Senior House Democrat Urges Top Defense Hands to Resign

[grytpype]

Holy. Living. Shit. Must. Read. Now.

A senior House Democrat called today for the resignation of the top two officials at the Defense Department, saying that miscalculations by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and the deputy secretary, Paul D. Wolfowitz, had cost American lives in Iraq and damaged the nation's fiscal health.

In a letter to President Bush, Representative David R. Obey, the ranking minority member of the House Appropriations Committee, said the Pentagon should be relieved of its role in determining foreign policy in Iraq, in part because of errors made by Mr. Rumsfeld and Mr. Wolfowitz before and after the war.

"It is impossible to review the record of the past year and not conclude that they have made repeated and serious miscalculations," said Mr. Obey, who has represented northern Wisconsin for 34 years.

The unilateral conduct of the war and the planning for postwar occupation cannot be seen as "anything other than a disaster," he wrote.


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/06/politics/06RESI.html?ex=1063425600&en=c5441754c6571981&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

[grytpype]

1. How long before someone demands the entire Bush Junta resign?

And how long before Bush's sanity is openly questioned?

Which will come first?

Exciting times.

[dArKeR]

16. Insane? Laugh as they did when I said that before The Coup of 2000.

I believe Dan Rather also knew/heard sources say Junior was unstable. Rather questioned Junior repeatedly, 2 times, and Junior wouldn't answer. 'When you lived in the WH when your father was Pres. did you see Lincoln's ghost.' This was a very serious tone of questioning which Rather slid in while questioning about Clinton allowing guests to visit/live in the Lincoln bedroom. Considering the amount of cocaine, crack, LSD, alcohol Junior had done then and for 25 years, I surely feel this is relevant questioning. I think if it was a Democrat there'd be calls to drug test and have pyschological evaluations of the President.

Junior being part the most 'elite jet set, wealthy, and political power' crowd of the world, logic just doesn't accept Junior never flew overseas for most of his life. They finally put him on a plane, about late 1998, to the Middle East when they decided to run him for Pres. It just doesn't fit how a kid while his father was Pres. never took a trip on Air Force One going overseas? Just doesn't make sense. Anyway, I think Junior has some type panic (phobia) control DT disorder.

[ewagner]

2. Atta Boy Dave!!!

Proud that he's my Congressman!


btw...it appears the Rebups have already lined up at least tow locals to run against him.....I will go door-to-door for Dave if I have to crawl on my knees in the snow!

[TheYellowDog]

3. Yeah

Isn't some republican screw-up from Road Rules or Real World(can't remember which) running against him?

[diplomats]

6. I've always liked David Obey

This may not go anywhere but I'm glad to see a Democrat with some authority take this stand.

[grytpype]

4. Here's a good pic of the Man of the Hour

A real class act... he's also fighting Colon Jr.'s media consolidation program.

http://www.washtimes.com/business/20030716-094254-2089r.htm

[lindashaw]

25. Then, send him an e-mail of encouragement, I did.

[aquart]

5. Throw in Perle. Make me happy.

[diplomats]

7. Check out this ridiculous comment from a DeLay lackey:

"Here the president is, freeing Iraqi citizens and giving them a first taste of democracy, and you have Democrats like Obey who come up with bizarre requests like this," Mr. Roy said. "They think they're going to get a political gain from this, but they're really running their own party off the cliff."

What planet does he live on?

[grytpype]

8. Sweet, isn't it?

And it's just going to get worse and worse for them. Farking sweeeet.

[diplomats]

12. I certainly hope so

eom

[Donna Zen]

9. Another question:

Is this the only planet I can live on?

[ozymandius]

13. Is this a suggestion?

"They think they're going to get a political gain from this, but they're really running their own party off the cliff."

So in recommending that Obey stop this nonsense talk, does Roy pretend to evoke some sense of altruistic pity for the Democratic party? I am inclined to think otherwise. Perhaps Roy means, "Shut up."

[jamesinca]

20. He does mean shut up, somebody might hear you

Since this is not the Bill O'Reilley show he can't say that. I am glad that they are finally throwing these types of barbs. They must be reading the Guardian from the U.K. back in D.C.
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Michael Meacher, who served as a minister for six years until three months ago, today goes further than any other mainstream British politician in blaming the Iraq war on a US desire for domination of the Gulf and the world.
Mr Meacher, a leftwinger who is close to the green lobby, also claims in an article in today's Guardian that the war on terrorism is a smokescreen and that the US knew in advance about the September 11 attack on New York but, for strategic reasons, chose not to act on the warnings.

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LIHOP and it is about time somebody said it. Hopefully the Brits have been coaching their American counterparts on how to ask questions.
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He says the US goal is "world hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies" and that this Pax Americana "provides a much better explanation of what actually happened before, during and after 9/11 than the global war on terrorism thesis".
Mr Meacher adds that the US has made "no serious attempt" to catch the al-Qaida leader, Osama bin Laden.
He also criticises the British government, claiming it is motivated, as is the US, by a desire for oil.

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It looks and walks like a duck and he is the only one calling it that. This is consistant with the view here on the DU about this war, it was always about oil.

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There has been some support of Mr. Meachers point of view back here in the U.S. This from the Jun 23, 2003 Florida Today

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On May 25, while scanning the Air Force Defense Meteorological Satellite Program images pipelined into his desktop from 450 miles in orbit, Hank Brandli skidded at a nighttime photo of Iraq. It looked familiar. But not exactly.
Brandli retrieved another DMSP image he'd archived from May 3. He compared the two. The most recent photo showed a blazing corridor of light running the length of Kuwait, south to north, all the way to the Iraqi border. The image wasn't there on May 3.
"It's going right up to Iraq's oil fields," says the retired Air Force colonel from his home in Palm Bay. "Maybe I'm full of s---. Maybe all they're doing is building a highway to put in McDonald's and sell hamburgers. But why go that way? I think we're in bed with Kuwait. I think we're pumping oil out of Iraq to pay for this war."

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Hank Brandli did this type of work for a living while in the Air Force. His has been published on the subject, he is more than some jr. astronomer.

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Mr Delay, keep having your boy tell them to shut up, because if they don't it will run your party off of the cliff.

[grytpype]

10. Oh, and there's another cool thing about this...

If von Rumsfeld quits or is fired, it will look like Bush is responding to the call by Obey for Rumsfeld's resignation. Sweeeeeeeeet.

[David Zephyr]

11. Duh...Yeah, Like They Lost the War.

Say it. It's very easy.

Bush lost the war.

[Unknown Known]

14. Watch the Dan Rather interview with Rumsferatu

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/home/main100.shtml "Rumsfeld Deflects Critics"

Rummy is toast - everyone is attacking him now - even Bill Kristol says he "screwed up" Iraq after the military occupation.

Perhaps this will be what the boy emperor will announce -

"I am not a crook - but Donald Rumsfeld is, therefore I am asking for his immediate resignation."

Maybe this was part of the UN Resolution that was missing that the French and Germans are wanting put in!!

[jamesinca]

21. He says it has been 5 1/2 months, not 5 1/2 years.

He says look it up is that a quagmire. Mr. Rumsfeld I did look it up. A quagmire has nothing to do with a time frame, it has to do with the situation you are in. From the Websters New World Dictionary, Second College Edition, c 1984 it says: Quagmire- a difficult or inextricable position.

Mr Rumsfeld you find me a definition that is more current that supports your idea! If you can't do it I say I have 19 years of definition on my side, what do you have?

[bobthedrummer]

15. I hope this will be part of *'s talk Sunday

to US about Iraq. It would be a start. Then the criminal proceedings.
Then the verdict.

[grasswire]

17. now we're getting somewhere

The neo-cons are distancing themselves, and infighting.

Meltdown a-coming.

[bvar22]

18. I don't call for their resignation.

I call for the ONLY honorable solution for their failures....I will be glad to send them a sharp knife.

These ghouls are covered in the blood of innocents...Iraqi, Afghan, and US.

Pearle has certainly earned his membership in this elite group. Cheney also.

[Festivito]

19. WOW!

Ashcroft under contempt of court,
Cheney lied to Congress via GAO,
Rove leaked secret agent,
Wolfowitz & Rumsfeld asked to resign over Iraq failure,

It can't be feeling good at the top.

[Dover]

22. If these guys refuse to step down then there will have to be some sort of

organized and unprecedented removal...I'm not sure which legal body that would be - either within the military or the judicial system backed by the military. What these guys are doing is endangering this country and it has got to be stopped and SOON. It's beyond revenge or partisanship....this is survival!

[dand]

23. A Democrat with balls?????

Heres to Rep. Obey :toast:

[jamesinca]

24. It seems to be catching

Kerry is challenging Karl Roves involvment on water policy in the NW. Dean has been challenging Bush since day one. I like to think this is where it started, other dems are trying to keep up with the Dean surge so they are emulating him.

[Capt_Nemo]

26. The problem is that

as long as Cheney hangs there as VP and bastards like Bolton or Libby
keep their places in the administration nothing is going to change.
Each and every PNACer must be removed from goverment at once!

[Dover]

27. Speaking of Perle, I just saw this from a poster in another chatroom

I presume he's from France:

Perle, as you know, owne a splendid Villa in the south of France and spend there his holidays.

I saw him at French TV with Raymond Barre, former PM, during the first week of February 2003.

I repeat February 2003

According the usual rhetoric, Perle said that the attitude of France was unacceptable and that the consequences would be bad for France.

However, Raymond Barre after calmly having listened Mr. Perle answered : "Mr Perle, you know that you will need us ( so the French) and the UN few months after your war"

Mr Perle gave a time, and with a light smile said ' Yes, I know... "

in February 2003 !

Strange, it is not ?