Alert: DEMS TRYING TO KICK NADER OUT OF ARIZONA!!!!!

[NoBushLite]

With deadline looming, Nader/Arizona bid may be killed by Democrat lawyers!!!!!

Today's Hotline (too expensive for real people to subscribe; I'll paste the full text below) has huge news re Nader and Kerry:

ARIZONA (10 EVs): Not A Good Day For Nader

A group of AZ Dems, with support from the AZ Dem Party, "says it will mount a legal challenge today" to Ralph Nader's WH '04 bid. The Dems "will try to have Nader disqualified" from AZ's 11/04 ballot. The deadline "to file challenges of candidates' petitions is 5 p.m. today."

Dem attys "have reviewed petitions submitted in support of Nader's bid, and found a 'pretty good' case against Nader's bid," AZ Dem chair Jim Pederson said 6/22. Pederson "said issues for the challenge will include whether people who signed the petitions were registered to vote, as well as whether circulators who gathered the 21,185 names were legally entitled to collect signatures" in AZ.

Dems "have a substantial burden and will have to show a judge that one out of every three names collected is ineligible: Nader needs to have only 14,694 signatures declared valid to be on the ballot here."

The Dems' move "drew derision" from Nader. Said Nader: "It's the beginning of a campaign by Democrats who don't believe in robust, competitive campaigns. ... They want to block our free speech, free assembly, free petitions rights" (Fischer, Capitol Media Services, 6/23).

An AZ Dem source tells us that they believe they've already found problems with more than half of the 21K+ signatures Nader turned in, which if true, would leave Nader short of the necessary signatures to get on the ballot (Hotline reporting, 6/23).

DNC spokesperson Jano Cabrera "stressed that the state party had not requested DNC resources and that any decision to challenge Nader's ballot access rests with state officials." But he said the nat'l party "stands behind the effort in principle." Cabrera: "We support our state party's aim to validate the petition signatures in accordance with the state election law" (Hananel, AP, 6/22).

Also of note: Another AZ Dem source notes the "spotlight" will be on AZ Sec/State and "Bush/Cheney surrogate" Jan Brewer "to see if she follows the applicable statutes or aids the GOP exploitation of Ralph Nader to split the Dem vote" (e-mail, 6/23).

Nader is not exactly the best thing for the Democrat bigwigs, but he is NOT a bad thing for the party, because he keeps the DLC in check. McAuliffe is too scared to try to actually win the hearts of liberals anymore. Instead, he's trying to rob them of their options. It's a lot easier to get the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party to vote for Kerry when the only liberal in the race -- Nader -- has been taken off the ballot.

I'm sick of this shit. Does "the party" even care anymore? Or is it just selling out completely?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

Nader is not exactly the best thing for the Democrat bigwigs, but he is NOT a bad thing for the party, because he keeps the DLC in check. McAuliffe is too scared to try to actually win the hearts of liberals anymore. Instead, he's trying to rob them of their options. It's a lot easier to get the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party to vote for Kerry when the only liberal in the race -- Nader -- has been taken off the ballot.

I'm sick of this shit. Does "the party" even care anymore? Or is it just selling out completely?

It's hard to even justify this lunacy with a response, but Nader is not trying to be a part of the Democratic Party in anyway, nor is he trying to contribute to anything aside from his own ego.

[NoBushLite]

11. He DOES affect the part

He's keeping the DLC in check by running as an independent. WIthout him, the post-primaries DNC would have free reign to run a straight DLC platform/candidate. Nader keeps them honest to their base.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

19. No, Howard Dean did that

By exciting the base INSIDE the party. Ralphie is just jerking off politically. How's Unca Karl, BTW?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

21. Wake up, huh?

Nader doesn't keep anyone in check. If Nader cared about Democratic values, he'd stay out of this election. Everyone who considers themselves anything close to being a Democrat knows ANYONE is better than Bush, DLC or not. Maybe it was an appropriate statement to make in 2000, but it's NOT in 2004. Our country is on the brink of destruction. It's not about party this time around - it's about our future. PERIOD.

[Caution]

22. in what world are you living in?

Do you honestly think that somehow Nader has any effect whatsoever on the platform of the Democratic Party? if anything he does the opposite of what you want here. By drawing liberals AWAY from the party this idiot actually causes the Democratic party to move more towards the center. Why the hell would the Democratic party move leftwards after Nader drew as many votes as he did last time and Gore still freakin won by 1/2 a million votes? Get a clue. Nader is bad for liberals and bad for the Democratic Party and we want his moronic ass out of this election before he does just what he is trying to do which is destroy the Democratic Party in an effort to create a new party to his own liking. Thanks but no thanks, I'm happy with the party I've got now.

[fertilizeonarbusto]

26. WOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOO

:yourock:

[cookiebear]

27. No he doesn't.

Nader's an egotistical creep.

BTW, this is my first post here. This seemed like a worthy place to begin My DU Journey. :grouphug:

[Trajan]

29. Greetings Cookiebear ....

Welcome to DU ...

Now: How bout them Cookies ? ...

[madaboutharry]

30. Welcome cookiebear

You seem like a smart bear!

:hi:

[ashling]

33. Cooookie!

Welcome.

[cookiebear]

39. Nader's a creep!

Thanks for the welcome! ::wavingwildly:: :D

[oasis]

37. "egotistical creep". Perfect description. And welcome aboard.

:hi:

[LuminousX]

31. Nader doesn't represent their base, otherwise he'd be inside the party

[Dookus]

2. Good

they should do whatever they can within the law to oppose him.

And it's Democratic, not Democrat when used as an adjective.

[iconoclastic cat]

36. Yeah, Dookus, you noticed that, too! Hmm...I know another board/group that

uses "Democrat" as an adjective and insists on saying, "the Democrat Party."

Hmmm...NoBushLite, do you perhaps live under a bridge? Asking passersby to answer riddles?

[geek tragedy]

3. This isn't the greenpartyundergound.com

Perhaps you should play elsewhere.

[tom_paine]

14. Not to worry. He's not a Green anyway.

"Democrat Lawyers", a compendium

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Democrat+Lawyers%22+Republican

Are you noticing a theme here?

[slinkerwink]

4. excellent!

[GainesT1958]

5. The party cares enough...

Not to want Ralphie Boy to work in collusion with Repub operatives to allow him once again to be the spoiler who allowed Dub to serve a four-year term he shouldn't have!:mad:

Anybody playing it Ralphie's way is just doing so for his own ego's sake, to say he brought down the Democratic Party, the nation's very existence be damned. I wish one of the Congressional Black Caucus members had pounded him under the table. THAT'S all Ralphie Boy deserves from us!:grr:

B-)

[BootinUp]

6. If there's something wrong with the petition, make Nader

follow the rules. :thumbsup:

[fertilizeonarbusto]

7. great news

Sending the Arizona Dems a check right now.
Besides, don't be upset. If Nader is out of the ballot in AZ, you can vote for Bush* directly, instead of indirectly.

[DrBB]

8. Good. Kick his obstinate, sorry ass the f*** out.

Kick him out twice, if that's what it takes.

[Caution]

9. gee your handle is a little telling isnt it?

NoBushLite ? gee where have i heard this before? go back to naderland, this is Democratic Underground not Naderland.

"only trying to rob them of their options?" since when is it the job of the head of the Democratic party to not be against anything that draws votes away from Democrat candidates? While I don't see any reason for *anyone* to not run for President if they feel like it, I do think that following election laws is probably a good idea and if I felt that my candidate was going to lose support because some egotistical jerk-off decided to violate those laws then I would sure as hell expect my party to put up a fight over those illegal actions.

[Melodybe]

15. Good for them, Nader is an egotistical bastard and his arguement

that there is no difference between the repubs and dems may have fooled plenty in 2000, me included, but this time that shit doesn't wash.

If Nader actually cared about the people of this country he would spend his TV time bashing *. Does he do that? Fuck no, he spouts that lie over and over again. Fuck the bastard I hope that he burns in hell with the rest of the repugs.

Nader has no support this time around and I hope he doesn't make it on any ballots.

[tom_paine]

18. He's NOT a Naderite

I'll leave it to you to decide just what he is.

"Democrat lawyers" a compendium

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Democrat+Lawyers%22+Republican

[tom_paine]

10. Wups. You forgot the use of "democrat" improperly as an adjective

is a DEAD giveaway.

How are things with Uncle K and the rest of the Naz(COMMENT REDACTED)?

You make me laugh and laugh and laugh.

No one is falling for this.

NO ONE.

Buh-bye.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

13. Love your style Tom

:thumbsup: :yourock: :toast:

[tom_paine]

23. Thanks, sirjwtheblack. You're pretty cool, too.

I will do what I can to aid DU, even if sometimes they get pissed at me for how I go about it.

This guy is SOOOOOOO Busted.

However, the Professionals who I believe infest this board (and it will get worse as November approaches), know to donate and how to properly do Covert Ops.

[Warpy]

12. You're missing the point here

The GOP paid for canvassers to go out and get signatures, and we know they paid only GOPers to do it. GOPers cheat. The Democratic challenge is a good thing, and will eliminated all the falsified names on those petitions.

There may or may not be enough of the GOP party faithful who want to see Nader on the ballot. This is just a counter to the GOP dirty tricks squad.

[tom_paine]

17. Don't waste your time on this.

Notice the gratuitous use of "Democrat lawyers"

Sound familiar?

Read this

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Democrat+Lawyers%22+Republican

Notice anything about almost 100% of those hits?

Hmmmmm. :crazy:

[CatWoman]

16. I'm alerting this thread

you would do well to familiarize yourself with the LBN posting rules.

[lovedems]

20. I remember a thread about a week ago in which the dems suspected

that 3/4 of the names on his petition were from registered republicans.

I am sooooo happy the dems are acting on this. Let him spend his money on a court case in Arizona.

:evilgrin:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

24. Excellent news. Hope they succeed.

eom

[Shakespeare]

25. Contrary to GOP directives, the correct form of the word is "democratic"

As in, "democratic lawyers," not "democrat lawyers."

You're a Nader supporter, are you? REALLY now. I think your slip is showing.

Oh, and I don't share your outrage. Sorry.

[madaboutharry]

28. GOOD

I HOPE THEY KICK HIS ASS RIGHT OUT OF ARIZONA. ARIZONA IS IN PLAY, KERRY HAS A CHANCE AND NADER GETTING 1/2 PERCENT CAN GIVE THE STATE TO BUSH. GO AWAY RALPH, JUST GO AWAY.

[hyphenate]

32. Isn't there an article

somewhere (I can't remember who had it) where they've shown that a very large percentage of donations to Nader came from Repukes? Anyone whose memory or ability to find it are better than mine right now?

[LuminousX]

34. Good. If the bid isn't done by the rules, it should be stopped

Clear and simple.

I think every state should look over Nader's bid for Congress. I'm sure Nader has many Republican lawyers eager to represent him.

[geek tragedy]

35. Hmmmmmm.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1844236

[matcom]

38. Alert: ....................................................

well, you ALL know where i was going :)

[ashling]

40. Punctuation problem in your subject line:

Should read: "Alert Dems"

Thank goodness that REAL Democrats are alert enough to catch this sh**!

Go Home, and tell Rove not to bother.

[wicket]

41. Riiiiiiight

Nice try buddy.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

42. Yes, the Democratic Party DOES care. That's why we're trying to...

...boot Nader into the Land Time Forgot.

Nader is nothing but a NeoCon stealth operative. Consider the following from the 2000 campaign:

*When asked who he would vote for, Gore or Bush, Nader responded "Bush".

*When asked why he was running for president in 2000, Nader responded that he wanted to make sure Gore did not win.

*GOP backers paid for Nader ads slamming Gore in the Northwestern states.


I rest my case.

[Moderator]

43. NoBushLite

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