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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 12:38 PM
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Max Gordon's Article
A lot of that hit home for me, but, as a white trangender woman, I was a little disappointed that the transgender issue wasn't brought into the equation very often throughout the article.

And I was rather offended when he mentioned all the gay "heroes" of Stonewall...and DIDN'T mention sylvia Rivera, who STARTED Stonewall, by throwing a high-heeled shoe at a cop. and he didn't mention his gay "heroes" of Stonewall were the ones who willingly gave over the "drag queens" to the cops at Stonewall, while THEY snuck out the back door!!

Yeah, there must be a lot of pain in being gay. I wouldn't know, I never have been gay. There must be a lot of pain in being black. again, I wouldn't know, I never have been. And it must be REALLY painful to be a gay black man. I wouldn't know, I haven't been there.

But I did not feel there was NEARLY enough sensitivity given to how painful it is to be transgender. Worse...how painful it is to BE, at least on outer appearance, to be white male (read: empowered) and to give that all up to be who WE really are...women!! And to have people constantly questioning our sanity, and thinking that male empowerment was the biggest thing we transgender women gave up! no, the biggest thing WE gave up was our HUMANITY...many no longer see us as even being HUMAN.

And those who victimize us, disenfranchise us...they feel no guilt or shame about it, because they are doing it to someone they have already deemed was not HUMAN, and therefore, not worthy of human dignity, compassion, kindness or even courtesy.

Many, even among my friends, and fellow churchgoers (yes I am a Christian) think that I am very brave for "doing what you did." No, I tell them...I am not brave. I made a simple choice. A choice to die as a man, or live as a woman. I chose to live. That is not brave. That was survival.

What is BRAVE is standing up against those who would oppress us, and DEMANDING our place, rightfully, and our treatment, rightfully...demanding our humanity back.

I really wish that the author of this article had explored a bit more, the real pain transgender people go through. I'm tired of our pain and suffering being ignored, minimalized, and shunted aside by the gay-and-lesbian crowd.

As one fellow transsexual once put it, in a room full of gay men and lesbian women, where I was the only other transsexual..."YOU didn't pay 30 thousand dollars to be YOUR brand of queer!" "YOU didn't go through YEARS of psychological therapy to be given PERMISSION to be your brand of queer."

I gotta quit this here, or I am going to lose it, but I tell you, I'm very angered that this issue was not explored more in the article.

We transgenders have endured so much in TV, particularly TV advertising...and we are ALWAYS the freaks...the ones to be laughed at...NEVER treated respectfully. At least y'all have Queer Eye for the Straight Guy!! WE HAVE NOTHING!!

Well, nothing except the Bud Light "girls" and, of course, lest we forget the Dunkin Donuts man with a finger over his moustache, speaking in a obviously falsetto voice, and wearing a dress that looked like it was made from recycled Holiday Inn drapery fabric, "Do you make your doughnuts fresh every day, like Dunkin' Donuts?? No? Good!!"

Jesus Christ, I can't begin to tell the damage that shit did to my psyche. Damn it, though, he acts like only gay and lesbian people have been crapped on by the TV. I can tell you WE transgenders have had it a lot worse...and now, WE are the only group it is STILL okay to make fun of...even now, we still have the Bud Light commercials, and we STILL occasionally see the Dunkin' Donuts man.
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 01:40 PM
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1. I found it interesting that someone who refuses to watch TV
can't SHUT UP about it. I found the article a little too meandering to be of any real interest, too...
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:41 PM
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2. I still don't know the thesis
All I got out of it was that Redd Foxx apparently liked gay jokes. What relevance an old black comedian from the 70s has today is beyond me though.
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KissMeKate Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 03:16 PM
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3. link please.
thanks.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 04:03 PM
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4. He tied together several "isms" very well.
He was writing from his own experience of being black, male and gay.

And I think he did a great job and it touched me personally.

Trying to transfer that to what he suspected "someone else might have experienced" might not have felt as honest.

Your words are also moving, because they are yours.
Thank you for having the courage to express them.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 09:46 AM
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5. mermaid my sweet
could you post the article please? I'd like to read what you are referring to; thanks! :D
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mermaid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 10:07 AM
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6. Look In The Article Archives, It Was Front-Page Yesterday!
Just click on Article Archives, and you will find it.
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patdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-09-05 11:54 AM
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7. Please provide a link to articles. Here is the link to the original
article: http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/05/02/08_entertainment.html

mermaid, not everyone is aware of where to look for 'Articles'.
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