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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:29 PM
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Kos story about Gannon/Plame /CIA memo...
Gannon was WH "ringer" and well used by the rover mean machine..

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/9/191334/0754
"As the Iraq war raged and as the truth surrounding the forged documents that claimed Saddam attempted to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger emerged, a website and news organization came into being... Talon News (March 29, 2003)... owned by GOPUSA.com. Within days `Jeff Gannon', a man with no journalism experience secured White House briefing room press credentials (April 3, 2003).

As the hunt for the supposed WMDs kept going to no avail, Ambassador Joseph Wilson wrote a NYTimes Op-Ed entitled "What I didn't find in Africa" (July 6, 2003). On July 7, 2003 the White House retracted their Niger claim, which was their sole admission to date that the justification for war was not accurate

Jeff Gannon was planted by the administration to disseminate their talking points unfettered by any journalism ethics or investigation shortly after the Iraq war, when the failure to find WMDs was becoming apparent. He became incredibly useful in L'Affaire Plame to continue to push the dual stories that a) Plame's name was already common knowledge and therefore `outing' her was not a crime and b) to continue to help discredit the CIA and Wilson."



Wilson has said rove was the original leak..rumours are 60 cia assets died cuz of the "leak"..but when crime pays it keeps a payin...
All in a days work for them busheviks

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:32 PM
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1. damn, never heard that figure before... thanks for the link!
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:00 AM
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2. as I was sitting here reading this, I recalled a very similar incident in
the red town that I live in that involved an anti-liberal attorney who fought anything that walked, talked or smelled like a liberal or a liberal idea. He planted people in public hearings who would pretend to be victimized by a government or a law that he wanted to fight and stage interviews in the press, a local newspaper that he also had as a client ...it went on and on. It made me realize how long good like Repukes have been learning this shit under the watchful eye of Karl Rove all while they rolled right over Democratic values and morals....
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:06 AM
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3. roves grandpa was nazi death merchant..
and sold gas for camps...
google in karl rove dual citizen of germany
and see what ya get..according to almartin.com rove is a dual citizen..now ya ain't gonna find that info in main media but its around ..then of course there is grandpa bush and his nazi pals..worth a google..
and the son of a nazi anold who has the clout to change US Constitution...
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:41 PM
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6. Rove's Grandfather Built Nazi Death Camp??
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 12:56 PM by JPZenger
The allegation in the above post about Rove's grandfather was new to me so I looked it up. Here is an excerpt from the following link:

"According to Wilson, and to Retired U.S. Navy Lt. Commander Al Martin (www.almartinraw.com), Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp, at which tens of thousands of Jews, Gypsies, dissidents and other were slaughtered en masse."

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm

However, one Canadian professor who has done much research on Nazi death camps said that firm did not construct or design Birkenau.

There was no independent confirmation of this story on the web, just the same claim repeated over and over on message boards.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:56 AM
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5. CIA tactics
What's going on now didn't start with Rove. Rove's special strength is that he learned his craft in the College Republican National Committee back in the early 70's, at precisely the moment when CIA-style tactics of psyops and destabilization were cross-bred with Nixonian dirty tricks and Red-baiting to create the evil monster we confront today.

The dirty tricks and the demagoguic fear-mondering of the 1950's had at least had some tenuous connection to democracy. They were attempts to rally popular support by fair means or foul. But the CIA tactics were originally designed to thwart the popular will outright in countries where the people were resisting exploitation by American corporations and were inclined to look favorably on left-wing or even pro-Communist governments.

I still don't know who came up with the notion that it would be a good idea to apply CIA-style tactics on the domestic front. There was some of that going on in the 50's with things like Operation Mockingbird -- but those sorts of attempts to plant favorable opinions in the media seem relatively benign compared to what's happened since. I strongly suspect that the real changeover began in the Nixon administration, with the Watergate burglary as only one minor aspect of the wholesale application of spook methods to politics.

Americans like to pride themselves on having the superior knowledge to flim-flam other people while not being flim-flammed themselves. This makes them absolute babes in the woods when faced with real manipulators. There's nobody so vulnerable to con artists as the man who thinks he's too clever to be conned. A little humility on the part of Americans -- a willingness to accept that they're as susceptible as anyone to having their fears and dreams played on by unscrupulous operators -- would go a long way towards breaking through the seeming omnipotence of Rove and his ilk.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:40 PM
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7. Ya got that right..rove is another large player..
in this takeover or whatever it is..
rove is also unique in that nazi stuff keeps cominaround..cia releasing doumentss now about operation paperclip..prescott bush and his nazi backgroung and thousand if not millions saying ocupant bush is a nazi or fascist or wahtever he is..
he sure is poisoin for my beliefs
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Blower Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:33 AM
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4. What a tangled
web he weaves, that greasy piglet

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