Remains 'Belonged to woman' - mother killed by IRA in 1977 found?

[Pert_UK]

"Human remains found in County Louth, near a site where the IRA claimed to have buried a mother-of-ten, have been identified as belonging to a woman.

Jean McConville was abducted from her west Belfast home in 1972, after she went to the aid of a fatally wounded British soldier outside her front door.

The 37-year-old was one of the so-called Disappeared who were murdered by the IRA and secretly buried during the 1970s. "

Full story, lest we forget the atrocities of Northern Ireland:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3186635.stm

[Maple]

1. Your 'full story'

kinda forgot a thousand years of atrocities against the Irish by the English hmmm?

[FlemingsGhost]

2. Thanks, Maple.

"Lest we forget," indeed.

[Pert_UK]

4. Oh yeah, sorry, I forgot to mention the dinosaurs too.........

Look, I know you've got issues about this but how about a bit of sense, eh?

I SPECIFICALLY didn't refer to IRA atrocities as I am acutely aware of the murders committed by both Protestant paramilitaries and the British Army (Bloody Sunday, for example) as well as by Republican groups.

I deliberately chose to visit Kilmainham Gaol when I was in Dublin because I wanted to understand the issues that have led to so much violence from all sides in Ireland. I have seen and read about the appalling treatment handed out to Irish rebels by British forces and it sickened me.

I am at least vaguely aware of the history of suffering of the Irish under English rule, over many years.

Do I think that any of this needs to be included in a story about finding the body of a mother who was killed by the IRA for helping a man who she found dying on her doorstep? No, I don't. Do I think that "crimes" committed hundreds of years ago by the English army justify the IRA killing this woman? Oddly, no I don't.

Do I think that you should consider that huge chip on your shoulder before you post off-hand, knee-jerk and ignorant comments like that?

Yes. Yes I do.

I'm happy to have a sensible, reasonable and friendly debate with you about anything including this topic, Maple, but don't make fucking assumptions about me just because I post a story about an IRA killing and I happen to be from the UK.

Peace.

P.

[Maple]

7. Nothing to do with dinosaurs

It has to do with English atrocities only weeks old, chum.

Perhaps if you were more than 'vaguely aware' of what's gone on in Ireland for generations because of the English....and as recently as last month....you wouldn't be on here talking about any 'full story' while mentioning only one teensy portion of it....the part that makes the IRA look bad, without ever mentioning any background.

Do I think you can stuff your big chip you-know-where?

Yes I do.

With bells on.

[Pert_UK]

9. Thank you for proving my point.....

You've made assumptions about me and seem to be sticking to them.

I posted a news story about something the IRA had done and made a non-partisan comment about remembering the violence in NI. I could assume that if I'd posted a story about British Intelligence collusion with known Loyalist terrorists you would still have brought up British repression in Ireland, but I doubt whether you'd have chimed in with "But let's not forget that the IRA and INLA have been doing bad things too!". However, I don't want to make the same mistake as you, so I won't make that assumption - nor will I make any assumptions about where your biases lie, despite the clear temptation to do so.

If you want to share details about these weeks-old English atrocities I would be happy to discuss them with you. I am currently on holiday and am not picking up as much UK news as I'd like to, so I have no knowledge of the subject you're talking about.

However, if you're genuinely saying that I can't post a story about something the IRA has done without adding caveats about British tyranny then I think you've misunderstood the point of LBN. You should also note that "Full story" is what I write in 99% of my LBN posts when referring to the URL link which holds the story from which I've taken quotes. It is farcical to assume that I was suggesting that a BBC story about a specific event represented the full story of Ireland's troubles.

Also, I responded politely, albeit passionately, to what I considered to be a personal attack, and observed that I thought you had biases judging from your comment. I don't think that there's any need to get abusive, thanks all the same.

Peace.

P.

[Maple]

11. I didn't prove your point chum

Your comment wasn't non-partisan. If it was, I wouldn't have bothered replying.

All you needed to do was post the news story.

Your comments added an unnecessary bias.

I corrected it.

Happy holiday.

[Pert_UK]

13. "Full story, lest we forget the atrocities of Northern Ireland"

"Full story" means "Here's a link to the full story on the BBC website, from which I have taken quotes". You'll notice that I took the first 3 paragraphs of the story and pasted them without any editing or reference to other members of the Disappeared, as mentioned in the article. I stuck to the story mentioned - the discovery of a woman's body.

"lest we forget the atrocities of Norther Ireland" means "let's not forget (in this time of global terror and war) that there have been countless acts of violence in Northern Ireland (and that the situation remains unresolved)".

I acknowledge that you COULD interpret that as a partisan remark, but only by making assumptions about me and my views. You made those assumptions, I've corrected them, and yet you're still determined to fight me on it. Why not simply acknowlege that you over-reacted, given that we both seem to be vaguely on the same side?

Am I happy to criticise the IRA's killing of a woman in the name of a Free Ireland? Of course.
Am I equally happy to criticise the British Military's massacre on Bloody Sunday? Of course.
Am I happy to condemn the enforced starvation of the Irish population at the hands of the British? Of course.

You seem totally unwilling to look at my comments without making prior assumptions about my views, you make dogmatic statements without reference to my argument and you seem violently opposed to even the mere possibility that you just MIGHT have misjudged me.

I know where I stand but I'm happy to debate my position, hear new opinion and reconsider my own, but you've repeatedly ignored my offer of sensible discussion. You can continue shouting with your fingers in your ears but it does you no credit.

Pert.

[bunk76]

3. Lest we forget....

http://www.ict.org.il/inter_ter/orgdet.cfm?orgid=72
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVF

[Pert_UK]

5. See my post above.

Jesus Christ, it's a story about an IRA victim and now I have to post a point-by-point comparison against Protestant Paramilitaries?

Peace.

P.

[bunk76]

6. Pert...

I got your point,just wanted balance.

PEACE

[Pert_UK]

8. I understand, but......

Every time there's a Palestinian suicide bomb I have to include a note about Israeli government killings?

Every time a US soldier gets killed I have to include a note about civilian deaths during the assault on Iraq?

Every time Al Qaeda blow up an Embassy I have to include a story about Western suppression of Islam, dating back to the Crusades?

I was reporting a news story - OK, I dropped in a note about remembering the violence in NI, but it wasn't a partisan note - and that's all I was doing.

I'm not happy that people have chosen to interpret it in a very specific way and made offensive implications about me based on them.

Peace.

P.

[bunk76]

10. Pert....

I understand your point exactly about having to add notes to your posts for balance.I added the links for those that might not have a complete grasp of the of the "troubles" that have gone on for years in Northern Ireland.

PEACE

[Pert_UK]

14. Thanks.

I appreciate your comments and take them in the spirit in which they were intended.

:hi:

All the best.

P.

[Skittles]

15. they do the same with the Israel/Palestine threads

it is sickening

[Pert_UK]

16. Thanks for the support Skittles.

:hi:

P.

[aquart]

12. Yes, darlings, hug your grudges.

Guarantee more mothers and sons will die.

For god's sake! You're both Christians, Irish and English! You LOOK ALIKE.

Both of you occupy much the same bit of ground and neither of you is going anywhere. How hard is that to figure out?

When will you testosterone-laden clunches call it even? Do you need six more graves in the bleeding earth? Ten? Ten thousand?

Hutus and Tutsis, Israelis and Palestinians, Irish and Irish, soccer fans, your excuses for killing each other are ridiculous.

Nobody has a past of clean unbloody hands. Nobody. No people so virtuous they didn't kill to get or keep their land. Accusing anyone else with the blood still dripping from our hands is hypocritical at best. Using it as an excuse to kill more? Ridiculous.

Go stand in the corner and be ashamed of yourselves.