Goldwater mold. How anybody would cast the bastard in a positive light is beyond me. Of course he will campaign hard for chimp. He is solidly on chimp's side. NPR has been talking up the Kerry-McCain thing like is was a fact for months. It is nonsense, it could never happen.
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olddem43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:47 PM
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16. Don't degrade Goldwater
Compared to the far right nuts we have now, he would be considered very moderate, possibly even liberal. At least he was principled. Remember, he was the one that told Nixon it was time to go.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:24 AM
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22. "In your guts you know he's nuts!"
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 02:22 PM
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3. Was this whole Kerry/McCain for VP thing a ruse to get McCain to
show his true colors? Or was it to make Kerry appeal to the moderate Right? Or is Kerry actually a right leaning Dem?
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:08 PM
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8. Kerry is about probably the most liberal person in the senate.
He's just trying to suck up votes from the center.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:27 PM
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9. No, McCain is respected, like Kerry: The Genuine Article
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 03:28 PM by ElectroPrincess
Despite his traditionally conservative values which I also disagree with, McCain is the real deal, i.e., he, like Kerry, is more likely to level with the American People.

No, Kerry is NOT the most liberal member of Congress by a long shot. Besides, like Clinton, he values concensus building. We need genuine leadership and cooperation to move this country forward.

On edit: one typo ; )
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:32 PM
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10. There is no basis in law and order or morality for supporting
the Bush Junta. McCain, through unwavering support for them proves he is the same kind of criminal. He is a neocon through and through. He has learned nothing from history.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:37 PM
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11. He's also is a Republican and can't stray as far ...
Remember when McCain told BushCo to "lay off" the Vietnam war slams of Kerry? McCain is a complex thru and thru "old conservative" type politician. However, he's smart and knows that he can't stray too far from the Republican center of power. If he does any campaigning for Bush, I believe it will be half hearted. I don't think McCain is one of the beasties who wish to conquer the entire middle east. He's a traditional conservative which is bad enough. However, Democrats can carry on a conversation with him without getting into invectives. At least that's a start.
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AlGore-08.com Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:22 PM
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18. "McCain is a straight shooter", "maverick", "different kind of Republican"
Are media myths by the same collection of talking heads who spent 2000 saying that Smirk was "a different kind of Republican", "a compassionate conservative", "a moderate", "a straight shooting every man". McCain gets a lot of glowing reviews from our side for doing his freaking job - - working with Democrats to get legislation passed. On the other hand, when Democrats in the Senate work with Republicans, we bash them mercilessly.

Talking up McCain is a bad idea for this election cycle, because McCain is stumping for Smirk. He's not doing it in a half hearted way either, he calls Smirk "a great moral leader". Any time we praise McCain as being some special case who is inherently honest, we make it easier for McCain to persuade people to vote for Smirk.

Talking up McCain is a bad idea for the future as well. If Kerry loses, McCain is the obvious Republican front runner for 2008. If Kerry wins, there is a slightly smaller chance that McCain will run against him in 2008.

Personally, I wouldn't care if McCain was everything his PR says he is: the guy's a conservative and dead wrong on almost every issue. I have no interest in having another conservative Republican in the White House.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 11:55 PM
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21. good words and I agree ..we are helping make him a diety....our
mistake...and I am starting to see that.....he has us fooled....he is against what we hold dear....and if he is for bush we know we don't want anything to do with him.....
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mulethree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 03:08 PM
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7. its $2000 not $20
Edited on Wed Jun-16-04 03:11 PM by mulethree
raise it from $3000 to $5000
spend $20 Billion over 10 years
Federal after-school funding to keep schools open til 6pm

Oooh, Yummy, pay for it by closing corporate tax loopholes
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:47 PM
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13. McCain the Republican for the Republican candidate, imagine that
Now that McCain's made it abundantly clear that he's GOP through and through, could we please put to rest forever the idea of having a Republican on the Dem ticket?!
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 04:54 PM
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14. "Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly?"
"Because Janet Reno is her father."

John McCain.

He's also one of the Keating Five.

http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm

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olddem43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 07:56 PM
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17. It may be a good thing
By being a good party member, McCain could be left as the de facto head of the Repubs when Bush & Co. go bye-bye. He is at least someone that Kerry can do business with.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-16-04 08:26 PM
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19. All republicans put party first
They equate them (party, country) as being the same. That is the danger in their attitude (turning blind eyes to any republicans that do wrong).
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