"Hunger for Dictatorship," The American Conservative--yes, you read that

[mistertrickster]

right. Here are a few REAL conservatives lamenting the rise of neo-fascism under the neo-cons, and the imperialism it serves:

http://www.amconmag.com/2005_02_14/article.html

"But Rockwell (and Roberts and Raimondo) is correct in drawing attention to a mood among some conservatives that is at least latently fascist. Rockwell describes a populist Right website that originally rallied for the impeachment of Bill Clinton as “hate-filled ... advocating nuclear holocaust and mass bloodshed for more than a year now.” One of the biggest right-wing talk-radio hosts regularly calls for the mass destruction of Arab cities. Letters that come to this magazine from the pro-war Right leave no doubt that their writers would welcome the jailing of dissidents. And of course it’s not just us. When USA Today founder Al Neuharth wrote a column suggesting that American troops be brought home sooner rather than later, he was blown away by letters comparing him to Tokyo Rose and demanding that he be tried as a traitor. That mood, Rockwell notes, dwarfs anything that existed during the Cold War. “It celebrates the shedding of blood, and exhibits a maniacal love of the state. The new ideology of the red-state bourgeoisie seems to actually believe that the US is God marching on earth—not just godlike, but really serving as a proxy for God himself.”

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"It is impossible to overstate my pleasure at being on the same side of the barricades with him (Frist Stern, Columbia Journalism School) today. That side is, of course, that of the antiwar movement; the side of a conservatism (or liberalism) that finds Bush’s policies reckless and absurd and the neoconservatives who inspire and implement them deluded and dangerous. In the past year, I had seen Stern’s letters to the editor in the Times (“Now the word ‘freedom’ has become a newly invoked justification for the occupation of a country that did not attack us, whose people have not greeted our soldiers as liberators. … The world knows that all manner of traditional rights associated with freedom are threatened in our own country. ... The essential element of a democratic society—trust—has been weakened, as secrecy, mendacity and intimidation have become the hallmarks of this administration. ... Now ‘freedom’ is being emptied of meaning and reduced to a slogan. But one doesn’t demean the concept without injuring the substance.”) In the profile of him in the Times, he sounds an alarm of the very phenomenon Roberts, Raimondo, and Rockwell are speaking about openly."

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This is how we win back the red states--common sense and get gov't off our backs.

[nytemare]

1. This magazine endorsed Kerry

Half-heartedly, but it did. Their argument was that Bush was going to be the death of conservatism, and would do far more damage than good to the party. There are many conservatives I know who voted Kerry for that same reason.

[TwentyFive]

2. This is scary - worse than the Nazis

What has happened to give rise to these people?

I think ultimately they are racists/sexists/homophobes who are seeing the ending of their dominance. They want to lash out and kill, kill, kill.

[mistertrickster]

5. Actually, I'm reading the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (William Shirer

) right now, and I wouldn't say that it's as scary as Nazism YET.

I mean, Nazis had roving packs of thugs (the storm troopers) that beat the shit out of people -- or killed them -- at will.

But there are some scary parallels--Hitler truly believed that he was the instrument of divine providence. Sound like anyone you know?

[TwentyFive]

9. I agree - we can't compare neo-cons now to the height of Nazism, but...

...the parallels between neo-conservatism and early Nazism are troubling.

Just look at the list of 'evildoers' they have identified so far:
-Homosexuals
-Muslims
-Artists
-Intellectuals
-Atheists
-Educators
-Liberals
-Foreigners
-Environmentalists
-Scientists
-Yes, even moderate Republicans are seen as enemies

These groups are often viewed as traitors - and you can imagine what they think about communists, socialists or anarchists.

The War & Propaganda Machines (both media and political) are geared up. Patriot Acts are taking away our civil liberties. Religious fervor is stoked...while ignoring the obvious...like why haven't they captured OBL yet.

But the scariest part? The followers. These people won the last 3 elections and control all three branches of govt PLUS the media AND talk radio...yet they are still as angry as powerless outsiders. They are organized and are just getting warmed up.

I just feel it in my bones...there is serious trouble brewing in this country.

(edited for spelling)

[mistertrickster]

11. Agreed, this administration uses hate for power in the same way

as the Nazis did, the complete and utter demonization of anyone who disagrees. No quarter for reasonable discussion of the issues.

Yes, that's there, I agree.

[tom_paine]

7. Their hate was purposefully awakened by Goebbels v2.0

(and by that I mean the entire Right-Wing Pravdaganda Infrstructure and all the rest of their tentacles in the Judiciary, Law Enforcement and God knows what else)

It has a purpose. To deliver One-Party Totalitarian Control to the Masters.

And I submit, even IF the current Imperial Family means for this to be The Kindest, Gentlest Dictatorship ever, they forces they seek to control will in the end control them.

What's worse: Hatred stirs hatred in return, as the objects of the hatred begin to hate back. But only one is right.

In 1943, a Nazi and a Jew might have hated one another, but does anyone doubt the one-sidednes of the matter?

In 2005 on Amerika, it is apporaching the same in a Kinder and Gentler form. Perhaps not so one-sided but the same dichotomy.

(naturally, this leaves out the categories of the disinterested,the overworked and has no time to pay attenion, the uninformed, and the Hypnotized Sheep...all of whom together make up the 70% of people still in the Empire)

My point is that forces like the ones that they unleashed really IS "playing with fire". Whether the Imperial Family wants it or not...eventually.

And they just might be damned OK with it, to be sure.

[LondonAmerican]

3. rockwell's article on 'the reality of red-state fascism'

is brilliant.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/red-state-fascism.html

lew rockwell and a lot of the paleo-liberatrians have been leaning toward the democrats for a while now, especially post-iraq. it's amazing to read the articles there and on http://www.antiwar.com -- most of it is really great stuff!

[Worst Username Ever]

4. Is there a link for that story?

[mistertrickster]

6. Oops, sorry . . . heh

Added to original article on edit and here

http://www.amconmag.com/2005_02_14/article.html

By the way, the quote you ascribe to Washington is actually James Madison I think. Check the Treaty of Algiers.

[teryang]

8. secrecy, mendacity and intimidation

"...secrecy, mendacity and intimidation have become the hallmarks of this administration."

[Martin Eden]

10. Good quote from Stern (the author's mentor):

Now the word ‘freedom’ has become a newly invoked justification for the occupation of a country that did not attack us, whose people have not greeted our soldiers as liberators. … The world knows that all manner of traditional rights associated with freedom are threatened in our own country. ... The essential element of a democratic society—trust—has been weakened, as secrecy, mendacity and intimidation have become the hallmarks of this administration. ... Now ‘freedom’ is being emptied of meaning and reduced to a slogan. But one doesn’t demean the concept without injuring the substance