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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 07:52 AM
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Iran says it has missile with 1,250-Mile Range (Reuters)
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=6415128

But, remember, keep your eyes on the ball people. Iraq WAS and IS the imminent threat.
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 07:53 AM
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1. I thought the invasion of Iraq was putting everyone on notice. Too bad we
didn't notice all of them are still building missiles with enough range to fuck our allies.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 07:59 AM
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2. Bush: "Bring it on camel jockeys!"
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iceman_419 Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 08:13 AM
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3. Iran also said...
that it makes the best pancakes. I find that hard to believe, but not the fact that they might have a missle or two. Listen legally I don't think there is anything we can do abut Iran haveing Nukes and I don't see them as a threat to us. As long as the internatinall community works to contain Iran, until we figure out some sort of deal. The same can be said about N. Korea, which I think is more dangerous. Also what would happen if the arab countries decided that they aren't going to recognize the new Iraq? Does that lead to more sh*t hitting the fan?
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Dufaeth Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 08:19 AM
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4. I make the best pancakes
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 08:20 AM by Dufaeth
eom
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 08:42 AM
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5. So that is why Bush said, "..you fire ; we're going to shoot it down."
link, http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/printDS/41773.php

apparently Bush didn't understand that the program doesn't work and probably never will.. it is just a $$Giveaway$$ to military contractor$

More absolute proof that Bush is REALLY STUPID, reckless and dangerous.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:03 AM
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6. Syria makes the best pancakes. They're next!
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:34 AM
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7. France makes the best pancakes.
Oh shit, I'm going to hell now.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 12:24 PM
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25. I don't know if France makes the best pancakes...
...But we can ask Karen Hughes. She was born in Paris.
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chrislrob Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:46 AM
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8. Iceman, this is not an attack on you, but I disagree....
First of all, there sure as hell IS something we can do about Iran having nukes. The problem is that with out troops committed elsewhere, we can't do it. But we SHOULD do something about it. Would that I could go back in time and prevent the creation of nuclear weapons. But I can't. So I'm stuck with this--the fewer countries that have them the better. Yes, I know it's not fair and yes, I think any country that doesn't want them must be stupid. Nukes seem to do wonders for cooling the ardor of the empire builders--ask North Korea.

But I still don't want them to have them.

Nuclear Iran IS a threat. If they are a threat to our allies, they are a threat to US because we have to get involved. Are you really ready to pop the cork on the champagne that is nuclear strikes? And how the hell do you "contain" a hostile country's nuclear weapons?

The shame of this administration is that we've wasted blood and treasure on a low-level threat and now we don't have those resources for a much clearer danger. Mark my words, in 10 years all will be revealed--we are in Iraq because 1. We looked like idiots chasing OBL around Afghanistan and needed to kick the ass of a REAL counry. 2. Bush Jr. wanted to "finish the war" in Iraq that his daddy didn't, like a teenager finally besting his pops in backyard hoops. 3. He wanted revenge on the man that tried to kill his daddy. 4. A distant fourth in my opinion, oil.

We'll see.

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bendeminga Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 09:50 AM
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9. At the risk of being flamed...
I totally agree. Well said.
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ugarte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 10:17 AM
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11. So you wouldn't have a problem with Bush invading Iran?
Wow. Send your kids, not mine.
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bendeminga Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 10:54 AM
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13. I wouldn't have a problem with Kerry invading Iran.
WTF? They march the military in the streets with signs saying they are going to kill the great America and Isreal. That's a threat. You don't have a problem with that? I don't know about you, but I would rather take it to them than take a shot like we did on our civilian targets.
I'm glad that my kids will stand up for this country to protect the kids that don't go, like yours.
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found object Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:27 AM
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20. political posturing
Iran has been under threat for decades by the West. Believe me, They want to make money like any other country out there, and blowing up Israel or the U.S. doesn't fit into that equation.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 12:02 PM
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21. Just who is or has Iran ever threatened?
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 12:03 PM by Bandit
What was the last country Iran invaded. Now what was the last country the US invaded. In the terms of the world the US is by far the most severe threat. Some countries especially those with significant natural resources feel they need to protect themselves. I do not recall Iran invading any country. Remeber they were invaded by Iraq not the other way around. Other than South Korea I don't recall North Korea invading any other country either. How many countries can you name that the US invaded in just the last fifty years. Iraq, Panama, Grenada, Vietnam, Korea, Honderas, I'm sure there are more I just can't recall them at the moment. If these invasions hadn't of happened we may not have experienced 9-11. I think our foreign policy of invading weak nations on a whim is what makes us less safe not the other way around.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 12:34 PM
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26. And how would America respond if
the US found itself surrounded by an aggressive, resource-hungry hyperpower with a track record second-to-none of conducting covert actions, bombing campaigns and outright invasions?

Iran is demonstrating restraint, even as it declares its intention to defend itself.
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 10:13 AM
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10. Oh dear,
do YOU even believe you on the nukes question? Iran is on the axis of evil 'checklist' and have a right to take steps to acquire a 'deterrent' against invasion. Thats what hapened to Iraq, an illegal invasion, and if bunnypants gets elected (I won't say re-elected and insult anybodys intellegence) Iran could be next. So let them have nukes, they still have hundreds less than Israel and so will not be using them against Israel as a first strike.

Tripmann

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chrislrob Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 12:42 PM
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27. Like I said, Tripmann

I understand WHY they want nuclear weapons. And I think that arguments that they want them solely because they are evil, are stupid and hypocritical.

And yes, the nagging hypocrisy of it all makes the warning bells of my soul gong like a buddhist dinner bell.

Yet, I STILL don't think we should let them have them.

If you could do away with nukes tomorrow--all of them--would you?

I would.

But I can't.

And yes, I would be okay with KERRY going into Iran to neutralize any nuclear threat. I'm not a warmonger, simply a practical man. As for *, I wouldn't want him in charge of raiding a crackhouse.





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found object Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:06 AM
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17. wrong, less to do with ideology
The reason we don't want Iran to have nukes is not for their want of destroying our allies (an absurd thought if you carry out that scenario) but rather to placate their bargaining powers in the Geo-political arena (i.e., controlling the movement of resources, especially throughout the Caspian Sea region. And I should add, the sale of enriched uranium which would cut into General Electric's near monopoly.) Take a look at whats happening in North Korea and see what economic goodies they'll be getting as a result of the multi-lateral "negotiations" taking place right now.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 10:51 AM
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12. Maybe Iran was bragging about its barbari
Edited on Tue Oct-05-04 10:57 AM by gottaB
Sangak, lavash, taftoon, naan?

I make naan with yoghurt. I don't think that's a Persian thing, but it's pretty good. I also make pretty good Swedish pancakes. Swedish pancakes are the best.

Emerging nuclear powers make me nervous. For a while there it I thought for sure India and Pakistan were on the verge of annihilating each other. What a mess that would have made!

I'm not sure how well Iran understands the consequences of going nuclear. There's so much hostility and mistrust all around. Would you really want to bring up an atom bomb in that kind of environment?

Hmm.
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shadu Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 10:59 AM
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14. I wanna hear more about these Swedish pancakes!
Please give us your recipe.
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 12:10 PM
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22. Oh, nothing fancy
eggs (4), flour (1 cup), milk (1.5 cups) give or take. You know, not all flours are the same, or milks or eggs, so you have to adjust. Maybe I'll grind a little nutmeg.

You have to whip it up pretty good, with an egg beater or a whisk.

The key is getting the pan the right temperature. Not too hot.

I use olive oil--my mom would freak. I guess I'm just used to using olive oil for everything. I like the way it gets hot without burning.

When the pan is hot, and the oil is hot, and you've spread the all over the pan, then you pour in 28 grams of fissionable materi--Oops. Got my wire crossed. Then you pour in about 1/2 cup of batter (depends on how big your pan is, I suppose) and spread it around the pan, you know, with your wrist.

Let it firm up. Then take a spatula and flip it. Let it brown. This side will go quicker. Then you flip it in half, and half again.

The first one may be spongy or too oily. You can toss it, compost it, give it to the dog, set it aside for yourself, whatever. Don't serve a spongy Swedish pancake. After the pan is seasoned, they should turn out right.

They take a while to cook, but they cool fast. I usually just serve them right up and eat mine last. You can also keep them warm on a plate in the oven at like 200. Don't serve them cold.

We usually eat them with butter (yoghurt butter, less calories) and powdered sugar. For my mom or others I will have warm maple syrup. Sometimes I'll make apples with cinnamon. That's fancy. It's good that way, but I like them plain.
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Tripmann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:05 AM
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16. Maybe.....
..after witnessing what hapened to their neighbour who was also on the axis of evil list, Iran are more concerned with the consequences of NOT going nuclear.

Tripmann
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 12:24 PM
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24. Well, the axis of evil speech was threatening but Iraq is a mess
I suppose it's a matter of how crazy Iran thinks the US is. I would hope that cooler heads will prevail, but I won't be placing any bets.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:20 AM
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19. The little round pancakes? Shaped in a ball? I LOVE those!
They're the COOLEST little things!
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gottaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 12:12 PM
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23. so Iran isn't lying? No, they must be lying.
Swedish pancakes are the best.
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shadu Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:02 AM
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15. I hope they have nuclear warheads to go with that
The race is on. Clear nuclear deterrence is the only way
to stop the US. Syria better have 'em or they better
buy 'em pronto. Kerry might get in this time, but
those neocons ain't thru with us yet.
They will be back with a vengeance!
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-05-04 11:19 AM
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18. Is that IRAN or IRAQ???? Gee, didn't we see this same headline in 2002?
I'm so confused.
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