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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 09:25 PM
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Scores of Freed Mink Feed on Farm Animals
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=624&ncid=757&e=10&u=/ap/20030829/ap_on_sc/mink_liberation

Days after 10,000 mink were released from a farm in southern Snohomish County, hundreds of the animals not yet captured have converged on local farms in search of food.

The animals had killed at least 25 exotic birds and attacked other livestock in the area.

"Over half our livestock was shredded. Murdered. Eaten alive," said Jeff Weaver, who discovered the dead birds on his farm Thursday. "These are not like regular farm animals. They're our pets."

Weaver, who breeds Indian Runner ducks and Banny chickens, said his field was full of the animals Thursday morning.

"One of the mink had part of a chicken in its mouth and was headed for the creek," he said. "They're starving. They'll kill anything in their path."

The mink also killed Weaver's geese, chicken and ducks, as well as wounded a dog and ate a 50-pound bag of bird feed. With an estimated loss of $2,000, he said he plans to improve fences, set traps and, if necessary, use a shotgun to fend off future assaults.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 09:38 PM
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1. i saw this last week
Edited on Fri Aug-29-03 09:43 PM by rchsod
these stupid asses that release minks are the dumbist bastards i`ve ever seen .minks are not wild animals,they either die of stravation or get killed by cars..these guys did this in the northern suburbs of chicago a few years ago ..most of the mink were found and the rest turned up dead. that`s really saving the animals isn`t it? dumb fucks.....
oh ya..if they survive then they multiply ,then they start killing smaller game animals, then those are decrease in population,on and on..if you live on the edges of most towns you`ll see racoons,deer and sometimes fox,why? lack of predaters and food.
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splatbass Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 09:42 PM
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3. If they really cared about animals
They would realize the environmental damage caused by introducing species into an area where they don't belong. I wouldn't be as conserned for farm animals as for native animals. I don't know if there are any endangered species in that area, but if there are these "animal rights" activists could cause their extinction.
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Dufaeth Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 09:41 PM
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2. Let my people go...
And god released a plague of mink upon the land.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 09:54 PM
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4. LOL
Talk about yer upscale plague!
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GemMom Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 10:03 PM
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5. Let me guess.........
It's the ALF (Animal Liberation Front) at it again - the ALF is the animal "wing" of the ELF.
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Alex146 Donating Member (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 10:10 PM
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6. The ELF is more reasonable...
this mink thing is just stupid.

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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 10:15 PM
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7. If you are going to be a radical eco-activist at least do it right!!!
I don't understand how an eco group can be so ignorant of the way ecosystems work. I am 100% against the cruel slaughter of minks for fashionable coats when fake fur is cheaper and just as good these days. Still releasing the animals to the wild is just stupid. I feel bad for the Minks just as much as the animals that they are preying upon they are just doing what nature has programmed them to do. Actions like these give real environmental activists a bad name and provide guys like Limbaugh with bogus ammo.
Scott
A proud ferret owner who is upset for the minks and the birds they are predating on. As usual the ultimate blame lands on us meddling humans :)
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Ferretherder Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:53 AM
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10. Couldn't agree more, minkyboodle.
I only have a lone female ferret, Kashi, now, and love the little baby to death, so I FEEL for her little cousins and their ultimate sacrifice for outdated fashion trends. However, I cannot understand how any IDIOT would not think things through and imagine the consequences of his or her actions in regards to 'freeing' several thousand captive animals in a strange and unnatural environment and making them fend for themselves for food, shelter, etc.

Gives ALL animal lovers and activists an UNDESERVED bad name.

By the way, welcome to DU!
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minkyboodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 07:58 PM
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23. thanks for the welcome
Ferret Herding huh.. Talk about an impossible job :) Our 5 weasels herd us as they chase our feet!!!
Scott
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Ferretherder Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:05 PM
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24. To use a VERY old 'jive' sayin' - ...
...you ain't NEVER lied!...

...in reference to your babies herding YOU!
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 10:55 PM
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8. Gee, where's all the PETA folks?
They haven't jumped all over this yet about how the ALFs aren't the bad guys, but the Mink farmers?

What is it about fur-animals and lab animals? They're ALWAYS getting inflicted on the wild populations, but you never hear about any ALFs letting loose a herd of cattle or a pig farm...
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 12:35 AM
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9. your right
animals should ALL be treated kindly.
We all love out pets but most of us could care less about the cruel bloody slaughter houses that provide burgers for the fastfood chains.

those poor animals
they die piece by piece

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/1358


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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:25 AM
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15. Here's an excerpt from the excellent article AunteeWar posted
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nhnenews/message/1358

PASCO, Wash.--It takes 25 minutes to turn a live steer into steak at the
modern slaughterhouse where Ramon Moreno works. For 20 years, his post was
"second-legger," a job that entails cutting hocks off carcasses as they
whirl past at a rate of 309 an hour.

The cattle were supposed to be dead before they got to Moreno. But too often
they weren't.

"They blink. They make noises," he said softly. "The head moves, the eyes
are wide and looking around."

Still Moreno would cut. On bad days, he says, dozens of animals reached his
station clearly alive and conscious. Some would survive as far as the tail
cutter, the belly ripper, the hide puller. "They die," said Moreno, "piece
by piece."

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For example, the government took no action against a Texas beef company that
was cited 22 times in 1998 for violations that included chopping hooves off
live cattle. In another case, agency supervisorsfailed to take action on
multiple complaints of animal cruelty at a Florida beef plant and fired an
animal health technician for reporting the problems to the Humane Society.
The dismissal letter sent to the technician, Tim Walker, said his dislosure
had "irreparably damaged" the agency's relations with the packing plant.

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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:11 PM
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25. Gonna play Devil's Advocate here, and probably gonna get flamed
Note: I do NOT condone dismembering animals alive, or inflicting undue pain on them such as that they are subjected to on factory farms. While I did grow up on a farm, it was a small family farm that treated our animals far better than any factory farm I have seen.

However, here is the Devil's Advocate part: how is an animal being butchered while still alive any different than a deer or wildebeast being torn apart and partially eaten while still alive by wolves or hyeanas? It is a fact that often times some predators start to eat while the prey is still alive.

One explanation to my own question is that humans, being the most intelligent species on the planet, shouldn't be stooping to this level of animalism. That wouldn't nullify the fact that this still happens in nature quite often, though. Again, I'm not trying to start a flame war, only pointing out a question that came to mind.
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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:31 PM
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26. there are various ways to take this argument
first, there is the issue of morals, ethics etc. for all practical purposes, humans are the only animals (and we are animals) that have created morals and ethics. the issue gets very grey with high primates--gorillas and chimpazees etc. which is why using them in experiments to me is especially morally repugnant. non-human animals mostly go on instinct without moral or ethical attachments to their actions. ethics and morals are human creations and therefor can really only be used on human actions. and while i dont like it when my cats bring in insects into the house to play and then eat, they dont have something that can qualify their own actions as moral or immoral.

and if we are going on morally what humans should do, a quote comes to mind. "tend to the beam in thine own eye, before you look for the splinter in thy neighbors."

second is just the basic numbers of animals killed. now while i do not know the amount of animals killed by predators, i do know that anywhere between 6 and 9 BILLION animals (not including fish and sea animals) are killed every year in america alone to become food. the great majority of those are chickens and chickens have the greatest chance of reaching the slaughtering process alive.

could you imagine the entire population of the planet being killed every year? if the basic concern is to lower the amount of animal cruelty in the world (including animals in the wild) the biggest area for improvement is the animal food industry.
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SaintLouisBlues Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 07:50 AM
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11. When worlds collide
Suppose those were free-range chickens getting ate by the newly free-ranged minks. Would that make
mink coats OK if you could round up enough of these guys?

I hope someone finks on the freer of minks.
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 08:45 AM
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12. "Instant karma gonna get you....." n/t
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:12 AM
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13. There must be a better way to save the mink...
Edited on Sat Aug-30-03 09:16 AM by nu_duer
They should be saved from being murdered, yes?

Obviously having the poor mink run rampant isn't the solution, but that doesn't mean there isn't a need for a solution, even a radical solution, considering lives are at stake.

Maybe the killing machinery could be destroyed?

Or maybe demand for dead animal skins could be eliminated? (Got ink?)

Fur is murder, and murder is wrong.

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dear mr. asskkkroft, please don't misunderestimate my fair and balanced satire; nu_duer in no way advocates any evil-doer type activities - under God

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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 09:22 AM
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14. Save some of your outrage for those who torture animals in factory farms
http://www.peta.org/mc/facts/fswild3.html

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Life on the “Ranch”

To cut costs, fur farmers pack animals into small cages, preventing them from taking more than a few steps back and forth. This crowding and confinement is especially distressing to minks-solitary animals who may occupy as much as 2,500 acres of wetland habitat in the wild.5 The anguish of life in a cage leads minks to self-mutilate-biting at their skin, tails, and feet-and franticly pace and circle endlessly. Zoologists at Oxford University who studied captive minks found that despite generations of being bred for fur, minks have not been domesticated and suffer greatly in captivity, especially if they are not given the opportunity to swim.6 Foxes, raccoons, and other animals suffer equally and have been found to cannibalize each other as a reaction to their crowded confinement. Animals on fur factory farms are fed meat byproducts considered unfit for human consumption. Water is provided by a nipple system which often freezes in the winter or may fail because of human error.

Pests and Parasites

Animals on fur factory farms are more susceptible to diseases than their freeroaming counterparts. Contagious diseases such as pneumonia are passed from cage to cage rapidly, as are fleas, ticks, lice, and mites. And disease-carrying flies thrive in the piles of rotting wastes that collect under the cages for months. Video footage and photos taken by undercover investigators show animals suffering from severe infections and injuries, untreated and left to die slowly.

Unnatural Habitats

Fur factory farm cages are often kept in open sheds that provide little to no protection from wind or harsh weather. Their fur alone is not enough to keep them warm in the winter, and in the summer, minks swelter because they have no water in which to cool themselves. When minks learn to shower themselves by pressing on their drinking water supply nipples, farmers will modify the nipples to cut off even this meager relief.

Poison and Pain

No federal humane slaughter law protects animals on fur factory farms, and killing methods are gruesome. Because fur farmers care only about preserving the quality of the fur, they use slaughter methods that keep the pelts intact but which can result in extreme suffering for the animals. Small animals may be crammed into boxes and poisoned with hot, unfiltered engine exhaust from a truck. Engine exhaust is not always lethal, and some animals wake up while being skinned. Larger animals have clamps or a rod applied to their mouths while rods are inserted into their anuses, and they are painfully electrocuted. Other animals are poisoned with strychnine, which suffocates them by paralyzing their muscles in painful rigid cramps. Gassing, decompression chambers, and neck-snapping are other common fur-farm slaughter methods.

The fur industry refuses to condemn even blatantly cruel killing methods. Genital electrocution, deemed “unacceptable” by the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) 1993 Panel on Euthanasia, is a fur factory farm killing method that causes animals the pain of cardiac arrest while they are fully conscious. In 1994, Indiana became the first state to file criminal charges against a fur factory farm after PETA investigators documented genital electrocution at V-R Chinchillas. The chinchilla fur industry considers electrocution and neck-breaking “acceptable.”

In 1995, one district attorney filed charges against pelt supplier Frank Parsons of Salisbury, Md., for injecting a mixture of rubbing alcohol and weed-killer into the chests of minks. PETA undercover investigators videotaped Parsons using an illegal pesticide, Blackleaf 40, to painfully kill the minks.

Would You Wear Your Dog?

An undercover investigation by the Humane Society of the United States, reported in a 1998 Dateline NBC piece, revealed that dog and cat fur is a multimillion-dollar industry in Asia and found that coats and toys made with domestic dog fur are being sold in the U.S. “There are no federal laws preventing anyone from importing dog and cat fur into this country,” reported Dateline. “If the imported item costs less than $150, the importer doesn’t even have to reveal what it’s made of.” Dateline footage shows a German Shepherd, tail wagging and head stuck in a restraint, moments before he is skinned alive. A cat, crowded in a cage, watches and waits his turn, as one by one, his cagemates are choked, slung up, and hanged just inches away.9 New legislation outlawed the import or sale of clothing containing dog or cat fur, however, the fur still enters the country illegally since it is intentionally mislabeled and can only be detected by expensive DNA testing.

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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 10:41 AM
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16. have you seen "the witness"
not the harrison ford/amish movie.

it goes to the heart of this.

augh!! ive seen it twice but cant really watch it.



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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 12:30 PM
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17. Actually, I had never heard of it before. Thank you
for mentioning it. Sounds great.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1882979125/002-4767557-6089639?v=glance

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Winner of five film festival awards for Best Documentary, The Witness asks its audience to consider how a tough New York City construction contractor could possibly become an impassioned animal activist. Eddie Lama tells the story of his remarkable change of consciousness—how the love of a kitten opened his heart, inspiring him to rescue abandoned animals, become a vegetarian, and ultimately, to bring his message of compassion to the streets. A vivid portrayal of the intellectual and spiritual transformation that brought a man from a life steeped in violence to a life devoted to kindness and service. Featuring the song “Angel” by Sarah McLachlan, The Witness is a story of beauty and transcendence in the face of tragedy and despair.

From Montel Williams’ book, A Dozen Ways to Sunday: Stories of Hope and Courage: “In recognition of his passionate and innovative advocacy for animals , Eddie Lama received the Courage of Conscience Award in June of 2001 from the Peace Abbey in Sherborn, Massachusetts. Past recipients of this award have included the likes of Mother Theresa and the Dalai Lama. Pretty exalted company for a construction contractor who grew up poor in a violent Brooklyn neighborhood, a boy who thought animals were vile, disgusting creatures to avoid at all costs. When you follow the steps of his path to the present day and learn all he has overcome, you’ll see why no one is more surprised than Eddie that his life has turned out the way it has.”

Los Angeles Times, December 8, 2000
The Witness...may be the most important and persuasive film about animals ever made.

--

http://www.spiritualityhealth.com/newsh/items/moviereview/item_2603.html

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Eddie Lama is a middle-aged concrete and aluminum contractor who grew up on the tough streets of Brooklyn. As a child he never had a pet; his parents taught him that animals are dirty. His attitudes changed when he reluctantly agreed to take care of a girlfriend's kitten. His heart went out to the animal and nothing in his life would ever be the same again. Eddie began to rescue cats from the street. Mo Mo, one of these, compelled him to give up a two-pack-a-day cigarette habit when he noticed how small the animals' lungs must be and how it couldn't escape his secondhand smoke. Then while feeling the leg of Bagel, Eddie realized it was shaped just like a drumstick. He became a vegetarian.

But it was the viewing of several undercover films about the trapping and slaughtering of animals for their fur that convinced Eddie to begin a crusade to educate the public about this travesty. He created posters for the sides of his company trucks showing a fox, a skinned fox, and a model in a fox coat. Then he equipped a van with a television monitor and drove through the streets of New York while playing videos of animals in traps, caged at fur farms, and being killed in slaughterhouses. The pictures of pedestrians reacting to the torture and torment of animals are quite moving. Eddie Lama also founded Oasis, a sanctuary for unwanted and abandoned animals.

more...
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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 07:13 PM
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22. the film production company is working on the second film...
about farm sanctuary. i cant wait for that one.

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 03:45 PM
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18. In general, I would like better treatment of animals, but this is dumb
Edited on Sat Aug-30-03 03:46 PM by w4rma

Animal activists argue that while the farm animals' deaths are unfortunate, it proves minks raised in captivity can survive in the wild.

"The amount of suffering that has been prevented by releasing them from cramped cages and freeing them from an extremely cruel death more than justifies a temporary disruption to the ecosystem," said veterinarian Andrew Knight, director of research at the Seattle-based Northwest Animal Rights Network.


And statements like these are dumb, also. "Temporary disruption to the ecosystem"? That means, to me, that he expects all the mink to either die or be captured, rather than becoming part of the ecosystem. And, I don't really think it's a good idea for them to become a part of a totally foreign ecosystem.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 03:54 PM
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19. Wasn't this the subplot of 12 Monkeys and 28 Hours??
Environmentalists think they're doing good, but the do something that makes things worse (28 Hours) or was a red herring, actually (in 12 Monkeys).
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:36 PM
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20. How odd
Someone should have told the PETA guys that Minks are pretty nasty lil f-ers.
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olmy Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 06:40 PM
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21. Are minks in the same genus as Republicans?
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