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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:02 AM
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China and the Final War for Resources
China and the Final War for Resources
Bill Ridley
February 9th, 2005


"What's coming will be more devastating to the U.S. economy than any nuclear strike..." - The Asia Times



I. Unrestricted War

Unrestricted War: China’s Master Plan to Destroy America is a treatise for world domination written in 1999 by People’s Liberation Army Colonels Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui. In order for China to become a dominant global power over the United States, the PLA emphasizes “The Final War over Resources”, must be won.

The Colonels state that the aggressor nation “must adjust its own financial strategy, use currency revaluation or devaluation as primary weapons, and combine means such as getting the upper hand in public opinion and changing the rules sufficiently to make financial turbulence and economic crisis appear in the targeted country or area, weakening its overall power, including its military strength. Whether it be the intrusions of hackers, a major explosion at the World Trade Center, or a bombing attack by bin Laden, all of these greatly exceed the frequency bandwidths understood by the American military..."

Can you imagine if U.S. military leaders or politicians made such threatening comments? People would be up in arms and demanding resignations and Congressional inquiries!

However, in another case where truth is stranger than fiction – for the most part the U.S. media and government officials are keeping a lid on this volatile story. As you are about to read, the Chinese have already positioned themselves to inflict major damage to the U.S. economy. For those few brave souls in Washington and the media who are talking, their words are ominous.

Writing in the Los Angeles Times, Gal Luft, executive director of the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security, said: "Without a comprehensive strategy designed to prevent China from becoming an oil consumer on par with the U.S., a superpower collision is in the cards." The New York Times has also weighed in stating that China’s actions threaten “the very stability of the global economy.”
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http://www.321energy.com/editorials/winston/winston020905.html
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:10 AM
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1. china,russia,brazil,iran,venezuela sign buddy deals...

jr sure knows how to mess up a mother earth.."we ain'e seen nothin yet"


"China is using their vast reserves of U.S. dollars in a different way now. They're taking their hundreds of billions of rapidly devaluing Ameribucks and trading them for hard assets
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/11-27b-04.asp

Entire article: After Iraq it is oil rich Venezuela led by Hugo Chavez that has become the center for confrontation between America and the Euro Zone. Chavez is dead against America and Euro Zone needs him to keep the oil balance -- the power symbol in 2005. But this time the equation is a little different. A new regional and super power coalition of India, China, Russia and Brazil is making a huge difference. Russian President is in the zone to pull Brazil in the coalition and influence on Chavez for mutual support.
While the whole world is focused on America and the Euro zone for the super power challenges, both these powers are looking small when you combine the powers of the new coalition Putin is building with India, China, Russia and Brazil. Add to that Venezuelan oil that supplies America a substantial crude oil, and now you have the actual scenario of confrontation.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is leveraging his country's oil resources to build new geopolitical relationships with key regional powers like Russia, China, India and Brazil.

"china russia brazilDec. 25, 2004

China is using their vast reserves of U.S. dollars in a different way now. They're taking their hundreds of billions of rapidly devaluing Ameribucks and trading them for hard assets"
04.asphttp://www.unknownnews.org/04122825China.html



dbeach
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:17 AM
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2. We are really in the shit...
pardon my French.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:32 AM
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3. Leonard Cohen hits it on 2 different albums...
I know that this is a strange statement but WW II was NEVER over..the Nazis regrouped and with spys like prescott bush and the treason of the dulles bros with operation paperclip..have seized this USA...many know the score and aided the foreign /domestic enemy..Now do I need prozac are am I still in the ball park???


"http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/leonard_cohen/everybody_knows.html
Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows that the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That's how it goes
Everybody knows




http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/leonard_cohen/the_future.html

You don't know me from the wind
you never will, you never did
I'm the little jew
who wrote the Bible
I've seen the nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all
but love's the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It's over, it ain't going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil's riding crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder "
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:39 AM
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4. Praise the prozac
and pass the ammunition.

I think you've got it.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:00 AM
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5. I think lots of folks are waking up..
and the criminals are fearful..which keeps delaying their plans..we know they are thilthy rich but they could make more cash by playing nice in this sandbox....
but ya know something is strange when son of a nazi anold and grandson of a nazi bush fraud may both be ex -prsidents someday

it begs the question where will us freedom lovers be.???.I intend to survive this fiasco..at all costs..its scary but RESIST
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:39 AM
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7. Yes

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ctaylor Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:51 AM
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6. Unrestricted War is a PRC fantasy novel
I'm sure they feel good fantisizing about "taking the gloves off" and showing those darn big-nosed barbarians what for...

Problem is, that we have re-restricted their options faster than they can unrestrict them. And they are helping us do it. Every People's Libiration Army Offiser whose kid is going to college in the US or is hoping to go to Space Camp next summer, every Communist Party member whose business partners are American, every Chicom Gov't bureaucrat with American friends or family, is another voice that will say "I don't think we want to do that." Like Guliver and the Liliputians, each rope is small but enough of them can bind.

They are already using some of these "tricks" (like currency manipulation) which may be unwanted are not new in the realm of international politics and are therefore not ruffling too many feathers. I think the real test will come around 2010 when the PRC is expected to achieve the amphibious capability they need to attempt to finish their conquest of China by invading Taiwan. If we have enough of those carrots (ropes, carrrots, I'm mixing metaphors but you know what I mean) combined with a big stick of credible deterrence then hopefully we can prevent true unrestricted war with China from occuring.

Maintaining that detterence, btw, will take both forces and demostrations of intent. I think it is a great opportunity to get more Dem. credibility on nat'l security issues.
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 10:55 AM
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8. Death by a thousand cuts.
We are bled by our own knives.
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fedsron2us Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:07 PM
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10. Kaiser Wilhem II mother was English
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 07:08 PM by fedsron2us
but that did not prevent the outbreak of World War I. History shows that countries with a lot closer cultural, political and economic ties than China and the USA have got involved in bloody conflicts over resources.

edit for spelling
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Wright Patman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 10:46 AM
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15. That sure worked with all the Saudi students
They went home and changed it into a Western-style democracy. < /sarcasm>
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indigobusiness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 04:07 PM
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9. I thought this would generate more interest.
Considering China has us by the short hairs.
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idlisambar Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 09:11 PM
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12. The interesting thing...
...is that there are a lot of folks who would hesitate to give these comments much significance, but readily cite the comments of PNAC'ers as a reference to America's emperial ambitions. Somehow it is impolite (or perhaps racist when it comes to Asia) to suggest that other societies also have there share of hyper-patriots and megalomaniacs in high positions.
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optional Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:50 PM
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11. Neoconservative visions
The unfortunate part of all of this is that this very confrontation is a part of the neocons view of global policy. The problem, then, is how to deal with it without playing into their hand. Perhaps a good starting point is to take away the Chinese power over the American economy by ending our dependence on them to finance our national budget. That would involve putting our own economic house in order, something that's not going to be accomplished with the deficit inducing tax policies of this administration. After that, we might want to look at pursuing an energy policy which gradually disengages us from direct competition with the PRC for the same resources. This would require a serious investment into the use of non-fossil fuel technologies. Finally, we might want to consider pursuing a foreign policy in which there is some ready distinction between us and the PRC -- certainly, we're not going to break up its alliances by posing a threat to its allies or by offering another version of the same thing.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 10:01 PM
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13. One point that the article doesn't seem to grasp
Edited on Sat Feb-12-05 10:02 PM by depakid
is that China has an enormous amount invested in the US- and actions like the ones described would substantially devalue their interests. To what extent? Hard to say.

Another point not sufficiently considered is that the US is China's second largest trading partner (next to the EU). Any action that aggressively attempt to collapse the US economy will also hurt Europe- and will derail China's own economy. That would be pretty much cutting off their nose to spite their face.

Are there scenarios where that might be a rational option? Sure.

And perhaps we will see them sooner that later, thanks to the Republican party and the cowardly sell out Democrats who go along with their suicidal agenda.



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idlisambar Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-13-05 03:02 AM
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14. The difference between the U.S. and Chinese leadership
China's leaders don't have to worry about being reelected so they can focus on the long-term and risk a little short-term pain.
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