****EAST COAST POWER OUTAGE....THREAD # 2

[SoCalDem]

Thread # 1

[SoCalDem]

1. to the top

:)

[PartyPooper]

51. Well, if they need help, the National Guard can come to the rescue!

Ooops! I forgot, they're all in Iraq.

:eyes:

[CMT]

2. HMM

more energy problems for the states this time on the east coast. Maybe a recall can be started against Pataki.

[0007]

35. Better yet!

Let's hope for a Texas outage and then maybe California will be able to sell 'em power to get even. Wouldn't that be
lovely?

[KCDem]

65. no way, people down here have guns!

And it's HOT.... this would not be a good time for a power outage!

Remember... some of us Texans are your friends. We're going to take back this Godforsaken place from the Repugs and make it a nice blue state once again. :hi:

[wheresthemind]

3. uh huh

wooooo real news! When they gonna start spinning it enough for George to be our savoir?

[Brian Sweat]

80. Give them time.

I guarantee you that Karl Rove just popped a chubby of what he views as a chance to make Schleprock look presidentiacacal.

[VolcanoJen]

4. Mayor Bloomberg on CNN now

He says it will be a few hours at minimum, and maybe well into the evening, before power returns.

They say all systems functioned as they should, shutting down due to the Niagra Mohawk Power Grid overload.

[hippiechick]

5. Ken Lay is holding the East Coast Hostage ...

He wants Enron and his job back ...


:silly:


:hippie:

[On the Road]

6. If Someone Wanted to Create a Panic

New York City would be the LAST place to attack. New Yorkers seem to take emergencies in stride.

[madrchsod]

7. fox news- cool picture

everyone walking home..plus a former com. from newyork -power grid is old and needs fixing.....hey it`s iraq....

[bpilgrim]

67. just like after the 911 atacks...

i remember how the RICH were so shocked at how calm and rational so many new yorkers were or at how the lowely first responders behaved that other day that will live in our infamy...

peace

[goobergunch]

8. Hartford's out-MSNBC (n/t)

[ConnDem]

44. Not in my Buidling.

Hartford, West Hartford still on line.

[fishnfla]

9. Niagra-Mohawk power grid

from the falls, not terrorism they are saying

[VolcanoJen]

12. Bloomberg says 100% positive it's not terrorism

He's very calm and collected. You gotta love the resolve and gumption of New Yorkers (even though I'm no Bloomberg fan)!

[celestia671]

18. I'm sure that Bloomberg...

doesn't have to worry about his electricity not being on.

[Desertrose]

23. Yeah but the mayor acts like its Canada's fault...sheesh!

A natural occurance....no I don't think its natural...whether its more...hope not

Oh boy-Homeland Security statement..
well..that was a waste...DUH!


Hope they can get the power back soon...
Peace
DR

where's chimpy...oh, on the WEST coast,eh??
:eyes:

[Brian Sweat]

88. Blame Canada

[greyl]

10. Hope it's fixed by nightfall.

Any other stations showing live Brooklyn Bridge pics? (cbs is)
It's coverd with people on foot.

[TXlib]

41. At least NYC would be a great place for stargazing if not.

I remember reading that after the major earthquake in San Francisco, hundreds of panicked residents called 911 to report a suspicious patch of light in the sky during the night.

They were seeing the Milky Way, for the first time in their lives.

http://www.darkskyinstitute.org/DarkSky/index.html

[benfranklin1776]

11. Damn peculiar to say the least

No solar flares, no overload due to excessive heat.....Niagra/Mohawk power grid is overloaded accrding to this article. Query why? Transformer failure maybe, what about computer problems....Just speculating

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/08/14/power_030814

[gauguin57]

17. bush is "aware"

ABC's Kate Snow reporting that President Flubya "is aware of the blackout."

Stop the presses!

[jmm]

27. CNN just said he's at a fundraiser

but his people :eyes: say this isn't linked to terrorism.

[ConnDem]

53. Of course his people would know whether it was linked to......

terrorism. They knew it on 9/10 too!

[benfranklin1776]

104. But, but its a "working fundraiser"

@#@%$#^@%%$ Asshole is, as always, AWOL.

[LynneSin]

28. Sorta like how Bush was aware the first plane hit

and then continued to read books to small children?

[Sushi_lover]

48. Oh man. time for them to lie about a threat to Air Force One

Time for the White House to start making up stuff and hiding Bush in a bunker somewhere

[benfranklin1776]

75. "out of harm's way"

safely at a posh country club replete with its own generator......JESUS when the hell will people get outraged at this clown's antics, taking the whole month of August off while soldiers die in the heat, and things go literally to hell here. Oh he issues a statement just before heading off to raise more money by polishing the corporate knob and that's just peachy keen with folks. Clinton worked his ass off and was pilloried in the media. This yahoo can't even be bothered to stay awake past 10:00 on September 11 but he gets a free ride...its a working vacation reminds the media before each report.....Sorry this pisses me off BIG TIME

[benfranklin1776]

58. MMM Good point

My blood still boils at that one. Spending an additional ten minutes reading the very hungry caterpillar while all hell was breaking loose. Yes Georgie is now cutting brush or bottom feeding for cash so his input, as always, is wholly irrelevant to what is going on. A wannabe Emperor Nero he is, fond of fiddling as Rome burns.

[magnolia]

85. Bush will....

...tell us what he thinks about the outages...as soon as someone tells him what he thinks about the outages!

[DoYouEverWonder]

Wonder how long it will take them

to sober him up, so he can make a statement?

[jus_the_facts]

138. THERE IS AN X-CLASS SOLAR FLARE HAPPENING.........

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[Drifter]

13. Rochester NY here ...

no problems that I can see, although I am at work, and I believe that we have our own power source.

I am hearing rumbling from other folks here that their power is out at home.

I wish I was camping, then I would care if the power went off.

Cheers
Drifter

Calling home now to see if powers out.

[Barrett808]

14. MSNBC: Major power failure across Northeast

Major power failure across Northeast

Toronto, Detroit also affected by unexplained blackout

BREAKING NEWS
MSNBC AND NBC NEWS

Aug. 14 — A major power blackout hit several major cities in the Northeast, the Midwest and Canada late Thursday afternoon, knocking out electricity to millions of people in New York, Toronto, Detroit, Cleveland and elsewhere.

(more)

http://www.msnbc.com/news/952578.asp?0cv=CA01&cp1=1

[SoCalDem]

20. From ABC..NYC

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/wabc_081403_power.html

[Corgigal]

15. Again the mayor of NYC

has to calm the public while Bush won't be bothered from his pretend ranch vacation.

[hatrack]

22. He's too busy fundraising in San Diego

Not to worry, though - he's been "informed" of the situation.

[_NorCal_D_]

38. Yes,

and he is on his way to the nearest fallout shelter!

[DoYouEverWonder]

31. Who wants to bet

on how long it takes W to get his act together to make a statement? I'm sure that his staff doesn't want to wake him up from his afternoon nap.

[tuck]

16. why is it so widespread?

are 7 different cities really affected by a failure of one point?

[goobergunch]

24. It's the Niagara-Mohawk power grid being overloaded (n/t)

[TrogL]

106. same as last time (1965?)

We're getting a cascading effect

[never cry wolf]

19. Chicago not down

as far as I know. No word on that on local radio and it's certainly up here in the burbs.

[gauguin57]

30. Pull out the generators

NOW people can finally get some use out of those damned Y2K emergency generators!

[Mari333]

37. Thank GOD my son took an Amtrak from seattle to Chicago

I have to pick him up at 8:35 here in MI after his train change...I just pray to GOD he gets home okay..

Computers down in Kalamazoo MI I just heard, and lights flickering on and off....

[KCDem]

72. I hope your son gets home safely tonight!

:hi:

[Walt Starr]

45. I'm in the Sears Tower right now

Looking out the windows, all the lights are on.

:shrug:

[lebkuchen]

130. What floor are you on?

Is everyone advised to stay inside the building? Why not head out for a coffee break, and take the stairs, just to be on the safe side.

[corarose]

60. I live by the House Of Blues in Chicago and our lights are on

They are blinking in the hallways but they have been working on them for the past few days.

I will SHIT my pants if they go out because I can't walk down 33 floors.

[never cry wolf]

61. just heard a com ed rep

on the local news radio. typical summer day in chicago, electrically speaking.

[Sushi_lover]

21. Quick, check the minutes of Cheney's recent meetings

I suspect another Enron/Cheney manufactured energy crisis.

Oh, I forgot. Cheney's not a public employee so we can't check his minutes. He's on a $1Million/year "pension" from Halliburton. Private citizens don't have to show minutes of the meetings they go to, right?

[VolcanoJen]

25. Statement from Homeland Security

"The Department is working with state and local officials and the energy sector to determine the cause of the outage, as well as what response measures may need to be taken. We encourage all of those who may be affected to listen and heed the advice of their local authorities."

So, Tom Ridge doesn't get CNN??? Crikey, they're saying it's the Niagra Mohawk grid!!

[SoCalDem]

32. Hey.. if it's not on "Fox & Friends" , he won't see it :)

[Kathy in Cambridge]

26. Boston is on a different grid

So we're OK for now!

[goobergunch]

29. CNN: Boston's affected

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/08/14/power.outage/index.html

Matcom, is this true?

[jmm]

47. NECN says airtraffic is affected at Logan

because of flights going to and coming from places with outages but I live in Salem and just made a couple of calls to Boston. Nobody I've spoken to is affected.

[goobergunch]

56. What's odd is that the ABC story says that Boston's okay

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/WorldNewsTonight/power_outage030814.html

[jmm]

70. Technically they are right

because there aren't any power outages here yet. The problem is dealing with places that do have outages. According to NECN the MBTA police will be on full alert in case there are any outages in Boston.

[Caution]

49. was just chatting on IM with my girlfriend

She's in downtown boston. as far as i can tell it is not affected

[Kathy in Cambridge]

123. We're on a separate grid

I'm in the city sitting here watching my local news.

[havocmom]

33. They'll blame east coast evil DUers

too much time on the internet digging up dirt on the misAdministration!

Anybody hear if Deleware is blacked out too?

[goobergunch]

39. Philly suburbs in PA are okay...

given that LynneSin has posted to this thread, I'd guess DE is up.

[LynneSin]

69. Delaware is pissed we have electricity and have to stay at work

:mad:

We're fine. My mother also called from Central PA (Harrisburg) and they are fine too.

[Mandate My Ass]

108. I just got home from work

Power was not affected in Philly and is not affected in Delaware County either.

[goobergunch]

109. Or in Chester County (n/t)

[RapidCreek]

34. Holy Shit!

Clintons Penis strikes again!!!

RC

[diplomats]

46. Hey, Clinton's probably in New York now

maybe you're right! :evilgrin:

[catzies]

101. Hillary's scheduled to be on Jon Stewart tonight!

I hope the power comes back on because I was really looking forward to that!!!

[Exultant Democracy]

73. Clinton's Mighty Penis

Rampaging in NCY

[VolcanoJen]

36. Damn, I'll bet the NYC Airports are a freaking nightmare!!!

:-(

[gauguin57]

42. The electricity is working just fine here

in Amish Country. How ironic!

[diplomats]

57. I live in Amish country, too!

Do you happen to live in Lancaster County?

[goobergunch]

68. I live in Northern Chester County...

not in the Amish Country, but close enough that I've been there repeatedly.

[Desertrose]

102. hey ...I used to live in Lanc Co!

now I 'm in AZ...where are you in Lanc Co- northern or southern part??
...ya ever hear of Quarryville?????

thats why I'm glad I'm in Az

:evilgrin:

peace
DR

[diplomats]

116. I live in Lancaster city

and I certainly know where Quarryville is!

[Mari333]

43. Think of all the people on LIFE SUPPORT at home

and the LACK of funds for the cities from the BFEE...this will be a nightmare in the cities...............a nightmare

[goobergunch]

50. Also given what they're doing to LIHEAP (n/t)

[karlschneider]

40. KLAATU VIRADA NICTO!

:evilgrin:

[ewagner]

74. LOL

At least you remembered the whole thing!

:evilgrin:

[goobergunch]

86. huh? (n/t)

[Brian Sweat]

107. Go watch "The Day the Earth Stood Still"

and then tell Pat that you would like to buy a clue.

[hippiechick]

92. I was thinkin' the same thing !!

:toast:


Would be about damn time, too !!!



:hippie:

[tuck]

99. hear hear

to that one...

[Corgigal]

52. ABC reporting

"something" happened in Canada and now the Grid is down. Whatever that means.

[VolcanoJen]

54. So, the Al-Qaida Arrest Story just got knocked off the front page!.

I'll bet Rove is pissed! :-)

[Hoppin_Mad]

78. Rove will blame it on Hambali - Chimp to the rescue !

hehe

[TeeYiYi]

55. I'll bet it has to do with that computer worm! ........n/t

TYY

[gauguin57]

59. power off all around PA, but not IN PA

How did Tom Ridge manage to keep power on in his home state?

[Corgigal]

62. CNN just reported

Erie Penn is out.

[goobergunch]

64. Philly suburbs still on (n/t)

[Desertrose]

Probably 'cause of PECO & PP&L

and all those yummy nuke plants...Peach Bottom...Three Mile Island...guess they are still running...

ahh the stories I sude to hear from friends who worked there...reminds me a lot of Homer Simpson...

its a damn miracle we aren't ALL glowing!

Peace
DR

[goobergunch]

120. and Limerick (n/t)

[goobergunch]

63. Reuters: Oyster Creek nuke plant in NJ out

The Oyster Creek nuclear power plant in Forked River, New Jersey was not functioning, according to people familiar with the plant's operation.

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=3280810

[Brian Sweat]

125. What the hell does "not functioning mean."

My guess is that it is functioning, but that it is isoloted from the grid and cannot supply power.

[KoKo]

66. Clinton would have been on the air.....in no time...where's Ridge/Shrub!!

Another major US disaster and where are our leaders. Particularly frustrating since Bush left us to fly around all day while NYC/Wash/ were suffering......and American People were left in Limbo.

Same thing! All over again! This may not be a terrorist attack or computer hack attack.....BUT WHERE ARE THEY!!!

[Lurking Dem]

71. Reassuring the American people

isn't exactly on the current (mis)Administration's agenda.

[lebkuchen]

110. Bizarre--the Chimpster hasn't gone public yet???

Gross dereliction of duty. Drive the bum out!

Just goes to show, he can't survive without his cue cards. Pathetic.

[_NorCal_D_]

84. I would guess

that they are huddled in the corner of a fallout shelter.


B-)

[diplomats]

89. He's at a fund-raiser

you really don't think he'd let a crisis interfere with his money-grubbing? (BTW, John King is on CNN saying they can't definitively rule out terrorism, and that Bush is being briefed. Whoop de do.)

[PartyPooper]

111. Bush, Cheney, Ridge, and Ashcroft are all conspicuously absent.

For once, they probably don't know what to say to the American people. Or, they simply have to "script" this blackout...and get their stories synchronized before going public. You're right, the same thing happened on 9/11.

:shrug:

[lebkuchen]

118. A foreshadowing of what to expect when terrorism does strike again

Nothing from Chimpy. He's an empty set.

[MGKrebs]

76. How can they rule out terrorism

while they are trying to determine a cause? That doesn't make any sense.

[goobergunch]

77. NBC (local): Western PA is out

PLEASE stay to the west...

[FubarFly]

83. Philadelphia is still fine.

Is this spreading?

[goobergunch]

90. I know...I live in Chester County (n/t)

[LynneSin]

87. Western PA is on a different power grid than eastern PA

Delaware should be fine since our grid comes from the DelMarva area.

[goobergunch]

93. Is Philly on the same grid?

PLEASE say yes!

[happyslug]

127. In Johnstown PA I had a sudden cut off of power.

That caused my Comupter to turn off. All I had to do is turn it back on, but power had stopped long enough to turn the computer off. Johnstown in is the Pittsburgh Grid, but part of the connection to the Philadlphia and East Coast Grid. So it has hit in Western Pa but just for a few seconds.

[Cocoa]

79. Bush gets another excuse for the bad economy

"If it weren't for the recession, the terror attacks, two wars, the corporate scandals, and the blackout, my economic plan would have worked."

[CMT]

81. interesting how Bush just happens to be away from the east coast?

ok, maybe just a bit conspiratorial. But I couldn't resist.

[Ripley]

82. What is going on?

I'm in the south, and all I see here at DU is hysterical threads based on no real news.

[FubarFly]

91. Well, the people without power aren't logged in right now.

Go figure.


;) :evilgrin:

[Cocoa]

94. it's pretty real

Blackout in major cities, including NYC. If you're saying we don't know why, ok, but the blackout itself is real.

[lebkuchen]

97. How would you like to be in an Empire State Building elevator

or NY subway, not knowing what the hell is happening?

The good news is, it's not dark yet.

[lebkuchen]

95. It hasn't even been hot on the East Coast

power grid overload?

The Chimpster had better sign onto the Kyoto Treaty, quick. If his country can't handle 80 degree weather w/o shutting down, it's time to try conservation measures.

[goobergunch]

96. It's 90 degrees here (n/t)

[lebkuchen]

103. I'm impressed. It's been in the 100's in Europe for a week and a half

No power problems over here.

Try conservation.

[femmecahors]

126. GOD'S REVENGE on the Freepers . . .

For making fun of the 3000 heat related deaths in France.

[Brian Sweat]

133. Conservation is antithetical to our blessed way of life

or something like that.

[Corgigal]

98. HMMM

MSNBC reporting the Lincoln tunnel might be closed. Probably just a precaution.

[gauguin57]

105. Time to call out the National Guard ...

Oops ... sorry ... Bush sent them all to IRAQ! Fend for yourselves, people!

[DoYouEverWonder]

124. Everything is out

probably the best thing to do is park your car where ever you're stuck and go to the closet bar. You want to tank up before stuff starts getting warm.

BTW: Not only are all the tunnels and bridges a mess all the airports are closed. It's a little difficult to land planes without power.

[OKNancy]

100. EFFECTED guys

One thing the two threads have taught me...people don't know the difference between affected and effected.

( affect is usually only used when the subject is psychology )

[Walt Starr]

119. From dictionary.com

af·fect1
tr.v. af·fect·ed, af·fect·ing, af·fects
To have an influence on or effect a change in: Inflation affects the buying power of the dollar.
To act on the emotions of; touch or move.
To attack or infect, as a disease: Rheumatic fever can affect the heart.

n.
Feeling or emotion, especially as manifested by facial expression or body language: “The soldiers seen on television had been carefully chosen for blandness of affect” (Norman Mailer).
Obsolete. A disposition, feeling, or tendency.

ef·fect
n.
Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result.
The power to produce an outcome or achieve a result; influence: The drug had an immediate effect on the pain. The government's action had no effect on the trade imbalance.
A scientific law, hypothesis, or phenomenon: the photovoltaic effect.
Advantage; avail: used her words to great effect in influencing the jury.
The condition of being in full force or execution: a new regulation that goes into effect tomorrow.

Something that produces a specific impression or supports a general design or intention: The lighting effects emphasized the harsh atmosphere of the drama.
A particular impression: large windows that gave an effect of spaciousness.
Production of a desired impression: spent lavishly on dinner just for effect.
The basic or general meaning; import: He said he was greatly worried, or words to that effect.
effects Movable belongings; goods.

tr.v. ef·fect·ed, ef·fect·ing, ef·fects
To bring into existence.
To produce as a result.
To bring about. See Usage Note at affect1.

The effect of the power outage affected everybody in New York.

[FubarFly]

128. It affected their tempers because it effected their routines. n/t.

[FlaGranny]

129. Did you get any effect

on your affect?

[karlschneider]

132. Nope. Affect is a verb, Effect can be either a verb or noun. But thanks

for playing. :evilgrin:

[northzax]

112. maryland suburbs of DC out

at least some of them (waldorf for instance)

[dave29]

113. Just talked to my parents -they are at the World Trade Center

It's pretty bad- but people seem to be behaving themselves.

Looks like they picked the wrong day to visit NYC

[goobergunch]

114. My mom is making me log out now...

so the lack of posts from me after this one DOES NOT imply that Chester County PA is down.

[donotpassgo]

115. MY COUSIN IS STUCK IN THE SUBWAY

SHIT!!!!

[lebkuchen]

121. How do you know?

Cell phones aren't working, are they?

[donotpassgo]

135. I talked to my Aunt

She has an old fashioned phone, and she said my cousin was coming back from work on the subway when it happened. No word from her to anyone.

[FubarFly]

122. Sorry to hear that.

How did you find out?

[cmd]

117. Cleveland update #2

My daughter is sitting outside her building watching for her staff as they exit the garage. It takes about 45 minutes to get out. She has cell phone capabilities when the lines are not too busy. Some people from other offices are stuck on the elevator. She plans to "chill" until everyone leaves. I have no idea how anyone can "chill" in the city in this weather.

[benfranklin1776]

131. Good point but Cleveland is a good city to chill in.....

.....they have an absolutely beautiful lakefront, which on a day like today would be a good place to kill some time.

[VolcanoJen]

134. Locking... PLEASE CONTINUE IN THREAD #3

Continue discussion here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=66767

VolcanoJen
DU Moderator

[FarLeftRage]

136. Upstate New York checking in...

I am about 50 miles south of the U.S./Canada border and all is calm with plenty of power...
This whole "outage" is somewhat questionable to say the least!

[SmileyBoy]

137. CNN just reported that the thing started in Ottawa.

I was just in Ottawa a week ago. Damn. Reported that parts of Toledo, Connecticut, New Jersey are affected. Cell phones are being gridlocked, I'm being told at this moment on CNN. Sorry, no link.