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fsbooks Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:02 AM
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US tried to plant WMDs, failed: whistleblower
According to a stunning report posted by a retired Navy Lt Commander and 28-year veteran of the Defense Department (DoD), the Bush administration’s assurance about finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq was based on a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) plan to “plant” WMDs inside the country. Nelda Rogers, the Pentagon whistleblower, claims the plan failed when the secret mission was mistakenly taken out by “friendly fire”, the Environmentalists Against War report.

Nelda Rogers is a 28-year veteran debriefer for the DoD. She has become so concerned for her safety that she decided to tell the story about this latest CIA-military fiasco in Iraq. According to Al Martin Raw.com, “Ms Rogers is number two in the chain of command within this DoD special intelligence office. This is a ten-person debriefing unit within the central debriefing office for the Department of Defense.”

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_12-8-2003_pg1_9
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:03 AM
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1. ***YAWN***
This has been posted many times and every time the only source is Al Martin Raw.

Next we'll find out that BatBoy has been hiding the WMD's all along....
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MUAD_DIB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:12 AM
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4. Hey don't diss BatBoy....

He has special creepy powers.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:18 AM
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6. plus, he's kinda sexy
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:19 AM
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8. But he has WMDs, so of course he's evil!
Besides, he supported Whistle Ass in 2000. If that doesn't make him evil, nothin' does.
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GregW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 11:26 AM
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15. BatBoy's already in the White House!
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:06 AM
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2. Find an American news source and maybe Americans will believe it
Not that I'm critical of Pakistani news, but this won't pass muster with American people who still think that Osama and Saddam are best buddies!
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lindashaw Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:12 AM
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3. Is there a way to get a reputable agency to look at this and verify?
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:16 AM
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5. American News Reliable?
I have no idea if this story is true, but if were waiting for American news media to report something bad about this war, we may wait for ever. All Americans hope something like this can't be true, but I put nothing past the Bush neo-cons.
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lindashaw Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:19 AM
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7. Found some other sources who have printed this...
US tried to plant WMDs, failed:http://www.coastnet.com/dhouston/dailytimesaug12-03.htmlwhistleblower


US tried to plant WMDs, failed: whistleblower

Daily Times Monitor

http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2003/08/52370.php



CIA and DoD Attempted To Plant WMDs in Iraq — and Failed

July 2, 2003
Pentagon Whistleblower Reveals CIA/DoD Fiascos

http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/edit/index.php?op=view&itemid=331
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:21 AM
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9. Your first link is broken
And as with the above listed source, AlMartinRaw.com is the ultimate source for this.

Again, World News Daily claiming Batboy has the WMDs would be a more credible source.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:22 AM
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10. I believe this story because
...the Pentagon whistleblower claims the plan failed when the secret mission was mistakenly taken out by “friendly fire”...

The way things have been going, I can damn sure belive THAT!


rocknation







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Pocho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 09:51 AM
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11. AND WHAT IS IT THAT'S CONSIDERED REPUTABLE HERE?
Is creditability the sole domain of the same US news sources that are continually bashed on this board for being biased and controlled? We found out from them that Hussein was bad for he had weapons of mass destruction and was certainly in league with Bin Laden. They taught us to accept the 5 to 4 decision of 2000 and continue believing a democracy lives while playing who ya for in 2004. We learned from them in 2002 that 18,181 vote margins for five winning republican congressmen is well within the realm of expected probabilities. They reported the phony carrier landing off Iraq as though it did not take place in San Diego Harbor. Really creditable.

Oh, perhaps a British or Canadian source would be OK. They're white and speak English like everyone should.

Perhaps It it is time to begin to consider what the rest of the world reads, hears, and considers credible.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 11:25 AM
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14. Who is "THEM?"
Are you talking about how the sheeple listen to the news or how it is reported? If this shows up in www.indiatimes.com or some other source I may believe it. All of the links that show up when you do a search on "Nelda Rogers" are bunk.

Face it..

Smoke a joint and relax...
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 10:50 AM
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12. Should we wait for the softcover ?
Is this story is to current? maybe its just me

http://www.khilafah.com/home/category.php?DocumentID=7629&TagID=2
CIA and DOD Attempted To Plant WMD In Iraq

uploaded 26 Jun 2003

“According to Ms. Rogers, there was a covert military operation that took place both preceding and during the hostilities in Iraq,” reports Al Martin Raw.com, an online subscriber-based news/analysis service which provides “Political, Economic and Financial Intelligence.”

Al Martin is a retired Lt. Commander (US Navy), the author of a memoir called “The Conspirators: Secrets of an Iran Contra Insider, " and he is considered one of America's foremost experts on corporate and government fraud.
Ms. Rogers reports that this particular covert operation team was manned by ex-military personnel and that “the unit was paid through the Department of Agriculture in order to hide it, which is also very commonplace.”

According to Al Martin Raw.com, “the Ag Department has often been used as a paymaster on behalf of the CIA, DIA, and NSA and others."
Accordng to the Al Martin Raw.com story, another aspect of Ms. Rogers' report concerns a covert operation which was to locate the assets of Saddam Hussein and his family, including cash, gold bullion, jewelry and assorted valuable antiquities.

The problem became evident when “the operation in Iraq involved 100 people, all of whom apparently are now dead, having succumbed to so-called ‘friendly fire.’ The scope of this operation included the penetration of the Central Bank of Iraq, other large commercial banks in Baghdad, the Iraqi National Museum and certain presidential palaces where monies and bullion were secreted.”
(snip)
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 11:22 AM
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13. This story is bullshit...
Who is "Nelda Rogers"

Where is she now? This story is bunk...

Here's what else this hero of whistleblowers was involved in. Everyone should write down the websites this name appears in and deam them unfit of journalism.

http://www.radioleft.com/article.php?op=Print&sid=1178
"Nelda Rogers also headed up the special debriefing unit, which debriefed NASA engineers and other personnel after the Columbia shuttle blew apart. They have tape recordings and other evidence, which indicates that NASA was well aware of the existing problems with the spacecraft – and yet they chose not to install sensors which would have detected the problem early and allowed countermeasures to be taken. It was evidently all not done for reasons of cost."
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pschoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 01:25 PM
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17. You missed the best part, Chandra Levy, LOL
"The Department of Defense whistleblower continues with her information about the NASA Columbia Disaster Cover-up and more details on the Chandra Levy Murder Cover-up story. "

This person seems to have all the info on every hot story of the past 3 years.

Supposedly she also has an office at the Redstone Arsenal(not sure why) and that this is where this CovertOps weapons planters were trained.

So not only are we to believe she debriefed them in Germany, but that she was aware of this through her Redstone Arsenal connection. This person seems to get around. Also this team was to also target Husseins assets and seize them. Actually the story is so convoluted, I can't make out if this was the same team or a differnt team, and both just happened to be all killed by friendly fire.


This story stinks

Patrick Schoeb
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-03 12:55 PM
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16. kick
coz I don't put anything past this mob.
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