&&&& EAST COAST POWER OUTAGE...THREAD # 3

[SoCalDem]

THREAD # 1 LINK

THREAD # 2 LINK


Hey... who deleted thread # 1.. I didn't get a chance to finish reading it :(:(

[TrogL]

1. Can't see thread one

and the link the thread two looks ugly but works.

Looks like this is a repeat of 1965 (which I remember) when a cracked piece of glass in a resistor in a Canadian power station brought down the entire Eastern Seaboard

[SoCalDem]

3. I think it got deleted

:shrug:

VolcanoJen locked it and then poof it was gone in a few minutes :(:(

bummer.. I did not even get to finish reading it..:(

[VolcanoJen]

10. I'm looking into it

I can't find the thread, either. I'll find out what happened and report back soon.

VolcanoJen
DU Moderator

[DoYouEverWonder]

What's the story

with the fire at the Con Ed plant? I know it probably didn't cause this mess, but my Dad said there were plums of black smoke coming from it since earlier today?

[Brian Sweat]

17. Might have overleaded when the grid went down.

Just speculation on my part.

[donotpassgo]

2. MY FAMILY IS OK...BUT MY COUSIN IS ON THE SUBWAY

.

[Name removed]

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[argonne]

4. Tom Ridge just reported that the national ALERT will remain

Yellow. Thank God for Tom Ridge!

[ronnykmarshall]

7. I feel so much better!

God bless our President and God bless Tom Ridge! :puke:

[MrBenchley]

15. I hope that from now on

when you see Tom Ridge or George W.,, you will think "yellow!"

[chromotone]

83. I'll try...

but now when I see them, I see "red."

[madrchsod]

19. good ! my orange

t-shirt is dirty.....

[Brian Sweat]

21. Thanks Tom

You raise the damn think to orange every chance you get, when there is a real emergency, you do nothing. Not that I care.

[goobergunch]

5. Reposting from #2

I'm logging out for NON-ELECTRICAL reasons right now (dinner).

[Corgigal]

6. Poor people

MSNBC is saying even getting water in the city is difficult. I guess they need power to force the water through the pipes.

[denverbill]

8. Water flows downhill.

If you want it to go anywhere else, you need to pump it.

[Brian Sweat]

29. Which city?

I am pretty sure that New Yorks water mains are naturally preasured by the aquaducts which flow down hill quite a bit before reaching the city.

[CMT]

9. depending on how long this really lasts it could affect the

economy badly because of how widespread it is. If electricity is back on in a few hours it will be minor, but if it turns out to be a few days for some areas that is another story.

[gauguin57]

13. four counties in n.w. Pennsylvania out ...

But power still on here in Berks County area ... heading toward Philly.

[FubarFly]

22. Uh oh.

That sounds ominous.

:scared:

[diplomats]

24. A woman in the financial district

talked about that on CNN.

[lebkuchen]

25. It's one way for hard-working Americans to get a little vacation time

for a change.

Parlay it through Friday and bag some rays till Monday.

[WheresWaldo]

11. News from Michigan

much of lansing is out of power. lansing, the capital, is about 1.5-2 hours away from detroit. strange occurence.

[5thGenDemocrat]

128. All systems are GO at Saginaw, MI -- 70m NE of Lansing

We are on the Consumers Energy (NOT Edison) grid.
John
Haven't missed a beat here.

[Hoppin_Mad]

12. This will be a BIG BLACK EYE on Chimpco

It will show just HOW unprepared we are for a terrorist attact, with Chimpco refusing to spend the needed money on vital 'first responders' and refusing to reimburse cities for their 'homeland defense' costs - all so his buddies can have their massive tax cuts.

[lebkuchen]

18. Funny how shit happens around his vacation time

which is nearly every day.

If we're lucky, Cheney is undergoing another heart by-pass right now.

[fishnfla]

34. Yup , the terrorists now know

Hit right at happy hour on the East coast

[sandnsea]

37. And refuses to spend federal tax dollars on infrastructure

Niagara Mohawk deregulated in 1998. I thought deregulation was supposed to improve competition and the free market would foster improvements in power distribution.

Trickle-on economics strikes again. And now we can add not a trickle of electricity or water to the failure list.

[WinstonChurchill]

82. The State of NY Did the Deregulation

Not a federal issue, my friend.

[WinstonChurchill]

76. Chimpco Deserves Blame But Also Blame Enviros

Our national power system is tettering, and too many environmental groups push agendas that are inconsistent with having a modern electrical grid that is reliable.

Think of it this way: shutting down the economy will help stop global warming (irony intended).

[haymaker]

97. Nimbys have nothing to do with it,

it is just the environmentalists. Conservation has nothing to do with it, just the environmentalists. Greed has nothing to do with it, just the environmentalists. Nuclear waste has nothing to do with it, just the environmentalists.

Winston shows up and it ain't hard to know where he came from.

[BushHasGotToGo]

134. Things are moving smoothly in NY right now

Quit making everything so damn political.

[SoCalDem]

139. This IS a political website

:eyes:

[SmileyBoy]

14. Well, let me say thank GOD I'm in Minneapolis.

Power's running Jim Dandy over here.

[madrchsod]

40. i`m glad that i`m

in northern il,we got alot of power and alot of new trans-lines.there`s a gas "peaker plant" that`s running a couple miles away and there`s one that`s not finished..200 million so far but construction was stopped because there were no buyers for the electricty..can`t raise the 100 million or so to finish. these plants are along the new nat. gas pipeline from canada thru the midwest....oh yes our wind gens around here are on track to be built..
but we have to spend money on the destruction we caused in iraq...

[SmileyBoy]

60. Yep. The Twin Cities metro is self-sufficient, also.

Coal and oil power plants along the Mississippi provide our juice.

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. One thing is for sure

with everyone in the NE offline, my DSL connection is fast has shit right now.

[MrBenchley]

20. By the way

the reports of fires and smoke at places other than the Con Ed transformer are hooey. What that is, is the normal burn-off from the refineries in NJ....good old everyday air pollution.

[Davis_X_Machina]

30. In a city of 8 million people...

...how many 'plain old fire' fires are there on a summer afternoon? One good sized fire per borough (less SI) per day seems reasonable.

It doesn't sound very much different from what one might expect normally, but some sources make it sound like London during the blitz.

[jab105]

130. they said.....

that is was just from the shutdown.....

[SmileyBoy]

23. Toronto and Ottawa airports running on generators - CNN

Mayor Bloomberg of NYC about to have a news conference. Stay Tuned. Um, for those of you that HAVE power, I mean...

[htuttle]

26. No power? No water? City of several million?

Why does that remind me of another city somewhere else in the world?

Bet it sucks...

My sympathies to any that were inconvenienced.

[Barrett808]

33. Iraqis will call it the vengeance of Allah n/t

[Jawja]

115. Actually,

it's those feminists and gays and lesbians and the ACLU that are responsible, ala Jerry Falwell.

:crazy:

[lebkuchen]

44. Media trying not to create panic

which isn't easy considering the pins and needles the Bushies keep the American public on, day in and day out.

Once the power gets turned back on, I'm anticipating the media dropping the issue as if it had never happened. On to Arnold, and other such hogwash.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

27. Flights at Logan and Amtrak schedule screwed up

I just got a phone call-I have an overnight guest tonight! My friend who was up here on business from NYC is crashing here. Logan flights are delayed and the Amtrak trains have stopped because Penn Station is closed.

[SmileyBoy]

28. Other cities hit by blackout: Hamilton, Erie, London ON, Toledo, Newark

Just in now...

[Fleshdancer]

31. The glass is half full....

Bad news: A big chunk of the US and Canada have no power. Good news: No recall or Kobe news coverage right now and more stress for bush on his month long vacation.

Seriously though, I hope the power is restored before nightfall. My heart goes out to everyone who is affected by this.

[ronnykmarshall]

35. One sub-station started this!

I just heard on MSNBC the blackout started due to a failure at sub-station in the city. 3rd street sub-station if I heard correct. This cause a domino effect.

Sheesh!

I betcha Hillary was at that station and caused it.

[diplomats]

39. Some guy on CNN

said it started in Canada.

[ronnykmarshall]

56. Now they're backing off the Con Ed station.

Con Ed is saying it's not the 14th St sub-station.

Bloomberg is about to speak.

[colorado_ufo]

89. Bottom line is,

they don't know what caused this!

[kwolf68]

49. Anyone seen Clinton's penis?

That's probably your culprit right there.

[catzies]

63. Hillary's scheduled to be on Jon Stewart tonight!

I hope the power comes back on for that and for everyone affected by this.

[supernova]

80. Cancelling evening events

Bloomberg says he expects people to cancel planned events... cannot guarantee power would be back on in time. -- from the press conf.

I expect that would include all evening performances and appearances.

[donsu]

36. what will this do to the nuke power plants in the blackout areas?

I'm sure they have backup? for how long can their backup last?

Sewage plants?

[benfranklin1776]

38. Canadian report disputes..........

.....that problem in Niagra/Mohawk power grid could be sole source of outage..referring back to fire at ConEd plant..
http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/08/14/power_030814


On edit: NO mention of officials being quoted

[salin]

42. elsewhere I read that Niagara Falls (CA) has power

how does it work that this is the (reported) origin, but still has power? The city is not on the same powergrid as the plant in the city?

[TrogL]

90. I phoned family in Niagara Falls, Ont

and they were still up

But they may be running off a different grid. The city may be run off the old generators in the Toronto station upriver.

[TygrBright]

41. Usage cop strikes agin...

Just a note for someone who posted in Thread #2---

"Affected" IS in fact correct usage in that context. W/ reference to "affect" in psychology, the usage is a noun, referring to aspect, manner, physical appearance indicating emotional/psychological state.

"Affect" is also a verb, passive voice, indicating that a change in state has occurred or is occurring (i.e., "Attendance at the barbecue was affected by the rain") due to an active agency.

"Effect" as a noun refers to to the result of an action (The effects of the rain on attendance at the barbecue.)

And finally, "effect" as a verb is active voice, referring directly to the act of creating a change ("Better weather should effect an improved attendance rate at future barbecues.")

helpfully,
Bright the Usage Cop

[VolcanoJen]

55. Thank you, Bright!!

I appreciate your clearing that up. I thought "affected" was correct, too.

:-)
Jennifer

[markses]

92. "Affect" need not be passive voice

The snow affected our travel time.

(Passive) Our travel time was affected by the snow.

The difference between "to affect" and "to effect" is not a passive/active difference (theoretically, any verb has both passive and active voices). Rather, the difference is one of meaning.

Effect means to accomplish, or bring about, and is a transitive verb. That which it brings about follows as the direct object.

Affect, also a transitive verb, means to produce an effect or change IN. The direct oject is not that which comes about, but that which is changed by the subject (in the active voice): The cold weather affected the crops (a perfectly respectable active voice construction of the verb "to affect"). In fact, "to effect" as in to bring about, is the more rare of the two, and is almost archaic in usage.

In any case, the difference between the two verbs has absolutely nothing to do with whether they are in active or passive voice.

You also missed my favorite meaning:

To affect, as in to present an articificial appearance:

Madonna affects a British accent (also active voice).

[CMT]

43. at least this gets Arnold off the news

but reminds Californians of their own energy problems.

[SmileyBoy]

45. Millions of people are walking on the streets of NYC on TV now....

Why can't they show us coverage of Detroit or Cleveland or Toronto, Ottawa, etc?????

[Dookus]

50. prolly cuz

CNN has big crews in NYC, but not the other cities.

[VolcanoJen]

46. Anyone remember the movie "The Trigger Effect"?

It was about a weeks-long power outage in southern California. I think Elisabeth Shue and Kyle MacLachlan were in it.

It wasn't a very popular film, but the storyline was original, and interesting, and absolutely terrifying.

[ronnykmarshall]

47. Stoopid Liberules

If they all had cars they wouldn't be stuck in New York City right now. CARS!! That's wut they need. Big, gas guzzlin' murican cars!

Dum liberules! Buncha morans!

[LynneSin]

54. Yeah and what happens when a million cars all try to leave NYC at once?

TRAFFIC JAM

Obviously walking is the best way to get out of the city.

Good for your heart too!!

[ronnykmarshall]

57. Just like LA!!

[jus_the_facts]

48. SOLAR FLARES known to cause blackouts....we're in a storm NOW!

www.spaceweather.com


What's Up in Space -- 14 Aug 2003
Subscribe to Space Weather News!

SUNSPOT WATCH: Sunspot 431 is growing fast. During the last 24 hours it has swollen four-fold in area, and now poses a threat for X-class solar flares. See it yourself using safe solar observing techniques. Image credit: SOHO.


*much more*

[lebkuchen]

73. This would be a very good night to be in the far north of Norway

because the light show should be outstanding.

[kainah]

121. I wondered about that, too

especially since cell phones also seem to be out. They are saying that's simply because too many people are trying to use them but it seems to me these people are primarily concerned, right now, with keeping people calm.

[LynneSin]

51. So will the idiot have a fund-raising picture of him....

when he got the news there was a power outage?

This one from 9/11 was the gift for a $150 campaign contribution.

[SmileyBoy]

52. Oh great. Bad timing for Minneapolis cable to post an EBS test.

One of those damn weekly tests that cable companies do. Baaaaaad timing, TWC.

[Deb]

53. I've got juice!

We were on the road when it happened and didn't hear the news until just a bit ago from a bank teller.

Rural NYS has electric here. We're amazed and think that possibly our electric comes from a small coal generating plant near Ithaca. All areas around us are out, having problems getting local news on the radio and tv.

Hope our friends stay safe.

[SadEagle]

64. Most of Rochester, NY out though....

Which part of the state are you in?

[VolcanoJen]

58. CNN: First Video of subway passengers

They look positively miserable. :-(

Bloomberg's on now, saying power is starting to come back from the north, and that it will still take hours, not minutes, before the NYC system is started up.

[bluestateguy]

59. I just got home

I will have to be convinced that this is NOT a terrorist attack.

I don't believe the lies of the corporate media.

[karlschneider]

74. Well, whether it is or not, it should at least demonstrate how vulnerable

the grid systems really are. If I were a terist, I could kill most of eastern Oklahoma's power with no trouble and nearly no chance of ever being identified. And no, I'm not gonna tell you how. :D

[webtrainer]

61. accdg to faux: Airports closed, towers have power

. . . but because they don't have the juice for the passenger security and detection systems nobody can be let through and onto the planes.

Bloomberg on, power to be on in a few hours ?

[ronnykmarshall]

65. Con Ed starting to power back up.

North part of the state is coming back up. The city still out.

[ronnykmarshall]

62. Bloomberg on right now.

Con Ed says that power is starting to come back on in the north.

Cause is from either Northern NY or Southern Ontairo, Canada.

[lebkuchen]

66. He's losing his temper--wrong attitude to have

He needs to be calm.

[SoCalDem]

69. no need to call the national guard.. hehheh

That would be a long distance call anyway... to BAGHDAD, probably:(

[lebkuchen]

81. The economy sucks, so who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men

out of a job and no longer looking for one when the sun goes down.

We shall "see," eh?

[argonne]

72. Exactly.

That's why he is NOT president--God bless George Bush!

[lebkuchen]

77. The trouble with George is that he lacks affect

That's why he's not in front of a camera now. He is completely incapable of showing any empathy whatsoever, especially off the cuff.

[VolcanoJen]

75. Here's a solo LBN Thread for discussing the press conference

If you're interested!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=66892

:-)

[EV1Ltimm]

67. it was a squirrel...

or strongbad

[Corgigal]

68. Cable channel

reporting that the FBI is checking to see if the computer worm had anything to do with this. Good, I feel safer now. HA

[SoCalDem]

71. especially when they are looking for computer worms

[PartyPooper]

70. Maybe the RNC will now decide to move their convention from NYC

to Florida? Surely, Jeb could "guarantee" electricity for their 'dog and pony' show next year. Hey, if he can provide the "votes"...he can provide most anything!

:eyes:

[treefrogjohn]

78. Newark airport dark

My daughter just got through to me on her cell phone. She was flying into Newark airport to transfer to a Paris flight and saw the smoke coming up from NYC. Shortly after landing the entire airport went black. She says it is reallllllly dark in the ladies room. Who knows when the flight to Paris will finally get off the ground? It could be a long night on the airport floor.

[Fleshdancer]

79. wow.

You just know that Van Impe guy is convulsing right about now.

[KoKo]

84. WHERE IS BUSH! WHERE IS RIDGE! WE GAVE UP FREEDOMS SO THIS KIND OF THING

wouldn't happen again......Millions are out in the streets in NYC and other cities (no coverage by Media Whores of the other cities) but millions are wandering with no info...and trying to get back to Children and Spouses.....and in all this carnage....Bush and Ridge don't speak to us.....and cables and Networks don't cover all the other cities who are suffering.

Watch for the SPIN ON THIS! And, remember Buzzflashes interview was with McDermott who SAID!

FEAR FACTOR......BUSHISTA's ARE TOTALLY INTO FEAR FACTOR! They will SPIN THIS TO THEIR ADVANTAGE!

[sandnsea]

86. Proves one thing, Bush didn't lead after 9/11

You can hate Rudy if you want, but it's obvious he was the one that kept the calm and led the country.

[webtrainer]

88. faux news is like . . .

the president doesn't have any comments . . . they are monitoring the system . . . not terrorist . . . row of dominoes--one goes down then another

[VolcanoJen]

85. Weird that Buffalo is unaffected...

...given its proximity to Niagra. I just don't understand how this happened...

[VolcanoJen]

87. NY-JFK Terminals 1 through 7 now reopening

CNN just reported.

[lebkuchen]

91. Chimpy is addressing the troops in San Diego today

That ought to inspire confidence. :eyes:

White House officials were monitoring the blackout from Washington and from San Diego, where President Bush addressed troops at midday.

http://www.freep.com/cgi-bin/flashnews/stories/F61273_20030814.htm

[colorado_ufo]

93. * always seems to be FAR away

whenever stuff happens. Where is Cheney?

[lebkuchen]

102. CNN International hasn't said a word about our WH rabbits

Not one word.

If ever there were a Twilight Zone executive branch, this would be it.

Senator Clinton spoke, however, and she was very calming, much more so than Bloomberg.

[Fleshdancer]

94. Bush is in San Diego?

What a brave president he is! Parts of the Northeast shuts down but that won't stop our fearless leader from fundraising on the west coast! Thanks for, well, er...absolutely nothing mr. resident.

[i have issues]

95. Idon't think anyone has mentioned Indian point

nuclear power plant yet.... ramifications of power loss to the plant. If it has happened... anyone?

:scared:

[lebkuchen]

108. CNNI said about ten reactors were shut down automatically

and that they will start back up gradually.

Is it that easy w/reactors? They turn on and off like a switch, no big deal?

[Cthulu_2004]

132. yup, it's easy to shut them down and "reboot"...

it's a matter of pulling the fuel rods and then lowering them back into the fluid. Not that hard to do. Controlling it when they want to keep going is the hard part...

[dArKeR]

96. Former Energy Sec '3rd World Power Grid'. I say, '3rd World GOP Economics'

Repuke Capitalism at it's finest! Eng. Sec. says the reason is lack of investment and upgrade by power compaines and no Repuke Gov. oversight.

It amazes me how stupid American people can be! Let the GOP run our country into the 'grid', oops, I mean ground. How long does it take for you to learn what evil greedy little bastards repukes are? They care nothing about America. It's only the cash!

http://darker0darker.tripod.com/

[SoCalDem]

99. Cheney's meeting and dereg ?? Found two more "attendees"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=177323

SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-14-03 02:19 PM
Response to Original message

2. This is very interesting...Black & Veatch ....national power grid...

http://www.geni.org/energy/library/media_coverage/KansasCityStar/3accbbb0_607.html

Black & Veatch proposal envisions national power grid
By DAN MARGOLIES - The Kansas City Star
Date: 06/07/2001 22:15

With the Bush energy plan emphasizing production, Black & Veatch has unveiled a $15 billion proposal to establish a national power grid and to build power plants close to their fuel sources.

The Kansas City engineering and construction company calls its strategy TAG, short for TransAmerica Grid, and says it would increase supplies and reduce prices while bolstering the nation's grid capacity and reliability. "The energy crisis is not only about generating more power," said Dean Oskvig, president of Black & Veatch's power delivery division. "It's about getting surplus power to areas that need power."

....snip.....

The Black & Veatch proposal was developed in conjunction with Siemens AG. The two companies project capital costs of $3.8 billion for the proposed transmission system and about $11 billion for the power plants. The firms began developing the proposal in late 1998 and don't have any customers yet. The TAG system would address the problem of moving bulk power across the country. Experts say current electrical generation capability is sufficient to meet demand. But existing transmission grids, which move electricity from region to region, are considered inadequate to move electricity from areas of excess capacity to areas facing power shortages.

...snip....

To get the electricity to distant customers, TAG envisions the construction of high-voltage, direct-current transmission lines connecting the country's East and West coast grids. The new lines would add 6,000 megawatts to the current 1,000 megawatts of east-west transfer capability. The current transmission system basically consists of eastern and western interconnections that meet in Texas. The grids are separately synchronized alternating-current systems.

"The backbone of TAG is a high-voltage (direct current) system to move large blocks of power around the regions," Oskvig said. "The current grid is being used to move chunks of power in ways it wasn't designed to do. ... With TAG, if there was excess power-generating capability in the eastern U.S., and the western U.S. needed power, we could get it there."

Black & Veatch and Siemens pitched TAG in April to the energy task force headed by Vice President Dick Cheney. The proposal dovetails with a recommendation in the Bush administration's energy plan, unveiled last month, to look at the possibility of establishing a national grid and to identify measures to remove transmission bottlenecks. Right now, TAG is an idea in search of a customer. And it is not clear the idea would win universal acceptance.

...snip....

Oskvig said the technology underlying TAG was not exotic.

"What we're talking about is the first leg of an interstate superhighway system for transmission," he said.


To reach Dan Margolies, call [phone] or send e-mail to [e-mail].


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Original Link: http://www.kcstar.com:80/item/pages/printer.pat,business/3accbbb0.607,.html
All content © 2001 The Kansas City Star

[salin]

107. good work!

love it when our minds go in the same direction... but you found some info on it! KUDOS!

[SoCalDem]

109. notice the DATE..JUNE 2001...a few months after the meetings

we know enron, duke, reliant siemens, and Black&Veatch were there..Who else??

[salin]

112. How do we get this to Waxman

remember they have revived the HARD push to get that exact legislation revived. No real changes. Its all back on course. IF this has anything to do with dereg.. then provisions that would push for further national dereg SHOULD BE STRUCK OUT or better _ PULL the DAMN BILL!

[kskiska]

98. Too bad this didn't wait to happen

during the Repug convention next year.

[salin]

100. Can't help but ask... but what role might

ENERGY DEREGULATION have played in this? On MSNBC Nachman (former 'city beat' reporter, as they kept touting him) went on and on that this was similar to the infrastructure problem in 1967... that was supposedly solved, and if not by then - should have been solved after 1975 (?) outage. He repeated it multiple times - that this infrastructure issue has supposedly been solved.

Made me think - maybe it isn't the type of infrastructure issue that is being suggested (thus a new problem and that is why not solved)...

OR change in systems using the infrastructure - with multiple companies ... could this be tied to the logisitics of deregulation? Just a wandering thought...

[SoCalDem]

104. read # 99 just above this

I found out two more of the energy meeting attendees.. 15 BILLION $ worth of meeting for them./.. NATIONAL dereg.

[sandnsea]

116. Niagaramohawk Deregulation page

http://www.niagaramohawk.com/nimotod/quickfacts/dereg.html

I don't know if this link is helpful or not.

Also, the rates page shows an average KWH of 12 cents. I have a coop power company and we pay 7 cents for the first 300 kwh and 5 cents after. Something is not up to snuff in the world of deregulation, that's for sure.

[salin]

124. thanks

good info !

[Kahuna]

101. I'm in NJ. 12 miles from NYC. I just got home from shopping...

I was at Home Depot - Expo when the lights went out. Total darkness. Then I went to Home Depot (proper) and it was browned out with the lights flickering. Some traffic lights were out. Some were on. I got home 15 minutes ago and thankfully the lights are on. Though neighbors told me that we had a couple of outages in my building.

[DoYouEverWonder]

103. Here's a slide show of pics from NYC

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/manhattan/ny-power0814pg.photogallery

[doxieone]

106. DAN RATHER... seems to be annoyed....with the fact

that "Andrew Card" is in charge ---- Cheny in Wyoming.

Rather asked reporter if there was word that Bush would cancel fundraiser because of millions suffering back here on this coast.

Reporter said he had not heard any indicdation of that.

[hippiechick]

110. The * Admin is Absent, But Hillary Called in to CNN

Opportunistic or not, there's some leadership in a time of crisis.


:hippie:

[lebkuchen]

118. It's her job. It's Bush's job, too.

Where the hell is he? Or Cheney? Or Powell? Or Condi? Or Rummy? Or Ridge? Or Ashcroft?

[ronnykmarshall]

117. Andrew Card?

Please explain this one.

[htuttle]

120. Al Haig Lite?

Did Card say he was in charge and had everything under control?

[salin]

125. Except Haig claimed it due to an emergency (Pres Shot)

Card has to claim it due to indifference of the Pres and Vpres. (Raising the $$$$$$ is their MOST important job, ya know.)

[benfranklin1776]

129. Heck it wasn't even a quote from Andrew Card on CBS....

...just some unnamed "senior whitehouse official" (janitor?) who assured everyone it wasn't an act of terrrorism. No word from Junior or his press secretary or Cheney in Wyoming or Card himself. Everyone is on vacation! "Leadership." Gotta love it.

[lebkuchen]

119. Is Alexander Haig still alive?

If he hasn't been called up for duty in Iraq to replace the 3rd ID, maybe he'd be available to lend a hand.

[Pathwalker]

111. Lansing Michigan is the westernmost point of this blackout!

According to Tony Early, head of Detroit Edison, Lansing, Michigan is the westernmost point of this blackout. I was in Lansing when the power went out - the entire city is without power. Thankfully, Consumers Energy IMMEDIATELY removed themselves from the grid, so everyone to the west (and north, in my case) of Lansing was spared. Consumers has released a statement, saying that they will not return to the grid until power to the rest of the state has been restored.
We were at my eye surgeon's office when it happened. Everyone started freaking, until my husband started telling them what to do. Since we live in the country, we are used to lengthy blackouts, and have plenty of experience in dealing with issues like this.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!

[Shadder]

105. State of Emergency declared in Oakland County, Michigan

Just got a call from my Mom in the Detroit area. She said that there is to be no people out on the streets between 6 PM and 6 AM tomorrow morning. Anyone driving will be ticketed.

And if I'm correct tomorrow starts the Wodward Dream Cruise.

[doxieone]

113. WATER CRISIS in Cleveland..

CBS. 2 hours left.

[ronnykmarshall]

114. 5 more hours!

Con Ed says five more hours before power back up in NYC!

[birdman]

123. Woo-Hoo

Free TV sets and computers for everybody !!

Just as soon as it gets dark.

[sandnsea]

122. People are going to need food after this

With refrigerators and freezers out, there are going to be people who lose their entire month's supply of food as well as those who stock up and will have to rely on current prices which will mean their food dollar won't go as far.

Maybe we should all think about putting a little cash aside to help.

[karlschneider]

126. Actually, food will keep perfectly well in the fridge/freezer for a day

without 'lectric IF you don't keep opening the damn thing up to 'check' on it.
:eyes:

[sandnsea]

133. Hopefully this will all be fixed as quickly as they say

That's all I'm saying.

[okieinpain]

127. tell the racist to kiss my ass, this is proof we can all get along

.

[VolcanoJen]

131. Dan Rather just made another dry delivery: Bush's whereabouts

Here's what he just said, live, to the best of my typing ability:

"President Bush is on a trip to California, talking to some military people and tonight attending a big fundraiser for his reelection campaign and for Republican political purposes in general. Vice President Cheney, when last heard from, was vacationing in Wyoming.. uhh... as we all have to take from time to time. White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, a very experienced Washington hand and public servant, has been left as the point-man to do whatever it is the federal government needs to do."

[benfranklin1776]

135. Yeah I saw that.....

.....loved the fact that he underscored that no one was tending the store.....George raising money, Dick whereabouts unknown Card in Washington, but there has been no actual statement from Card just from unnamed "senior officials" Who? The night janitor? Dan also was sure to mention the statement of the Canadian prime minister who is evidently hard at work......

[VolcanoJen]

136. Awwww!!! People are stuck on Cedar Point Rides!!

Just heard this on CBS. Cedar Point is a great amusement park located in Sandusky, Ohio. Dan Rather just said power is still out there, and that people are stuck on rides throughout the park.

I feel sorry for them, but it's kind of funny in a way, as long as they're safe.... :-)

- Jennifer

[DoYouEverWonder]

137. Bush to address the nation at 8:30 PM

Gee, it only took 6 hours to sober him up.

[benfranklin1776]

140. Where will Dim Son be babbling?

At the millionaire fundraiser dinner? Will he be so overcome with concern that he will offer every millionarie in attendance a tax cut?

[underpants]

138. HILLARY just shreaded ENRON on ABC (GD threead to be started)

"Will we have a reliable energy source in the future?"

She's out of power at their home too.

[VolcanoJen]

141. Canada Blames Outage on Lightning Strike

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030814/API/308141046

The Associated Press
TORONTO
Canadian officials said Thursday that a massive power outage across the Northeast and parts of Canada was caused by a lightning strike at the Niagara power plant.

"We have been informed that lightning struck a power plant in the Niagara region on the U.S. side," said Jim Munson, a spokesman for Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien.

[DoYouEverWonder]

143. Gee, that's a comfort

Didn't know it was still so easy to knock out the entire grid. I thought they were supposed to fix that the last time this happened?

[benfranklin1776]

144. I heard that but....

.....run the radar loop for that area at WeatherUnderground.com. It shows no thunderstorm activity at all this afternoon, just the usual ground clutter around the radar

[Cooley Hurd]

142. Saratoga (NY) County checking in...

...we have pwr in Ballston Spa, now. Came back on a half hr ago...

[VolcanoJen]

145. Locking.. PLEASE CONTINUE DISCUSSION IN THREAD #4

Here's Thread #4:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=67124

Thanks!
VolcanoJen
DU Moderator