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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 06:07 PM
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New Questions On Bush Guard Duty (CBS has new memos)
Edited on Wed Sep-08-04 06:38 PM by JudiLyn
New Questions On Bush Guard Duty

WASHINGTON, Sept. 8, 2004



'Texans For Truth' Ad




(Photo: CBS)



"Essentially, Bush gamed the system to avoid serving his country the way that most of his contemporaries had to."
Larry Korb, former assistant Secretary of Defense




George W. Bush during his days in the Texas Air National Guard (Photo: AP)



(CBS/AP) As a fighter pilot for the Texas Air National Guard, then-Lt. George W. Bush was assigned to fly F-102's out of Houston's Ellington Air Force Base. Early on, he received excellent evaluations, say reports released years ago by the White House.

What has never surfaced before, reports CBS News Anchor Dan Rather, are four documents from the personal files of Col. Jerry Killian, Mr. Bush's squadron commander. They could help answer lingering questions on whether Lt. Bush received special consideration during his military service.

The first memo is a direct order to take "an annual physical examination" – a requirement for all pilots.


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60 Minutes Correspondent Dan Rather has an exclusive interview with former Texas House speaker and Lt. Governor Ben Barnes, about the role Barnes says he played in getting George W. Bush into the Texas Air National Guard, Wednesday, 8:00 p.m., ET/PT
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Another memo refers to a phone call from the lieutenant in which he and his commander "discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November." And that due to other commitments "he may not have time."
(snip/...)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 06:15 PM
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1. This CYA memo has to be damaging
Edited on Wed Sep-08-04 06:15 PM by party_line
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Killian's memo, titled 'CYA' reads he is being pressured by higher-ups to give the young pilot a favorable yearly evaluation; to, in effect, sugarcoat his review. He refuses, saying, "I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job."
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The Globe didn't have that, did they?
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jfalchion Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 06:22 PM
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2. Why?
Why do you put his picture up?

:kick:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 06:31 PM
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3. It relates to the article.
Maybe you should ask CBS.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 06:40 PM
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4. Kick!
:kick: :kick: :kick:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 09:01 PM
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32. Is that shire horse called Boxer?
.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 06:45 PM
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5. CNN consultant says 1973 promise of 60 days after 7/30 to join another
unit was met by his joining a unit that existed only on paper in the far west - but does not state date of such "joining".

Interesting watching CNN Crowley and Anderson whore for the GOP.

I was beginning to like the pace of the Anderson 360!

I am back to just Lou and Aaron!
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elepet Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 06:57 PM
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7. bush missing
i think i saw something earlier about him saying he was on a secret undercover CIA assignment. Is that my imagination? or was that really posted?
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 07:36 PM
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8. that's a fantasy of people who name themselves things like 'elepet'
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 07:46 PM
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9. Are you spanking the monkey again elepet?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 07:46 PM
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10. "CIA" in bushspeak means "Cocaine-Induced Absence"
Edited on Wed Sep-08-04 07:50 PM by jdjkkse
the "secret undercover" part means he was in rehab.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 07:47 PM
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11. Seems there are 32 papes at the New York Times that prove he broke law
Edited on Wed Sep-08-04 07:48 PM by papau
......www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/lechliter.pdf

But our media either ignores - or it lies as on Lou Dobbs where the fellow reported no problem and on Anderson 360 where they reported their expert saw no problem

Perhaps it is just CNN whoring for Bush (Dobbs says he will not speak again of the Bush AWOL).
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Jaybird Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 07:51 PM
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12. excuse me?
did you just soil yourself?
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elepet Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:15 PM
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18. bush clandestine
Thanks for all the very courteous responses to an innocent question. I hope this isn't typical of DU.I did a Google search and found the reference, a put on no doubt, but does exist and i did see it. Doesn't mean I believe it is true. It seemed intereesting. GQ I think.
http://tsat.transform.to/i.35/clm.35.links.html
not sure the link works, but google search will find it.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:21 PM
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21. Sure. I heard the TV show 'Get Smart' was based on him
:eyes:

The article in GQ is a put on.

In addition, Bush wasn't ever precisely 'missing'. He is confirmed to have been working on a political campaign in Alabama during the time in question.

He was missing from his Guard service, not missing from the planet.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:30 PM
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24. Take a seat elepet!
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((gong))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))


Please sit your rusty dusty down
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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:20 PM
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20. That was a satire.
The article, entitled "Bush: The Missing Years" appeared in GQ. It is among the funniest things that I have read during this election cycle.

Here's a link: http://us.gq.com/features/general/articles/040727feco_02

Here's some of what I think are the funniest excerpts:

In one respect, Bush's skeptics are right: Bush never did report to the Alabama Air National Guard. He may not even know where its barracks were. That's because during the period in question, Bush was serving his country elsewhere, in a clandestine military unit: the Special Undercover Missions Service (SUMS), an elite air-force agency specializing in national security and acts of espionage. Created by the Eisenhower administration in 1958 to respond to growing concerns about aerial reconnaissance by the Soviet Union, SUMS operated for twenty-one years in a shroud of secrecy. There is no offcial record of the organization; SUMS is said to have been terminated by President Jimmy Carter in 1979.

. . . .

SUMS agents were more than gentlemen spies. Provided with state-of-the-art weaponry and surveillance equipment, SUMS officers trained in mortal combat and international diplomacy. They were masters of disguise, capable of passing themselves off as immigrants, women, even large animals. They learned how to build explosive devices using ordinary household items like dental floss and MoonPies and knew how to sleep while suspended upside down. Usually they were taught to speak Spanish, Russian, Chinese, and Arabic.

. . . .

Several sources with knowledge of SUMS's operations during that period say Bush was immediately dispatched on a string of low-level training missions to build up his experience in the field. First was Russia, where Bush worked with CIA operatives to break up a gunrunning operation orchestrated by disgruntled Soviet troops. From there he moved to India, where he helped train a mounted brigade assembled to kidnap the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (a mission that would fail due to an untimely monsoon). Next for Bush was New Zealand, where he assisted officials with helicopter surveillance of sheep poachers, and then Monaco, where he taught the crown prince's bodyguards how to fire assault rifles while waterskiing in tuxedos. He then returned to the United States for several weeks in the spring.

. . . .

When Bush returned from China, he discovered that Nixon was becoming increasingly manic about a domestic threat: the U.S. tour of the Rolling Stones. "Nixon was convinced they were a bigger threat than John Lennon, who, if you remember, we tried to deport," an FBI source said.

J. Edgar Hoover had lobbied the president to arrest the Stones in 1971 on indecency charges for the band's album Sticky Fingers. In an Oval Office meeting, Hoover sat with the president and repeatedly showed him how to unzip the crotch zipper on the album's cover. A year later, Nixon obtained an advance copy of the Stones' seminal 1972 album, Exile on Main Street. He and aide H. R. Haldeman spent hours listening to the tracks.

The president grew convinced the Stones were using their lyrics to indoctrinate American youth toward socialism, drugs, rioting against the government, bisexuality, hot pants, and tea.

"There is a song on that album called 'All Down the Line,' " one former FBI agent recalled. "Nixon listened to it a thousand times. You know that part, We're gonna bust another bottle, yeah / Well you can't say yes, and you can't say no / Just be right there when the whistle blows—he'd hear that and go completely batshit."

Bush was assigned to the Stones' 1972 North American tour. He was asked to infiltrate the band's inner circle and report on any illegal or possibly un-American activities.

This time Bush chose to take on the identity of a roadie named Bo Bannister, an itinerant concert-business employee. Though cleaner-cut than most of the Stones' crew, Bannister enthralled his fellow roadies with tales of life on the road with acts that included Chuck Berry and Mel Tormé. Soon, he was given a position of great honor at the Stones' shows: inflating an enormous, forty-five-foot pink plastic penis at the beginning of "Honky Tonk Women."

. . . .

Aware of Bush's history as a college prankster, Kissinger wanted Bush to travel to that country with the specific mission of disrupting Vietcong activities using fraternity-style gags. Guns and mortars hadn't worked. Kissinger theorized that perhaps the best way to defeat the Vietcong was to humiliate them.

Bush's mission was code-named Operation Goldfish Swallow. He received clearance from the White House to bring along a former college chum, Pinky Buhrman, who had nearly been kicked out of Yale for painting the flags of the fifty U.S. states on the penises of all the statues in the New Haven school's art museum. Pinky was the best, Bush thought—and the country needed the best.

Operation Goldfish Swallow commenced on Christmas Eve, 1972. Over a series of weeks, Pinky and Bush engaged the enemy numerous times. They TP'd enemy installations in Haiphong and Hanoi. They sneaked into VC barracks and short-sheeted beds. They made repeated phony phone calls to enemy leaders in the field.

"They learned how to ask, 'Do you have Prince Albert in a can?' in Vietnamese," recalls one FBI source with knowledge of the mission. "Anh có Prince Albert lon không?"






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elepet Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:25 PM
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23. thanks
I thought it was a satire and wanted to know if anyone knew about it...the idea of Bush as a spy seemed ludicrous. I hoped someone would tell me what it was. I must say I was disturbed by the nasty replies I got to my question. so thanks again.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:38 PM
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26. Bush sounds like Teddy Salad
"They were masters of disguise, capable of passing themselves off as immigrants, women, even large animals."

An old Monty Python skit. Bush would have been at home with Mrs. S.C.U.M. and Mr. Neutron, as well. Heroes all.
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:18 PM
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19. Wasn't the "Colorado Unit" a sort of disciplinary limbo?
I'm sure I read a post right here on DU a long time ago that said a non-compliant guard member who was in trouble for not serving out his committment was put on a list based in Colorado as a sort of procedural paper-only posting while they figured out what to do about the offender. I know I didn't dream it. Anybody else remember this?
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:32 PM
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25. I heard the same thing, it was a disciplinary unit
wtf?
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:22 PM
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22. OF COURSE CNN.....
hires a consultant to push the Bush line without any facts...even Larry Korb, a Reagan guy, thinks Bush went AWOL.....Of course CNN does not talk to him!
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 06:55 PM
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6. ABC Terry Moran did fluff on gw* guard duty
Terry Moran is a pos. It sure seems to me that he favors repugs when reporting.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:05 PM
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15. Terry Moran of ABC
That's an interesting last name Terry's got, isn't it? ;)
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:13 PM
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17. Is he the prototype? n/t
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:11 PM
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16. I saw that too...
ABC/Disney is doing a stellar job of trying to save aWol*s ass...

:grr:
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 07:59 PM
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13. Kick
Kick Bush's ass too.....BWHAHAHA
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:02 PM
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14. Link to video
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:38 PM
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27. OMG, I can't believe that was shown to millions of Americans...ty Billy!
Bush is such a scumbag.

PB
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HannibalBarca Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:40 PM
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28. Treason
There was yet another anti Kerry Vet on the "fair and balanced" Hannity & Colmes and get this, he accused John Kerry of TREASON!.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:49 PM
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29. Thinking for yourself is treason, according to these idiots
Kerry ended up publicly opposing an immoral war after he saw it up close, so he is a traitor. Bush supported the immoral war, after doing everything possible to avoid it (and succeeding), so he is a hero.

Ergo, thinking critically and opposing war is treason. Free speech is also treason.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:54 PM
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31. wow. I didn't know Coulter was attempting the ad business
:)
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 08:51 PM
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30. Another pic of W on the job
Missouri Tuesday

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-08-04 11:49 PM
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33. Kick.
:kick:

Bwaaahahahahahahaha!

:evilgrin:

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:19 AM
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34. Links to 4 Killian Memos
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:33 AM
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35. kick
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 09:39 PM
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36. kick for coked-up cut-and-run frat boys with a sense of entitlement
:kick:
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