Bishops draw a line on censuring politicians

[maxrandb]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040619/news_1n19bishops.html

DENVER – America's Roman Catholic bishops said from a private retreat yesterday that Catholics should not honor or give awards to politicians who defy "our fundamental moral principles" on abortion and other issues.

"The Catholic community and Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles. They should not be given awards, honors or platforms which would suggest support for their actions."

Well, it looks like * got the bishops on his side now. Time to end the farce of tax exemption for any of these religions. If you want to get involved in politics, then pay your "effing" taxes.

I can't believe this. Is the world up-side down? Never thought I'd see the day when the party of the KKK would join hands with the Roman Catholic Church.

I am officially renouncing my Catholicism, and it makes me sad to have to do it, but it is the right thing to do. Maybe if enough of us withold our money from the collection plate, or quit playing bingo, the church will get the message that in "my" America, their is a separation of church and state, and that is probably the only reason this country has survived as long as it has. Like REM says..."It's the end of the world, as we know it"

[LittleApple81]

1. I am way ahead of you. I came to the realization that "Organized Churches"

are just collection of men hungry for power and control.
My God prefers to talk to me directly, without middlemen.

[Born Free]

15. No news about priests molesting altar boys

No longer will you hear the daily drip,drip,drip of bad news about the priests molesting altar boys, nope, now the bush team has the catholics right where they want them....who is next?

[2Design]

2. what does Bush have on everyone that they all roll over and die

for him and the Nazi party.

[maxrandb]

7. NY Times Article is even worse

Don't have the link but get this:

"The nation's Roman Catholic bishops approved a statement on "Catholics in Political Life" that brands politicians who support abortion rights as "cooperating in EVIL" and leaves the door open for bishops to deny communion to such lawmakers.

Now, I wonder if they mean "lawmakers", or just "Democratic lawmakers". As some have mentioned, what about Pataki, Guliani and Gropenator? What about those that support the death penalty?

Look bishops, "When you can start getting your priests to quit molesting little boys and girls, then I might listen to what the f$%k you have to say.

I didn't think it was possible, but it looks like * is going to not only destroy the country, but the catholic church as well.

[2Design]

13. that got me going to start with .....

went to their (catholic bishop) site and could not find a email so I used the employment one. I just asked if this was going to apply to killing in iraq and death penalty or just democrats.

[Malva Zebrina]

18. It seems to me the common denomenator is misogyny and fear of

women and their blood.

They will do everything they can to keep women under their big bad male thumb because of their fear of women's power.

They are, actually, fearful men--attempting to disparage women and a woman's sexuality and this is what is the common denominator.

Not only do they want to encase in iron their own penis for fear of enjoyment and love, but they also want to lord it over women and attempt to own the woman's body also. If they cannot possess her sexually, they will try with all of their male power to possess her and rule over her body through religion--the religion they have the power to9 interpret and throughout the ages, they have always picked on the weaker.

On the part of the male hierarchy in the Catholic church, the vow of celibacy only adds to their frustration.

They know that their sexual desires are not sinful. They know that the most natural thing in the world is to love each other.

That they cannot participate in that love, is a huge contradiction to the Christian logo of love.

[lovedems]

3. If they insist on pointing the cameras to John Kerry, I want to see

what Guliani and the Groper have to say about this.

The media need to look at *all* pro-choice politicians, not just the democrats.

Let's hear more about the pro capital punishment crowd who are catholics, lets hear more about the human rights abuses that some RW catholics have been apologists for.

Damn, there are so many issues, not just pro-choice.

[Lugnut]

4. I threw in the towel

Several years ago. It finally dawned on me that by continuing to use the "Catholic" label I was as much of a hypocrite as the church. It takes some time to shed that "guilt" stuff they pound into you over the years. From my perspective it's been well worth the effort.

As for the church and it's proclamations all I can say is,

"Who gives a shit?"

[The Zanti Regent]

5. Does this apply to Pro-Choice Arnold, Pataki, Ridge and Giuliani?

Hell no

The time has come to tax all churches. F 'em all!

[TankLV]

6. I agree - tax 'em all NOW!

Now how do we make this a reality?

[MasonJar]

8. This is the bunch that moved child molesters from church to

church, while covering up their crimes...knowing that the priests would just find new victims.

[maxrandb]

10. Cooperating in Evil

That is the important quote from the NY Times! "Cooperating in Evil". Say it over and over again. They are not just wrong, they don't need spiritual guidance, they are not mis-informed...They are EVIL!

Now, what does this mis-administration do to anything that it deems evil? How long before we end up in concentration camps? It's like the Spanish Inquisition is making a comeback.

"Religion is what keeps the poor from killing the rich" -Napoleon

[PROGRESSIVE1]

9. Tax the LIVING CRAP out of ALL Religious institutions!!!!

[kskiska]

11. Church politics

From Time magazine:

"Bishops are picked not because they're independent but because they are reliable company men who follow the policies of the Holy See," says Father Richard McBrien, a professor of theology at Notre Dame. "Burke in St. Louis is angling to become a Cardinal. Sheridan in Colorado Springs would love to be an Archbishop. What better way to get noticed than to deny Communion to politicians and voters who are pro-abortion? They get points in Rome!"

more…
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101040621/ncatholics.html

[LittleApple81]

12. Now I remember something: In WashWeek, 75% of CATHOLICS

including the ones voting Repug, DON'T LIKE THE CHURCH interfering in politics. This might backfire on the Catholic Church.. I HOPE!

[alcuno]

16. I think you are absolutely correct.

Anyone who thinks that the Church is going to tell Catholics how to vote is living in a dream world. I come from a VERY Catholic family and did a little poll when I saw the poll saying that the "very religious" vote for *.

No one in my family, not mom, aunts or cousins, considered themselves to be "very religious." This in spite of the fact that all are weekly church-goers, hit all the Holy Days, consider abortion to be a sin, and all have been married in the Church.

If * is going to try and manipulate the Catholic vote by using the bishops, his campaign is in TERRIBLE shape.

[NashVegas]

14. These FOOLS Are Being Played by Bush

Just like Willie Horton was used to divide the US electorate in 1988, Bush is using this issue to divide the church populace.

I wouldn't shed a tear to see Rome broken and bloodied, but I feel badly for those Catholics who are going to be forced to make a decision. Nor am I thrilled this will come at the evangelists' benefit.

[UTUSN]

17. What about Death-Penalty Caths Like HANNITY?

It's another one of those Eternal mysteries (like why would members of a minority be a Wingnut), but the Church that has a good record on world social justice and shares 99 out of 100 issues with Dems stakes EVERYTHING on the ONE issue.