FTW on Plame Case: GRAND JURY WILL SOON ISSUE EXPLOSIVE INDICTMENTS

[Dems Will Win]

GRAND JURY WILL SOON ISSUE EXPLOSIVE INDICTMENTS

by Wayne Madsen

June 25 , 2004


The ironies of this drama continue to proliferate. Here’s one: Nixon’s homegrown spy coven was called “The Plumbers,” because its primary responsibility was to stop leaks. But Dubya finds himself spending an hour and ten minutes in the hot seat (next to his personal lawyer) because his people created a leak – the felonious kind.

Dick Cheney is the President of the Senate, on whose hallowed floor he has just told Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) to “fuck off.” This regime is losing control of itself. The supra-governmental long-term plans that illegally drove them into office gave them a false sense of invulnerability. The money powers that make American presidencies had anointed Cheney and crew to run the country, so they could break as many rules, careers, laws, and heads as they chose – so long as they delivered the right number of barrels-per-day at the right price. They can’t. Having profligately wasted their political capital on torture, budgetary pork, and tax cuts, they have almost nothing left now that they’ve failed their sponsors.

In this latest report on the unfolding Plame investigation, Wayne Madsen shows what a long list of CIA people and projects have been compromised by the leak. John “Karl Rove” Doe and John “Dick Cheney” Doe seem to have no idea what kind of hibernating grizzly bear they’ve been jabbing at. They’ll find out now, because it just woke up. –JAH

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/062504_grand_jury_summary.html

[qwertyMike]

1. I don't want Bush to go down on ths shit

I want him to go down on the BIG SHIT

[0007]

5. What's bigger than treason?

Indeed I'd love to see junior tried at the Hague for war criminal charges.

[Whoa_Nelly]

134. Here are the rules for the Espionage 1917 Act and the IIP Act 1982

Espionage Act of 1917
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1344.html

Amendment to the Espionage Act
http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/comm/free_speech/espionageactof1917.html

Intelligence Information Protection Act of 1982
http://foi.missouri.edu/bushinfopolicies/protection.html

The 1982 Act statute uses the word "treason", but will it apply to the Plame leak as treason? At the very least, the fines and imprisonments are very stiff.

Anyone here on DU that can read through the legalese and explain which parts of either/both of these acts applies and how? THX O8)

[Whoa_Nelly]

138. Can anyone answer the legal part of my above post?

:kick:

[Dems Will Win]

142. The Intelligence Identities Act will apply

Fitzgerald will also supposedly charge that Cheney and Bush violated their oaths. Don't really think that is treason but maybe in some cases it is.

Both Bush and Cheney would be liable for Section 1 and up to 10 year terms.

The Espionage Act you quote was rescinded several decades ago.

[Whoa_Nelly]

144. Thanks, DWW!

I appreciate your input. I wasn't sure about which statute was being called in to support the Plame case...now I know. O8)

[Fovea]

7. Al Capone

sent Upriver for tax evasion.

[nolabels]

71. * and BFEE is starting to make Al Capone look like a piker

http://www.geo.cornell.edu/geology/classes/Geo101/101images_fall.html

[Sweetpea]

114. Awesome pic

[Jackpine Radical]

9. I don't care if he goes down on Monica.

I just want him to go down.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

13. So, a felony conviction worth 10 years in the slammer is not big enough?

[TahitiNut]

41. Nope.

[Bake]

64. What's the penalty for treason?

Oh yeah. Now I remember. The death penalty, a la the Rosenbergs.

That would suffice. One of the few times I support the death penalty.

Bake

[TahitiNut]

66. I oppose the death "penalty."

I favor imprisonment for life for DimSon, Cheney, Rove, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Feith, Rice, Asscroft, and the rest.

Since they do not regard sleep deprivation, denuding, stress positions, phobia assaults, and the like to be either 'torture' or 'cruel and unusual' ... I'm in favor of this treatment 6 out of every 7 days for the rest of their lives, all on a permanent "reality TV" channel where their many, many offenses are described in great detail as they are given the very same treatment they've promulgated for thousands of others.

[DBoon]

117. I'd favor a fate worse than that

Make them spend the rest fo their lives at a low-wage slave labor job, like Walmart.

Make them live the life they made for so many Americans.

[Just Me]

123. Ewwwww,...me, too!!! That would be a humiliation worse than death!!

And when their minds and bodies started falling apart,...they would discover how yet another 44+ million Americans had to live without health insurance.

[koopie57]

141. maybe we can compromise

by telling him he is on death row and let him grovel for his life like others have done before him, but never really kill him AND then add all those other nontorture types of treatment added to the mix.

[Thor_MN]

100. Imagine the irony - George "Death Sentance" Bush executed for his crimes

[playahata1]

104. No. It's George "THE TEX-ECUTIONER" Bush.

n/t

[Zhade]

107. Hang them in Texas - they still execute the criminally insane.

NT!

[sofa king]

109. "Treason" is narrowly defined and probably not applicable.

However, Our Fearless Leader still has a chair ride on the table for violating the War Crimes Act of 1996.

http://resource.lawlinks.com/Content/Legal_Research/US_code/Title_18/title_18_118.htm

[Liberal Gramma]

72. Oh, yes, Oh, please

I want to see Bush do 7-10 in a federal prison with a roommate who thinks he's cute.

[Dinger]

130. That made me chuckle.

Thanks Liberal Gramma, I needed that. We all did.

[benburch]

14. This is the big shit.

I would be happy to see him in prison threads over this one.

[gatlingforme]

89. You are right this is big doodoo. I can't wait to see the indictments

come out....

[abburdlen]

18. This is big shit

Even Bush 41 says outing an intelligence officer is "the most insidious treasons."

[Tom Kitten]

53. what's your fucking problem with this?

Possibly the biggest reason for taking him down...Possible FELONY charges?

But what do I know, I'm just another FAT ASSED American sitting in a rocker!

Hi Mods!:hi:

[Tellurian]

85. The First Step is to Remove Him and his ILK from Office..

Then let the games begin..

Have atem!

[Just Me]

128. I'm not sure what you mean by "removal", but I sincerely doubt,...

,...these people will voluntarily relinquish their governmental standing in a constitutional or democratic manner. They are viciously power-hungry and already deluded/manic by the power they do hold.

They must be removed ASAP,...and they are guilty of plenty enough crimes against this country and its people to be taken down NOW.

[Bucky]

87. It's all tied together. This is not an isolated charge

Plame wasn't just any CIA agent. She was working the Saudi oil funding terror beat. That directly ties her work to Bush's family doing business with the bin Ladins. When Scooter Libby (Cheney's chief of staff) outed Plame, he didn't just blow her personal cover; his leak knocked out the CIA's principal cover company in the field of middle eastern oil investigations. Every agent tied to that "consulting" firm has been revealed as an American intelligence officer. Every single source they had in Arab business and government is now also a spoiled asset.

This leak endangers American lives because those same field assets are how we might find out about preparations for the next terror attack on US soil, which we know Osama bin Laden is planning. I don't think the Bush administration is actively trying to make it for terrorists to kill us, but they sure are making it easier. If they really were secretly conspiring, their connections to the Taliban and the bin Ladens wouldn't be so easy to track. Of course the idiots do also happen to be in a great position to financially benefit from whatever chaos does arrise from their own incompetance. It's all pretty loathsome.

[yardwork]

95. This couldn't be any bigger. Treason

and murder (many of Valerie Plame's contacts probably "disappeared") and waste of money spent setting up an undercover operation (conservatives hate that) and even the irony that Plame was working on terrorism and WMD in Europe.

It's far worse than what Nixon was caught doing. It's getting up there with what we know Kissinger was doing (and BushCo is doing) and it opens the door to lots more revelations.

A White House that would treasonously expose an American undercover agent? What else might that WH do? What else indeed?

This could bring down the entire Bush Crime Family - Poppy too - in flames.

[Claire Beth]

106. This *IS* some BIG SHIT!!!! n/t

[Nlighten1]

2. It just got cornered.

Now is when they will be the most dangerous.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. I agree

I heard Cheney today 'justifying' his language, and he sounded like a trapped rat. We need to remain vigilant. They're bound to try something to distract the public.

[radfringe]

65. distraction? did someone say distraction?

The Terralert Score Card = 8 points

High probability of a terralert in the next few days:

poll numbers are down: 4 points
News Story unfavorable (Plame leak): 3 points
Holiday approaching (4th of July): 1 point

if the June 30th Iraq turnover explodes add another 2 points

my guess is a Terralert by Thursday -- in time to hit the weekend newscycles/Sunday talkinghead shows

[TahitiNut]

92. You forgot ...

.... DimSon out of "harm's way": 4 points

Just wait until he visits some school children in Istanbul. :nuke:

[bahrbearian]

19. Trapped RATS don't scare me !

Lydia Pooch
With a Norwegian Brown Rat

[DBoon]

118. Proof that dogs are by nature Democrats

n/t

[aquart]

3. I'll believe it when it's from another source.

[Dems Will Win]

6. There's this from John Dean on Bush lawyering up:

On this subject, I spoke with an experienced former federal prosecutor who works in Washington, specializing in white collar criminal defense (but who does not know Sharp). That attorney told me that he is baffled by Bush's move - unless Bush has knowledge of the leak. "It would not seem that the President needs to consult personal counsel, thereby preserving the attorney-client privilege, if he has no knowledge about the leak," he told me.

What advice might Bush get from a private defense counsel? The lawyer I consulted opined that, "If he does have knowledge about the leak and does not plan to disclose it, the only good legaladvice would be to take the Fifth, rather than lie. The political fallout is a separate issue."

I raised the issue of whether the President might be able to invoke executive privilege as to this information. But the attorney I consulted - who is well versed in this area of law -- opined that "Neither 'outing' Plame, nor covering for the perpetrators would seem to fall within the scope of any executive privilege that I am aware of."

-snip-

Suffice it to say that whatever the meaning of Bush's decision to talk with private counsel about the Valerie Plame leak, the matter has taken a more ominous turn with Bush's action. It has only become more portentous because now Dick Cheney has also hired a lawyer for himself, suggesting both men may have known more than they let on. Clearly, the investigation is heading toward a culmination of some sort. And it should be interesting.


http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20040604.html

[Media_Lies_Daily]

23. Additionally, there is the matter of Ted Olson resigning...

...as Solicitor General almost immediately after the recent SCOTUS ruling remanding the Cheney energy minutes case to a lower level court for a decision.

Why Olson chose now to resign is a puzzle to me unless Olson is thinking that his personal testimony on what he knows about the Plame case (and several others) will be harder to get if he is a private citizen instead of a government employee.

FratBoy will now be represented from here on out by his outside counsel.

[Dover]

37. I wish Ruppert would have commented on the Olson resignation.

Haven't figured out the real significance of that yet.

[0007]

102. Aha! the tea leaf is in one piece which may be an easy read.

So Olson knew something and can't hang around. That's like losing your queen.

[louis-t]

133. Remeber what Rushie says

"a sitting president who hires a private attorney has something to hide". Findlaw is a great site.

[GOPGoindown]

10. A credible source such as

Josh Marshall perhaps?

[Minstrel Boy]

20. Wayne Madsen is a credible, well-connected source. n/t

[hang a left]

47. Seriously what do you have against FTW?

Which of Mike Rupperts many many articles do you have a problem with?

[number6]

8. the abominable smirk-boy is goin down !!!!!

nuff said

[Hanover_Fist]

11. Burn baby burn

I'm 39 years old, just old enough to remember the late 60s & early 70's. When I read this that phrase popped into my brain, hopefully apropos to the moment. Cross your fingers.............

[jokerman93]

153. Or to update the sentiment ala "Shock and Awe" 2003..

"Burn Mother F**ker Burn!"

[Raster]

12. Every citizen of this country should be pissed as hell...

...about the Plame outing. This was an act of treason in the highest. And to make matters worse, Plame's assignment was finding info and links to weapons of mass destruction aimed towards the United States by terrorist groups. The Plame outing has made all of us less safe. The outing of Plame was a viscious, vindictive, selfish act.

[Dems Will Win]

16. Al Martin said 70 people, Plame's contacts, were killed after the leak

[Raster]

29. OMG, there's nothing to say to that. Nothing.

No matter what your political affiliation, party or beliefs, we all took it in the shorts with the Plame outing.

[Beaker]

79. well there is ONE thing to say...

Al Martin isn't the most reliable source...

[bear425]

43. The problem is...

Most people ask: Plame who? when I bring up the subject! Our job, at least my personal goal, is to inform as many people as I can about this.

[pinniped]

15. Look for something big to happen on the day indictments...

are ever issued. Nothing can touch teflon POS * and his cronies.

Take cover.

[asjr]

17. Dare we hope?

This WH crew has been so thoroughly coated with Teflon for almost four years, and nothing has touched them yet. Even the SCOTUS has been propping them up. I would love to see all of them in handcuffs and marched to jail. There has been collective corruptness since 2000 and they have ruined our country. I have never seen anything like it. Even Nixon looks good in light of what we have put up with in the last four years.

[warrior1]

21. Is there any where

I can get the whole article?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

22. The CIA "woke up" the day that Valerie Plame and her global network...

...was compromised almost a year ago by NeoCon journalist, Robert Novak, on July 14, 2003. Following an in-house investigation, Tenet and the CIA formally requested that the DOJ start an investigation and to appoint a Special Prosecutor. Following Ashcroft's recusal from the case, Patrick J. Fitzgerald was appointed as Special Prosecutor on December 31, 2003.

The pot's been boiling for almost a year...where has Madsen been?

[rabbit2484]

24. Why did Novak let it fly?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

31. The NeoCons located in the White House wanted revenge on Joe...

...Wilson for his reluctance to report the "Niger uranium" story they way they wanted it reported.

Wilson basically told the White House there was nothing to the story, and then repeated that story to the press, which embarrassed FratBoy and his loyal NeoCon minions.

Novak, and about five other journalists, were given the information about Plame and her network. Novak was the first to report the story...the other five were apparently reluctant to do so.

[SilasSoule]

62. More like six journalist were cold called with a sales pitch

to commit treason. Only Novak bought it.

[beyurslf]

84. Novak didn't commit treason. A reprehnsible act yes.

An immoral act yes. But the law clearly exempts to journalist from the act of treason when reporting this. The person who told Novak committed the crime.

[Just Me]

129. Bullshit (sorry)!!! He acted as "mouthpiece", making him a conspirator.

Journalists don't publish anything without confirmation. He was a freakin' whore and conspirator. He didn't seek any independent confirmation. He SOLD OUT!!! He as guilty of treason as anyone!!! He cannot hide behind "journalism" since he has wretchedly dirty hands, failing to abide by the rules and ethics of reporting to the American people.

THERE ARE LIMITS!!!

Novak exceeded them by participating in an orchestrated betrayal of the American people and national security!!!!

[gatlingforme]

91. Novac spews hatred to anyone that will listen. He would support

a baboon if it was Republican, Ooops he already is.

[Rose Siding]

58. They wanted to discredit Wilson by making it look like...

he only got the Nigeria job because his wife worked at the CIA- A charge of nepotism by the most inbred of aministations.

[Guaranteed]

67. That's actually the misinterpreted instructions

that Novak thought he got...

They weren't going after any kind of nepotism. What they were trying to do was discredit Wilson as a partisan...and they were going to do that by showing that he had CIA connections, and that he requested specifically to go to Nigeria. They were trying to show that the guy had ulterior motives before even making the trip.

Novak didn't get what Scooter was telling him, though. He totally missed the point, and wrote about some stupid nepotism charge.

[warrior1]

69. I'm not sure about that

wasn't there others that were told but kept their mouths shut?

Novak should go down for this too, if not by the law, then by other means. Like his ass should be fired and he should be shamed by his aiding and abetting this admin in one of the worst things you can do, commit treason.

[johnfunk]

86. Where has Madsen been? Simple...

... he's been sitting on details that, had they made their way into even the alternative press, would have harmed the Special Prosecutor and Grand Jury investigation.

Timing IS everything.

BTW, I'm taking Al Martin's rather high body count with a grain of salt, but suffice it to say that even one dead asset -- especially tied to a NOC trying to gather information on WMDs and the energy market -- could well propel this treasonous crime to the top of the headlines and guarantee death sentences, never mind the most high-visibility frog-marches since the Rosenbergs.

[peacetalksforall]

25. I would like to see Cheney, Libbry, and Rove go in this round leaving

Resident Deficit with Card and Hughes trying to manage him and let him go down for the prisons and the killings along with Rumsfeld, Wolkfowitz and P-NACers. Let's have several rounds and cover a wider range of their crimes. It they all go down for the Plame leak, it will wipe out the horror and felonies of the killing and lies and corporate-military corruption. I also want to see CPN (Corporate Propaganda Networks) have to report it in agonizing reluctant pain.

[hlthe2b]

26. So, does anyone subscribe to FTW? Can you give the gist

of the rest of the article?

[nannah]

32. story broadens scope of offense

according to article fitzgerald has broadened the scope of both th investigation and the offenses committed. Fitzgerald has included as exposed, all the many operatives, contacts, and businesses that composed the network of influence and purpose of valerie plame. Fitzgerald is also increasing the level of offence due to the security clearances (implied trust of nation via sworn alliegences) of suspects.

that is the gist of the article as i understand it. The article also included speculation as to the meaning of the 70 minute "discussion" with * and jim sharp, his private attorney.

[hlthe2b]

38. thanks!

[BalladOfDwightFry]

27. From the wilderness?

How reliable are these people? Is this a sure thing?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

33. Very reliable...rarely wrong.

[Must_B_Free]

108. What about two weeks ago - colin powell resignation prediction

[anarchy1999]

63. Go to his site and read his credentials, he's been a whistle blower for

a long time, actually due to personal heartbreak (IMHO). His fiance was CIA and tried to get him involved in some drug deals/and or recruit him into the CIA, he was with the LAPD if memory serves me correctly.

www.copvcia.com (mirror site)

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/about.html
WHO IS MICHAEL C. RUPPERT?

"This is the man who cost CIA Director Deutch his guaranteed appointment as Secretary of Defense after confronting him at Locke High School with hard facts about CIA dealing drugs." - Dick Gregory

" ...in the course of investigations in the mid 70's he came across information that the CIA was trading drugs in order to fund covert operations in the Middle East...Perot called him back to offer encouragement...Ruppert says that his main objective is to see that the country gets a leader worthy of its people. Even for Ross Perot those will be tough shoes to fill." - PEOPLE MAGAZINE 6/22/92

FTW's stories, which have expanded to include economic and military analysis, detailed exposés of the CIA and the American political and economic system, have been reprinted all over the world. A popular lecturer who has spoken in seven countries Mike’s new book, Truth and Lies of 9/11: America’s Descent into Fascism at the End of the Age of Oil will be available in late 2004.

FTW has had a standing offer of $1,000 for anyone who could show that any of the entries in FTW's "Oh Lucy" timeline were either not authentic or had been quoted inaccurately. The full legally binding offer is in writing at the end of FTW's video "The Truth and Lies of 9-11". That offer will expire one (1) year from the date the lecture was given, which was Nov. 28, 2001. This statement supercedes any other previous statements on this website concerning this offer.


http://www.fromthewilderness.com/about.html

There is lots and lots of information to read through and takes time. Read up and then you decide. Madsen is every much as credible as well.

[Danmack]

28. Sad thing is that the perp will never see the inside of a jail cell.....

cause chimpy will pardon the SOB(s) as soon as they get convicted.

Christ, they got republican pardoned crooked fucks working in the wh as we write this stuff.

All we can hope for is for the trial to take place after chimpy gets the boot in Jan 2005. If it happens before, PARDON CITY.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

34. FratBoy might be on the list. Why else would he have retained a lawyer?

[Timefortruth]

98. Shoot, he won't wait for a conviction.

He'll pardon them as soon as they are indicted.

[Art_from_Ark]

115. It would be Pardon City regardless

One does not have to be a CONVICTED crook to get a presidential pardon-- Just think of Ford pardoning Nixon, or bu$h Sr. pardoning Casper Weinberger

[Ugnmoose]

30. The first big domino is about to fall

AND THE WALLS CAME TUMBLIN DOWN!!!!!!

[Jack Rabbit]

35. Well, those of you with access to this . . .

. . . is the Frat Boy to be indicted? I hope, I hope.

There would be nothing wrong with that. Contrary to what Richard Nixon and his legal team argued thirty years ago, nothing in the Constitution prohibits the indictment of a sitting President (or someone who merely wields the power). The Constitution prohibits using the legal system to harrass sitting members of Congress for anything but a serious crime, but that's because the President is the head of the executive branch. The founding fathers weren't afraid of executive branch going after the chief executive.

[yardwork]

96. And (heh heh) the Republicans in Congress made it easier

to go after a sitting president, when they wanted to take out Clinton. Congress erased a bunch of protections for presidents. Now (lol) those laws can be used to go after Chimpy.

[rawstory]

36. Is this a legit site?

I'm not at all convinced by this...

[RedEarth]

40. There are a lot of people that question the reliability of this site....

From my standpoint, I'm not that familiar with it. Frankly, as much as I would like to believe it, I would like to see other sites pick up some of the same information.

[seemslikeadream]

42. They will

Madsen is published at CounterPunch. I bet it will be there within 24 hours.

[TahitiNut]

39. Tenet's and Olson's 10th hour resignations make more sense ...

... if either Smirky or Cheney are indicted as the Plame leakers. Just suppose Tenet had the goods on one of them. Let's suppose Olson had no other escape but to corroborate Tenet's evidence. The CIA isn't a domestic law enforcement organization - it needed a DoJ-sponsored investigation. At the same time, it'd be impossible for the Solicitor General to continue to represent the Executive Branch's position if he were a material witness in such a felony prosecution against DimSon or Cheney.

Just speculating. :shrug:

[Eloriel]

46. Plus, he'd need his own lawyer

Big :-) here at the thought. I want to see Bush&Co. routed, thoroughly, but I especially want this little piece of treason prosecuted to the max.

[seemslikeadream]

49. more from the link

The special prosecutor has been focusing on Bush, Cheney, presidential counselor Karl Rove, Cheney's chief of staff Lewis I. ("Scooter") Libby, Cheney assistants David Wurmser and John Hannah, and National Security Council officials Elliott Abrams and Stephen Hadley.



Recently, CIA Director George Tenet and Plame's ultimate boss, Deputy Director of Operations James Pavitt, suddenly resigned within hours of one another. Intelligence sources have said the two have been cooperating with Fitzgerald's investigation of the Plame/Brewster-Jennings leak and the damage to U.S. clandestine operations which globally track the flow of WMDs.



Sensitive CIA operations that were compromised by the leak included companies, government officials, and individuals associated with the nuclear smuggling network of Pakistan's chief nuclear scientist Abdul Qadeer Khan. In addition, the identities of U.S. national and foreign agents working within the headquarters of the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, North Korea's nuclear laboratory in Yongbyon, Pakistan's Kahuta uranium enrichment plant, banks and export companies in Dubai, Islamabad, Moscow, Cape Town, Tel Aviv, Liechtenstein, Cyprus, and Kiev, and Kuala Lumpur, and government agencies in Libya, Pakistan, Malaysia, and Iran were severely compromised. The CIA has reportedly given Fitzgerald highly classified details on the damage done to the CIA's WMD tracking network.



According to Department of Justice insiders, the length of Fitzgerald's 70 minute interview of Bush was significant. Only one other prosecutor's interview of a sitting president lasted as long, that of Iran-contra prosecutor Lawrence Walsh's questioning of the late Ronald Reagan. However, in that case, Walsh concluded after the interview that Reagan actually did not know what had transpired in his administration with respect to the scandal. Today’s officials may not be so fortunate.

[leftchick]

68. focusing in on a veritable who's who of the PNAC...

<The special prosecutor has been focusing on Bush, Cheney, presidential counselor Karl Rove, Cheney's chief of staff Lewis I. ("Scooter") Libby, Cheney assistants David Wurmser and John Hannah, and National Security Council officials Elliott Abrams and Stephen Hadley.>

... Why am I not surprised? I hope everyone of these evil fucks pay. Especially the behind the scenes architects of the agenda like wurmser and his psychotic wife too.

[johnfunk]

88. They should change the PNAC acronym...

... to PNAT, seeing as they are the Project for Neoconservative Activism and Treason.

[PassingFair]

140. I still advocate for the acronym P-NIS

Project for a New Imperialist Society

[Devils Advocate NZ]

90. Perhaps that is why Libya suddenly "saw the light"?

Libya had clandestine WMD production programs running. Suddenly a CIA agent is named who was working on WMD. Libya checks out the possibility of any links between her and Libyan WMD workers, and finds that it was thoroughly penetrated.

So what does Libya do? Just carry on like nothing happened, even though they know the US knows everything?

Or "fess up" hand everything over (at least everything they know the US knows about) and then reconstitute the program with uncompromised people and facilities?

I am basing this post on this part of that article:

"Sensitive CIA operations that were compromised by the leak included ... the identities of U.S. national and foreign agents working within ... government agencies in Libya"

[TacticalPeek]

44. This was previewed in an earlier post by lancdem.

lancdem (1000+ posts)
My source says Bush is in trouble in Plamegate


I've been emailing investigative reporter Wayne Madsen about the Plame investigation for the past week or so; yesterday I asked him if there was significance to Bush being interviewed for 70 minutes. First he said no.

But this morning, I received this email from him:

"I spoke to a DOJ insider last night -- contrary to what I thought, he said the 70 min interview was very significant. Only one other lasted that long, Judge Walsh's interview of Reagan in Iran-contra -- going in Walsh thought Reagan was indictable but afterwards he realized he really didn't know what was going on. Bush, however, does know what's going on."

I replied by asking what culpability Bush has and whether indictments will be delayed until he gets back from Europe. Here's what he said:

"I think there will be 2 sets of indictments -- some for releasing the name of Plame and others for lying to investigators. Bush is a problem, that is usually handled by impeachment. I think we''ll see indictments before the end of this month."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1855832


-------------------------

I think there's something here. I further think that the press bosses are telling their troops to keep their powder dry for now. When you strike the king - well . . .

David Gregory said on MSNBC this am that 'now' the investigators are looking at who might have lied to them. That supports this "2 sets of indictments" idea. Cheney melting down sorta supports this too, for those of us with zany imaginations.

:evilgrin:

[hang a left]

45. I can't friggin wait.

I swear, I will take anything at this point.

[The Commie]

54. Same here

But I would love to see * behind bars.

[seemslikeadream]

48. Here's some more of the article

Dick Cheney is the President of the Senate, on whose hallowed floor he has just told Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT) to “fuck off.” This regime is losing control of itself. The supra-governmental long-term plans that illegally drove them into office gave them a false sense of invulnerability. The money powers that make American presidencies had anointed Cheney and crew to run the country, so they could break as many rules, careers, laws, and heads as they chose – so long as they delivered the right number of barrels-per-day at the right price. They can’t. Having profligately wasted their political capital on torture, budgetary pork, and tax cuts, they have almost nothing left now that they’ve failed their sponsors.




June 25, 2004 1600 PDT (FTW – Washington, DC. Well-placed U.S. government sources have revealed that the secret grand jury, led by special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, will soon issue explosive indictments in the criminal investigation of who leaked the name of Valerie E. Plame, a CIA clandestine agent and wife of former U.S. Ambassador Joe Wilson, to members of the media. On June 24, special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald interviewed President Bush at the White House for 70 minutes, an indication that Fitzgerald's investigation is nearing completion and that indictments may be imminent. Bush was seated with his recently-hired criminal defense attorney, Jim Sharp, during the interview.



U.S. intelligence sources have also said that Fitzgerald's investigation has gone far beyond the mere leaking of Plame's name, itself a violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, but has expanded to look into the exposure of Plame's colleagues who worked under the cover of a CIA firm called Brewster, Jennings & Associates. The "brass plate" CIA proprietary had offices in Boston and Washington, DC. Active since 1994, Brewster-Jennings was instrumental in tracking the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) and had agents or correspondents in a number of countries including Iraq, North Korea, Belarus, Russia, South Africa, Iran, Israel, China, Pakistan, Congo (Kinshasa), India, Taiwan, Libya, Syria, Serbia, and Malaysia. By releasing Valerie Plame’s name, other agents' non-official covers were blown and the lives of U.S. operatives within foreign governments and businesses may have been placed in danger. Therefore, Fitzgerald's investigation has reportedly been expanded to include the issue of whether members of the staffs of President Bush and Vice President Cheney, Cheney and Bush themselves, the National Security Council, and the Departments of Defense and State, may have violated more serious espionage laws.

[demgrrrll]

50. When you look at this whole scenario you can't help but wonder

what the hell were they thinking. Do you think it is possible that they did not know the nature of her CIA operation focus? What kind of thought process would ever think that this was going to work out in their favor or that it was worth it to get even with Wilson.
This move was one of many exceeding stupid plays based on hubris, arrogance and juvenile school yard bully actions. Whoever was involved in this mess needs to feel some very scorching heat.

[seemslikeadream]

51. This was treason

plain and simple.

[Walt Starr]

52. They didn't give a shit

My opinion is the Bush himself directed the leak, demanding it of Cheney and Rove who passed it on down the line.

They just plain didn't give a shit they fucked off, and now they've fucked themselves.

:evilgrin:

[Kool Kitty]

55. You know what they were thinking?

They were thinking of all the shit that they have gotten away with so far and they figured this would fly, too. This was meant to intimidate anyone that would dare question or oppose them. And this time, they just went too far and underestimated their opponent. Bless Joe Wilson for not letting this pass, and David Corn of "The Nation" who really helped blast it wide open. And I think it would be poetic justice if Robert Novak, that tireless right-wing asskisser, was the instrument that helped bring this administration down.
They were dealing with a man that wouldn't be intimidated, and wasn't intimidated. I've had the feeling that their collective arrogance would be their own undoing. And it looks like it just may be.

[leftchick]

70. you got it KK... and there is a word for this ...

(not that you would not know :) ) I think of it daily when I look at the idiotface* smirk into the camera....

Hubris, the excessive pride or arrogance of an individual..... I too am hoping it will be the bush* cabal's undoing.

[Kool Kitty]

116. That's it. That's the very word.

HUBRIS. :7

[Jack Rabbit]

56. What they should have been thinking

They should have been thinking that they're not as smart as they think they are.

[He loved Big Brother]

59. And as a result

they believe we're as stupid as they are.

[SoDesuKa]

60. Bush Not Humble

But that would require some humility . . . a quality Bush lacks.

[Geo55]

57. In the name of all that is good...

Please! let this become reality....
THERE'S NO SPINNING THEIR WAY OUT OF THIS !!!

LOOK IN THE REARVIEW MIRROR , CRASHCART !!

[BadGimp]

61. no one sells scandal like WTF :-)

"John “Karl Rove” Doe and John “Dick Cheney” Doe seem to have no idea what kind of hibernating grizzly bear they’ve been jabbing at. They’ll find out now, because it just woke up."


Now that's copy that sells..

[jmcgowanjm]

73. "Mr. President, do you intend to resign?"

Chicago federal grand jury indicts George W. Bush in CIA leak case.

http://cloakanddagger.ca/

Sherman Skolnick's site.

A good reason to spread carriers around the globe-
Imperial Capital regime change

Don't want anybody to get any ideas-
like China takin' back it's province.

[Dems Will Win]

74. This means President Powell you know.

Now how would Kerry/whoever beat Powell/McCain?????????

We had Bush and Cheney beat--if they resign we could lose.

I know this sounds strange but

PRAY FOR BUSH (Cheney can go) BUT PRAY FOR BUSH.

Powell may not even give them pardons because it was treason.

Don't forget Powell signed the authorization that started the whole thing. Once Bush and Cheney are announced as unindicted co-conspirators, they will resign in a couple to a few weeks, faster than the 6-week Nixon resignation after the Smoking Gun tape was discovered in June. The prosecutor was supposedly overheard asking "Mr. President, do you intend to resign?"

FIRST CHENEY RESIGNS AND POWELL IS VP, THEN A COUPLE OF WEEKS LATER BUSH RESIGNS, AND POWELL ASCENDS. THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT POWELL SAYS AS SUDDENLY HE HAS ALL THE POWER AND THEY HAVE ZERO

POWELL WOULD BE NOMINATED AND THEN BE A NEW FACE IN SEPTEMBER (VERY HARD TO BEAT A NEW FACE) AS WELL AS A REAL HERO FOR GETTING BUSH OUT! KERRY COULD LOSE BY 10 OR MORE POINTS AS AFRICAN-AMERICANS TURN OUT IN DROVES TO ELECT THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT, HAVING FELT TAKEN FOR GRANTED BY THE DEMOCRATS.

Sorry to rain on the parade, but if Bush is out it looks like Powell is in. The only thing that could save us then would be his wife Alma but I have the feeling he will tell her he has to do it to save the party and the country.

Anybody have any ideas on how to defeat an incumbent President Powell????

[warrior1]

75. I doubt that

And powell would be beatable. He has got tons of skelton's. Plus the stain of bush.

[Dems Will Win]

76. I hope you're right. but I'm still worried about it.

Do you think it would be Powell?

What are his skeletons? My Lai, Depleted Uranium, What? His connection with Bush, yes--but he just overthrew him.

He could say he opposed the neocons from the inside and everything will be different.

Don't forget he would already be the first black President and the media will go wild at the Repub convention about how Abraham Lincoln would be pleased as punch that America has a black President.

Then the black voters would vote to throw out the first black President after 2 months in office? I unfortunately don't think so.

[warrior1]

77. I should clairfy

bush can't admit his lies or being wrong. They are in it to the end. No one will asks him to step down (gop). They've made every bad mistake, and yet will not admit their mistakes. I say good, stay in. You will lose.

Yes, Powell in Vietnam. I'm not sure of the others, but that he's has back push 100 percent. Who's to say he would except that nod. And the gop wouldn't stand for a black man as pres. They would lose the white voters.

[jmcgowanjm]

80. Once the dam breaks, who knows what comes out

I'm looking at the july 22, 1974 edition
of Time.
"Though the WH insists that the impeachment inquiry
be limited to the Watergate break-in and
cover-up alone, the committee this week will produce ten
more volumes of information on other allegations against
Nixon."

Rep. Waxman's got a ton of impeachment material
against the entire apparatus of the Bush Regime.

And Powell is a main feature in F/911.

Thanx to William River Pitt for his essay on F/911.

Michael Moore has unleashed a wolf within Mr. Bush's
fences. There is no getting around it. Perhaps, now that it is
far too late, we as a nation will wake up. On the day of
that awakening, those of us who never stopped standing,
never stopped marching, learned to live without sleep, learned
to live in a nation that scorned truth for televised fantasy,
those patriots I was with tonight in that theater can pause
for breath. We can sit upon the grass on a bright day, strip
our sleeves, and show our scars.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/printer_0625041.shtml

[MetaTrope]

101. Powell's skeletons?

How about lying under oath in Iran-Contra? From the Independent Counsel's summary: "The notes demonstrated that Weinberger's early testimonythat he had only vague and generalized information about Iran arms sales in 1985was false, and that he in fact had detailed information on the proposed arms sales and the actual deliveries. The notes also revealed that Gen. Colin Powell, Weinberger's senior military aide, and Richard L. Armitage, assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs, also had detailed knowledge of the 1985 shipments from Israeli stocks. Armitage and Powell had testified that they did not learn of the November 1985 HAWK missile shipment until 1986."

[oasis]

145. Many would vote against Powell for fear he would pardon Bush.

[mbperrin]

81. If Cheney resigns, Powell does not advance. Think back

to Agnew resigning. Ford was appointed to serve from Congress. Only way Powell moves up is the simultaneous death/disability of Bush/Cheney.

[Renew Deal]

83. Or simultaneous resignation.

The president can appint a VP. I think that the senate has to approve him.

[yardwork]

97. Hastert is second in line to the presidency, by Constitutional mandate.

The Constitution outlines it: VP takes over for President. If VP can't serve, then the presidency goes to the Speaker of the House of Representatives. That is currently Dennis Hastert.

Of course, Tom DeLay could ask Hastert to switch places with him, and then it would be President DeLay. And don't think DeLay doesn't know that.

[jmowreader]

94. Easy. He's part of this administration

If Bush, Cheney et al resign, the American people will vote in November to remove the remains of this horrible administration. That means we could run Satan with Saddam Hussein as his running mate--don't tell me you didn't see the South Park movie--and still win.

[Zomby Woof]

127. Dennis Hastert is next in line after VP

Resignation won't happen with these arrogant assholes, but if Dick and George died tomorrow, the Speaker of the House is next in line.

[jokerman93]

155. Interesting scenario

Let's say it goes as you describe, and Powell is installed, runs, and beats Kerry.

Not by any stretch of the imagination, would Powell be able pursue or continue the PNAC agenda -- especially if over the next for years we prosecute a massive democratic activist movement nationwide to ensure that cleaning house in the congress, and politics on all local and state levels, is also our priority.

Powell will have to turn toward the Constitution again as a born-again bi-partson patriot, and make complete amends to the American people (especially the Black voters who have been particularly used and abused by the racism of the Buash cabal).

If Powell got in -- I believe we'd have him by the short and curlies on moral grounds alone.

We're going to win no matter what, but it's going to take a number of years to get our country back and begin a renewal of the traditions of Democracy, civility, and justice in this country.

OK. I'm done.

[anarchy1999]

78. And there were those here questioning the legitimacy of Ruppert and

you are brave enough to bring in Skolnick? What are you thinking. Lock and Load, prepare for incoming salvos. Good Luck. We'll try to keep your back.

[jmcgowanjm]

82. Thanx, anarchy1999, I love a good discussion n/t

[The Commie]

105. Hit the road, Chimpy...

...or death row

[AlphaNR]

93. I don't understand

If FTW.com and Wayne Madsen are as credible as claimed, why hasn't this reached any of the media, or at least drudge or thesmokinggun?

[Timefortruth]

99. Drudge only reports bad news about Democrats.

The smokinggun publishes documents and so far there are none.

[msanthrope]

103. Watergate was originally only a Washington Post story.....

and the major dailies of the time didn't touch it for a very, very, long time.

[Barrett808]

122. Don't worry - this story will diffuse into the mainstream soon enough

Mike's just on the leading edge.

[sandnsea]

126. This is serious doo doo

It won't make the mainstream media until there are actual endictments or within hours of them. And it'll never make Drudge until he can't avoid it a second longer. Seems like smoking gun waits until they have a document of some sort.

[osaMABUSh]

110. I love DU - this is like being with Woodstein during Watergate

These posts about PlameGate are great reads. Reminds me of I how felt when watching All the President's Men. I hope they are true and that a couple of weeks or months from now when the world learns of the indictments we can sit back and watch the whole shit house go up in flames.

[TacticalPeek]

111. Mmmm. Toasted marshmallows.

- sit back and watch the whole shit house go up in Plames

[osaMABUSh]

112. No one f**cks with the CIA - but didn't Jr consult with Poppy?

So Bush was behind the outing because of his stupidity (of the workings of the CIA). Don't you think Poppy would have warned him being former head of the CIA and knowledgeable of it's inner workings?

[TacticalPeek]

113. Poppy? The Chump-in-Chief only consults a higher father, remember?

Which brings the question to who caused this clusterfuck, God or Shrub?

I suppose he could ask for God's resignation, but that might hurt him with his base.

[hang a left]

119. One thing that stuck with me today after seeing F911.

Was the comment made by Moore that all ex presidents have the right to see daily CIA briefings. GHWB is the only president that STILL receives daily briefings.

[bagnana]

158. yes, and that is an incredible "insider trading" opp.

He represents defense industry players and yet he gets top secret inside info. on terror and other issues? That isn't right.

[bear425]

120. Kick

For the Sunday lurkers like me...

[Dr Fate]

121. Call me back when my Aunts & Uncles see this "on the TV"..

Until then, I offer you a big, fat, cynical YAWWWWWWWNNNN.

[Dems Will Win]

124. Good Doctor think about this

June 3 - Bush admits he has lawyered up for the Plame investigation. Analysts agree the President must have a personal liability or no lawyer would be needed. John Dean predicts Bush will take the Fifth as he must have violated the law as well.

Sunday June 6 Cheney, who already has a lawyer, is questioned by Patrick Fitzgerald.

Wednesday, June 9, Tenet and Bush get into a shouting match and Bush asks for his resignation

June 10 George Tenet resigns and Deputy Director Pavitt resigns as well

June 10, same day as Tenet and Pavitt resign, the Federal Reserve increases the M3 money supply in unprecedented manner, boosting liquidity dramatically for the rest of the year. Analysts buzz there must be some massive catastrophe coming down the pike.(Fed informed by Fitzgerald that Pres and VP to be charged?)

Tenet and Pavitt are turning states evidence against Bush and Cheney.

Unless you think Tenet left because he wanted to finally be with his son...

[Dr Fate]

125. I know this and you know this...

...but until the Aunts & Uncles across the USA "see it on the TV" it may as well be somthing you & I made up.

[Dems Will Win]

131. Madsen actually said the DoJ insider predicts the Grand Jury

investigation is done now and the indictments of Rove, Libby and Hannah along with the charging of Bush and Cheney as unindicted co-conspirators will be

THIS WEEK!

So get out the popcorn for you and your aunts and uncles because the media will have to cover the fall of Bush whether they want to or not!

And in case I'm wrong--please disregard this thread.

[Dr Fate]

139. Sounds great. I'll believe it when I see it.

Sorry, but Rove & HIS media have taught me to be a very cautious cynic.

[nolabels]

135. Tenet and Pavitt are in cahoots

They both works for the CIA, :D

Joking aside they both have the inside track, but do you think they would? Would set a pretty bad precedent for just about anything (I know BFEE is that evil) This does sound that crazy though

[jokerman93]

156. Federal Reserve increases the M3 money ?

This is interesting, could you please elaborate on this a bit more? I don't know much about what this means, or why it might imply a coming crisis of some kind. I'm very interested. Any links would be helpful too.

Thanks in advance DWW!

[Az_lefty]

132. This is BIG....

is it possible that the ripple effect of this could have contributed to the CIA's inability to prevent 9-11? I haven't heard anything on this angle, but it needs to be explored.

[Tellurian]

136. Anyone got a login and pass? Bugmenot is out of commission...

I'd love to read the rest of the article.

[Swamp Rat]

137. Hope springs eternal!

[osaMABUSh]

143. Let's say something happens this week - will the timing bury it?

OK, let's say low level admins get indicted this week. We've got the Fed meeting on rates and the BIG DAY in Iraq both on Weds.

Will the Plame stuff get buried?

[merkins]

146. COUP D'ETAT: The Real Reason Tenet and Pavitt Resigned

some facinating reading i found on another site via metafilter:

http://politics.com/discussion.html?cid=1&mid=197517&page=1

The Real Reason Tenet and Pavitt Resigned from the
CIA on June 3rd and 4th

Bush, Cheney Indictments in Plame Case Looming

JUNE 8, 2004 1600 PDT (FTW) - Why did DCI George Tenet suddenly resign on June 3rd, only to be followed a day later by James Pavitt, the CIA's Deputy Director of Operations (DDO)?

The real reasons, contrary to the saturation spin being put out by major news outlets, have nothing to do with Tenet's role as taking the fall for alleged 9/11 and Iraqi intelligence "failures" before the upcoming presidential election.

Both resignations, perhaps soon to be followed by resignations from Colin Powell and his deputy Richard Armitage, are about the imminent and extremely messy demise of George W. Bush and his Neocon administration in a coup d'etat being executed by the Central Intelligence Agency.

The coup, in the planning for at least two years, has apparently become an urgent priority as a number of deepening crises threaten a global meltdown.

Based upon recent developments, it appears that long-standing plans and preparations leading to indictments and impeachment of Bush, Cheney and even some senior cabinet members have been accelerated, possibly with the intent of removing or replacing the entire Bush regime prior to the Republican National Convention this August.

(snipped the rest .. its a long article but goes off into some
interesting tangents ..)

[Tellurian]

147. muwwwwah! Thanks, merkins..

relieved the plans have been accelerated..whew!

g'night..

[Occulus]

148. And such a result would totally destroy trust in the Thugs for generations

I simply could not wish for anything more. I almost dare not even hope.

Almost.

[Rockholm]

157. Maybe This Is What TPM Was Talking About...

The tetonic shifting of plates?

[hang a left]

160. Whoa thanks so much for the link. I am half way through.

It is long but well worth the time. THis I found very interesting:

Last and final clue: Under Executive Privilege, a principle intended to protect the constitutional separation of powers, officials in the Executive Branch cannot give testimony in a legal case against a sitting President. The Bush administration has invoked or threatened to invoke the privilege several times. Dick did it over the secret records of his energy task force and George Bush tried to use it to prevent Condoleezza Rice from testifying before the "Independent" Commission investigating September 11th.

Former officials of the Executive Branch are, however, free to testify if they are no longer holding a government office when subpoenaed or when the charges are brought.

snip>

But (not surprisingly) Tenet and the CIA were and remain much better at covert operations and planning ahead than the Bush administration ever was. Tenet and Pavitt actually prepared and left a clear, irrefutable and incriminating paper trail which not only proves that they had shunned and refused to endorse the documents, the CIA also did not support the nuke charges and warned Bush not to use them.

Where are those documents now? They're part of the Justice Department Plame investigation - and they're also in the hands of the Congressman who will most likely introduce and manage the articles of impeachment, if that becomes necessary: Henry Waxman (D), of California. If you would like to see how tightly the legal trap has been prepared, and how carefully the evidence has been laid out, I suggest taking a look around Waxman's web site at: http://www.house.gov/waxman/.



Now I have a question. Was Tenet in a member of the executive branch?

[hang a left]

161. Oh please, I hope this blogger is right.

I wonder how soon we will know for sure?

[Occulus]

149. Kicking this through the week

:kick: Let's see what, if anything, comes of this in the coming days.

[Ugnmoose]

150. I say Wednesday (the 30th) is the day indictments will fly

As I posted over in GD, if memory serves me correctly a Grand Jury is usually impaneled for a six month period of time or earlier should they complete their work sooner. It is likely that June 30th would be the end of the term for this Jury. Therefore, I expect them to issue their indictments and close up shop.

[Occulus]

151. Could this be why

the handover was accelerated?

[Ugnmoose]

152. That would be my best guess

Bushco wanted to get as much PR out of this handover as they could and know all of this would be drowned out once the indictments hit.

[Qutzupalotl]

164. I doubt it.

I heard that it was moved up at Brahimi's request, and for security reasons. Probably he was thinking there were attacks planned for the 29th and 30th.

Also, it would seem to be in Bush's interest to have the handover and indictments on the same day. The media will play up the handover, since everyone's expecting that; but this Plame case has received relatively little coverage and is not as well-known. So the indictments could have been buried.

Now I'd be willing to speculate that this is the reason that Bush insisted on sticking to a June 30 handover date, if he knew the grand jury's time would be up then.

[jokerman93]

154. Some folks upthread were speculating

Some folks upthread were speculating that even if there are convictions, they will all be pardoned by Bush.

I say, if there is even ONE pardon, patriotic Americans everywhere MUST take to the streets in vocal demonstrations against the corruption. We have to say never again, and mean it.

If there are ever convictions in all of this, the American people must insist that punishment be delivered to the full extent of the law with no exceptions. I want the history books to record that America stood tall and turned our backs for all time on any who would violate the principles of our constitution for their own profit. We will need to send a loud message, if any pardons are ever attempted.

[eek]

159. Several "CIA is lame" articles were in Sunday paper

In the first section of the
Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal were around five different articles with basically negative CIA headers.
It just felt like scattershot in the Pentagon vs Whitehouse war
I've been in Entertainment marketing long enough to know a PR campaign when I see one.

[ElementaryPenguin]

162. Wow!! BushCo is really fucked this time!

And with the movie out - and Iraq going up in flames...the rats will jumping ship - if they can find a place to land!

:wow:

[demgrrrll]

163. Did anyone just read Josh Marshall's last post about the Financial

Times article? As usual very cryptic, talks about the forged document and that the Financial Times may be wanting to get out
in front of a bigger story that is coming down the pike about the
forgery? Hmmmm.