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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 11:38 PM
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Yellowstone's gurgles nothing to fear | Bozeman (MT) Chronicle
Yellowstone's gurgles nothing to fear
By NICK GEVOCK Chronicle Staff Writer

YELLOWSTONE NATIONAL PARK -- If a recently discovered bulging mound in the bottom of Yellowstone Lake starts spewing toxic gases, tourist Paul Hartloff said, it could be a good news-bad news proposition.

"It will be hard on the fish, but it will take care of the lake trout, that's for sure," the Santa Barbara, Calif., resident joked, referring to the pesky invasive fish wreaking havoc on the lake.

With the curious bulge below the lake and new boiling features welling up in the Norris Geyser Basin, something out of the ordinary is going on in Yellowstone's bizarre underground plumbing.

Searing ground temperatures, bursts of steam and flows of hot water near the trail prompted park officials to close most of the Norris Basin recently.

More at the Bozeman Daily Chronicle
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 11:49 PM
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1. oh well, good. I'll relax then.............
then again, I'd rather let Yellowstone take me out than * in his coming-soon-to-a-neighborhood-near-you camps.

But since this all sounds so "nothing to worry about," I guess I'll just go back to planning my mid-Sept trip to Fort Benton for the fur trade conference. Any chance you'll be in the neighborhood, DinoBoy, as I enjoy my 3 free nights at the Grand Union?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-17-03 11:53 PM
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2. The USGS is worried about a hydrothermal explosion in Yellowstone!
Yellowstone National Park News Release

August 7 , 2003 03-73

TEMPORARY HYDROTHERMAL MONITORING PROGRAM TO BEGIN AT NORRIS GEYSER BASIN


In response to notably increased heat and steam emissions in parts of Norris Geyser Basin, the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory will deploy a temporary network of seismographs, Global Positioning System (GPS) receivers, and temperature loggers. The temporal deployment is intended to document chemical and physical signals that accompany this increased activity, to identify the underground locations of hydrothermal steam sources and the relationship of the Norris geyser basin to the background general seismicity, and crustal deformation of the Yellowstone caldera. It may also detect any precursory signals to geyser eruptions and hydrothermal explosions.

The GPS equipment is designed to detect very small movements of the earth, and the seismic array can measure earthquakes associated with flow of thermal water and earthquakes located on buried faults. Seven seismometers that record a wide range of seismic frequencies typical of hydrothermal and volcanic systems, called broadbands, will be placed throughout the Norris Geyser Basin, five of them within and around the hydrothermal disturbed area itself. These "broadband" seismometers are especially sensitive to the long-wavelength ground vibrations that occur as water and gas move through underground cracks as well as deeper volcanic sources.

The seismic array will be complimented by high precision GPS receivers that precisely measure the coordinates of points on the ground from data transmitted by an array of satellites that can be compared with each other to measure the relative ground velocities through time. These data compliment Yellowstone's permanent GPS network.

Movements of the ground associated with underground pulses of water and steam (including geyser eruptions) may be detected by this new technology. Thermometers placed in hot springs and creeks will continuously document the flow of water out of the geyser basin. The scientists hope to link individual pulses of water, changes in their chemistry and temperatures to pressures in the earth. This information may provide information on ground motions and seismic signals that precede them.

The Norris Back Basin has been closed since July 23, 2003, after formation of new mud pots, changes in geyser activity, and significantly increased ground temperatures (up to 200 degrees Fahrenheit) in some areas near the Back Basin trail. Additional observations include vegetation dying due to thermal activity and the changing of several geysers' eruption intervals. The heightened rate of steam discharge has continued to the present time.

The Yellowstone Volcano Observatory (YVO) is a collaborative partnership between the U.S. Geological Survey, the University of Utah and Yellowstone National Park. The Yellowstone seismic and GPS network consists of a modern digitally telemetered network of 22 seismographs and 5 permanent GPS receivers throughout Yellowstone National Park in support of the YVO and a National Science Foundation (NSF) project focused on the Yellowstone hotspot. These networks are operated and recorded by the University of Utah.

The Yellowstone Volcano Observatory is designed to provide geophysical and geochemical monitoring of Yellowstone National Park that enables timely guidance to the NPS and improves scientists understanding of ongoing volcanic, hydrothermal and earthquakes activity. Two NSF-supported University research consortiums and the University of Utah are providing the temporary equipment and technical support (IRIS, Integrated Research Institutes in Seismology and UNAVCO, University NAVSTAR Consortium). Funding is available primarily from the USGS Volcano Hazards Program and Yellowstone National Park.

For more information on YVO, go to http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS, NORRIS GEYSER BASIN MONITORING NETWORK
August 6, 2003


1. If the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory is involved, does that mean a volcanic eruption is coming? No. The last time a volcanic eruption occurred at Yellowstone (that is, where molten rock erupted) was 70,000 years ago. There is no reason to expect another volcanic eruption at this time.

2. Why install the monitoring network now? Yellowstone National Park asked YVO to help assess the hazard to the public and NPS property by the increased activity at the Norris Geyser Basin. One potential hazard is hydrothermal (also called phreatic or steam) explosions. This monitoring network will allow scientists to observe precursory activity to hydrothermal explosions, should any occur. In addition, the seismometers and GPS receivers will aid scientists in understanding the behavior of geyser basins, which are among the most seismically active features on earth. Lessons learned today will help ensure public safety tomorrow.

3. What is a hydrothermal explosion? The earth can act like a pressure-cooker with water boiling at higher and higher temperatures as pressure increases beneath the surface. If the pressure is released suddenly, water can boil and expand rapidly, fracturing rocks and throwing them into the air. These hydrothermal explosions occur somewhere in Yellowstone almost every year, though seldom are they witnessed and most are quite small. The resulting craters can be anywhere from a few feet to thousands of feet across. Excelsior Pool in the Midway Geyser Basin was greatly enlarged by hydrothermal explosions in the late 19th Century. The most recent hydrothermal explosion at Norris Basin occurred at Porkchop Geyser in 1989.

4. Has this increased steam emission ever happened before at Norris? Each year, there is a noticeable change in the color and steam discharge of many of Norris' existing geysers and thermal pools. Known as the "annual disturbance", it appears related to increased emission of deep, hot waters. This year, the "annual disturbance" is larger than normal and has resulted in the formation of many new steam vents. The increased steam emission was sufficient to create hazardous conditions for visitors on the Back Basin Trail. Park staff measured ground temperatures of 200 degrees Fahrenheit in the closure area-an unacceptable level for visitor and employee safety.

5. Does YVO expect hydrothermal explosions at Norris? No. However, the possibility remains, and the high ground temperatures and new thermal features in the Back Basin make closure of the area a prudent decision.

6. Where is Norris Geyser Basin? Norris Geyser Basin is located in the northern section of Yellowstone National Park, 22 miles south of Mammoth Hot Springs.

7. When will the temporary closure at Norris be lifted? Park staff will continue to monitor ground temperatures and geyser activity in the Norris area. The temporary closure will be lifted when conditions have returned to acceptable ground temperatures and stable surface conditions have improved.

8. Are other areas in the park being affected by thermal activity? Currently, we have no evidence for increased thermal activity in other areas of the park. We have a large network of seismic instrumentation throughout the park that is monitored on a daily basis.

9. Is YVO related to other U.S. Volcano Observatories? Yes. The USGS operates 5 volcano observatories, including ones in Hawaii, Alaska, the Cascades (Washington) and Eastern California. Unlike some of the other observatories, YVO includes staff and funding from academic and other non-federal sources.

--NPS-

http://www.nps.gov/yell/press/0373.htm

Volcano Monitoring at Yellowstone National Park

http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/yvo/monitoring.html
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 12:08 AM
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3. and if it goes, I'll be gone quickly
which, from all I've seen, is the preferable outcome in that situation. It doesn't seem to me that there is much that we can do about it, in any case. Let's just hope Cheney is making one of his very irregular visits to his "home" in Jackson at the time.
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 12:08 AM
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4. Such great news! And, I'm going to be visiting Yellowstone soon.
If PartyPooper disappears, you know what happened to me! Just remember to go to the polls next year and vote for the Democratic Nominee, so I can rest in peace!

:evilgrin:
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 01:15 AM
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7. I'm with you IG
The recent excesses of geological activity at Yellowstone are at least, cause for attention. Does it spell immediate doom? No, not necisarily, but it IS something to keep an eye on, and I don't think the article I posted is necisarily a good thing for a town barely 1.5 hours away (Bozeman).
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MiltonLeBerle Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 12:37 AM
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5. No big deal...?
http://www.earthmountainview.com/yellowstone/yellowstone.htm

YELLOWSTONE SUPERVOLCANO GETTING READY TO BLOW ITS CORK

There is a 30% chance that Yellowstone will blow its cork in the next 6 months
and cause the 3 days of darkness spoke of in the Bible...

(that would be a bad thing)
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Section_43 Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 01:08 AM
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6. Bunnypants will claim it's a rolling blackout n/t
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 01:25 AM
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8. uh....
I tried to find WHERE in that site there is data to support an eruption within 6 months, besides the headline....
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 01:55 AM
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9. We were there two weeks ago
Other than part of Norris being roped off, nothing was any more unusual than the weird stuff that normally happens in Yellowstone.

All of the western part of the North American continent is prone to explosive volcanic explosions and earthquakes.

What, me worry?

http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:dA4y_rodew4C:
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 02:16 AM
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10. Yes but Norris is closed because the ground is 200 degrees!
That's very unusual. And many of the geysers are going off in strange patterns previously unknown. The casual visitor to Yellowstone might not be able to see much difference but I have several friends who spend their summers there each year doing research and they say there are changes visible all over the park.

If anyone takes my comments higher up in the thread as treating this lightly, it's only because I can't do much else. I'll live (and die) in Wyoming. If it happens because of Yellowstone's blast, well, then, that seems a not bad way to go considering...........
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 02:24 AM
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11. ya, this is weird
but I don't see any evidence of a 30% chance of eruption within 6 months. If there really was, it would be front page of every newspaper on the planet. A Yellowstone eruption would be like several thousand nuclear bombs...
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kainah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 02:34 AM
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13. unless, of course, they don't want to panic everyone
I'm not sure it would be front page news. After all, it's science and science is too hard for most reporters -- and most readers -- to understand and digest. Still, "gurgle" seems entirely inappropriate from the Bozeman paper.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 03:06 AM
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14. have you read newspapers in Montana? :-)
anything local reporters write is full of bad grammar, typos, and improper or inappropriate word usages.
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 11:26 AM
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24. The NY Times Science section comes out tomorrow...
I'll see what they say on this topic (if anything).
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 08:06 AM
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16. i have no clue
how an outburst of a super volcano does devellop; gradually or abrupt.
but if yellowstone goes and does its "massive basalt outflow" then people better make sure they'r not within several hundred miles of the place, and don't go there for many years.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 08:19 AM
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17. yellowstone will not erupt basalt
Basalt would be a pleasent minor eruption. Yellowstone will erupt Rhyolite, which is much thicker than Basalt, and results in an eruption that is far more explosive than any basaltic eruption.

Imagine nuclear bombs vaporizing several hundred cubic miles of Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana and you'll start to understand what a rhyolite eruption would be like.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 08:44 AM
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21. COuld blow in the next 6 months?!?!?
That is it, I am not going to start a diet this week! Like Kainha, I am likely to be gone in a hurry. Should I send my collection of old vinyl to my bro in the Southwest for safekeeping?

Is ok though, am getting old and the misadministration has made me cranky.

Hey, anybody know how big that magma pool is under Yellowstone? Once heard it was enough to bury Wyoming under several stories of lava. Will I get rock/ash or molton goo here in West Dakota?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 02:28 AM
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12. I'm not usually one for omens and such,
but the more I read about increased activity in Yellowstone, the more I feel, wholly irrationally, that it's Bush's fault. All that karmic debt he's burdening America. Payback's going to be a bitch.

Might sacrificing a virgin to the volcano help? Grover Norquist?
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Atlant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 07:48 AM
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15. Did'ja ever see "Joe Versus the Volcano"?
> Might sacrificing a virgin to the volcano help? Grover Norquist?

Did'ja ever see "Joe Versus the Volcano"?

http://www.imdb.com/Title?0099892

When a hypochondriac learns that he is dying, he accepts an offer to
throw himself in a volcano at a tropical island, and along the way
there, learns to truly live.

Tom Hanks,
Meg Ryna,
Abe Vigoda,
Lloyd Bridges,
Robert Stack,
Carol Kane.

3-1/2 stars from Ebert.

Atlant
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 08:22 AM
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20. great movie, actually...
I think this movie is always underrated. It's got a great cast, unique story and some very nice cinematography. It's one of my off=beat favs. ;-)
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 08:20 AM
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18. Geez, my daughters and graddaughter arrived in Bozeman last
night for a week's stay.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 08:21 AM
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19. they came for some kind of lame weather
Lots of smoke from forrest fires, and unusually cold days :-P
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 10:13 AM
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22. I'm going to Billings next week to visit my parents and on the way
back, my wife and I are going to go through Yellowstone and Grand Teton NP. We are really looking forward to traveling the Beartooth Highway (NE Entrance to Yellowstone).
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-18-03 11:08 AM
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23. If someone from the Bush* Administration said this then you can be
assured it is a LIE. They lie out of malice and ignorance constantly. A good rule of thumb is to believe the exact opposite of what they say and you will be right more oft than naught.
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