Abortion Doctor's Killer Expects 'Reward'

[flamingyouth]

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=us&cat=abortion_rights_debate

An unrepentant Paul Hill boasted Tuesday on the eve of his execution for the shotgun slaying of an abortion doctor: "I expect a great reward in heaven." Barring an unlikely last-minute stay, the 49-year-old former minister will be put to death by lethal injection Wednesday evening for the 1994 murders in Pensacola of Dr. John Britton and his escort. Hill has not appealed.

[coralrf]

1. Too bad...

there is no heaven and he was duped. He will die and his life will be gone. That is all.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

2. The fanatics who were on the planes on 9/11 expected 75 virgins as reward

Is it now clear there is NO DIFFERENCE?

[radwriter0555]

30. Actually, that's not true. That interpretation was revised to a completely

different meaning... too early, can't remember.

But it made a good story, didn't it?

[Bake]

73. I heard it was 75 Virginians, and they were PISSED!

Bake

[BlueJazz]

3. This is hard to admit, but even as strong...

....as I feel that the death penalty should be abolished, I have to
admit that a primitive 1% of me would like to jam the needle in this Piece of Shit myself.

[kainah]

10. You and me both, Radicalliberal

It's very hard to keep to my principles when we're talking about executing a Paul Hill or a Ted Bundy. So, today, I decided to revel in the 9th Circuit ruling and not waste any psychic energy feeling guilty that I don't feel any pain for the state-sanctioned murder of Paul Hill. At least we know he is guilty.

[EFF BrandyWine]

18. Me three kainah!

Watching this scum on tv I wanted to throw something at him. The smile on his face made my blood boil. Oh he'll get a reward all right! There is a level in Hell reserved for insignificant slugs like this!

[calimary]

81. Me four, EFF!

n/t

[Drifter]

4. The reward he deserves ...

is Satan sodomizing his rotting skull for all of eternity.

Is this guy any less nuts than the Heavans Gate cult ?

Cheers
Drifter

[zonmoy]

82. actually

wouldnt the punishment for betraying god by using him as an excuse for murder be being chewed on by the devil in a lake of ice forever.

[Robin Hood]

5. I don't think that he is expecting the reward that he's going to get.

Say hi to Tim Mcveigh for me, you piece of crap.

[flamingyouth]

15. Love your sig photos

Micah Wright is the BEST.

[Maccagirl]

6. How many people kill and die for "beliefs"

as opposed to reality? Sickening isn't it?

[Best_man23]

7. A picture of Paul Hill's "reward"

[BiggJawn]

71. Or maybe he'll get THIS...

And then Eternity cleaning Satan's toilet...
Pity none of it will happen.
He'll get "put to sleep", buried, and go feed the worms...

[LosinIt]

8. GRRRHHH!!! Dr. John Britton was an OB-Gyn, an MD

Not an Abortion Doctor. I hate when the media reduces a doctor's career to one procedure (legal I might add) that he happens to perform.

[DODI]

14. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

That is not pointed out enough. When I saw the Yahoo Headline I screamed at it -- lot of good that did. I thought I was the only one who was disgusted by this. I don't feel so alone anymore. Also I wish people would stop calling Women's Health Clinics -- Abortion Clinics.

[Michael Daniels]

29. But he was killed exclusively for providing abortions

and I think that's why it is the main focus as far as how his occupation is concerned.

He wasn't killed for anything else in terms of his function as an OB-GYN.

[Q]

52. The headline ABORTION DOCTOR is more sensational than OB-GYN...

...and that's what selling the news is all about in the New American Media.

- What part of 'thou shalt not kill' do these phony christiians not understand?

[BiggJawn]

70. To call him an "OB-GYN" would Humanize him too much..

If you call him an "ABORTION Doctor", you objectify him. He's no longer a warm, fuzzy Doctor, tending to women and their soon-to-be babies, he's a "BABY KILLER!!!"

"Liberal Media" my Ass.

[Michael Daniels]

80. The only reason this is a front page story is the abortion angle

He was killed because he did abortions, no other reason.
If Hill just shot some OB-GYN because the guy walked funny or whatever other wack job reason then this would be local news.

Given that most people still approve of a woman's right to choose to terminate a pregnancy I don't see how focusing on the abortion factor is a negative bias in this case.

[Fovea]

72. Though it does give me an idea.

We could start calling Dubya "An Invasion President" or 'the invasion president' just to reverse the paradigm.

[KCDem]

9. good riddance.

I generally am anti-death penalty, but this asswipe deserves it.

[ewagner]

11. Heard a newsclip

That Jeb says he will "follow the law"...no reprieve, no commuting of the sentence.

Will this guy be a martyr for more doctor killers?

[zbdent]

12. I would hope his 75 virgins

were big football player types into gay sex, and really, really, really horny.

Kinda on the line of Ahnold's orgy fest.

Only hung like Clarence Thomas' favorite film star.

[Mz Pip]

20. Heee heee heee

That would be sweet. :-)

MzPip
:dem:

[Don_G]

13. Retroactive Birth Control?

His decision and his fate....

[bvar22]

16. What part of "Thou Shalt Not Kill!"...

...did this Xtian minister NOT understand?

Killing in the name of a Christian god baffles me.

[maveric]

17. I bet that he opposed removing the 10 commandments in Alabama

You gotta wonder if some of these religous fundementalist asshole just make up the rules as they go along.
Fuck him and fuck them!

[TahitiNut]

19. Somehow "turn the other cheek" got translated into ...

... "fire another round" in somebody's bible. :eyes:

[Don_G]

23. Suicide Is Suicide

"He" just chose a different path and justified it by "Fundie" principals.

What part of the 10 Commandments don't they understand? I believe there's also a whole lot of stuff about understanding, love and compassion stuffed between Genesis and Revalations.

[californication]

56. Don't forget

the part about justice...

[BlueEyedSon]

21. It cannot be reiterated enough times

that this is the same logic that drove the 9/11 hijackers and all the other whacko Muslim suicide bombers.

[Turbulence]

22. yes he will be met by 16 virgins

probably a fantasy of his.

[Don_G]

24. With A Heaven's Supply Of Viagra?

[sam sarrha]

37. Hey it's Heaven ..its always up........

[sam sarrha]

36. Harem reductions due to flood of Martyrs,but the quality of the virginity

is protected for their men by the Tallaban having prevented them from singing, dancing, flying kites or playing in any way their entire childhood..

[damnraddem]

25. This is reward -- and is it hot!

Don't mind the pitchforks -- that's just part of our marketing.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

26. This "man" should NOT be executed!

As you can see, execution would be a preferable punishment to this fundamentalist nutcase - in his eyes his martydom will be complete and he will be off to get his reward in heaven.

No, I say sentence him to life in maximum security - general population. Let's see how much of a reward that will be for him - constant fear of assault, rape, and possibly even murder, at the hands of men just like him.

That is the only just punishment for scum like this.

[underpants]

28. I agree but WHY WAS HE ALLOWED A PRESS CONFERENCE?!?!?

I know that from time to time there are interviews of convicted murderers (Geraldo's Manson interviewS comes to mind) but why on earth was he given a platform to spew his hate and call for violence?

``More people should act as I have acted,'' Hill added.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Abortion-Execution.html

NBC's The Today show reported that when asked about the 4 bullets sent to 4 Fla. state officials Hill said ~"Those bullets should be pointed at someone."

Today's action (which is wrong to begin with and serves his purpose)is the "last word" on this but why is this murderer allowed to speak to the general public?

I guess in Florida convicted MURDERERS will not be denied their first amendement rights but those that may have commited a felony (or are suspected to be planning one in 2007) are NOT allowed to voice their opinion at the ballot box.

edited for punctuation.

[florida_puppy]

79. That is the one that gets me.....

...when was the last time a death row inmate was given a freaking news conference. I personally wish he would rot in jail for the rest of his life. If there is a hell I am sure he is on the way.

[arwalden]

33. Execution = "Punishment Over"

After he's dead, he won't care. He'll be dead. He won't be being punished anymore.

This is patently unfair. Why should he get out of jail early? Why should his suffering and incarceration end? For "revenge"?

No... he should stay in jail for the rest of his life.

Besides, they really don't need ANOTHER martyr, do they?

-- Allen

[sam sarrha]

38. There is absolutely NO proof that Death is a pentalty...where is the

science? if no science it is religion or opinion. therefore cruel and very unusual. they are GIVING a criminal what he wants... I thought that prison was a place where you didn't get what you wanted as punishment. so lets kill him so we can send him to Heaven?????

[californication]

48. What does science have to do with it

Social order dictates the rule of law in a subculture of society. In this case the rule of law states that for this type of crime there is a penalty called death. How this person chooses to deal with his penalty (citing religous beliefs) is up to him. On occasion Society gets a soft heart and changes the rule of law that specifies the penalty for this type of crime (recent supreme court decision which states that jurys have to issue the death penalty not) and we abide by it.

[mac56]

49. Science, or rational decision-making, has everything to do with it.

If the evidence indicates that the death penalty is not a deterrant to crime - and that it costs much more to put a prisoner to death than to lock him/her up for life - and that in many cases the accused wants to die - - why should "the social order" call for the death penalty? Irrational.

Einstein said that the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over, expecting a different result. Capital punishment hasn't given us a different result, now, has it?

[californication]

53. Now you go and tell me

That David Westerfield deserves to live after what he did to that poor innocent little girl. See what I mean. It is not a deterrent it is justice.

[mac56]

58. So you admit that the death penalty isn't a deterrent.

No, I don't see what you mean.

How is it justice to kill him, rather than keep him locked up for life? Killing him won't deter future similar crimes - you admitted it yourself.

[californication]

60. But it

Gives society the justice that it seeks. The same society that created the death penalty is the same society that can abolish the death penalty. As long as it is here we might as well use it.

[mac56]

64. I'm part of society.

I don't seek that. Lots of other people agree with me.

"As long as it is here we might as well use it"?

You can justify a lot of bullshit with that argument.

[arwalden]

65. Revenge is not Justice and Justice is not Revenge...

... the two words are NOT synonymous. Yet you insist on using them synonymously. I do not think they mean what you think they mean.

The death penalty is revenge... nothing more. There's nothing "just" about it at all. Particularly when mistakes are made... and mistakes ARE made.

Only... sadly... the desire for revenge is so blinding that few death penalty supporters care about the wrongfully executed. Nor do they care that the black guys are more likely to be executed for the SAME CRIMES white guys are sentenced to "life" for.

-- Allen

[arwalden]

63. No, Silly... Westerfield Deserves To Be Punished For The Rest Of His Life.

Not to be punished for a few years and then have the punishment end.

If punishment is the genuine goal, then by George, he should be punished for as long as we can punish him.

If revenge is the goal, then we kill him.

But how to decide whom to kill and whom not to kill is the problem. And will those decisions be applied identically across all races and income brackets. Will public defenders be able to defend as skillfully as high-end attorneys? Will the judge disallow DNA evidence this week... that some other judge might allow upon appeal (but only if the appeal comes BEFORE the actual execution).

Once again, it appears that the Christians with their view of "God being the ultimate judge" and "hell awaiting the wrong doers" choose to defer punishment by "sending" these criminals on to "higher authorities".

Oh the vanity!
Or the arrogance!

Death is freedom for these criminals. Oh sure... they are not free to walk the earth anymore, but they are FREE FREE FREE from their punishment.

Suffering over.
They now join nothingness.
They don't care. They are dead. Nothing.

-- Allen

[AntiCoup2K4]

75. Westerfield's punishment is simple: Release him into general population

...at the prison, and he will meet the same fate as the not-so-good Father Geoghan.

[AntiCoup2K4]

74. He's not going to Heaven.

And Hell will be much harsher for him than peacefully drifting off to sleep after state euthanasia. If this asshole was ever truly a man of God, then I'm John the Baptist :eyes:

[andyjackson1828]

76. So if he said....

he didn't want to die then it would be a penalty.


I can't believe anyone is wasting their breath on this scum.


He's an unrepentant cold blooded-killer. He'd do it again if he could.

He's not wrongly convicted. he's not a victim of ineffective counsel.


Let's just do this thing and send him on his way to Hell.

[mac56]

77. "Let's just do this thing and send him on his way to Hell."

I bet that's what he said about his victim, too.

That's what we call "irony".

[sam sarrha]

39. Where is the proof that death is a punishment?

[arwalden]

68. It's A Christian-Thing... They Want To Defer (Hand Off) The Soul To...

... one of their gods for "eternal punishment".

It's a bit arrogant if you ask me ("NOBODY ASKED YOU!" the crowd shouted.) to assume that the dead body cares if it's dead and that it's being punished "forever".

It's dead. It doesn't care.

Punishment has ended at death. You're letting them off light if you ask me. ("NOBODY ASKED YOU!" the crowd jeered.)

[Braden]

27. your reward

might be to learn that the voice that drove you to murder is just in your head.

I wonder how often he has thought of that possibility.

[VolcanoJen]

31. Kick!!

:dem:

[Atlant]

32. Find more discussion here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=94785&mesg_id=94907&page=

[noonwitch]

34. It's not an "abortion doctor", it's an OB/GYN

I'm sick of the media labelling it that way, like all that a doctor in a family planning clinic does is perform abortions. Even if it is all he/she does, that doctor is still an OB/GYN performing a legal operation.

[arwalden]

66. This Bothers Me Too

Labeling anyone as an "Abortion Doctor" plays into their hands.

Next thing they media will be labeling OBGYN's as "baby killers".

-- Allen

[zizzer]

35. Jeb and decision to make a martyr

Has anyone considered that Jeb refused to commute this sentance so that HE COULD MAKE A MARTYR? See, I think this is part of the rights plan to undermine us. Kill the DR, cause mass fear within the community of womens health providers. Kill the killer, make a martyr for the cause and a rallying point for the fundies.

I am afraid. I am very afraid of this. Killing him is so wrong in so many ways. This whole thing has been spun by the repugs and the fundies and, I'm sorry to say, that most of YOU (yeah, I'm taling to YOU) have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.

Step away from your viseral reaction to this scum. Look at it from outside of your fear and hatred of this piece of shit and think about how this will play out. As my friend used to say to me "Watch that movie to the end." Do any of you who support his death REALY think that this will help the cause of justice? Womens right to choose? Will this reduce the number of crimes commited against women's health practioners?

Just like bombing Iraq is gonna make us safer. Killing this asshole is gonna make the wing nuts sit down, shut up and act nice?

I don't think so.

Wake up people.

[californication]

40. I wish the rest of the death row inmates felt this way...

Save us a ton of money on feeding and caring for these clowns. The longer they live the more money we have to spend keeping them alive. After all, it is up to God to judge him but it is our responsibility to arrange the meeting.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

41. I do believe you're wrong

Where do you get the idea that it's "our responsibility to arrange the meeting"?

[californication]

43. I feel

that we as a society enforce the laws that we have established. What he did apparently warrents the death penalty. I am tired of wasting money on these people. I do not feel sorry for him. He is getting what he deserves. Heck that is one less mouth to feed.

[underpants]

44. It costs more to put him to death than to "house" him for 30+ years

No link sorry.

This is a common misconception that it is so much cheaper to put a person to death rather keep him/her in a facility.

[underpants]

46. Link to Amnesty Int. -In Fla. $3.2 M vs. $600K

http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/cost.html

"Elimination of the death penalty would result in a net savings to the state of at least several tens of millions of dollars annually, and a net savings to local governments in the millions to tens of millions of dollars on a statewide basis." --Joint Legislative Budget Committee of the California Legislature, Sept. 9, 1999


Capital punishment is a far more expensive system than one whose maximum penalty is life in prison.

A New York study estimated the cost of an execution at three times that of life imprisonment.

In Florida, each execution costs the state $3.2 million, compared to $600,000 for life imprisonment.

Studies in California, Kansas, Maryland, and North Carolina all have concluded that capital punishment is far more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life.

[Bridget Burke]

45. What he deserves....

Is to rot in his cell until he dies of natural causes. I'm against the death penalty for many reasons but, in this case, it's very simple.

Why should he get what he wants?

[mac56]

47. You couldn't be more wrong.

"I am tired of wasting money on these people."·

It costs more to execute a person than to keep him or her in prison for life.

A New York study revealed it cost $2.8 million to try a "death penalty" defendant through the first stage of appeals – more than twice the cost of life imprisonment. The study concluded that it would cost about $850,000 to keep an inmate in prison for 40 years.

In 1988, the Sacramento Bee reported that California spends at least $1 million to prosecute each death penalty case at both the trial and appellate levels. One case has already cost more than $5 million.

The Sacramento Bee concluded that taxpayers could save $90 million per year if the death penalty were abolished: "It now costs the state much more to attempt to execute someone than to lock the person up for life without parole."

And this was way back in 1988. Even more now, I'm sure.

Can California, which faces massive budget cuts in education, social services and other desperately needed programs, afford to waste millions of dollars on state killing?

[californication]

50. Prove it

It is probably some study that was designed to have the desired outcome.

[underpants]

54. See post #46

and then use the information there do to your own research. If you don't believe Amnesty International and think that they might just put outright lies on their website (even though that information is very similiar to what mac56 posted) perhaps the Fox news website will offer some fair and balanced information that will facilitate your informed opinion.

[californication]

55. Their literature

is a little biased don't you think? Besides, when did we become part of the European Union?

[underpants]

57. Well they are a human rights organization

So I don't find it surprising that they would post information that supports their argument/cause.

The cost of death penalties is a little reported fact that several studies have shown to be fact.

You were talking about AI, and not Fox, weren't you?

[californication]

59. Yes

This moron lost his rights when he killed the Doc. I believe that the victim and their survivors have the right to seek justice. Justice in this case as determined by a jury of his peers, is the death penalty.

[mac56]

61. How dare you presume to speak for the victim and his survivors?

You don't know what they want. They may want no more killings.

You only know what YOU want. Blood lust, it seems to me.

[underpants]

69. Actually the Dr.'s step-daughter is anti-death penalty

She was on the Today show and since she was put into the limelight she has championed that cause repeatedly. She correctly referred to Paul Hill and those who think like him as "terrorists".

No one should presume that they know what the relatives want.

[underpants]

62. I'm against the death penalty

for all the reasons you already know. You seem to be in favor of it for all the reasons I already know.

[Suspicious]

42. LOL

How subtle...

:puke:

[progressivejazz]

67. Do you mean that to apply to all the death row inmates?

Even the ones who are innocent?

Or aren't any innocent? G. Whistleass Bush assured us that nobody he had executed was innocent. I guess you're assuring us of that too--and more. Thanks for the assurance, but I'll believe the evidence. Many innocent people have been put on death row. That's a fact. The logical inference is that there may be some still on death row. But you'd like it if they went to their deaths without causing any "scene", and just accepted it.

[Forkboy]

78. Wrong on so many levels

hope you actually read the excellent responses you've gotten.

[realFedUp]

51. God speed.

.