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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:15 AM
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Are those Fallujah rumors really true?
Dahr Jamail posted a very disturbing story regarding the experiences of a doctor in Fallujah in December and January.

It's the same story we've been hearing over and over again from independent media.

Apparently, not only was Fallujah razed, but a lot of innocent civilians were killed, with cruelty.

If you have heard enough of these reports to not need any more evidence, or if you are too sickened by it to read more, I understand. If you still want to find out what the "unofficial story" is, from the unembedded press, then read this.
The family was all carrying white flags, as instructed, according to the young man who gave his testimony. Yet he watched his mother and father shot by snipers-his mother in the head and his father shot in the heart. His two aunts were shot, then his brother was shot in the neck. The man stated that when he raised himself from the ground to shout for help, he was shot in the side.

“After some hours he raised his arm for help and they shot his arm,” continues the doctor, “So after awhile he raised his hand and they shot his hand.”

A six year-old boy of the family was standing over the bodies of his parents, crying, and he too was then shot.

“Anyone who raised up was shot,” adds the doctor, then added again that he had photographs of the dead as well as photos of the gunshot wounds of the survivors.


I read about this in the Guardian http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve04/1182falluja.html and other sources: http://www.madre.org/articles/me/fallajah.html
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111704Y.shtml
http://www.unknownnews.org/041116battleoffallujah.html
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/20779/
http://electroniciraq.net/news/printer1860.shtml
. Americans don't know.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:22 AM
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1. George Bush Will Rot In Hell For This!
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=7209

“One story is of a young girl who is 16 years old,” he says of one of the testimonies he video taped recently, “She stayed for three days with the bodies of her family who were killed in their home. When the soldiers entered she was in her home with her father, mother, 12 year-old brother and two sisters. She watched the soldiers enter and shoot her mother and father directly, without saying anything.”

The girl managed to hide behind the refrigerator with her brother and witnessed the war crimes first-hand.

“They beat her two sisters, then shot them in the head,” he said. After this her brother was enraged and ran at the soldiers while shouting at them, so they shot him dead.

“She continued hiding after the soldiers left and stayed with her sisters because they were bleeding, but still alive. She was too afraid to call for help because she feared the soldiers would come back and kill her as well. She stayed for three days, with no water and no food. Eventually one of the American snipers saw her and took her to the hospital,” he added before reminding me again that he had all of her testimony documented on film.
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KissMeKate Donating Member (741 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:31 AM
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2. What did Jefferson say about god being just?
I tremble with fear when I think that God is just? what is the quote?

How many September elevenths did we create in Iraq?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:15 AM
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6. I love that quote
Edited on Thu Feb-10-05 07:16 AM by Skittles
is there a God? I certainly hope not. That was really the gist of the quote.
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Joe Power Donating Member (778 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:54 AM
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7. The quote
"I tremble for my country when I realize that God is just."
-Thomas Jefferson
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 01:43 AM
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3. The MSM meme from the "national security experts" was
..."Fallujah is a free fire zone, there are no good Iraqis left in Fallujah, anyone still there is a bad guy." This is something that they got from Pentagon sources, they didn't just make it up.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 06:02 AM
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4. Kerry the younger talked about free fire zones in his testimony
I bet the kid never saw a free fire CITY though.

We've gotten so much better at this war crime thing since Vietnam, don't you think?
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theresistance Donating Member (595 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 06:51 AM
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5. This is common knowledge as far as I'm concerned
Massive war crimes and aggression...US leaders should be tried for war crimes and terrorism...Where do I stop?
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november3rd Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 02:09 PM
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9. FLM
Thanks for the link. Looks kind of generic, but is it Iraqi/Middle Eastern in origin and focus?
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 10:05 AM
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8. It's one of the reasons the Geneva Conventions were signed.
To protect civilians, making them identifiable and off-limits.

There were also reports of people walking towards soldiers holding up a white flag and then opening fire or throwing grenades.

Trigger a breakdown in the laws of war, and there's hell to pay.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:04 AM
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10. I am grateful that there are Jimmy Masseys who help us to fight this evil
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 12:05 AM by GetTheRightVote
:kick:
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