Wolfowitz: Bombing changed U.N. mood

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/04/sprj.irq.main/index.html

Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said Thursday the Bush administration has been pushing for months for a new U.N. resolution to internationalize the force in Iraq, but it took the bombing of the U.N. headquarters in Baghdad to change the "atmosphere in New York."

Wolfowitz made the surprising comments after testifying to congressional leaders on Capitol Hill, and on the same day the Washington Post reported on the apparent change of course the administration has taken in dealing with the United Nations.

The newspaper essentially said Secretary of State Colin Powell and Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, teamed up to overcome Pentagon objections to a U.N. force for Iraq. Both men later called the report inaccurate.

Wolfowitz acknowledged that "any plan has got to adjust to the reality as you find it on the ground," but he also disputed any notion that the Bush administration has resisted international help.

[ixion]

1. blah blah blah

Nothing that these creeps say is even close to accurate. Does the press question them? Hell no. Just print what they say as truth. :puke:

[disgruntella]

2. lies and the lying liars who tell them

I hate feeling this sick to my stomach before I go to bed....

(Wolfowitz) said early last week U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan agreed that a multinational force would fall under U.S. command, which "really solved our principle concerns on the military side and we embraced that quite eagerly."

( gee - did CNN misspell "principal"?)

He said, however, the Pentagon would have preferred the United Nations stepping up a month or two ago, "but it's better late than never."

"I think they're stepping up to their responsibilities," he said.


:puke:

(edit - brackets)

[KeepItReal]

3. "Wolfowitz: 9/11 changed U.S. mood"

"Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said that he and his Project for the New American Century (PNAC) buddies have been pushing for YEARS for a new chance to regime change Iraq, but it took the actions of Afghanis, Pakistanis and Saudi nationals with boxcutters hijacking and crashing planes in Pearl Harbor fashion to change the "atmosphere in the United States."

I parody, but you get the picture.

[madrchsod]

4. is this the start of

"the night of the long knifes"?....google "the night..." first there`s ac/dc song-very good and then there`s the hitler purge.....

[9215]

5. This "internationalize the force" shit is really about getting the UN

and any other suckers dumb enough to get involved to share in the failure of this ungodly mess. IMO Bush was behind the bombing of the UN and the Shiite leader Hakim: "the devil they didn't know" is how he was regarded during the abortive Shiite uprising in the first Gulf War.



These fascist swill LIHOP or MIHOP these bombings to coerce groups into doing their bidding, garner support etc. just like they did 9/11.


The fucking wolves are in the herd of sheep and mean to make a meal of them.

[Old and In the Way]

7. The PNAC'le club is completely naked.

No "coalition" to provide cover for the war no one wanted. This ought to be a lesson on why debates on US foreign policy are critical to a democracy. WHen a 1/2 dozen ditto-heads share a delusion and act on it, we shouldn't be surprised at the results. They believed their own bullshit, too bad we will pay the price for their complete misread of the application of our power.

[grytpype]

22. "Privatize the profits, socialize the costs."

[dusty64]

24. Certainly seems like there

is a motive now. I put nothing past our cabal.

[rucky]

6. Time To Start Campaigning Again...

...to the Center, that is. It sorta worked last time, and as long as the next election is close, they can cheat.

It's been an 8-year plan all along for the PNAC-ers.

[peterh]

8. I swear my head is spinning….

On top of all the other spins today….now we have Wolfowitz, who just happened to author the `92 PNAC section where the UN was essentially first labeled irrelevant, is now saying that it took a bombing of their Baghdad HQs for them to see the light that the US has been shining.

Give me a fucking break already….can a journalist really write this with a straight face?

[realFedUp]

9. Wolf should be put in the gallows

downtown Burbank.

[sasquatch]

10. If I was the UN I would tell them to piss off

and don't come back until you've paid for everything you broke in Iraq. That'll teach you to call me irrelevent:grr:

[femmecahors]

11. Should we teach children to tell the truth?

If you look at most of the really successful people in business and politics today, they seem to be liars and cheats.

For the past few years, I have been thinking that being truthful is a detriment to success in our society.

Do we really do our children a favor by bringing them up to be truthful?

It seems that those who speak the truth are just niave pawns for the predators in our society who have perfected lying . . . we work at our little jobs, pay most of the taxes, and they fuck us.

[Emillereid]

12. More likely that the recent bombing finally making Wolfiwitz

and the other Bushits realize what deep doo doo they are in and that they desperately need help -- especially need to make sure all the casualties aren't Americans -- won't look good during an election season. Everyday I figure the bastards can't repulse me any further, but somehow they always manage. God save us from these fools.

[w4rma]

13. I agree. I think Wolfowitz is projecting again.

projection
8. Psychology.

a. The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or suppositions to others: “Even trained anthropologists have been guilty of unconscious projection—of clothing the subjects of their research in theories brought with them into the field” (Alex Shoumatoff).

b. The attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings, or desires to someone or something as a naive or unconscious defense against anxiety or guilt.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

[nolabels]

16. Much too kind for such evil person

I kind of liked the post about downtown Burbank, but then again thought it would be immoral to subject large city populations to such TOXIC WASTE

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. Wolfowitz is a madman

"It took the bombing of the U.N. headquarters in Baghdad to change the 'atmosphere in New York.'"

Talk about making a silk purse out of a sow's ear. Either that or he's confessing to murdering innocent people to further his evil agenda.

[Voltaire99]

17. He's an "evildoer"

Kissinger, the 2003 model.

Not quite in Henry's league yet, but give Bush another term and I'm sure Wolfowitz won't disappoint.

[nolabels]

15. Or the version of FUAX NEWS

Last time I checked, the UN was kinda checkin out, after that cement mixer full explosives blew up big portions of their compound in Baghdad. Trying to hide behind skirts that are also fleeing because of US instigated insanity, what next?

http://www.antiwar.com/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96495,00.html
Wolfowitz: U.S. Wanted U.N. Resolution Since Fall of Baghdad
Thursday , September 04, 2003

WASHINGTON — The bombing of the U.N. headquarters in Baghdad was "a breakthrough, a sad one" that changed attitudes at the United Nations and is allowing the Bush administration to seek a resolution for more international support in Iraq, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz (search) said Thursday.

Wolfowitz said the issue of a U.N. resolution "didn't sort of emerge out of nowhere a few days ago. It's been on our agenda ever since the fall of Baghdad (search)."

Wolfowitz and the head of U.S. Central Command, Gen. John Abizaid (search), spoke to reporters in two brief Capitol Hill news conferences after holding separate closed-door meetings with senators and House members.

The Bush administration's offer on Wednesday to share power with the United Nations was widely seen as a change of tactics resulting from the rising costs, mounting casualties and growing criticism of slow progress in rebuilding Iraq. The Pentagon was considered particularly wary of a big U.N. role.
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Btw have they checked to see if some of these folks have a healthy grip on reality, just wondering.

[JNelson6563]

18. yeah, "changed the mood"

of the UN, just like we planned. How transparent.

Julie

[DannyRed]

19. Incestuous amplification

was the phrase used by Seymour Hersh...

I think it quite apt.

[JNelson6563]

26. agreed

most excellent phrase.

Julie

[Pompitous_Of_Love]

20. Huh?

Wolfowitz really needs to lay off the blotter acid.

[DannyRed]

23. Or at least share it...

n/t

[grytpype]

21. These people will say anything. They'll say any damned thing.

[teryang]

25. He's invariably wrong

Take anything he or the other neocons say and reverse it, then you have the truth.

[bobthedrummer]

29. "The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed,

because the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad.

The primative simplicity of their minds renders them more easy victims of a big lie than a small one, because they often tell little lies but would be ashamed to tell big ones.

Such a form of lying would never enter their heads. They would never credit others with the possibiblity of such great impudence as the complete reversal of facts."
Adolph Hitler "Mein Kampf"
:puke::argh:

[Gingersnap]

36. thanks for the Hitler quote

I am really, seriously beginning to wonder if the neo-cons haven't studied Hitler as a model for how to get the public to go along with brutality. Sick.

[The Stranger]

27. Tell me again why this individual is still in office?

Let Madame Defarge continue her quiet knitting . . .

[nolabels]

28. Where should we look for evidence?

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=&num=50&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=Paul+Wolfowitz+is+a+good+man&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=off

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[Junkdrawer]

30. PNAC had no motive to bomb Baghdad UN HQ - So stop saying that!

:grr:

[TeeYiYi]

31. Jeez Wolfie, you wouldn't happen to know anything about . . .

. . . who bombed the UN headquarters in Iraq would you? Hmmmmmmmmm?

TYY

[ElsewheresDaughter]

32. wolfowitz's bombing of the UN...did NOT work

[tom_paine]

33. As I'm sure the Busheviks desired

The only thing that would have completed yet another Bushevik "Trifecta" would have been the psychic shock re-administered to Imperial Subjects of Amerika if their little explosion would have caught the 7-member congressional delegation that was running late that morning.

What blank checks would have been issued to the Busheviks had we been in mourning for McCain, Ford, etal.?

PATRIOT ACT #2? FEMA Camps for undesireables?

While we can't know what happened anymore than German Citizens can EVER know what happened to the Reichstag, I have a strong feeling that the Busheviks have been behind many murders...as many as anyMaarcosStalinBabyDocHitler type-guy, which he is/they are.

[ignatius]

34. I heard him on NPR on the way home last night. He said

in the context of the UN bombing that we must take advantage of "opportunities." Who in their right mind would call this an opportunity?

It sounded very suspicious and almost caused an auto accident while I was putting on my tinfoil hat.

God help us all, the madmen are in charge and chaos follows them like a bad smell.

[proud patriot]

35. You ask "Who in their right mind would call this an opportunity?"

Murderers would consider murder an opportunity IMHO

[nolabels]

37. And Folks that hold profits are more valuable than People

These people are anything but conservative. Every time there is a crisis (created by them, may I add), they run to Congress for more cash, legislation and whatever else they can get out of the lap dogs.

This is an opportunity to get more money for their sweetheart corporate masters and perpetuate the War Machine on the backs of the rest of the population.

If they target Sadam and any around him for assignation, how much of a step would it be for a few well placed bombs be? Don’t police often consider people with prior offences suspect?

http://www.antiwar.com/
http://www.msnbc.com/news/961153.asp?0cv=CA01&cp1=1
Powell pitches U.S.
plan for wider U.N. role

By Glenn Kessler and Mike Allen
THE WASHINGTON POST

Sept. 4 — The White House has informed congressional leaders that it is preparing a new budget request for between $60 billion and $70 billion to help cover the mounting costs of the reconstruction and military occupation of Iraq, sources on Capitol Hill said last night.

THE PLANNED request — which congressional budget analysts said will be nearly double what Congress expected — reflects the deepening cost of the five-month-old U.S. occupation and serves as an acknowledgement by the administration that it vastly underestimated the cost of restoring order in Iraq and rebuilding the country’s infrastructure.
The estimate was disclosed on the same day the administration provided details of a draft U.N. resolution that it is preparing in an effort to win foreign pledges for more troops and money for Iraq. The U.S. draft would authorize a multinational peacekeeping force under U.S. military command and would invite the nascent Iraqi Governing Council to submit a plan and a timetable for writing a constitution, creating a government and holding elections.


The decisions to seek new funds from Congress and to try to strike a bargain at the United Nations signaled that President Bush is trying to resolve festering disputes over his administration’s Iraq policies before they turn into political liabilities. Both the rising cost of the military operations and the failure of the administration to share the peacekeeping burden in Iraq have prompted growing criticism on Capitol Hill and by Democratic presidential candidates.
The draft U.N. proposal appears to set up something unprecedented in U.N. history: a multinational force with a United Nations mandate in a country where the world body does not have political control or a say over who has political control.

REVERSAL FOR WHITE HOUSE
The initial reaction of U.N. diplomats was mixed, with many viewing the draft as a basis for difficult negotiations over how much power the administration would be willing to cede to win an international imprimatur that some countries have demanded in exchange for their participation in a security force.
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on edit: syntax and spelling

[Fovea]

38. Delusion or Bald Out and Out Lie...

You decide...

Because if he is deliberately lying, we need to fire him.
If he is delusional, he needs medication, and fireing.