'Destroyed' Lewinsky Speaks Out on Clinton Memoir

[emad]

Snip from reuters
Fri Jun 25, 2004 07:50 AM ET
By Jeffrey Goldfarb, European Media Correspondent

LONDON (Reuters) - Monica Lewinsky says she feels betrayed by Bill Clinton's failure to acknowledge how he destroyed her life in his newly released memoirs.

In an interview with British broadcaster ITV to be shown on Friday, the former White House intern best known for her affair with the 42nd U.S. president says she was disappointed at how their relationship is addressed.

"I really didn't expect him to talk in detail about the relationship," she said, according to a partial transcript of the interview provided by ITV.

"But what I was hoping, and did expect was for him to acknowledge and correct the inaccurate and false statements that he, his staff and the (Democratic National Committee) made about me when they were trying to protect the presidency," she said.

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What got ME about thw Clinton interview on Tuesday on the UK's BBC was when asked about John Kerry's 2004 chances he said:
"John Kerry would be quite good as a President". Five minutes later he said Hillary "would make an excellent President".

QED.........

[DBtv]

1. You are bashing Clinton here because. . . ?

Just wondering.

[RoeBear]

2. Hardly a bash...

...but if it was wouldn't that be his right?

[DBtv]

81. "Right (wing)" being the operative term.

Bash Clinton somewhere your fellow travelers congregate.

[DemOverseas]

38. Waste of time

don't bother reading further...........

[Ganja Ninja]

3. Destroyed her life???

What life was that? Before she went Washington to earn her presidential knee pads she was messing around with a married school teacher that had moved to get away from her. Destroyed her life as what, a stalker?

[ixion]

53. yeah, that was my first thought

destroyed her life? Yeah, it really sucks to make a living with book deals and commercial endorsements. poor baby. :grr:

[Toucano]

64. You read my mind!

Except for the "presidential knee pads" part, which I'm not clever enough to think of!

It's not like she was 12 years old or something.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

169. Bingo!! Nice one, SC!!

[Pretty_in_CodePink]

208. The married school teacher

was a high school drama teacher who was teaching her! He should have been arrested for molesting a minor. I saw a special with just her on a stage answering questions. I think it was on MTV. I wish I could remember more about it. However, I do remember the comment one of the audience members made. She told Monica that this married high school teacher had made advances to her also and other friends. She validated this experience that Monica had.

Of course, that leads to lots of questions about the psychology behind her actions with Bill and likely other men too.

[colonel odis]

4. weren't her 15 minutes up a few years ago? n/t

[AlFrankenFan]

168. Yes they were

And she doesn't need a minute more.

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[David__77]

11. That's not right.

I would really hope that people would refrain from calling names like "slut." I wouldn't say it's fair for her to say Clinton "ruined her life," but I also don't think calling her a slut is fair.

[mac56]

Not only is the "slut" comment unfair -

but also the "get a diet". Poster must be quite the studmuffin to throw around comments like that. I'm just sayin'.

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[hightime]

46. So slut is OK, just not fat slut?

[mac56]

50. Don't be disingenuous.

Read my post again. Headline: "Not only is the 'slut' comment unfair..."

And other posters already addressed the "slut" comment. Face it, sport: you're out of line on two counts.

[amber dog democrat]

129. I tend to think the label applies.

Pretty is as pretty does.

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[trogdor]

153. She did her job.

She's still doing it - whining and crying on behalf of the VRWC. I wonder how much she got paid and from whom for doing that interview.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

170. I've often thought that Lewinsky had to have been connected to the...

...Arkansas Project in some way or fashion. She certainly fits the profile of the other "ladies" that were trotted out over time, including Flowers, Jones, and Wiley.

In the book by Conason and Lyons, "The Hunting of the President", Flowers talked about meeting Clinton in a hotel that had not yet been built, and Jones talked about meeting Clinton at a time of the day when Clinton was documented as being in the Arkansas governor's mansion going about his regular workday. Wiley was desperate for money and IMHO would have done anything to get what she needed.

[Terran]

31. I think "slut" probably IS fair

It's well known that she set out to go to Washington and have sex with Bill Clinton--the whole "presidential kneepads" comment. Of that's not slutty, what would you call it?

It's not like she couldn't have said no to Clinton and avoided the whole mess. She was a willing participant. If anyone destroyed her life, it was Linda Tripp and Lucianne Goldberg. She ought to blame her fellow females.

[GarySeven]

59. A little slutty AND a bit nutty

everybody's right.

[GreenArrow]

89. so if she's a slut

what does that make Bill Clinton. It takes two to play.

[Terran]

116. Hey, no disagreement there.

I'm not even saying that "slutty" is a bad thing, since I'm sort of one myself, at heart. I guess it would be more spot-on to call her a hypocrite for blaming Clinton, for exactly the reasons you cite: it takes two. And like I said, she should be blaming the conspiracy that nailed her, not Clinton. Those were the people who used her; at least she and Bill obtained mutual satisfaction from each other, one assumes!

[amber dog democrat]

130. Hate to be hypocritical here...

but I were it in my power, I would have given Clinton a harem if he wanted one.
Yes it was irresponsible behavior, but I have little sympathy for her.
She was old enough to know what she was doing.

[GreenArrow]

147. I've no problem with a harem for Bill either

but it's a two way street. After Paula Jones and Gennifer Flowers, one would think Clinton would have been a bit more circumspect. But he wanted a piece of ass, and had a very willing partner. If Monica was old enough to know what she was doing, then Bill certainly was, and he had plenty of years of additional experience to tell him the consequences were likely to be unpleasant. He was older, more experienced, married, and in a position of greater power. Though both are adults, the onus on him is greater, I would think.

[amber dog democrat]

150. So they are both victims of their own poor choices?

You know the thing that really gets me is what poor taste he had in partners.
Gennifer and Paula are not the brightest lights in the marquee...but maybe its a power thing and some guys are not turned on by bright women. He IS married to one.
What did he do to tick them off? They both seemed pretty pissed afterwards.
Was it a " what am I, chopped liver?" issue? Paula seemed as cuddly as an attracitve wolverine.

There is no good answer here. I still have no sympathy for girls who wear thongs and flirt - if push comes to shove later on. I just WISH Bill had shown more maturity.

I long for the days of Warren G Harding who as H.L. Menken put it, had a cutie in every closet. Presidents need love too !

[wabeewoman]

139. It's not like she couldn't have said no to Clinton

I think it was her doing the propositioning but that's just my opinion.

[HFishbine]

52. I agree

Not right at all. If a man treated your daughter or sister the way Clinton treated Monica, we'd hear a different tune.

[hightime]

He treated her like a kleenex because that is what she aspired to.

Clinton didn't make the "kneepad" comment.

I will agree with the different tune part though. I would be saying how bad I felt for having raised a perfidious slut of a daughter.

[mac56]

70. Clinton didn't treat her like a kleenex. The GOP did.

Your comment about what she aspired to is ludicrous speculation. Who would aspire to what she went through? Her payback was way out of proportion to what she may have hoped for.

And you'd stand behind your daughter. Any parent would. So knock off the tough-guy pose.

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[mac56]

77. Think so? Thanks for the feedback.

It must be nice to never have suffered any consequences that you didn't completely anticipate.

How's the view from that high horse?

[HFishbine]

83. Mac

Yeah. Don't you know? She had it coming.

[mac56]

84. Yeah, I guess she must have.

This is the best and fairest of all possible worlds, right?

/sarcasm

91. Pertinent to 56

I wonder what the average age of these people virulently attacking Monica is.
You nail it on the head here with your comment about suffering consequences of events that you didn't completely anticipate.

[GreenArrow]

90. "She was too stupid to know ..."

the consequences of her actions."

So how does that reflect on Bill Clinton? How stupid was he?

[mac56]

94. Now you're just talkin' crazy, GA.

Men don't make mistakes. Only ignorant sluts do. Especially if they don't fit hightime's ideal body image.

/sarcasm

[GreenArrow]

ebbideeebideeebideebideeebidee.....

:crazy:

[Yupster]

127. I haven't thought of "ignorant slut" for 20 years

Dan Akroyd "Jane you ignorant slut." Brings back memories.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

171. Pot. Kettle. Black.

[amber dog democrat]

138. Not necessarily.

I don't concern myself with the privite lives of my siblings and as for my daughter... CPS would be there first...and we would be talking about someone who would be a registered sex offender... but this is just sex.

Once my daugter reaches 18, I am not involved in her personal choices.

[RummyTheDummy]

141. If the shoe fits.....

Lewinsky is a slut or tramp or trollop. That doesn't make her a bad person, however. I must admit I find her attractive.

[saskatoon]

164. calling her a slut isn't fair?

you must have a different definition of slut than the accepted one. didn't you read the other posts that backed that up? What do you call someone who exposes her thong underwear to a married man, she had been trying to get access to him for weeks. Dont be so naive.

[Merlin]

6. This lady is a spoiled brat. I have no sympathy for her.

Despite all her complaints about being "betrayed" by her friend, whatsherface, SHE was the one who kept the incriminating evidence and delivered it on cue.

She received $100,000 for this interview. I think that says it all.

[GreenArrow]

19. She received $100,000 for this interview

legal bills.

I suppose Bill CLinton gets nothing for his interviews?

[Merlin]

29. No he doesn't. If he did, he'd catch holy hell for it. But the issue is...

that to make herself a hot and in demand interview, she thinks she has to say things controversial and salacious.

[GreenArrow]

88. "she thinks she has to say things controversial and salacious"

She's not without blame, but what I got from the interview was that she was upset that he didn't make much mention of the fatal "encounter" which actually went on for some time, nor did he offer any apology to her in regards to the lies, aspersions etc. that BC and his staff offered to defend Bill's behaviour when the whole fiasco transpired. Given her role in that fiasco, and the topicality of Clinton's book, I'd say she qualifies as an in demand interview. Both of them have huge legal bills, and even if BC doesn't get paid for his interveiws (which I doubt; he is surely paid for at least some of them) he is still able to ask huge sums as speaking fees.

Is her life "destroyed?" I wouldn't want to say, but it will be impossible for people of a certain age to hear the name Monica without thinking of the words "blow job."

I think the whole fact that Clinton apparently glossed over the whole adventure with Monica is dishonest on his part. It takes two to tango, and even if he came out and said "I was just using a very willing girl like a piece of toilet paper," at least he would be dealing with the issue. Maybe there were very real feelings involved on both sides. It's not really useful biographically to talk about remorse for an action without giving any details about one's feelings and participation in the action.

[Merlin]

118. Looks like you're just hungry for that salacious part.

I think he's handled it just fine. And absolutely no, BC does not get paid for interview. If he did, he'd never hear the end of it (unless he donated it to some cause).

Monica can write a book. Monica can speak. I guarantee she'd be a big hit on the lecture circuit.

As for wanting more from Bill, SHE FUCKING GOT HIM IMPEACHED! Hello! Doesn't that sort of suggest he may not want to discuss it anymore. She's not the only one with feelings.

[GreenArrow]

125. I really couldn't care less about the salacious part

just don't like the double standards.

As for Monica getting him impeached, nobody forced him to pull his pants down.

[Tomee450]

155. Monica is asking for too much.

I used to feel a little sorry for her but not now. She is thirty years old and still does not want to take responsibility for her actions. Yes, Bill Clinton was wrong to engage in an adulterous affair but Monica was just as wrong to pursue a married man with a child. She wants and apology? Did she ever apologize to Hillary and Chelsea for all the pain she caused? I remember reading an article about her pitching a fit when staff tried to keep her away from Clinton. She really wanted that affair. She is responsible for her actions and if her life is ruined, it is she who must bare the blame for that ruin.

[Pretty_in_CodePink]

207. Maybe not directly

but he is selling books

[Bridget Burke]

7. Poor Little Thing

I do believe she had achieved the age of reason when she & Clinton had their encounter.

If she really wants to get on with her life she needs to look for a job that does not involve PR (hosting a reality show, representing Jenny Craig) & stop doing interviews.

[okieinpain]

158. speak the truth

[Warpy]

8. Lewinsky was an overheated little groupie

who actively pursued HIM. If anybody wrecked her life, she certainly got the destruction off to a roaring start. Tripp and Starr then jumped in to help it along.

The little twat seems to have turned Repuglican. You know, never having to take responsibility for her own part in a disaster. She wanted to throw herself at a married man in hopes of deposing his family and being a trophy wife, and it didn't work out.

I'll cry her a river and she can jump into it and drown. Her five minutes are OVER.

[Voltaire99]

163. LOL! The frat-boy logic doesn't wash, Warpy

I'm laughing at your post, which sounds just like any frat-boy outpouring of misogyny.

The fact is: Bill was married and the prez, but still wanted his little number on the side. Even he admits the blame is all his. We know the rest: he lied, and weaseled, and his hillbilly pathos, in turn, bequeathed us Bush.

Who's more pathetic? The amorous young woman in her twenties bedazzled by power, or the lying married older man in his fifties who uses that power to get blowjobs? The immature girl, or the man who threw away the hard-won claim to moral leadership and the party's lock on the White House? Try not to think too hard, Warpy!

[pauliedangerously]

206. Right you are, sir!!

Clinton was older and should have known better...and in his fifties to boot. I could MAYBE feel more empathetic towards a guy in his twenties of thirties, still fighting the lingering urges of adolescence, but FIFTIES???? Come on. Surely common sense can win out over the libido by then.

I am speaking as a way-left person who reluctantly voted for Clinton both times, did a vote swap with a Naderite in 2000, and wouldn't vote for Bush at gunpoint.

Surely Clinton was aware that SEX is the Achille's Heel of whatever party or movement runs opposed to the religious right agenda, and if it weren't for that irresponsible and dishonorable behavior, we would most likely have a different president today.

My personal opinion on what he did is, "who gives a flying fuck?" It simply isn't MY business. However, there are tens of millions of intellectually stunted fundie dipshits in this country ready to pounce on such an opportunity...enter asswad Ken Starr.

Clinton knew the risks and he screwed over everyone left of center for a lousy blowjob. I hope she at least swallowed.

[Kid_A]

9. Give me a fucking break...

Her life was not destroyed, even in the slightest. How many deals has she gotten since the scandal? I remember her doing her own line of handbags, appearing on SNL, and hosting some shitty reality show on Fox. So how can someone who is making much more money than they were before they polished the president's knob say that their life has been destroyed? She'll probably keep getting offers to appear in TV shows and in movies (no, not that kind, you perv). If anything, her life has been enhanced since the scandal. Granted, it's not the kind of enhancement I would like in my life, but I think if her life had been truly destroyed then it would be impossible for her to complain to the media, because most crack houses don't have phone lines.

[chookie]

10. She could have been a doctor or an architect

Oh, if only this pure child had not strayed, innocent lamb that she was, into the clutches of this vile seducer....

Not surprising that she thinks that Bill Clinton ruined her life. After all, beyond him, there has not been anything significant about it; the fame that she received as a result of this affair is the only she will ever receive.

Monica -- America's Fergie.

[emad]

15. Maybe presidential cocksucking is true vocation. Shouldn't stop

her from progressing on a natural path in this career.....

[kskiska]

12. Isn't she the one who flashed her thong

and started the whole sorry mess? Then when he wanted out, she threatened him.

[warrior1]

16. Has

anyone ever thought that she was planted by the repukes?

[ProfessorGAC]

66. I've Thought It For 7 Years

I also think she was in on the deal. She's not a dupe. She's an operative.
The Professor

[bobthedrummer]

133. I'm also inclined to think that this was some kind of set-up.

Why would Lewinsky have such close friends as Tripp and that other horrid woman? They could have been her case officers, imo.

[playahata1]

Yes, I have always believed she was a GOP plant.

The seductive temptress.

[fujiyama]

210. For a "seductive temptress"

she sure wasn't that good looking.

Either way, I think she's a damn fool...and she has herself to blame. She knew what she was getting herself into. She was a consenting adult. And she knows that this is her only claim to fame. While Clinton certainly takes a lot of fault, she's not blameless. She degraded herself.

As for Clinton, I think he got himself in one hell of a mess...and I'm really tired of hearing about this whole manufactured scandal. Clinton didn't really have much self control. He gave those ass hole republicans way too much ammo.

[Mike Daniels]

110. Even if that 's the case, so what.

Clinton should have been able to keep his dick zipped up. End of story.

It's not like his inablility to stay faithful wasn't news before the election.

[rman]

124. except that he wasn't impeached for being unfaithful.

I think it was a dumb thing for Clinton to do, especially since he knew the repubs were out to get him.
But i also think it is quite relevant whether or not it was a setup.

I wouldn't be surprised if he realized it was a trap, but thought he could get away with it. His alpha male libido got the better of him.

[rman]

119. yes - didn't the repubs promise Clinton..

..they'd 'get him' if he'd become president?

Well, they got him.

I didn't know she flashed her thong - if that's true then this case closed for me, no more questions.

[rinsd]

143. Not really....

Given what we know of the RW it remains a possiblility but Occam's Razor says intern lusting after a powerful man who liked the ladies.

Linda Tripp on the otherhand may have been acting as puppet master without even Monica's knowledge Knowing one's foilbles and being able to use those against them seems to be part of the story.

[Tellurian]

144. what do you mean was? She still IS working for them-

She got herself 2/interviews for $100k each..

So it's the MONEY...

She needs a $tory to tell!

[shaolinmonkey]

22. I was thinking the same thing.

Unreal. What did she expect? Boo f*cking hoo. Perhaps she could blame Ken Starr or the people who trumpeted this non-issue for months. I think they were the ones who "ruined her life".

[Cheswick2.0]

26. yup, threatened him, kept the dress and told Linda Tripp

shush Monica. You betrayed yourself and you are lucky that Hillary hasn't brought suite against you for the way you betrayed her.

[HFishbine]

85. That's right

She was just begging for it and Clinton was only behaving the way any red-blooded American male would. When a woman flirts, she deserves the worst.

[Yupster]

128. "Any red-blooded male?"

You sure seem to have a low opinion of the average male.

I think that most married 55 year old bosses have had interns make a pass at them. I've had it happen as a boss. Who knows how many times it happened when I taught college. Some of it led to a stern look, a time or two a reproachful comment, never an affair.

[HFishbine]

137. Sarcasm

I was being sarcastic.

[DarkPhenyx]

13. Destroyed my ASS!

She made money on the deal with all the interviews and crap.

[AngryAmish]

126. Who destroyed your ass?

Did it hurt?

[eyesroll]

14. Why is the Clinton comment re: Kerry and Hillary a problem?

Is it the "quite good" vs. "excellent?" So what? He's praising his wife.

[emad]

17. He was asked to rate Kerry's chances against Bush in 2004.

His enthusiasm was rather tepid and made me wonder why the hell he wasn't backing the Dems' candidate more avidly on UK primetime. Then when asked about Hillary's chances post-2004 he positively led her campaign.

[emulatorloo]

60. His Contrast of Kerry w Bush was quite pointed

While he did not name Bush in the comparison, it was clear that's who the comparison was too. . . .paraphrasing, he said

Kerry was intelligent and inquisitive and looked for all the answers. Would encourage honest debate, etc

Kerry was not afraid to be around people who knew more about something than he did. . .instead he would value them.

Kerry would not punish someone who looked him in the eye and disagreed w him.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

68. It was the CORRECT answer of a HUSBAND

Geez.

[eyesroll]

115. I can picture a similar exchange between my husband and a newscaster

"Do you think <insert actual candidate here> will be a good <insert office I may have expressed interest in>?"
"Sure, I think he'll be very good."

"Do you think Stacie would make a good <office>?"
"Oh, she'd be excellent."

I don't see this as undermining a current candidate. It sounds more like a spouse than a campaigner, that's all.

[readmylips]

18. Monica is an embarrassment to her parents.....

both parents dedicated doctors of cancer research. Monica wanted the easy way out...she got it. She wanted to be famous beyond what her parents have achieved and continue to give to humanity. Yet, her parents are never in the news seeking self recognition and self grandeurs. Dr. Lewinsky was my cousin's cancer doctor, and he was the best. He's a very compassionate man, soft-spoken and fully dedicated to his profession.

Monica go away. We gave you a pass. We will not tolerate your sorry ass again. Have respect for your parents.

[kskiska]

24. Her mother is no doctor to my knowledge

Her career while in Hollywood included writing a book on the Three Tenors, falsely suggesting she'd had affairs with them. She later married Peter Strauss, multi-millionaire, and moved to NYC. Her mother seemed to have encouraged her daughter's pursuit of Clinton, or at least never tried to stop it.

[rocktivity]

99. When Monica's father demanded an apology from a TV show

because a character referred to having been "lewinski-ed," I thought that the father should apologize for having been such a poor male authority figure. Monica must have known what she was doing because she'd done it at least twice before. And being age 21 at the time, she's old enough be held accountable for her share of the blame. She was a proactive consenting adult, not a naive victim.

I remember seeing Monica in a Weight Watchers commercial, but I think the only thing she's truly qualified to endorse is sex therapy.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Cheswick2.0]

20. He thinks Hillary would be a better president than Kerry and that made you

mad? Isn't he allowed to glow a bit about his own wife? :eyes:

[emad]

23. Would have been nice to know whether he's actually

campaigning on Kerry's behalf, or indicating a Bush 2004 walk over and saying never mind, Hillary's in for 2008.

The impression he gave was that Bush winning this November was pretty certain.

I thought that sucked.

[Cheswick2.0]

28. I didn't get that impression at all

I don't think just because he was president he has to be on Kerry's campaign staff. You have also conveniently forgotten the part where he said he would do whatever he could to help get Kerry elected.

[emad]

30. If I was batting for Kerry on prime time I would sure let everyone

know about it. The interviewer Dimbleby said to him "QUITE good?" and Clinton replied "Yes, you say that here, quite good...?" I though it was weak and uninspiring and for an ex-Dem President pretty poor show.

[Cheswick2.0]

40. oh please stop

He is the ex-president, not a Kerry cheerleader.

[emad]

42. Maybe we didn't see the same interview!

[JI7]

76. i guess not since your the only one who has that view

other than clinton hating republicans. sorry, but anyone who makes a big thing out of clinton complimenting his wife and trying to claim it means they want bush to win so hillary can run are most likely clinton haters and have an agenda. i get tired of it from right wingers and it's even worse hearing it from democrats.

[emad]

187. Dimbleby, the journalist, asked him the question? "Quite good?"

after Clinton rated Kerry's potential presidency. Clinton then faltered and said, "Yes, quite good, you say that over here?". Later he enthused avidly about Hillary's presidential chances in 2008. Dimbleby made a comment about that too.

Given that it was prime time UK tv and over one million Democrats Abroad are registered voters in the UK, Clinton's endiresement of Kerry seemed tepid. My own group of Dems Abroad has all said the same thing that they felt Clinton downplayed his enthusiasm for Kerry and did not seem to be giving this UK TV interview like he was batting for him at all.

As for your psychoanalysis of a Dem who isn't a doormat when it comes to discussing Clinton, I think you should read the earlier posts instead of making a sweeping judgement.

Like many who voted him in in 92 and 96 and personally contributed $$$$$$$$ to his campaigns I was prepared to back a political agenda that matched that of my peer group and in which I believed. But the personal flaws of the man -- and that's excluding his sexual shennanigans with Gennifer Flowers and all the other women who have testified to sleeping with him during the duration of his marriage to Hillary - are self evident.

Only immature and naive wishful thinkers rate Clinton as a great president. I was hoping he might exonerate some of his own immense hubris on TV the other noght by openly backing Kerry like he really meant it.

Instead he spent the first 30 minutes saying why he backed the Iraq war, why he backed George W Bush and why he still won;t criticise the present administration openly.
That sucked.

[bhairava]

122. A misunderstanding

Most Americans use the word "quite" as an intensive meaning very. This in especially true in the midwest and south. Eg., "The play was quite good." (sometimes with a meaning of unexpectedly good). In the UK, it's different. If you said someones daughter was quite pretty, they would likely take offence. Of course, sometimes Brits also use the word like many of us do too. It can be quite confusing;) Dimbleby took Clinton to be damning with faint praise inthe UK manner. Clinton realised this and immediately made himself clear. I have seen the whole interview.

[hightime]

45. What in the interview gave you that idea? I didn't see it so I didn't know

I have read an excerp, I don't know if it was from the book or 60 minutes, that said he thought he could have helped Gore if AL would have let him.

[emad]

62. I've got it on video. Gave him 4 out of 10 for cheerleading Kerry.

[JI7]

78. sometimes the best support is not cheerleading and looking like an ass

but in the specific advice one gives in private that actually helps one to win. not jumping up and down screaming about who you support and acting like a fool.

clinton's comments on kerry were right on. he showed why kerry would be good in a way to get others to support kerry.

[emad]

63. I've got it on video. Gave him 4 out of 10 for cheerleading Kerry.

[AngryAmish]

25. Why won't she shut her pie-hole?

Because opening her mouth is what she does best. Around food, around poor Bill...

[GreenArrow]

95. "poor Bill"

yeah, he hated that so much...

[jayfish]

32. Sorry Monica But The Book Is Called "My Life", Not Monica's' Life. -NT-

Jay

[Sparkle]

33. Monica should let this go. If reporters ask her opinion about any

of it, all she has to say is no comment. She wants to go on with her life, that is how she should handle this. And if I were Clinton, after he wrote about it in his book and gave his comments to numerous journalist (being that's all they wanted to hear about), he shouldn't speak anymore about that damn affair he had. He said his piece and doesn't have anymore to say about it. If you want to know about it, read his book or check the archives.

[Rose Siding]

34. On Oprah, he expressed his hopes for her

...that her life wouldn't end up being defined by what happened and the ensuing fame. She doesn't seem to have the same positive vision for herself.

[Tripmann]

35. A life "destroyed"

Fame, fortune, silly money for interviews? Can Lewinsky honestly say that she was so much better off in her previous life as one of us ordinary people (edit: I know theres no such thing as an ordinary person"

Tripmann

[wurzel]

36. How do you "betray" a whore?

Lewinsky openly admitted that she "flashed" Clinton. He was weak, irresponsible, and dumb enough to take the bait. There was nothing to "betray". On either side. They had no "relationship" apart from sex.

[Stephanie]

43. Uncalled for

She does not deserve that. That's very rude.

[wurzel]

58. It is not "rude". It is true.

She didn't meet and have a relationship with with Clinton in the usual sense of "man meets woman". She deliberately went after him not because he was Bill Clinton, but because he was "The President". She boasted of having "earned her Presidential Knee Pads". There was no "love" involved here. This was just "sex" at its most basic. The "romance" was manufactured afterwards. There is no other way of describing this "encounter".

[kskiska]

196. She admitted to checking his schedule and positioning herself

at the rope line wherever he appeared. In the West Wing she managed to breeze by as close to the Oval Office as she could get, though it was off limits to her as an intern, using the excuse of delivering papers to Stephanopoulos (another target of hers) or someone.

At the beginning of the "affair" she promised to end it whenever he wished, but when he wanted out, she cried and threatened him. Sounds like a stalker to me.

Kathleen Willey was another one. She would call Linda Tripp and talk about ways to arrange a rendezvous with Clinton, even to the point of detailing what she should wear, etc. She brought him chicken soup when he had a cold, and continued to write him letters even after the "groping" she purported to be so upset about. When the White House produced these letters, she threatened to sue because her privacy was invaded.

[hightime]

71. Agreed, whores are merely sex workers, this woman was a slut.

She did it because she had no morals and planned to blackmail a president.

[GreenArrow]

97. ah, poor President Clinton

he fell under the spell of this harlot and was powerless to resist her charms. It was simply beyond his control, so he had no choice other than to lay back and let her have his way with him.

[wurzel]

149. No! Clinton was more to blame than Lewinsky!

This girl was a young whore. Nothing more. But Clinton was a grown man with a daughter of close age to Lewinsky. When she "flashed" him he should have put her in her place in no uncertain terms. He was the President! This was the Oval Office! There is absolutely no excuse for his behavior and in my view should have resigned. Of course, the press, Republicans, and Ken Starr were total hypocrites. The only one to come out of this sorry affair with her dignity intact was Chelsea Clinton. The youngest in age of everyone involved, but with the greatest maturity. I don't know her of course, but my admiration for her demeanor during this time has no bounds.

[Tomee450]

156. I disagree

People younger than twenty-one get married and start having children and are expected to act responsibly even though they are young. They also serve in the military and are allowed to vote. Monica Lewinsky knew exactly what she was doing and can only blame herself for what has happened to her. Both she and Clinton are responsible for their actions. She should stop trying to blame him;he never forced her into the relationship,she was the pursuer.

[wurzel]

160. Lewinsky was a teenager. Clinton was in his fifties.

She was an intern. He was the President of the United States. Are you seriously suggesting they were equally to blame? I don't dispute how that little slut behaved. But because she acted like a young bitch in heat does not excuse his acting like a old dog in the street. His behavior was totally inexcusable. She at least was not married with a child. I just find Lewinsky's claim of being "betrayed" grotesque. If she was just a "pursuer" how did she get in the White House? If she had been a thirty year old secretary I wouldn't have bat an eyelid, except it happened in the Oval Office.

[Tomee450]

162. Lewinsky was not a teenager.

She was in her early twenties. In this society we hold people younger than Monica responsible for their actions. Of course Clinton should have rejected her advances but the fact remains it was she who made the advance. He did not force her to do anything. She knew what she was doing and cannot blame others for her disgrace. Most people are aware that they should not pursue a married man. Monica knew it too, but did not care. She did not care about Hillary or Chelsea. Why should Clinton be entirely to blame for her disgrace when she initiated the affair? She has a history of engaging in that type of behavior. They were both adults and both are to blame.

[wurzel]

165. Of course they are "both to blame".

But I hold Clinton much more to blame for the reasons I have given. He was at least twice her age. He was married with a child. He was the President of the United States. He was already under investigation by a political zealot. He had to have understood the outcome of all this better than she. He had to have known how many citizens, who were supporting him against Starr at personal cost, were counting on him. Susan McDougall went to jail. Vincent Foster committed suicide. I find his behavior unforgivable and inexplicable. On the other hand, to me, Lewinsky was just a whore.

[Tomee450]

166. Well

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I do not believe Clinton deserves more blame because of his status or age. He was a married man;Monica knew this but chased him anyway. There are many young people who would never have an affair with a married person. They respect marriage. Monica should blame only herself for what happened. She offered herself to Clinton. She was not forced.

[wurzel]

194. Which of us is the "conservative" or "liberal"?

Here is a example of how meaningless these labels are. You do not believe Clinton is more to blame because of his stature and age. A rather "libertarian" view that is to me too "liberal" to Clinton. I hold Clinton much more to blame for exactly those reasons. A very "conservative" view that to you is perhaps too "liberal" to Lewinsky. We don't agree, but I enjoyed the exchange anyway. Also the "heads up" that Lewinsky was a couple of years older than I remembered.

[DBtv]

154. Bullshit.

Lewinski was planted by Tripp who was planted by Goldberg who dirty ticked McGovern.

It was an old school entrapment con and monica was a Publican operative. As such she deserves scorn not compassion.

[apnu]

37. boy... feel the love in this room -- Important point here!

Re-read everybody's comments and this tread looks like a freeper thread.

Monica has a right to say this stuff. Her life was destroyed, and no amount of financial restitution is going to restore her. The media circus and the "probing" from Starr was intense. For a private citizen who suddenly is thrust into the national spot-light like that the effects on the person is dramatic and destructive.

Case in point is the so called "Olympic Bomber" the security guard who was suspected of bombing the Atlanta Games. Turns out, if I recall, he had little to do with that story and unfortunately had been in the wrong place at the wrong time. Now the guy's career is destroyed, his dignity is in tatters by being tried, convicted and sentenced by our media.

Monica is at least lucky because she got a sizable check to help fix her life. She has no choice but to stay in the public spot-light as her old career is finished. And in doing so, she has to forever relive the events of the scandal.

So have a little understanding for Monica's position. Yes, she did a bad thing, but calling here a "slut" and commenting on her weight is completely unfair.

On to Monica's comments specifically...

I understand that she's hurt, but I believe that she's not understanding Clinton's view on this. He's trying to set the record straight from his perspective, and be brutally honest about those events. I believe him 100% when he said that he "did it because he could" Clinton, IMO, was not saying that as a good thing. He's ashamed and disappointed about his actions, and is being quite honest about it.

Monica has a right to be hurt, if I were in her position, I'd be hurt too. But I think she needs to understand what he said, and maybe this will help her find peace with the whole scandal. Its clear that she still cares for Clinton deeply, but its also clear that nothing will ever come of her love for the man. And perhaps the harsh reality of his statements will jar her into moving on from this whole thing.

I reiterate that Monica is right, the scandal destroyed her life. And Clinton was involved in that. The guilt for this destruction should lie on the shoulders of Monica, Clinton, Starr, and our entire media infrastructure.

[emad]

47. Don't know if she did a "bad" thing or just a sexual thing.

The only bad is the bit about cheating on Hillary. Always thought that was a private matter to be sorted between spouses.

Monica went for it and got trawled through the courts by the Repukes. What a shame that's all her fame amounts to.

[apnu]

55. Yes!

The whole thing is a private issue between the Clintons and Monica. Its none of my business, or anybody else's business.

Sure, what Bill and Monica was bad, but that's to be sorted out between them and them alone.

[BiggJawn]

48. But nobody FORCED her to reach into the breaker box...

...and play with the live wires, now did they?

As for the "Olympic Bomber", who is he again? what's his name? I'm sure he can still find work as a pizza delivery or renta-cop, which if memory serves, is what he was doing prior to the Olympics. Damn, I had forgotten him. Maybe it has something to do with him not jumping up and going "Remember ME???" every time Rudolph or the Atlanta bombing hits the news, unlike Monica, who just can't stay out of the limelight.

As for "... nothing will ever come of her love for the man." Geez, like she's the first woman to fuck a married man and then have to deal with that fact?

Monica really should get a clue that as long as she keeps jumping into the spotlight metaphorically waving the cum-stained blue dress, she is "destroying" her OWN life, time and again.

[apnu]

67. what is your hostility towards Monica?

I think its rather irrational to still be pissed off.

The fact that she's not the first mistress in human history makes this story all the more mundane. Yet people still snarl like wounded lions when her name comes up. Both here on the left and on the right.

It boggles my mind that people are still pissed off over this whole thing. And this thread proves that there are elements on the left that are just as upset over this thing as the right is obsessed with blaming all of our woes on Clinton's penis.

And get your facts straight on the issue of the blue dress. She waved it once. When she handed it over to Starr. It was he, who waved the thing over and over and over and over and over...

Did Monica do a bad thing? Yes, of course she did. But that's not my point, my point is the life she knew has been destroyed and she has to go along some how. And if she's chosen to use here ill-gotten celebrity to her advantage well what's the big deal? Yeah, its screwed up, but isn't that the American way?

As for the Olympic Park bomber, real nice, that was classy. That man is doomed to live the life of a felon when he isn't a felon. Any chance of career advancement is gone. The best he can hope for is being a rent-a-cop now because of the manufactured scandal.

He has no debt to society to pay, he he'll be paying it for the rest of his life. How would you like to be tossed on national TV and ridiculed as a "loser" for absolutely no reason? I think your tune would change rather quickly.

[BiggJawn]

108. I have no hostility towards Monica

Why do you feel that you need to be her "White Knight" defending her against all of us who think her "15 minutes" are up.

As for the guy from Atlanta (I'm going to "respect his privacy" and NOT google his name to mention here) you seem to imply that he was going to be a doctor or a CEO or something before he got caught up in the Inquisition. you know the guy personally or something?

As for "being tossed on TV and ridiculed", buddy, you don't know me from Jack. What makes you so sure I *HAVEN'T* been held up to public ridicule myself?

you assume too much.

[mac56]

111. Why does it make one a "white knight" to stand up for fairness?

If doing that gets someone ridiculed, so be it. Someone has to chase away the schoolyard bullies.

[amber dog democrat]

136. I think the woman has no principles and there are consequences

for making bad choices. I have no sympathy for her.
She is an opportunist out for what ever she can get by cashing in on her notoriety.
Now if she was too ashamed to show her face in public, this woudl be a different situation.

[apnu]

176. I'm not commenting on her choices

Nor am I making judgments on her. That's 5 year old news. Its been done and said more times than I can count.

I'm only saying that the scandal did destroy her life and she's had to evolve with it. Her principles don't enter into my point, and you're certainly free to be revolted by her and Clinton's choices. I am, cheating on your spouse is the worst thing you can do in a marriage short of abusing your spouse. However, its her business and the Clinton's, not ours.

I suspect that she'll be haunted by the demons of that scandal for the rest of her life.

[playahata1]

112. RICHARD JEWELL is the security guard who was originally

accused of bombing Centennial Park.

I really feel sorry for that man and what he has been through. My father and my grandfather work/have worked as security guards, and it is a thankless job all around.

[Mandate My Ass]

49. Amen, apnu

Good post. She will forever have her name linked
to blowjobs. While she bears a significant share
of responsibility for that fact, it's still a raw
deal for a young woman who, as a poster said below,
seems to have emotional and self-esteem issues that
compel her to behave rashly and try to form inap-
propriate attachments to unattainable men. I think
she has paid, and paid dearly, for that and hopefully
she's wiser for it.

After all these years, the vitriol for her, from all
quarters, really surprises me.

[apnu]

75. Thank you

I wish more people would have a realistic perspective on this thing. And I'm boggled that this scandal still has this much power today.

Maybe that's because it, and Bill's book, is a "healthy" distraction from the horrors going on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[OKNancy]

51. Agree about the freeper quality of the thread

and I think Monica really was in love with him ( or had a serious crush on him) She's hurt because he doesn't acknowlege any affection for her. Although she is delusional, that doesn't make her hurt any less.

[apnu]

174. Thanks, another sane voice in the torrent of Monica/Clinton bashing n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

61. the guy who was accused of being the olympic bomber

did not chose his role. Monica chose hers. She initiated the relationship knowing she was going after someone elses husband. Bill is responsible but so is she. Where is her apology?

[apnu]

72. that, I cannot answer...

... I would like to see her take part in somekind of closure that Bill is clearly seeking with this book.

But its up to her. I don't agree with what she did and I don't think anybody, including Moncia, thinks that her and Bill's activities were particularly intellegent.

No the olympic bomber didn't choose his role. Nor did Moncia. She choose to only have extra-martial relations with someone. It was the media machine and the GOP that choose to make a stink about it.

When someone cheats on their spouce the only people who should be invloved are: the cheaters themselves and their families. AND NO ONE ELSE

[Ganja Ninja]

82. Pleeeese! Give me a break.

Spare me all the hurt feeling bull. Bill Clinton didn't spill the beans on poor Monica. Monica spilled the beans when she opened her mouth to Linda Tripp. She sought out her little fling with Clinton and through he own indiscretion she put herself in the limelight. So now she can make 6 figures any time she wants just for signing her name to a pack of lies someone else will write for her. Boo Hoo Hoo!

If anyone has the right to feel hurt it's Hillary. Has Monica ever issued an apology to her? She's an adult. Maybe for once in her life she should try acting like one.

[apnu]

93. You've missed my point entirely

My point is, Monica is right when she says the whole thing destroyed her life. Also, I'd like to point out, that a bunch of money does not a happy person make.

This whole assigning blame and degrading Monica is exactly what I'm talking about. We're obsessed with rehashing 5 year old news, and bitching about the same crap that's been said thousands of times.

And, as usual, our culture (in the US) stoically refused to acknowledge the fact that our media locks on to people and works overtime to meter out as much damage to their lives as possible.

The comments in this thread are resulting from that feeding frenzy, and are fanning the flame for another one.

I'm not a Monica apologist, I'm only saying that we should be looking at the crass way our media hunts people down and destroys them. And when they are broken and not as useful anymore, our media tosses them in the trash while they go out and hunt for the next banal scandal.

[oldcoot]

123. Did it destroy her life?

I agree that it really is not fair to call her a slut, comment on her weight, or to blame her entirely for the mess. After all, Clinton certainly could and should have ignored her. He should have behaved like an adult and respected his wedding vows.

However, I question whether or not her relationship with Clinton ruined her life. While I have no doubt that it was a stressful time in her life, it seems that she has had opportunities that would not have had under normal circumstances. If any of us wrote a book about our lives, we would probably have a hard time finding a publisher. Yet Lewinsky had no problem selling her autobiography. Lewinsky also has been a spokesperson for Jenny Craig and hosted a reality show. If she really wanted to go back to living a more private life, she certainly has the resources to do so.

[apnu]

173. Yes it has destroyed her life.

At least the life that she knew. Any dreams or opportunities that she hoped for are now dashed, and Monica alone must pick up the pieces.

Her story is a sad one, she's a the point where she's been so debased by our media that the only thing she has is to sell and resell her story. Perhaps the Jenny Craig thing is the only bright spot for her. She's only famous because she was naive and in Washington. She made some foolish decisions with a man who also made foolish decisions. The media at the goading of the GOP turned her into the nation's Mary Magdalene what other course of action does she have? People will pay her large sums of money for some bawdy story. That's all she has.

I have serious doubts that Monica is happy with her life today. It doesn't matter that she's rich, what I'm talking about is the quality of her life.

I'm just barely above poverty level in this country, and I'm pretty happy with my life. She's rich and, most likely, miserable with her life. So yeah, her life is in ruins.

But that's not my point, the point is that our media (at the whipping of the GOP) eats people and spits them out. Clinton was prepared for that by training from his political career, Monica on the other hand was not. Just because she's kinda rich today, doesn't mean she has a "good life" There's more to life than riches.

[eridani]

177. Are we forgetting about Ken Starr?

The affair may have been sleazy, but it damn well didn't rate being verbally gangraped by the entire US Congress.

[oldcoot]

179. How do you know her dreams were dashed?

Without knowing what her dreams are, how do you know her dreams are dashed? For all anyone knows, Lewinsky's biggest dream might have been to become famous. If this is the case, then she has realized her dream.

While I agree that money does not equal happiness, we should not ignore the fact that it does provide options. For example, Lewinsky could have returned to school to get a graduate degree or she could have started a small business. Yes, it would have been difficult for her at first, but if she worked hard enough, she probably could have been successful. She does not have to dedicate the rest of her life to her relationship with Clinton.

[pansypoo53219]

39. she made her bed

why do people insist on making their life a mess?

[hlthe2b]

41. I think Monica has always had deep seated emotional problems

only exacerbated by her insecurities. I'd be willing to bet her weight gain is a reflection of that. I do feal sorry for her, but in no way believe she was not a willing participant, nor that she was somehow duped by Clinton.

I wish her family and friends would see that she is on a self-destructive pathway and get her the help and support I'm convinced she needs.

[emad]

44. Wonder what ever happened to that "cigar" biz.....

Sounded pretty dodgy to me until someone later quipped there was a cigar and Clinton then gave it to....Yasser Arafat...

[Gin]

57. No sympathy from me for either of them on this issue.....he pays for his

behavior at every turn....and this stupid behavior will be listed in the history books.

She played with fire...and she got burned. She has ruined her own life...and life lessons can be bitter pills to swallow.

Both were wrong...both are still being punished. She needs help....I hope she gets it.

[MattPinNC]

54. You have got to be s**tting me .....

what, those 15+ minutes of infamy weren't ehough? WTF is she thinking? Did she NOT bring this upon herself, and NOW she feels hurt? Give me a break. And she should STFU !

v

[GarySeven]

56. She was a blackmailer ...

... who was either working on her own or at the behest of the Republicans. There was no other reason to save that dress EXCEPT to use it for blackmail. The full story hasn't been told about her.

[TNOE]

74. You said it

and I agree. President Clinton repeatedly has said "after the age of accountability there are no excuses" - and that goes for her too. She KNEW exactly what she was getting herself into, being a golddigger, adultress, etc. Did she really think going after the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES wouldn't come back to bite her in the ass. She gets no pass from me for her own stupidity, lack of morals, arrogance and greediness. Clinton said on Oprah that he had apologized to her and wished her well. If the media had any sense, it would leave this alone, but of course they don't. If she had any sense, she would say "no comment" and go away. I have zero sympathy for her. She would have been a serial adultress the rest of her life, causing turmoil in untold marriages. She CAME ON to Clinton - not the other way around and I do think there is more to that story. She got played because she's an amoral human being who allowed herself to get played. Her enemy is the GOP & Starr. Paula Jones needs to go far away too. She got her nose job and face redone, that's enough. I want all these sleazy whores off my TV screen.

And Clinton said repeatedly on Larry King last night that he and Hillary have already worked to help Kerry and will CONTINUE to do so.

[Puglover]

132. I've said that from day one!

If I had my partners spooge on an article of clothing (president or not) I'd wash it and have it cleaned. Common fucking sense says she had SOME motivation for keeping the thing. Why is this so hard for people to grasp?

[Politicub]

65. I feel for Monica

I really do, but not because Clinton chooses to spend a minimal amount of time in his book addressing the affair.

Monica was used by the right, and betrayed by someone who she thought was a friend that she could trust. She should be angry at them for making such a huge deal of a minor act.

From a broader perspective, it is the GOP that is contributing most to the coarsening of culture. It started with the cheesy b-grade novel Starr report and its graphic descriptions of cigars, and continued yesterday with Cheney telling a senator to, "go fuck himself."

I'm sure Monica's complaints about how Clinton treats the story in the book will get lots of airing. She is being used again to get at Clinton, and I don't even know if she realizes it.

It seems like the GOP exists only to make peoples' lives miserable. Whether they are president, an intern or just a working class person out in the world. No one is safe from their desire to control.

[JI7]

69. so a man compliments his wife

good for him. why do some always fall for right winger lies about clinton's having an agenda and wanting power. always looking for every little thing to jump on so they can try to claim how evil the clintons are. i get disgusted by it.

[Solly Mack]

79. Sporadic blow jobs does not a two-sided relationship make

Get a grip, Monica. Stop blaming Clinton for what you wanted to do. You blew him for the exact same reasons he let you blow him...because you could.

Move on. Get over it. He didn't destroy your life. Whine on someone elses time.

[Lindacooks]

80. She was hardly a child

what a whiner.

[lancdem]

86. I don't blame Monica

She has every right to her opinion. I wonder if she didn't see the nice comments he made about her on "Oprah."

Of course, the relationship always meant a lot more to her than to him.

As for Clinton's remarks on Kerry and Hillary, naturally he thinks Hillary would make an excellent president. It doesn't mean he doesn't support Kerry 100 percent.

[TLDHOME99]

87. poor little thing . . .

:nopity:

[w4rma]

92. She helped destroy the world. (nt)

[Shakespeare]

96. It's all about ME ME ME!

What she doesn't get now is the same thing she didn't get then--she was about as far from being the center of his universe as one could possibly be. That's part of what contributed to this entire mess, and she still doesn't get it.

I'm not excusing Clinton's behavior, but she should have realized then (and now) that as the most powerful white man on the planet, she was nothing more than an indulgence to him.

[Lakerstan]

98. I can't believe you guys are in my party

If you want to engage in calling someone a "slut" and a "whore", then go join the Republicans.

:hippie:

[mac56]

101. Welcome,, Lakerstan

Word that.

[TNOE]

103. Yea, Right

A Democrat can't call them as they see them huh?

If Monica is NOT a slut - please show me one.
If Monica is NOT a whore - please show me one.

Granted, Monica was NOT a Prostitute because she did not receive cash for her services, but her easiness and sleaziness coming on to a married man in power in fact does make her a slut and a whore and an amoral human being.

[msmcghee]

100. Adults have the right to . .

. . establish whatever kinds of relationships they engage in. They were both adults. She chose to make their relationship public.

Now is not the time to go back and say she was not treated well - especially under the circumstances. She was starstruck and like any groupie simply wanted to be intimate with the star. Flashing your thong doesn't seem like a way to start a serious romance.

Politics is full of these groupies who go to DC or state capitals looking for fame, fortune and a starfuck. That's one reason that high-ego males get into politics - just like wannabe rock stars take up the electric guitar.

At the least she gets to tell her friends all about her adventures with the star - at worst she gets money to keep quiet about it.

I don't recall anyone ever claiming that Clinton told her he would leave Hillary for her.

[Norquist Nemesis]

102. She should be thanking him

for giving her fifteen more minutes of fame. Then she can get down on her knees and thank the GOP and the media for giving her another good 3 or 4 days. LOL

[progressivebydesign]

104. From a woman that told her friends she wanted "presidential knee pads"

..when she left for D.C., she really needs to keep her mouth closed now. Her pursuit of Clinton was well documented. She destroyed her OWN life. Can't keep out of the spotlight, can she?

[Tight_rope]

105. Fuck Monica...that whore destroyed herself...she should have kept her

mouth shut and denied the whole thing...but no...she wanted to be famous. I remember all the shit she did and all the while smiling about it. Monica is brought it all on herself. "Sorry Monica that's the life of a movie star. Famous today...unknown tomorrow"...You should have known better than to compete with the best president the US has ever had, for world fame. Bye bitch! You "NO CLASS WHORE"!

[cmkramer]

109. I agree with Tight_rope

And you notice that Clinton never has anything but nice things to say about her.

I get the feeling that she's one of those people you have to be really careful what you say to her because she takes everything that isn't an obvious compliment as an insult.

[rinsd]

140. Kept her mouth shut and denied it?

Starr was threatening to jail her ass. That a-hole made her mother cry on the stand.

Jesus, as soon as someone's ox is gored, you get a real glimpse at them.

[FizzFuzz]

106. she's an opportunistic idiot

possibly a dupe of the GOP

with very poor judgement and sex/relationship addiction problems

not very likeable. Arguably an asshole. I'll call her a slut when there's an equivalent word for men who do the same thing.

Now I wish everyone would stop insulting female sex workers.

[nolabels]

107. I have no favorite soap, I hardly turn on the boob tube

All these HUMAN stories serve for the distraction, as they wheelbarrow the stolen money (called taxes) out the back door of the US capital and commit ghastly deeds in ALL of our names.

My guess the things vended out other countries who act as the surrogates in this torture cult are much worse. When the US military ends up doing the hardcore stuff they fumble around like this (Please don't tell me about her stained blue dress any more, it makes me sick )

http://www.thewe.cc/contents/more/archive2004/may/man_wrapped_in_cellophane.htm


http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=53437

“Details of the 'iced' body in Cellophane at Abu Ghraib came from Staff Sgt Chip Fredrerick — one of the soldiers reprimanded last week over abuses at the jail.

He talked about the victim — whose front teeth were missing and whose face had the marks of a brutal beating — in a journal he kept.

Fredrerick wrote that the man's body was packed in ice for 24 hours before medics "came in and put his body on a stretcher, placed a fake IV (intravenous drip) in his arm and took him away."

The sergeant said that because the man was not given a number when he arrived at the jail, his death was not recorded.

In his Al-Arabiya interview, Mr Bush referred to the case.”
(snip)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A2755-2004Jun24?language=printer
MP Captain Tells of Efforts to Hide Details of Detainee's Death

By Jackie Spinner
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, June 25, 2004; Page A18

BAGHDAD, June 24 -- The company commander of the U.S. soldiers charged with abusing detainees at Abu Ghraib prison testified Thursday that the top military intelligence commander at the prison was present the night a detainee died during an interrogation and that efforts were made to conceal the details of the detainee's death.

Capt. Donald J. Reese, commander of the 372nd Military Police Company, said he was summoned one night in November to a shower room in a cellblock at the prison, where he discovered the body of a bloodied detainee on the floor. A group of intelligence personnel was standing around the body, discussing what to do, and Col. Thomas M. Pappas, commander of military intelligence at the prison, was among them, Reese said.

Reese said an Army colonel named Jordan sent a soldier to the prison mess hall for ice to preserve the body overnight. Lt. Col. Steven L. Jordan was head of the interrogation center at the prison, but it was unclear whether he was the officer to whom Reese referred.
(snip)

[Judi Lynn]

121. Great post. Timely. The Republican bogus war is a damned measure

more outrageous, harder to accept, and far more destructive to the entire world, not to mention the thousands and thousands of lives destroyed in the process.

You do expect right-wingers to drag this pathetic drivel up any time possible and insert it where there should be continuing discussion of this vile, filthy hellacious pResidency and how soon we can hope to see a real President living in the White House.

[leesa]

113. The choices we make in life really bite us in the butt sometimes.

[robbedvoter]

114. Waaa! My 15 minutes of fame are over! And he sells it for more! Whaa!

I only make 100,000 of an interview, he makes 10,000,000? No fair!
The reality here is that the entire incident is pretty insignificant (except to Hillary). JFK had tens of Monicas and the press was happy to cover for him.
Times have changed and Clinton's peccadillo became a national crisis. He wanted closure on it - did express regrets.
She took the GOP way - as the aggrieved party. No responsibility, just accusations - well, it sells better.
As I said , in it of itself this is a petty story with petty plame to go around. But she has shown herself a twerp for not being able to accept hers and playing in the hands of her opressors - for money and attention.
to apnu
Why are we so affected about this? I can only speak for myself. We just witnessed the deification of Raygun.
And the best president in my life time gets endless replay of this sordid little act. THAT bothers me, and bothers me plenty.
Do see the Hunting of the President.
http://forclark.com/story/2004/6/24/225927/233

As for accusations of not cheering for Kerry loud enough...sorry, you can hate me too here. I promissed myself on Jan 6, 3001 that I will never vote for any of the senators who didn't co-sign the Florida 14 petition to cancell Florida's electoral votes. Breaking my promise is the the most I can squeeze.
Are ya gonna shoot me?

[nini]

117. She always claimed to be a willing partner.

so guess what happens when you play around with a married man? you get screwed in more ways than one.

I don't feel sorry for her, she knew what she was getting into and can't now decide it was more than what it was.


She needs some attention.. most publicity whores do need their fix every once in a while.

[Jim Sagle]

120. This thread ain't nuthin' but shit.

[daleo]

134. This Jack Ryan fellow seems to be free now

Perhaps an enterprising matchmaker might introduce Ms. Lewinsky to him.

[msanthrope]

135. I have no sympathy for her at all...

She comes across as a stalker, upset that President Clinton wasn't more complimentary to her in his book.

You play around with married men, you get burned. Only fools don't realize that.

[RetroLounge]

142. Poor Fucking Monica Lewinsky

Dumb slut should just go away...

Really destroyed her, I see. Not.

RL

[DubyaSux]

145. Sheesh...where am I?

I could go to any freeper site, exchange the names (Clinton vs. Lewinski) here, and they'd both be identical.

And you call yourselves progressives?

They are BOTH to blame, but one was the President of the United States with a wife and daughter in the house.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

146. So is publicity-whore calling him a rapist now?

WTF????

[swinney]

148. Monica Reputation? Read here

1.she had an affair(including bj) with married school teacher for five years. Remember she was 22 when gave Bill first bj.

2.Told friends she was taking her Knee Pads to White House..

3. Young lover said she liked kinky sex like being handcuffed to yell rape.

4. She sought sex not Bill.

5. She went to Pentagon where she got pregnant and had an abortion.

6. She was friend of Tripp. Get lower than that?

This was young, fat slut. Period. slut slut slut slut

[fortyfeetunder]

182. As many have said, personal accountability

Monica ain't playing with a full deck. What in the hell did she expect for kissing and telling?

Yes, Clinton was certainly accountable for his actions. But I don't think he was telling anyone he was messing around with Monica.

I personally believe Monica was in this for some perceived personal gain, (like I got a trophy -- gifts from the President,) and it backfired on her big time. It didn't help Monica's cause to tell anyone, especially Linda Tripp.

And one more thing Monica, if you are reading this -- how in the hell can you counsel anyone on what to put in their mouths for weight loss (as a Jenny Craig spokesperson) when you exercised poor judgment on what you put in your mouth?

[Tippy]

151. This woman has no shame....n/t

[Francine Frensky]

152. Rove is delighted to see so many respond to this thread

This is a headline in the mainstream news today.

Every interview clinton gives, every book review, every historian, will have to mention the lewinsky matter, which is exactly what the republicans and karl rove want. Who cares who was right, if she was a plant, what matters is the republicans have successfully made this the first thing, the headline, for everything clinton does from here on out.

Eight years of a success, and he will be remembered by the public for the affair. No $10 bills for him, no streets named after him, which is rove's whole plan.

This is part of the election plan as well, to make Clinton into a liability again by reminding everyone of lewinsky.

[okieinpain]

157. what cracks me up about her, and the others. they don't really

seem to be really disgusted with him. just mad that he doesn't say that he loves them.

[cmkramer]

161. The other women

What gets me are the ones like Gennifer Flowers and Dolly Kyle Browning who claim to be happily married and successful in their chosen professions yet they're still wasting their time worrying about what Clinton says about them. Geez, get over it already. God only knows what kind of men they're married to.

The other thing, too, is that when Clinton asked her if she had told anyone, she lied to him and told him that she hadn't.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

159. Hasn't she grown up yet?

She was a legal adult when she decided to play with fire; and she should have been prepared to deal with getting burned. She knew exactly what she was doing then. She knows exactly what she's doing now: using the situation to bring more notoriety to herself.

[mountainvue]

167. Before she was

naive. Now, she just needs to shut up.

[SemperEadem]

172. Lewinski destroyed her own life

She was an adult who wanted to play grown-up games. At any point in time, she could have called it off and walked away, but she didn't. In fact, she chose to adopt a predatory mindset with regards to "earning her presidential kneepads" or with pursuing affairs with married men. At no point in time does it seem that she has ever given one moment of consideration to the destruction of the lives of the wives of the husbands she's gone after.

She was able to pull down $100k for interviews on her blowing Bill; she was able to go into business for herself and design handbags based upon the fact that she blew Bill; she endorsed Jenny Craig based on the fact that she blew Bill. She forced herself onto the American psyche is the most unpalatable way, and now, she wants to whine and cry that Bill didn't hold her in higher regard? She really must be mad.

Therefore, she must suffer the consequences of her actions and choices. Clinton has addressed his consequences, and rather publicly at that.

I'm quite sure that somewhere in her life, her parents instructed her on the inadvisability to carry on an affair with a married man. There is no way she can claim she didn't know he was married. She undertook this folly and therefore, must pay for it. If she had a better grasp of responsibility, none of this would have happened.

It takes two to tango. She is not stupid nor is she developmentally challenged. She is willful, spiteful and predatory when it comes to her taking what she wants, even if it's some other woman's husband.

IF she doesn't want her life destroyed, then she needs to stop engaging in destructive behavior. Seems simple to me.

[abelenkpe]

175. Please

Monica is a gold digging manipulative Ho. She is not a victim.

[GinaMaria]

180. I really didn't expect him to talk in detail about the relationship," she

said!

WTF?~!

Shouldn't he be saying that about her? Is she looney? I'm sure Clinton did not expect her to talk in detail about the relationship or save that blue dress.

[Raster]

181. let's move on folks... nothing really to see...

...Big Dawg wrote his book with his comments about the "incident," she got another 15 minutes and threw in hers.

We have bigger fish to fry, or should I say we have a bigger bush to burn...


Q: What do you call a boomerang that doesn't work?
A: Stick.

[DemBones DemBones]

183. Monica's life is destroyed? Is she homeless?

Is she starving? Is she suffering from a life-threatening disease?

No, she's just unhappy that her seduction of a married man didn't play out to a better end. She seems not to care that she started something that nearly brought down a democracy.

Monica needs to grow up and realize the world is not supposed to revolve around her.

[Carolab]

184. she's only a footnote

why does she make herself the center of it all? I would think if she had ANY dignity and some sense of her true place in history, she would shut up. She is only putting fuel back on a fire that should have died out. For god's sake, does she think she is the ONLY chick who had sex with a married president?

[Piperay]

185. Monica just go away

and quit playing into the RW repugs hands, no one else is interested in what you have to say. :mad:

[Andromeda]

186. Out of context...

What got ME about thw Clinton interview on Tuesday on the UK's BBC was when asked about John Kerry's 2004 chances he said:
"John Kerry would be quite good as a President". Five minutes later he said Hillary "would make an excellent President".

QED.........

I was watching Larry King and Bill Clinton DID NOT say it like that. He said that Kerry would be a good president because he's tempermentally suited for the office and he's not afraid to stand up to the Republicans.

He then added that if Kerry loses in 2004, Hillary could run in 2008 if she decided to do so and she would make an excellenct president. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Jen72]

188. LOL

I saw that interview. How is she ruined?
Monica Lewinsky has made a fortunte out of this story and continues too everytime she rears her fat head.
Bill Clinton may have misbehaved but it was Monica that kept the dress and made an indiscretion into the story that nearly brought down thw President. Monica Lewinsky has distroyed herself.

[DivinBreuvage]

189. A lot of vicious, hysterical vituperation worthy of Free Republic here

We all know that Conservatives blindly circle the wagons when one of their darlings receives anything less than the most fawning and servile praise, but look at how many here are doing exactly the same thing now that the subject is Bill Clinton.

As a president and a human being Clinton is infinitely superior to Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and the current drunken (and possibly soon-to-be-indicted) disaster; but he's not sacrosanct, for God's sake. He's a brilliant man and he has some prominent flaws. The same can be said of Lincoln, Jefferson, Washington, Joan of Arc, and certainly of one of my own personal heroes, John Brown. A mature adult, however, is able to reconcile the fact that even a good and great person can have significant blemishes that do not outshadow the person's overall positives.

But perhaps most of the posters on this thread are children. How else can one account for the ridiculous but oft-repeated assertion here that someone just out of her teens is supposed to be able to make life choices from the same pool of wisdom and experience as someone in his fifties? I've been 21, and looking back on that age now from my mid-thirties I know I was much more silly and immature then than I am now, and I also know I'll be more wise and mature in my mid-fifties than I am now. You too will mature as you age, hopefully.

Of course Monica made a bad and wrong choice, and of course she shares some of the blame. Quite frankly, as an overweight girl with issues myself, if I had been in her position at that age I probably would have done the same thing. Fine, I'm a fat slut and a right-wing plant, whatever. But why do some of you have such a problem admitting that Bill just can't keep his cock in his pants, and that as a middle-aged married father he should know better? It is a genuine failing of his, but despite what some hypocrites on the right pretend to believe it doesn't invalidate his presidency. Why then is it so hard for some of you to admit it? I ask this question not flippantly or rhetorically, but seriously: why is is so hard for you to admit that?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

190. The point is, Clinton's admitted his failing...

Monica can't seem to acknowledge her share.

As a young woman just out of my teens 25 years ago, I had flings with a couple of men who were much older than me. When they ended, they were simply over...I didn't feel "ruined", and I didn't blab and blubber about it to any of my friends. For that matter, I never went into the relationships thinking they'd be anything but temporary.

In the interview with Rather, Clinton was open about his mistake, and honest about going into counseling to try to save his marriage.

All Monica has done is whine about it. She ought to get some counseling herself.

[DivinBreuvage]

193. I agree Monica probably needs some help and also needs to move on, BUT

I still don't think that justifies the level of nastiness and viciousness against her which so many people here have indulged in. I also think it's ridiculous that BC is absolved by them of any blame whatsoever. And even his admission of failure and search for counselling is worthless if he either hasn't changed his behavior or hasn't come to some kind of a mutually acceptable "arrangement" with Hillary. It's nobody's business if he has or hasn't, or course, I'm just saying that the admission on its own is really meaningless.

That being said, none of the nonsense with Monica was an impeachable offense, none of it was relevant to his presidency, and none of it was really anybody's business. I just think Monica deserves a bit more understanding and compassion than she's gotten from some of the people here, and, I'm serious, I think the rabidity of their hatred is unsettlingly freeperish.

It's very good that you were so mature and level-headed coming out of your teens, and I mean that sincerely. But there are a hell of a lot of kids who aren't, and your excellent example can't really be used as a yardstick for them (not that I think you were suggesting that).

[Carolab]

191. Why is it so hard for you

to admit that Bush has a problem keeping his religion and his mental illness out of our government?

What's worse--Clinton fools around with a dumb intern or Bush fucks up the world?

[DivinBreuvage]

192. Is this a sample of what passes for logic in your school, Carolab?

Your retort is completely irrelevant. If you would have asked, you would have found that I have no problem at all admitting that Bush's religious fixations are just one of the many serious, scary problems with having him as "president". Nor do I have any problem admitting that, whatever pain the affair with Monica may have caused to Monica, Hillary, Chelsea, or anybody else, that it is completely irrelevant to BC's performance as president and bears no comparison whatsoever to any of the seriously, genuinely evil acts for which George Bush and so many of the other members of his cabinet bear the responsibility.

But you didn't ask. You are so emotionally overwrought over this issue that you're not thinking rationally and are falling back on spewing accusatory nonsense. Next you'll ask me "Why do you hate America, Freedomfrog? Why do you want the terrorists to win?"

You prove my point, which is that some people here get so worked up by the insinuation that BC isn't perfectly pure and spotless that, instead of admitting that he's actually human, they start acting like Freepers.

By the way, did you miss these sentences of mine:

As a president and a human being Clinton is infinitely superior to Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and the current drunken (and possibly soon-to-be-indicted) disaster

(Sexual infidelity) is a genuine failing of his, but despite what some hypocrites on the right pretend to believe it doesn't invalidate his presidency

[Jen72]

200. Many 21 year olds, get married and having children,,,,,,

And those are not are sexually active. 21 is young but I don't see Monica Lewinsky as a shy, naive young girl with no idea what she was doing. She knew enough to keep the dress.
I am not saying that Bill Clinton wasn't wrong, he was had a moment of crass stupidity. It was sexual act between two adults and both have responsibilty for it. If Monica does not wish for reputation to be continually tarnish, she could say no to the many interviews she has given. She is not 21 anymore and clearly understands who and when to use the media, for her agenda.

[Edmond Dantes]

195. This thread is a waste of time. Let it die. Thanks.

[swinney]

197. The Gals are acoming be ready

Right Wing Machine on move

Here comes--Gennifer Flowers the Blackmailing Whore per James Retter in book "Anatomy of a scandal".

Here comes Paula Jones--trailer park trash apt description--2:30 pm meet with Governor who was there for breakfast speech.

Here comes Dolly Kyle Browning--even rt wingnuts did not accept her junk

Here comes Kathleen Willey--she has remarried so may not appear.
OIC said she lied.

Here comes Juanita Broadass--Perjurer but ok with Starr.


Watch.Larry King has hard on for Gennifer and will have her on.
Is she destined to be his 17th wife?

[Tight_rope]

198. I can't believe this thread is still getting attention....just what Monica

wants...attention. Moving along...nothing to see here.

[swinney]

199. Slut what could be better for this history

1.5 years screwing and sucking married school teacher.From age 17.
2.told girl friend "I am taking my Kneepads to White House".
3.boy friend "she liked kinky sex like being handcuffed".
4.Pentagon job--pregnant-abortion
5. Flashed thongs to Bill. He am da man. Argentina selected him as man of year.
6.Tripp her pal.Enough said.

5 years slutting with married man.22 when willingly gave first bj

Call it what you like. Slut is best.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

201. Histrionic personality disorder w/ a touch of Borderline Features

Lewinsky is a pitful excuse for a human being. I guess she was forced to flash her thong underwear and flirt with the President? Hell, no.

She can't crash and burn quick enough.

JB

[Rebellious Republican]

202. And she hung on to a CUM stained dress for 6 months without

getting it cleaned because? Sentimental value, I think not, DNA value would be more like it. How come no one has ever questioned that, sorry but most people I know do clean their DIRTY laundry. Was she a set up to take Bill down, that would more likely explain holding on to the dress with DNA for so long, and she seems to be doing all right as a result of the damn thing. Having willing sex with an intern is far worse than trying force your wife to have sex in clubs. The rePUBES need to let this go, I think we will be seeing more sex scandals involving rePUBES comming if they don't.

[Entente]

203. I like everyne involved

I adore BC, I like Hilary. Both are very very smart and complex people.

But i also liked Monica. I think her as cute/adorable and real.


In my opinion all 3are excused/understood for doing what they are doing from their perspectives. I think Monica's words are fair and understandable and I think Bill Clinton needs to hear them, and I think he can handle them.


All 3 are humans actings in very humanlike manner.

[Rebellious Republican]

205. Yeah, whatever.........

"He says he was proud of the way that he defended the presidency, at my expense," she said.

"In the process he destroyed me, and that was the way he was going to have to do that, to get through impeachment," Lewinsky added.

How about the way she destroyed the presidency at his expense. Why did she hang on to a cum stained dress for six months? Do you think she would be a Jenny Craig spokesperson and have her own reality TV Show now if she were just a former intern at the WH? By the way when are you guys going to learn how to spell or least use the spell check feature over here at DU!

[number6]

204. LOL, LOL and LOL ...

'Destroyed' Lewinsky Speaks ..."ruff ruff ...."(bark)
:nopity::nopity::nopity::nopity:

[John_H]

209. Monica may be one of the saddest cases in American history

She was the victim of her own arrested emotional development--like some fourteen-year-old she actually believed this "romance" with the married 52 year old president of the united states could somehow work.And now, for the rest of her life, every time she's in a room with more than two people someone will popint to her and whisper, "that's the woman that blew Bill Clinton."