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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:22 AM
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(No GOP Soc Sec Bill before Xmas!) - Bush's Big Bet: Risking His Capital
Edited on Mon Feb-07-05 11:22 AM by papau
Howard Fineman in Newseek gets at the legislative strategy that is still in formation, writing about President Bush's political gamble and concluding thusly: "…Bush's GOP allies are moving cautiously. They won't even try, Hill sources tell NEWSWEEK, to unify behind a particular bill until the fallhoping to lure Democrats to make a counterproposal first. That will leave plenty of time for more talk, more campaigning, more bloggingand rock concerts."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6920457/site/newsweek

Bush's Big Bet: Risking His Capital - He got the ball rolling at the State of the Union. But it's no ordinary fight. On trial: America's core belief in the social contract, and its faith in the private sector

Social Security and Iraq were at the top of Bush’s State of the Union agenda
By Howard Fineman
NewsweekFeb. 14 issue - <snip>In a forceful State of the Union address last week, the president won applause from the whole chamber when he called the 70-year-old program "a great moral success of the 20th century." But he divided the House into Republican applause and Democratic boos when he declared the "system, on its current path, is headed toward bankruptcy." If it is—a controversial assumption—how does Bush plan to "save" it? Well, if pain is required, he did not mention it. He ruled out an increase in payroll taxes. He tiptoed around the fact that benefit cuts would inevitably be needed. Instead, in a radical departure from Social Security orthodoxy, he suggested that retirees could earn bigger pension payouts by investing a portion of their payroll taxes in individual, private savings accounts, similar to familiar 401(k)s. There was risk in such stock and bond accounts, he admitted, but a greater one—given the looming retirement of the baby boomers—in relying solely on the transfer of tax revenue from one generation to the next.

Bush and Karl Rove love to push on the Democrats' unlocked doors, and this one might be slightly ajar. The new NEWSWEEK Poll contains evidence of the generational divide AARP and Rock the Vote are hoping to bridge. A whopping 75 percent of voters under 35 think that Social Security is "facing a funding crisis"—while only 52 percent of voters 55 and older agree. A majority of the older voters believe that they will get all their scheduled benefits; only 32 percent of young voters do. These younger people—three generations away from the Depression and with a greater tolerance for risk—think that retirement accounts would strengthen the Social Security system; older voters do not. Yet even younger voters, so far, are ambivalent about Bush's proposal, and are evenly divided on the question of whether "investing Social Security money in the stock market is too big a risk." And, as is the case with all Americans, young voters want their free lunch: 73 percent say the government should protect them if their accounts go bust—the highest percentage of any age group.

<snip>
But the tides of history won't necessarily sweep along wary Republicans who face reelection next year—let alone deeply suspicious Democrats. On a flight to Fargo, N.D., last week, Bush fenced jovially with Democratic Sen. Kent Conrad, a fiscal watchdog with an accounting degree from Stanford. "It was polite persuasion, a lot of friendly arm-twisting," the senator told NEWSWEEK later. But it was "no sale." There would have to be "major adjustments," Conrad told the president. In fact, Bush's GOP allies are moving cautiously. They won't even try, Hill sources tell NEWSWEEK, to unify behind a particular bill until the fall—hoping to lure Democrats to make a counterproposal first. That will leave plenty of time for more talk, more campaigning, more blogging—and rock concerts.

© 2005 Newsweek, Inc
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:34 AM
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1. In the 60's, we use to say SS wouldn't be there for us when we were
ready to retire. And its here. I am happy about that since I lost so much retirement money in the stock market.
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tibbiit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 01:06 PM
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6. Yes we did say that in the 60's, 70,s 80's etc
WE ALL BELIEVED that assumption... and now because of the Lies of Bush... it makes me wonder if the common "beliefs" we all thought were true... were just Propaganda like todays "beliefs"! Same is true of Health Care... we have commonly believed that National Health Care would be long lines at the dr's office etc ( never mind it takes months to get into see specialists).

So SS and Healthcare beliefs from the past, along with many other "beliefs" about government and policy has been Propaganda all along.
We have to examine EVERYTHING we believe in and chuck it out the window.
I hope this makes sense.
tib
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 11:50 AM
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2. NO COUNTERPROPOSAL! Keep the pot boiling for Bush
until he cries uncle or brings his asshole ideas up for a vote.
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ezee Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:10 PM
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3. Have you noticed
That all the *pundints* and *news* talk show host are always asking the democrat guest**whats the DEMOCRATS Plan** There talking points from the WH must be to try and trip us up into a plan so they can shoot it down.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:21 PM
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4. Occupant bush will save SS like he saves Iraq..
destroy the village to save it..
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 12:54 PM
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5. It's NOT a big bet for Bush if he owns the ballot box
Sorry to further complicate the battle against Bushco's proposals to "save" Social Security, but we can't forget the impact of election fraud on this issue.

Keep in mind that despite the popular will to leave Social Security alone, if ever-more-corrupt senators and reps believe that Bushco will "insulate them from negative voter reaction" on their SS vote (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean?) then we are bound to lose on this issue big time.

Politicians need to be made accountable again. That is not going to happen, though, without verifiable voting and without eliminating partisan, Kenneth Blackwell-style state election officials.
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