9/11 panel: One jet might have been stopped

[mia]

Military, FAA officials to testify on how orders were issued
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5232563/

The Associated Press
Updated: 8:51 a.m. ET June 17, 2004


WASHINGTON - Plagued by miscommunication and confusion, the Pentagon’s air-defense command missed an opportunity to possibly intercept at least one of the hijacked planes on Sept. 11, the federal panel reviewing the attacks said Thursday in a report released ahead of its last public hearing before it wraps up its work.

<snip>

A particularly haunting section of the report includes transcripts of three brief transmissions from the cockpit of American Airlines Flight 11, which took off from Boston and was the first plane to strike the World Trade Center. Mohamed Atta, the alleged ringleader of the 19 hijackers, who piloted the plane, is heard instructing passengers to “just stay quiet. We are returning to the airport.”

<more>

[Junkdrawer]

1. Yes, today the panel will put to rest all the **ahem** confusion...

I’m sure there are many who are curious as to how the inexplicable will be explained. I was curious myself, and was able to obtain an advance summary of the findings:

Firing from a sniper's nest with a limited view, Lee Harvey Oswald’s second shot enters Kennedy’s back just below the neck. The bullet then zigs from Kennedy's neck to Connelly's chest and from there to Connelly's leg. Later it falls out, in pristine condition, on a stretcher where no one notices it until several hours later.

You see, nothing suspicious at all. All you conspiracy theorists should be ashamed of yourselves. Hardly seems worthwhile to see Fahrenheit 9-11 now, does it?

[gandalf]

2. Yes, there was no conspiracy. Just human errors

You should see some people on a German forum I occasionally read. They act triumphantly as though everything were resolved now.

Very Big BS.

The commission left so many issues untouched (e.g. the many parallel exercises on 9/11), that nobody can claim that the important questions are answered.

edited to clarify my opinion.

[damnraddem]

13. Wasn't it Rumsfeld who took operational control from Air Force ...

officers, requiring orders to shoot down hijacked planes come from his office? In other words, didn't Rummy make it impossible for the AF to defend Washington? Aside from anything else, this would be enough to require Rummy's firing.

[al bupp]

3. That noise you hear...

... is snickering from the peanut gallery.

[gandalf]

5. Ewige Blumenkraft? Was soll denn das sein?

Rapsöl?

[Hegemony Cricket]

9. You know, I love Babelfish so much...:-)

"Ewige Blumenkraft? Was soll denn das sein?"
---Babelfish---> Eternal flower strength? What should be?


Rapsöl?---Babelfish--->Rapeseel oil?

[lectrobyte]

4. I read somewhere that supposedly the air defenses

"just happened" to be conducting some sort of drill involving a hijacked plane scenario, which added to the daisy chain.

[Minstrel Boy]

6. There were multiple wargames and simulations the morning of 9/11 which

are best explained as adding intentional confusion. They stretch the belief of all but the most confirmed coincidentalist.

For instance:

"bizarre coincidence": Cheney monitors crash simulation morning of 9/11
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1298401

New bombshell: on 9/11 Pentagon conducted live-fly hijacking wargame
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1694495

[JohnyCanuck]

7. Action alert re. the 9/11 war games coverup by the Commission

Action alert from the 9-11 Visibility Project at www.septembereleventh.org:

Dear 9/11 Truth activists and concerned citizens,

The final 9/11 Commission hearings are scheduled for
this Wednesday and Thursday, and will be aired on
CSPAN. Ostensibly these hearings will focus on "the
9-11 Plot." However, given the Commission's failure to
ask any of the important questions at previous
hearings, no credible sources expect them to do so this
time. Therefore, this action alert does not ask you to
make another appeal to the commission. Rather it is
directed towards the media, at this crucial time, in
order to alert them to the fact that the 9/11
commission is a whitewash.

Please participate! The final hearings covering "the
9/11 Plot" combined with the upcoming release of
Michael Moore's new film, "Farenheit 911," provide an
incredible window of opportunity. The media and the
public have never been as skeptical of the official
story of 9/11 as they are right now!

We provide everything you need in this email, including
sample letters and media email addresses.

Towards 9/11 Truth,

Emanuel Sferios
Webmaster, 9/11 Visibility Project
http://www.septembereleventh.org
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9/11 MEDIA ACTION - EXPOSE THE 9/11 COMMISSION
WHITEWASH!

SAMPLE LETTER
(Feel free to copy and paste, or use your own words.)

-----
Dear editor/reporter,

The final 9/11 commission hearings are upon us and the
important questions as put forth by the 9/11 families
have not been asked. Many of these questions pertain to
the evidence for Bush Administration complicity in the
attacks themselves, and the refusal of the 9/11
commission to address them is indicative of a coverup.

Ostensibly these hearings are supposed to focus on "the
9/11 plot" and the unprecedented failures of our air
defense system to respond to the hijacked aircraft. If
the commission took their mandate seriously, they would
inquire about the wargames that the US Military was
conducting on 9/11.

Wargames? What Wargames?

On the morning of Sept. 11 itself, the U.S. military
was conducting scheduled wargames and anti-terror
drills that included "airliner hijackings" as well an
"errant aircraft" crashing into a government building.
As referenced in the articles linked below, these
wargames have all been reported in the mainstream
media. Certainly they are relevant to the 9/11 plot. If
the commission is not a whitewash and truly wants to
get to the truth of 9/11, they will ask the hard
questions.

9/11 War Games - No Coincidence
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=387

The Cleveland Airport Mystery
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=323

NORAD was conducting a live-fly, hijack Training
Exercise
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/060704_tripod_fema.html


For more questions the 9/11 commission is refusing to
ask, please visit the Family Steering Committee website:
http://911independentcommission.org

For more information on the 9/11 Truth movement, please
visit:
http://www.911truth.org
http://www.911visibility.org

Thank you and sincerely,
-----

EMAIL ADDRESSES

Below are 72 select email addresses for both mainstream
and alternative media outlets, as well as the
commission itself. Copy and paste the first one into
the "to" field and the rest put into the "bcc" or "cc"
fields. (And add your own!)

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ar games coverup by the Commission.

[UpInArms]

16. is this the link that you seek?

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/cia-simulation.htm

The National Law Enforcement and Security Institute will be holding a conference called "Homeland Security: America's Leadership Challenge" in Chicago on 6 Sept 2002. The star speaker is Rudolph Giuliani. One of the other speakers is CIA man John Fulton. Here is the crucial sentence from the promotional literature for the conference:

On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building.


Fulton's entire passage from the promotional literature

John Fulton - Intelligence Networking & Analysis

On the morning of September 11th 2001, Mr. Fulton and his team at the CIA were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way that day. Information is the most powerful tool available in the homeland security effort. At the core of every initiative currently underway to protect our country and its citizens is the challenge of getting the right information to the right people at the right time. How can so much information from around the world be captured and processed in meaningful and timely ways? Mr. Fulton shares his insights into the intelligence community, and shares a vision of how today's information systems will be developed into even better counter-terrorism tools of tomorrow.

...more...

[0007]

8. Watch it now on c-span3

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. No shit Sherlock

They should have been able to stop 3 planes. Why didn't they?

[JPZenger]

11. Why Didn't George W. Take Command????

The 9-11 Commission gave a detailed report this morning of what happened among civilian and military authorities on the morning of 9-11. It described a great deal of confusion, faulty information and mis-communication among Flight Controllers, the FAA and the military.

No one was really derelict - but there was a complete lack of a COORDINATED response. For example, the FAA in D.C. hesitated in ordering the grounding of all airliners, after local controllers requested it. The timeline consisted of individual controllers calling their superiors who then had scattered contacts with individual military officials. The military was contacted late, and only scrambled 2 planes at a time. But even when the military fighters took off, they didn't know where they were supposed to go. The fighters from Cape Cod, MA went circling off the coast of Long Island and the fighters from the Norfolk area when straight out into the Atlantic Ocean. Fighters in the midwest later went chasing after an airliner that wasn't even hijacked. The flight that went down over PA. which was headed to the Capitol Building was being tailed by an unarmed military cargo plane.

The standard operating procedure already existed that a hijacked plane was supposed to be tailed by a military fighter.

In all of this - the question remains, after the second plane crashed - where was George? He was still reading to kids in an elementary school. He didn't leave the elementary school for 30 minutes. He didn't demand an immediate status report, didn't ask for options, didn't contact NORAD,, and didn't race into the air on Air Force One as soon as possible. From Air Force One, he could have communicated directly with every U.S. military unit in the world. Also, from Air Force One, Bush could have best protected himself - which is important in order to maintain command and control in an emergency.

Once the second plane crashed, it was obvious to everyone that a terrorist attack was underway. Any other President would have taken command immediately and ordered every single available Air Force and Navy fighter to take up positions over the largest U.S. cities. Remember that the original plans were to also attack L.A., Seattle and Chicago. Most fighters on standby in other parts of the country (such as California) never took off.

When Bush finally got to Air Force One, he didn't leave the reporters behind. Instead, valuable time was wasted on the ground to re-check everyone's baggage.

Instead, the order to shoot down hijacked planes came after all four planes had already crashed. And it came from Cheney.

Furthermore, the timeline never mentioned Rumsfeld. Where was he?

[DulceDecorum]

14. Rumself was practising his CPR techniques

Others were luckier. Some, such as Michael Petrovich, 32, an Army specialist, reacted swiftly. He threw a computer out of the window, then jumped though. He suffered second-degree burns. Paul Gonzalez, 46, a budget analyst, smashed a hole in the wall and crawled out. HE WAS PULLED TO SAFETY BY DONALD RUMSFELD who, although ordered by the secret service to leave the Pentagon, had refused.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/16/watt16.xml

And now for the cover-up

Nation Reels as Toll Mounts; Bush Denounces 'Acts of War'
By David Von Drehle
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 13, 2001; Page A01
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said he has reason to hope the death toll at the Pentagon will be lower than originally feared -- somewhere between 100 and 200 people. It was a measure of the day's enormity that this number -- roughly equal to the death toll of the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 -- was greeted with something approaching relief.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A21240-2001Sep12

LIES.
This is what Rumsfeld actually said.

Secretary briefs reporters at Pentagon September 12 2001
Rumsfeld: Good afternoon.
I have taped a message to the people in the defense establishment across the world, which I understand is going to be available shortly. I'm en route over to another meeting in the White House in the next few minutes, so I thought I'd just stop down and make two or three points.
FIRST WE BELIEVE AND ARE CERTAINLY HOPEFUL THAT THE NUMBER OF CASUALTIES BEING REPORTED IN THE PRESS IS HIGH. As you know from your own observation out there, the work is still going forward, and we won't know for some time precise numbers. But from everything that we currently know, the estimate that's been widely reported is considerably high, and we certainly pray that that's the case.
<snip>
I'd be happy to respond to a few questions.

Q: Mr. Secretary?

Rumsfeld: Yes, Bob?

Q: The causality figure you referred to I assume is the 800 number that was provided by the Arlington County Fire Department.

Rumsfeld: It is.

Q: And you say it's considerably high. We've heard from the military --

Rumsfeld: I said I hope and pray that it is.
http://usinfo.state.gov/is/international_security/terrorism/sept_11/sept_11_archive/Rumsfeld_Says_Terrorist_Attacks_Show_a_New_Battlefield.html

And there were no reporters aboard Air Force One,
this is what Ari the Liar had to say.
As you can see, they were so terrified that they could not jeopardize the wherabouts of the plane by contacting anyone on the ground.

Press Briefing to the Pool By Ari Fleischer
Aboard Air Force One
1:47 P.M. EDT September 11, 2001.

Q Who is with him on the plane?

MR. FLEISCHER: Chief of Staff Card, Karl Rove, Dan Bartlett, myself, Gordon.

Q -- that's it?

MR. FLEISCHER: Yes, as I indicated, we?ve pared everything back so

that we can ?

Q And does the President feel hunted or in jeopardy? I mean, he is kind of trying to stay out of ?

MR. FLEISCHER: The President is looking forward to returning to Washington. He understands at a time like this, caution must be taken; and he wants to get to back to Washington.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010911-6.html

[seemslikeadream]

15. civilian Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld

9/11 Tapes Reveal Ground Personnel Muffled Attacks-Rummy changed procedure

http://www.observer.com/pages/frontpage2.asp

What’s more, the decades-old procedure for a quick response by the nation’s air defense had been changed in June of 2001. Now, instead of NORAD’s military commanders being able to issue the command to launch fighter jets, approval had to be sought from the civilian Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld. This change is extremely significant, because Mr. Rumsfeld claims to have been "out of the loop" nearly the entire morning of 9/11. He isn’t on the record as having given any orders that morning. In fact, he didn’t even go to the White House situation room; he had to walk to the window of his office in the Pentagon to see that the country’s military headquarters was in flames.

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For literally years, I've been questioning why NORAD behaved completely contrary to what everyone who'd been associated with it for the previous 50 years would have expected in a situation like this. Yes, the media reported NORAD never trained for this scenario, but others tell me NORAD trains for UFO landings (and was not attempting to be making a joke). That they train for every conceivable situation. But what was the other explanation, then?

The explanation is that Rumsfeld changed the procedures so that fighter launches went through him. And ONLY HIM. Meaning that when Cheney tried to relay Bush's orders to get fighters in the air (btw: I don't easily buy the 'technical problems' stuff - it really sounds like Cheney simply tried to take over the chain of command with Bush's highly misguided blessing), they were either not believed, or blatantly disobeyed because they did not come from either the President, or Rumsfeld himself.

radwriter0555

rather like when bush senior took over the chain of command from reagan..

like reagan was useless and bush wanted total control.


Beetwasher

LIHOP or Worse

W/ every new revelation, every new layer that gets peeled away it only gets worse. Rummy changed the fucking procedure for no damn GOOD reason. It's almost becoming undeniable now.

dansolo

Arrogance and incompetence will also explain it

While I am a believer of LIHOP, I am willing to believe that Rumsfeld took over control of the procedure purely because of his arrogant god-complex, where he feels like he should be in control of everything. He probably never conceived of being out-of-the-loop. It is a much harder sell to convince people of LIHOP, but the facts clearly show that by taking control, the responsibility for updating procedures fell solely on Rumsfeld, and on that count, he failed miserably. I know that the 9/11 comission is not looking to "place blame", but clearly this is one instance where Rumsfeld is at fault, and he should resign.


maryallen

If this is the case, then WHY did Rummy ...

Not make himself available to the Pentagon command center for 45 minutes? Even if Rummy was unnerved by the crash, he HAD to remember that a military response was his call, due to HIS change in policy.

Tori Clark, former Pentagon spokesperson, was asked this on CNN yesterday and you should have heard her stutter: It was a deliberate attempt to mislead and confuse.


Beetwasher

I'm Not Trying To Convince Anyone Of Anything

But this is just another link in a long chain that says at least LIHOP to me...


cryingshame

WHY DIDN'T RUMSFELD GET TO SITUATION ROOM?

What the F*CK was he doing helping people out of the Pentagon.

He was the one needed to give the command.

DERELECTION OF DUTY.

Instead of hightailing it to the White House, after seeing the Pentagon attacked, he sticks around?

His job was to protect America's population (millions) which was OBVIOUSLY under attack... not extract a few people from the Pentagon.

Further, how did he manage to be out of reach after the first plane hit WTC?

He wasn't able to be reached? You mean he doesn't carry a cell phone or pager?


ElementaryPenguin

Yet another fucking SMOKING GUN!!!

LIHOP at the very least - MIHOP seems much more likely. The "coincidental" training runs at that time. Chimpy's trip scheduled less that 2 weeks before - Jeb's Sept. 7th national guard order for terrorist attack response...etc., etc.,...is there really much doubt? Didn't the evil Busheviks show their hand in the illegal Iraq war? The U.N. had put fucking weapons inspectors in there - and they were going to be an imminent threat then?? To the world's most powerful nation? Fuck! People now forget that those U.N. inspectors had to evacuate - flee for their lives before they were killed by Rummy/Cheney/Bushler's monstrous Shock & Awe operation!!!

These remorseless murderers are ruthless WAR PROFITEERS - period!! And 9-11 was merely a part (perhaps the most important part) of their war profiteering scheme!

tlcandie

Isn't this when they told asscrack to start taking private jets?


Th1onein

WHY did Rumsfield change the procedure?

WHY? Under what or whose authority was this procedure changed?

This gives me even one MORE reason to think that they knew about it ahead of time and LET it happen.

Kagemusha

To me there's no difference if it was on purpose or not...

Changing the procedures clearly was a major contributing factor to letting it happen.

I mean, let's forget the WTC for a moment. Proper NORAD procedures would most definitely have protected the Pentagon. They did not. This is unacceptable, yet it has been accepted.


Mokito

With every revelation the line between LI- & MIHOP gets blurred

I mean, this is no longer just a matter of turning a blind eye here, is it? This is actively and knowingly setting the stage for LIHOP, so that it reaches the desired potential and impact.
It seems * and his cronies left nothing to coincidence, making it to let it happen on purpose (MILIHOP?).

teryang

Are UA and AMR are finished?


<A Freedom of Information Act request has confirmed that the F.A.A. sent a dozen warnings to the airlines between May and September of 2001. Those 35 pages of alerts are being exempted from public disclosure by a federal statute that covers "information that would be detrimental to the security of transportation if disclosed." Most rational people would say that the non-disclosure of the alerts was what was detrimental to the security of transportation on Sept. 11. >

Or will the government refuse to disclose the information (that is alleged to exist) on the basis of classification and at the same time use it to blame the privately owned government subsidized corporations for lack of response on 911? Apparently, they are going to have their cake and eat it, too.

The assertion that Cheney wasn't in the situation room as flight 77 approached the pentagon is a bold face lie. He was informed of the aircraft's flight path all the way in and declined to give the order to shoot it down.


JohnyCanuck Something else to keep in mind

Not saying that the changes in procedure by Rummy don't sound suspicious and didn't play a role in delaying a response to the hijacked aircraft. However, another factor to be considered in all this (and a factor not addressed by the 9-11 Commission) were the various war games and exercises simulating hijackings taking place even as the real hijackings were occurring. These exercises caused NORAD resources to be diverted for the purposes of participating in the war games and also probably caused some confusion in identifying the real hijackings vs the simulated hijackings.

One war game scenario apparently involved a simulated air attack from Russia and allegedly caused fighter resources to be diverted north to Canada. Something of a coincidence, I guess, that Saddam's men just happened to plan their hijackings on the same day the US defenses were tied up in war gaming some of the very scenarios that the hijackers were implementing. Oh well, just more fodder for the coincidence theorists among us.


“I have an on-the-record statement from someone in NORAD that on the day of 9/11 The Joint Chiefs of Staff (Richard B. Myers) and NORAD were conducting a joint, live-fly, hijack Field Training Exercise (FTX) which involved at least one (and almost certainly many more) aircraft under US control that was posing as a hijacked airliner”.
Mike Ruppert – June 5, 2004, editor of FTW www.fromthewilderness.com

On September 11, 2001, Richard B. Meyers, the acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has thus far claimed he was in a meeting with Senator Max Cleland, and was “unaware” of the ongoing 9/11 attacks until after the Pentagon was struck.

<snip>

On September 11, 2001, the Air Force was in its second day of annual wargame drills, titled VIGILANT GUARDIAN, designed to test national air response systems, which incidentally involved hijacking scenarios. In addition the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) which is staffed by military and CIA personnel, and is in charge of most American spy satellites, was running a drill for the scenario of an errant aircraft crashing into its headquarters. NRO headquarters also happens to be located just four miles from Washington’s Dulles airport – where Flight 77 (the flight said to have hit the Pentagon) originated...

<snip>

It is possible that Phillip Zelikow, the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, has classified certain wargames running on 9/11 so the Commission can’t address them publicly. The fact that the war games are open source, having been reported in mainstream publications including the Associated Press, UPI, and Aviation Weekly Magazine would make such a classification part & parcel to a cover-up. Hopefully the Commission will address, in public hearing, the impact these wargames apparently had on the NORAD response on 9/11.

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=387

Also check out this DU thread started by Minstrel Boy.
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=...


Beetwasher

Those War Games Would Have Been Perfect Cover

It tied up necessary assets and it also gives them the "Would we be so stupid to be running these exercises and simulations of terror attacks on 9/11 if we planned 9/11?" cover story.


nostamj

did you hear the hearing yesterday?

someone (probably from the families) was interrupting Gorelick (sp?) yelling out "Ask about the war games!"

he was shut down. I don't think any questions were asked.

Cheswick

This is what Rummy says about it

Mr. Rumsfeld claimed at a previous commission hearing that protection against attack inside the homeland was not his responsibility. It was, he said, "a law-enforcement issue."

Why, in that case, did he take onto himself the responsibility of approving NORAD’s deployment of fighter planes?

This has LIHOP written all over it.
First in august Bush gets warning that Bin Laden is going to hijack planes and pilot them into buildings. Then they start warning people not to fly commercially. Then we have the put options placed and someone makes a huge profit off of predicting very bad business to AA and United.
Then Rummy says that only he can oder NORAD planes to be deployed. Then he is out of touch during a disaster. Then later he says it was not his job.
If this is LIHOP what the hell is it?


or worse. Instead of being assuaged, my suspicion only get deeper and deeper w/ each new revelation and layer that is peeled away...

G_j

Did this come up at all
during the hearings yesterday? I wasn't able to hear all of it.
Too bad the hearings are over because it sounds like Rumsfeld needs to be brought back in for questioning.
Too bad also we have no transcripts of the Bush/Cheney interviews.

www.FireRumsfeld.org www.costofwar.com


Kagemusha

Rumsfeld has other misleading statements to Congress...

Unfortunately, that UN exemption given to US officials for war crimes committed in the course of the UN-authorized Iraqi occupation amounts to international immunity, so if he's not charged for stuff in the US he won't be charged at all, ever. But, just the same I mean... what kind of pictures does he have, that he was not sacked for this and allowed to run two wars? It baffles me. (and I'm not serious about the pictures, ideology goes further with some people than blackmail.)


motivated (1000+ posts) Fri Jun-18-04 09:31 AM
Response to Original message

Rumsfeld didn't change NORAD procedure......

He did add the NMCC in the "decision chain", but more significant was the fact the Rumsfeld changed the ROE (Rule of Engagement):

When Clinton's Penis was "destroying the moral fibre of our country" this was the established DOD ROE;

CJCSI 3121.01A
DISTRIBUTION: A, C, S 15 January 2000

b. National Self-Defense. Defense of the United States, US forces, and, in certain circumstances, US nationals and their property, and/or US commercial assets. National self-defense may be exercised in two ways: first, it may be exercised by designated authority extending protection against a hostile act or demonstrated hostile intent to US nationals and their property, and/or designated US commercial assets ; second, it may be exercised by designated authority declaring a foreign force or terrorist(s) hostile .

...and....

6. Declaring Forces Hostile. Once a force is declared hostile by appropriate authority, US units need not observe a hostile act or a demonstration of hostile intent before engaging that force. The responsibility for exercising the right and obligation of national selfdefense and as necessary declaring a force hostile is a matter of the utmost importance. All available intelligence, the status of international relationships, the requirements of international law, an appreciation of the political situation, and the potential consequences for the United States must be carefully weighed. The exercise of the right and obligation of national self-defense by competent authority is separate from and in no way limits the commander’s right and obligation to exercise unit self-defense. The authority to declare a force hostile is limited as amplified in Appendix A of this Enclosure.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/dod/docs/cjcs_sroe.pdf

In June of 2001 the DOD changed things at bit and CANCELLED CJCSI 3121.01A which is linked above. How was it changed? Here....

a. Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking) of Civil and Military Aircraft. Pursuant to references a and b, the Administrator, Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), has exclusive responsibility to direct law enforcement activity related to actual or attempted aircraft piracy (hijacking) in the “special aircraft jurisdiction” of the United States. When requested by the Administrator, Department of Defense will provide assistance to these law enforcement efforts. Pursuant to reference c, the NMCC is the focal point within Department of Defense for providing assistance. In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval. DOD assistance to the FAA will be provided in accordance with reference d. Additional guidance is provided in Enclosure A.

http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/3610_01a.pdf

Basically, Rumsfeld turned over our National Defense to local "law enforcement".

Until I read an "official" transcript of bush* giving Cheney the authorization to use Military aircraft I call it bullshit. The procedure in place would have Rumsfeld giving that order. Assuming of course that the FAA contacted the NMCC (National Military Command Center), and the NMCC then, in turn, contacted Rumsfeld.

eek

Where does Barbara Olsen's phone call fit?


I'm not getting all this stuff as fine-toothed as so may of you are.

As I was listening to All Things (used to be) Considered last night and hearing the FCC/Norad timeline stuff I wondered about when Barbara Olsen's call to ted fit in.

Seems to me that came well before alotta the air traffic control stuff, the "invisible to conventional radar" , the "shoot down the plane that no longer exists" and so on.

And yet another cel phone that worked better than aWol's, to boot!

i am but mad north-north-west: when the wind blows southerly i know a hawk from a handsaw

DulceDecorum

CNN now claims another Flight 77 call.
Friday, May 28, 2004
The government would not disclose and did not reveal in its letters to families what recordings will be played.
But the independent September 11 commission in a January staff statement highlighted 11 -- not a complete list -- calls from the planes to people on the ground:

On American Airlines Flight 11, the plane that crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center with 81 passengers and 11 crew onboard, flight attendants Betty "Bee" Ong and Madeline "Amy" Sweeney made calls.

On United Airlines Flight 175, which crashed into the south tower of the World Trade Center with 56 passengers and nine crew onboard, flight attendant Robert Fangman and passengers Peter Hanson and Brian Sweeney made calls.

On American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon with 53 passengers and six crew onboard, flight attendant Rene May and passenger Barbara Olson, wife of Solicitor General Ted Olson, made calls.

On United Airlines Flight 93, which crashed in Shanskville, Pennsylvania, with 33 passengers and seven crew onboard, flight attendants Ceecee Lyles and Sandy Bradshaw, and passengers Todd Beamer and Jeremy Glick made calls.

The commission played an excerpt of one of these calls -- from Ong's taped 23-minute call to an airline reservation center -- but it was unclear whether the four other flight attendant calls, or any passenger calls, were preserved on recordings.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/05/28/911.calls /

I have said it before and I will say it again.
The September 11 story changes more often
than a chameleon walking across plaid.

Pastiche423
Was that question asked?

Who scheduled the war games and when were they scheduled? That seems to me to be a very pertinent question.

Are the members of the investigation committee stupid, or were they given a specific outline of questions to ask?

What I would like to see, is the list of questions asked at unansweredquestions.org compared to the questions asked during the investigation.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

DulceDecorum
White Hse connected to the National Military Command Center

The National Transportation and Safety Board auditorium had been quiet until an individual stood up and repeatedly questioned why the Commission was not addressing the issue of 9-11 war games--specifically Operation Vigilant Guardian--wherein fighters were already in the air during the attacks, some just minutes away from New York City. The legitimate questions were ignored and the petitioner was removed by secret service and FBI agents.
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=65

On September 11, at least five different "war games" were being conducted by the military and intelligence agencies that simulated 9/11 type events which paralyzed the air defenses, apparently ensuring the success of the "attacks." The British Navy was conducting exercises in the Indian ocean. A biowar exercise was also about to start in New York City. Who has the power to coordinate all of these exercises? Dick Cheney and the White House.
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

Real touchy subject.

Vitruvius
Sending loyal troops far away on "drills" is part of how theCIA rigs COUPS

in the third world. Send the loyal troops far away on "drills", move your hand-picked units into the capital to do the dirty work & install the dictator.

In this case -- presumably -- the bulk of the USAF was tied up in drills so bin Laden's hijackers could do their dirty work on the WTC and the Pentagon.

It's very possible. And it's right out of the CIA/BFEE playbook. As is changing procedures to hinder any effective response (e.g. require any response to go thru a bureaucrat -- like Rumsfeld -- then make sure the bureaucrat is 'unavailable').


For more information on the mechanics of coups, see Edward Luttwak's excellent book 'Coup d'Etat'. Much of the information is directly applicable to 9/11; in a coup, the CIA disables the bulk of the target country's military, while their relatively small force targets the presidential palace; in LIHOP/MIHOP, the BFEE presumably took steps to disable the bulk of the relevant military so a relatively small strike force could target the WTC and Pentagon.


Finally, if the 4th plane that went down in PA had wiped out Congress, Bu$h would be absolute dictator today. If Congress was indeed the target (as many media reports have suggested), 9/11 was a failed coup; the WTC and Pentagon being distractions while Congress was the principal target; a strike at Congress alone -- with Bu$h-the-unelected as beneficiary would have aroused far-too-much public suspicion, anger, and resistance. But wiping out Congress as one-of-many terror strikes would have probably been accepted...

I wonder if the likes of Tom DeLay will ever figure out that backing Bu$h is dangerous to their health?

Phony ranch, phony populist, phony businessman, phony compassion, phony (s)election, phony war, real consequences.

seemslikeadream


Should we wrap some yellow tape around this crime sceen?

And now I'm going to translate this

La crainte d'un coup d'État
Pourtant les faits sont têtus : quels que soient les auteurs de ces attentats et les buts qu'ils poursuivent, ils connaissaient les codes secrets de la Maison-Blanche et d'Air Force One permettant d'authentifier les ordres présidentiels. Ils l'ont fait savoir par téléphone au Secret Service chargé de la protection présidentielle (cf. White House Said Targeted, The Washington Post, 12 septembre, et Aides Say Bush Was One Target of Hijacked Jet, The New York Times, 13 septembre, voir aussi Zones d'ombre sur le ciel de Manhattan sur Amnistia.net). Cet appel, dont le contenu reste secret, ne visait pas à revendiquer la responsabilité des événements, mais à poser un ultimatum, à forcer la main au président des États-Unis. Pendant une dizaine d'heures, le président Bush a été contraint de fuir Washington et de se rendre personnellement à l'US Strategic Command (Offutt, Nebraska), à la fois pour prendre le contrôle direct des armées (ce qu'il aurait pu faire depuis Washington) et surtout pour que personne ne puisse usurper son identité et déclencher le feu nucléaire. Pendant ce temps, des tireurs d'élite et des roquettes sol-air furent déployés aux alentours de la Maison-Blanche pour empêcher un assaut par des commandos aéroportés. La Maison-Blanche et le Capitole, siège des institutions démocratiques furent immédiatement évacués.

C'est le propre des empires maintenus par la force que de craindre les coups d'État militaires. Pourtant cette dimension n'est pas intégrée dans notre représentation de l'Amérique. Quoi qu'il en soit, nous avons cherché quelles pouvaient être les factions susceptibles d'inquiéter le président Bush. Nous présentons dans cette livraison une étude sur les Special Forces Underground (Forces spéciales clandestines), un réseau terroriste qui s'est développé au sein du stay-behind et qui entretient des relations entre autres avec Ben Laden. Ce réseau n'en est pas à son premier coup contre l'État fédéral puisqu'il est impliqué aussi bien dans l'assassinat du président John F. Kennedy que dans l'attentat terroriste d'Oklahoma City. Il est bien connu de la famille Bush et du milieu des pétroliers texans qui l'ont soutenu financièrement par le passé et ont eu recours à ses services.

On observera d'ailleurs qu'au lendemain du 11 septembre, aucun des dirigeants des quarante agences de renseignement US n'a été sanctionné malgré la faillite patente des services. Au contraire, une batterie de nominations et de mutations a été annoncée à l'état-major. Aucun officier supérieur n'a été arrêté pour trahison au profit des Islamistes ou conjuration avec eux, mais un compromis a été trouvé : ils voulaient un nouvel ennemi, ils voulaient leur guerre : ils l'auront. Et dans cette guerre, les agents d'hier seront les cibles de demain.

Ces mécanismes n'ont pas échappé à l'agence Reuters : si celle-ci n'a pas relaté les conflits internes de l'appareil militaire US, elle a décidé de ne plus employer dans ses dépêches le mot " terroriste " pour désigner les frappes et leurs auteurs. Car ce mot induit à tort l'idée que ces auteurs et commanditaires seraient tous extérieurs à l'État.

more
http://www.reseauvoltaire.net/article7608.html

The fear of a state blow Nevertheless do them are stubborn: whatever the authors of these attempts and the goals that they follow, they knew the secret codes of the White House and of air Forces One allowing authenticating the presidential orders. They made known it by telephones the Secret loaded Service of the presidential protection (cf. White House Said Targeted, The Washington Post, September 12, and Help Say Bush Was One Target of Hijacked Throw, The New York Times, September 13, see also shadow Zones on the Manhattan sky on Amnistia.net). This call, of which it contained secret remainder, did not aim to claim the responsibility of the events, but to put an ultimatum, to force the hand to the president of the united States. During about ten hours, president Bush was constrained to flee Washington and to go personal to the us Strategic Command (Offutt, Nebraska), at once to take the direct check of the armies (this that it could have done since Washington) and especially for that person cannot usurp his identity and release the nuclear fire. During this time, marksmen of elite and roquettes ground air were deployed to the surroundings of the White House to prevent an assault by airborne commando units. The White House and the Capitole, sit democratic institutions immediately were evacuated.

This is the clean one empires maintained by the force that to fear the blows military states. Nevertheless this dimension is not integrated in our representation of america. Although it in be, we looked for which could be the likely factions to worry president Bush. We present in this delivery a study on the Special Force Underground (clandestine special Forces), a terrorist network that developed within the stay-behind and that maintains relations between other with Bin Laden. This network not some is at his first blow against the federal state since it is implied just as well in the assassination of the president John F. Kennedy as in the terrorist attempt of oklahoma City. It well knew family Bush and environment of the oil Texan one that the supported financially by the passed and had recourse to its services.

One will observe besides that to the day following September 11, none of the leaders of the forty piece of information agencies US was not punished despite the obvious bankruptcy of the services. To the opposite, a battery of nominations and of mutations was announced to the état-major. No superior officer was not stopped for treason to the profit of the Islamic or conspiracy with them, but a compromise was found: they wanted a new enemy, they wanted their war: they will have it. And in this war, the agents of yesterday will be the targets of tomorrow.

These mechanisms did not escape the agency Reuters: if this one did not relate the internal conflicts of the military device US, she decided of not more to employ in its dispatch the word " terrorist " to designate the strikes and their authors. For this word induces to wrong the idea that these authors and backers would be all exterior ones to the state.

seemslikeadream

just some interesting reading - more from that link
La mondialisation de l'information
Manichéisme
Les frappes du World Trade Center de New York et du Pentagone et leurs conséquences ont été suivies en direct, non seulement par les Américains, mais par une bonne partie des téléspectateurs occidentaux. Nous pouvons vérifier ce qu'est la mondialisation de l'information dans des sociétés démocratiques : toutes les informations sont disponibles en temps réel, nous pouvons tous en prendre connaissance, et pourtant nous ne voyons pas du tout la même chose.

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27 septembre 2001

En fait, l'information est devenue un vacarme continu dans lequel le citoyen ne perçoit plus rien distinctement, hormis une vision univoque qu'on lui impose à l'échelle nationale. Ainsi est-il étonnant de constater que des informations indispensables à la compréhension, ressassées par le Washington Post et le New York Times, ne sont pas mentionnées par la presse française. Tandis que nos " experts ", venus nous dire sur France-Télévision ce que nous devons penser des événements, ne sont pas invités à s'exprimer dans la presse anglo-saxonne.

Plus nous voyons et revoyons les images spectaculaires de ces avions kamikazes s'encastrant dans les tours de Manhattan, moins nous comprenons leur signification. Plus nous communions avec la douleur des victimes, moins nous relativisons le désordre du monde. La représentation que nous nous faisons des événements est le fruit de cette répétition permanente des images du choc des avions sur les tours, du commentaire qui les accompagne, des sous-titres et des surtitres : " Les attentats terroristes ".

Nous avons retracé pour nos lecteurs la chronologie exacte du 11 septembre. Chacun constatera que, de 10 heures à 20 heures approximativement, les officiels américains ne pensaient pas que ces frappes étaient le fruit de groupes terroristes moyen-orientaux, mais qu'ils manifestaient une tentative de coup d'État militaire par des extrémistes américains capables de provoquer la guerre nucléaire. Cette hypothèse était sérieusement étayée. Elle est oubliée aujourd'hui parce que l'exposer pourrait nuire au moral du peuple américain et inhiber l'engagement des alliés dans la guerre à venir.

The globalization of information Manichéisme hit with Them the New York World Trade Center and Pentagon and their consequences were followed in direct, not only by the Americans, but by a good party of the western viewers. We can verify this that the globalization of the information in democratic corporations: all the news are available in real time, we can all some to take knowledge, and nevertheless we not at all see the same thing.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- .

September 27 2001

Indeed, information became a continuous vacarme in which the citizen does not perceive anymore nothing distinctly, except a vision univoque than one imposes on him the national ladder. Thus is it astonishing to note that of essential the news to the comprehension, dwelled on by the Washington Post and the New York Times, are not mentioned by the French press. While our " experts ", come to say us on France Television this that we must think about the events, are not invited to express itself in the press anglo-saxonne.

More see us and review the spectacular pictures of these airplanes kamikazes sinking itself in the Manhattan turns, less we understand their meaning. More we communions with the pain of the victims, less we put into perspective the disorder of the world. Representation that we are done events is the fruit of this permanent repetition of the pictures of the shock of the airplanes on the turns, commentary that the accompanies, subtitles and surtitres: " The terrorist attempts ".

We redrew for our readers exact chronology of September 11. Each will note that, of 10 hours at 20 o'clock approximately, the official Americans did not think that these strikes were the fruit of terrorist eastern average groups, but that they showed a blow attempt of military state by extremist Americans able to provoke the nuclear war. This hypothesis seriously was supported. She is forgotten today because to expose it could harm the morale of the American people and inhibit the engagement of the allies in the war to come.

Vitruvius

By all means.

We're all in this together. No attribution necessary. Your posts are always interesting -- and thanks for starting this thread.

Phony ranch, phony populist, phony businessman, phony compassion, phony (s)election, phony war, real consequences.


seemslikeadream

Rookie In Command Of National Mil. Command Ops Center On 9/11


Tom Flocco: Rookie In Command Of National Mil. Command Ops Center On 9/11

Nat. Military Command Center ops director asked newly-qualified substitute on Sept. 10 to stand his watch at 8:30 am on Sept. 11

by UnansweredQuestions.Org Co-Founder Tom Flocco

For Full Story See…
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=65

WASHINGTON -- June 17, 2004 Posted 11:45 pm -- Tom Flocco.com -- According to the personal written statement of Navy Captain Charles J. Leidig, Jr., entered into the record during today’s hearings before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Leidig revealed that on September 10 he was asked by Brigadier General Montague Winfield to stand a portion of his duty as Deputy Director for Operations for the National Military Command Center (NMCC), which would require supervision and operation of all necessary communications as watch commander.

…. Snip…

The National Transportation and Safety Board auditorium had been quiet until an individual stood up and repeatedly questioned why the Commission was not addressing the issue of 9-11 war games--specifically Operation Vigilant Guardian--wherein fighters were already in the air during the attacks, some just minutes away from New York City. The legitimate questions were ignored and the petitioner was removed by secret service and FBI agents.

Commissioner John Lehman offered that while Air Force Generals Richard Meyers, Ralph Eberhart and Larry Arnold (Ret.) had been questioned, no one had asked any questions of the "only sailor in the group," Captain Leidig.

Lehman asked Leidig about the controlled phone bridges or conferences held during the attacks, which the Captain confirmed were classified and secure phone lines while also indicating that "the President can be included" in such teleconferences.

… Snip ….

Immediately at the close of testimony by Myers, Eberhart, Arnold and Leidig, this writer quickly walked to the head table to individually question Leidig before his aides could escort him from the auditorium. The Air Force generals had left quickly.

When asked "Can you tell me the approximate time when you commenced your supervision of the phone bridges," Leidig told TomFlocco.com, "You’ll have to look in the records and Commission staff statements. I can’t recall the time."

… Snip ….

All of which raises questions regarding why the experienced Winfield left his watch after the attacks had begun, what prompted Winfield to request Leidig to assume his watch the next morning, why Winfield chose 8:30 am to have Leidig relieve him, why the Commission never addressed these issues, and whether Winfield had access to intelligence from the CIA and FBI which foretold a "spectacular attack, designed to inflict mass casualties against U.S. facilities or interests. Attack preparations have been made. Attack will occur with little or no warning." (CIA Intelligence Report for White House, July 5, 2001--60+ days prior to 9-11, Newsweek, 5-1-2003 / The Hill, 5-1-2003)

… Snip ….

For Full Story See…
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=65


althecat

Rear Admiral (Select) Charles J. Leidig, Jr. - Biography and picture


Rear Admiral (Select) Charles J. Leidig, Jr.
United States Navy
Commandant of Midshipmen
United States Naval Academy

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/people/flags/biographies/leidigcj ....

Rear Admiral (Select) Leidig became the 80th Commandant of Midshipmen in September 2003. He graduated with distinction from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1978 with a Bachelor of Science in Mathematics.
His operational tours include service in both attack and ballistic missile submarines. He served as Reactor Controls Assistant and Communications Officer on USS Henry L. Stimson (SSBN 655), as Engineer Officer on USS Sam Rayburn (SSBN 635), as Navigation and Operations Officer on USS Stonewall Jackson (SSBN 634), and as Executive Officer on USS Pogy (SSN 647).

His command tours include service as Commanding Officer of USS Cavalla (SSN 684) from 1994-1997, where he led the Navy’s first unclassified science mission to the Arctic Ocean, and twice deployed to the western Pacific. Under his command Cavalla set the Pacific Fleet endurance record of 63 consecutive days of Arctic under-ice operations, earned two Meritorious Unit Commendations and in 1996 was awarded the Navy Battle Efficiency ‘E’, Engineering Excellence ‘E’, and Tactical Operations Excellence ‘T’. He subsequently served as Commander, Submarine Development Squadron Five from 1999-2001 where he was the operational commander for the Navy’s Deep Submergence Program and the Tactical Development Authority for the Submarine Force’s off-hull sensors, Arctic warfare and submarine rescue and escape programs.

Rear Adm. (Sel.) Leidig’s staff assignments include service as an instructor at the U.S. Naval Academy, as Material Officer on the staff of Submarine Squadron Eleven, as Senior Member of the Nuclear Propulsion Examining Board for Commander-in-Chief, U.S. Atlantic Fleet and on the Joint Staff as Assistant Deputy Director for Regional Operations in the Operations Directorate and as Executive Assistant to the Director of the Joint Staff. He served as the Deputy Commandant of Midshipmen from June to September 2003.

Rear Adm. (Sel.) Leidig received the David Lloyd Leadership Award and the L.Y. Spear Award upon completion of the Submarine Officer Advanced Course in 1985. He earned a Master's Degree in National Security and Strategic Studies from the Naval War College, graduating with distinction in 1994, and subsequently completed the National Security Management Program at the Syracuse University Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs in 2001.

Rear Adm. (Sel.) Leidig has been awarded the Defense Superior Service Medal, the Legion of Merit (two awards), the Meritorious Service Medal (two awards), the Joint Service Commendation Medal, the Navy Commendation Medal (four awards), and the Navy Achievement Medal along with other unit and service awards.

Effective: 19 April 2

loudsue

And once again, DUers get to read about what was really going on


while the rest of America is kept in the dark as to how insidiously connected are all of the dots.

I could just SCREAM when I see how the 9/11 commission has wasted taxpayer dollars on this cover-up. SOOOOO many heads need to roll on this, but instead, free-passes are being printed faster than paper money at the Fed.

Thanks for posting this, Althecat. Once again, you're on top of it!


donhakman
This reads like "Seven days in May"

General Winfield got a promotion...

EXECUTIVE SESSION -- (Senate - April 29, 2004)

GPO's PDF
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EXECUTIVE CALENDAR

Mr. FRIST. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate immediately proceed to executive session to consider the following nominations on today's Executive Calendar: Calendar Nos. 644 through 653, and all nominations on the Secretary's desk.

For the information of Senators, these are military nominations and Foreign Service officers.

I further ask unanimous consent that the nominations be confirmed, the motions to reconsider be laid upon the table, the President be immediately notified of the Senate's action, and the Senate then return to legislative session.

The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered.


...................................................


He also directed the war college and Haiti affairs.
http://www.jpac.pacom.mil/CommandStaff.htm


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&a...


seemslikeadream

"What goes on, in the name of intelligence services, are true crimes."

So says former German Cabinet Minister Andreas von Buelow.

Q: You mean, the events of Sept. 11--

Von Buelow: --fit perfectly in the concept of the armaments industry, the intelligence agencies, the whole military-industrial-academic complex. This is in fact conspicuous. The huge raw materials reserves of the former Soviet Union are now at their disposal, also the pipeline routes and--

Q: Erich Follach described that at length in Spiegel: "It's a matter of military bases, drugs, oil and gas reserves."

Von Buelow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry.

...

Q: You wrote a book on the dealings of the CIA and Co. In the meantime, you have become an expert regarding the strange things related to intelligence services' work.

Von Buelow: "Strange things" is the wrong term. What has gone on, and goes on, in the name of intelligence services, are true crimes.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/VonBuelow.html


seemslikeadream

Who has the power to coordinate all of these exercises

White Hse connected to the National Military Command Center

The National Transportation and Safety Board auditorium had been quiet until an individual stood up and repeatedly questioned why the Commission was not addressing the issue of 9-11 war games--specifically Operation Vigilant Guardian--wherein fighters were already in the air during the attacks, some just minutes away from New York City. The legitimate questions were ignored and the petitioner was removed by secret service and FBI agents.
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=65

On September 11, at least five different "war games" were being conducted by the military and intelligence agencies that simulated 9/11 type events which paralyzed the air defenses, apparently ensuring the success of the "attacks." The British Navy was conducting exercises in the Indian ocean. A biowar exercise was also about to start in New York City. Who has the power to coordinate all of these exercises? Dick Cheney and the White House.
http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

goforit

Seemslike a dream?.....You give those boys too much credit.


This is clear evidence that 911 was a premeditated plan
of action. To purposely change this right before 911, is no
coincidence.(in addition to the other 1000 coincidences)

And the article says that press says that NORAD never trained for these situations is bullsh*&%.
They trained for these situations ever since Clinton was in office!!!

This IS no LIHOP!!!!

seemslikeadream

"I’d been with American for 29 years," Ms. Dillard said with embittered pride. "My job was supervision over all the flight attendants who flew out of National, Baltimore or Dulles. In the summer of 2001, we had absolutely no warnings about any threats of hijackings or terrorism, from the airline or from the F.A.A."


A Freedom of Information Act request has confirmed that the F.A.A. sent a dozen warnings to the airlines between May and September of 2001. Those 35 pages of alerts are being exempted from public disclosure by a federal statute that covers "information that would be detrimental to the security of transportation if disclosed." Most rational people would say that the non-disclosure of the alerts was what was detrimental to the security of transportation on Sept. 11.

Some of the relatives are keen to find out why, at the peak of this struggle, the tape suddenly stops recording voices and all that is heard in the last 60 seconds or so is engine noise. Had the tape been tampered with? When I put their question to Mr. Novak, the lead prosecutor on Flight 93, he said curtly, "I’m not going to comment on that, and neither should have they. They violated that nondisclosure agreement by telling you the contents of that cockpit voice recorder."

"One of the things that upset me was that they knew, 45 minutes before , that American Airlines had a problem. I put the story together myself ," Mr. Ballinger said. "Perhaps if I had the information sooner, I might have gotten the message to 93 to bar the door."

[seafan]

12. "There was no known threat against Air Force One."

Two of the military men who just wound up their testimony at the 911 hearing on CSPAN 3 ended by giving this answer to the pointed question by one of the commissioners. The question was whether there was any known actual threat against AF 1 on the day of 9-11.


So, exactly why WAS George hop-scotching around the country from FL to Louisiana to Nebraska nearly all day long after the attacks??

:grr: :grr: :grr: