General promised quick results if Gitmo plan used at Abu Ghraib

[Spazito]

The general who pushed for more aggressive interrogation tactics at Iraq (news - web sites)'s Abu Ghraib prison predicted better intelligence within a month if his strategies were adopted, according to a copy of his classified plan obtained by USA TODAY.


In the plan, sent in early September to top military officials in Iraq, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller promised that "a significant improvement in actionable intelligence will be realized within 30 days." His strategy involved having military police acting as prison guards "setting the conditions to exploit internees to respond to questions."


The recommendations in Miller's 12-page report were based on the interrogation operation he supervised at the U.S. Naval Base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where suspected members of al-Qaeda are held. The report lists a roster of the 17-person team culled entirely from the Guantanamo operation. The team spent 10 days at Abu Ghraib with Miller in late summer, before he submitted the plan. Several interrogation teams from Guantanamo subsequently trained those at Abu Ghraib.

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Miller's plan was not among documents released Tuesday by the White House. Rather, it is part of the classified section of the report prepared by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who conducted the Army's internal investigation into abuses at Abu Ghraib. Miller, who was not interviewed in that investigation, was subsequently put in charge of all detention and interrogation operations in Iraq.

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[aquart]

1. So BushCo knew the torture was Miller's plan...

And their solution was to put him OFFICIALLY IN CHARGE???

Clever.

Okay, I'm giggling again.

[bobthedrummer]

2. General Karpinski specifically cited General Miller in her BBC interview.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW.

[randr]

I think I can smell a smoking gun.

[randr]

3. dupe

[UpInArms]

4. guess that "2 inch" stack of papers

that the WH released is a bit deficient in its content.

Miller's plan was not among documents released Tuesday by the White House. Rather, it is part of the classified section of the report prepared by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who conducted the Army's internal investigation into abuses at Abu Ghraib. Miller, who was not interviewed in that investigation, was subsequently put in charge of all detention and interrogation operations in Iraq.

and also from the link provided:

In his report to Sanchez, Miller urged that commanders at Abu Ghraib "dedicate and train a detention guard force ... that sets the conditions for the successful interrogation and exploitation of internees/detainees." That guard force, Miller said, should be joined with interrogators under a single commander from military intelligence.

The plan violated long-established military doctrine, which stipulates that military police "do not participate in military-intelligence-supervised interrogation sessions." But Miller told Congress that, with his report, he provided top military officials a list of procedures used at Guantanamo that set limits on the role of MPs in interrogations.

[Hand]

5. Good god...

"Ve haf vays of convincing you to talk to us..."

:mad:

[lumpy]

6. What information does the US military

want from 'detainees' that they would allow the grunts to resort to torture? Are these 'detainees' going to tell where the elusive WMDs are located? What is this crucial information that the military requires. Is it anything more than trying to root out the resistance? If this is the purpose then US miltary has gone about a cowardly way using torture and humiliation against people who probably don't have a clue. The grunts end up running the show with zilch results. The US military has descended into the abyss of incompentecy. Our 'brave' soldiers end up just defending themselves, not freedom nor democracy.

[calimary]

11. We needed the information that would help Our pResident save face.

It's because bush had stuck his neck out, along with that lovely dick who manages him, and they made their assertions first, and THEN dispatched our boys and girls to go find the evidence to back up their already-issued assertions. It's because bush has his reputation on the line that these people were tortured. And don't forget, up to 90 PERCENT, that's NINE OUT OF EVERY TEN PEOPLE THERE, were simply rounded up in a big dragnet, having been in the wrong place at the wrong time, AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH TERRORISM OR THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY PERPETRATE IT. NINE OUT OF EVERY TEN (Red Cross is, I believe, where this statistic came from) were innocent bystanders. INNOCENT. But they were humiliated, terrorized, and tortured anyway, so we could search for something to prop up our straw man here at home.

ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME. Or in this case, bush. It wasn't Gore or Clinton or Kerry or anybody else who insisted, from the get-go, that we had to go wipe out Iraq, and loaded their declarations with a bunch of bogus intel and other crap straight from fantasyland. It was bush and cheney and all the vile neocon serpents slithering around at their feet who were pushing, no. Salivating for war. Masturbating for war.

DAMN them!!!

[thebigidea]

7. we should promise Miller quick results in a war crimes trial

what an ugly man - inside and out.

[lumpy]

8. What information does the US military

want from 'detainees' that they would allow the grunts to resort to torture? Are these 'detainees' going to tell where the elusive WMDs are located? What is this crucial information that the military requires. Is it anything more than trying to root out the resistance? If this is the purpose then US miltary has gone about a cowardly way using torture and humiliation against people who probably don't have a clue. The grunts end up running the show with zilch results. The US military has descended into the abyss of incompentecy. Our 'brave' soldiers end up just defending themselves, not freedom nor democracy.

[xxqqqzme]

9. I think it is time

2 put the general on a box w/ a hood over his head and little wires attached 2 his body.

These people found the edge and jump off.

[jmowreader]

10. No, it's not time for that

I won't post what I was about to post. Believe me when I tell you it wasn't very nice.

I'm at the point with this guy that I want him to get double what the worst-tortured prisoner at Abu Ghraib got.

[Miss Authoritiva]

12. Putting morals and ethics aside for the moment, this doesn't make

sense even from a tactical point of view (as Karpinski points out). All this "softening" up of prisoners in an overcrowded, understaffed prison in an active combat zone in an effort to get intelligence was conducted by MPs who don't even speak the language of the prisoners.

If a prisoner had been yelling out the exact latitude and longitude of a WMDs cache would Lynndie England have understood what he was saying?