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QuietStorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 01:56 AM
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Commandments Monument Backers File Suit
Edited on Tue Aug-26-03 07:16 PM by Skinner
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MONTGOMERY, Ala. Aug. 25 —

Supporters asked a federal court Monday to block the removal of a Ten Commandments monument from the Alabama Judicial Building while the judge who put the marker there said he's up against those who "are offended at looking at God's words."

The lawsuit to block the monument's removal was filed in federal court in Mobile on behalf of a Christian radio talk show host and a pastor. It says a forced removal would violate the constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion.

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Chief Justice Roy Moore installed the monument in the building's rotunda two years ago, and was suspended by a state judicial ethics panel last week for disobeying a federal court order to remove the 5,300-pound granite marker.

In a brief speech Monday, Moore told a cheering crowd he would fight to return to his elected position and said the case against him is based not on something he did wrong but because "I've kept my oath."

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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 02:01 AM
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1. Like their side said in Dec. 2000...
"You Lost! GET OVER IT!"
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mjb4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 04:04 AM
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2. the irony....the graven image today
is the Ten commandments..these stupid people obviously do not know the story of Moses and the ten commandments...god has never told them to protect a 3 ton block of granite..
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Not a robought Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 04:10 AM
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3. Sometimes I wonder about those here that I share God's soil with
Edited on Tue Aug-26-03 04:11 AM by Nota_Robought
Having this man made chunk of rock sit in the court's rotunda is about as holy as dubya on a Segway.

God has no concern for the man made laws of Alabama. He cares not about state highway patrol and traffic tickets. He doesn't spend days pondering corporate patent violations. God is above and away from the politics and showmanship of the courtroom setting and I don't think cares much for man made and paid for polished chiselled rocks either.

Neither the courts nor the 10 commandments lend each other respect through association. Rather, placing this symbol in the rotunda invites speculation and mockery. It brings the 10 commandments down to the level of scorn and buffoonery. This is why it has no place there.

Other than thou shalt not kill and thou shalt not steal, where else do the commandments have a foundation in American man made law?

Nowhere.

I rest my case.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 04:25 AM
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4. Well, they will lose
unless we end up with another SCOTUS travesty.

Of course we could then put up a statute of Mary and a font of Holy Water.

No one is trampling on the rights of Christians. No one is denying their faith. No one is crushing religious liberty. I'd be the first person to stand with them if that were true. But, freedom from someone else's religion is being is being violated each hour Moore's monument continues to remain where it is standing.
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DCDemo Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 07:24 AM
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6. If they win, then anyone living in Alabama will have the right to put
A religious sculpture on public property....so enough activism, and Alabama can no longer do the public's business because there will be no room indoors.

I don't see why this has anything to do with religion. It's quite simple to me.

No person has the right to put his private property on public land, and if anyone does, then everyone does.

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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 07:05 AM
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5. Offended at looking at God's words
Edited on Tue Aug-26-03 07:05 AM by rock
OK, offended at looking at what Christians say are God's words. Yeah, I am. What about it?
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 06:17 PM
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7. QuietStorm
Per DU copyright rules
please post only 4
paragraphs from the
news source.


Thank you.

NYer99
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kengineer Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 06:28 PM
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8. Hi
Edited on Tue Aug-26-03 06:29 PM by kengineer
What do I believe? (note, this is my first post and it seems it's in the wrong position. I meant it as a response to the original beginning of this thread.)

I believe that people who follow Judaism, Christianity, and Islam exist in a state of delusion. This is what I believe. I'm not saying I know it for an ABSOLUTE fact. For me to know that I would have to have been "the creator" of this blue ball called planet earth.

I follow a religion I term the Genetics Religion so that's out of the way.

I think if people wish to have freedom for their religion they should be able to do so, somewhere... question is where?

We have separation of church and state. Change is eternal so let's not get caught up thinking that our constitution is "all that."

This United States was, essentially, founded by Christians for Christians. It has systematically been changed over the past 150 years. That change is continuing. My point here is, should there be a place upon this planet where Christians can live by rules they are happy with? If so, where is that place?

I believe in both individual and group freedoms and finding the best balance between those two. Group freedoms exist because groups are nothing more than a collection of individuals choosing to gather into the group.
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