CNN: What makes the Bush-haters so mad? - First, it was how he got the job

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/09/15/timep.bush.haters.tm/

First, it was how he got the job. Now it's how much he's doing with it

Bill Moyers may have his politics, but his deferential demeanor and almost avuncular television style made him the Mr. Rogers of American politics. So when he leaves his neighborhood to go to a "Take Back America" rally and denounces George W. Bush's "government of, by and for the ruling corporate class," leading a "right-wing wrecking crew" engaged in "a deliberate, intentional destruction of the United States way of governing," you know that something is going on.

That something is the unhinging of the Democratic Party. Democrats are seized with a loathing for President Bush — a contempt and disdain giving way to a hatred that is near pathological — unlike any since they had Richard Nixon to kick around. snip

Whence the anger? It begins of course with the "stolen" election of 2000 and the perception of Bush's illegitimacy. But that is only half the story. An illegitimate President winning a stolen election would be tolerable if he were just a figurehead, a placeholder, the kind of weak, moderate Republican that Democrats (and indeed many Republicans) thought George Bush would be, judging from his undistinguished record and tepid 2000 campaign.

Bush's great crime is that he is the illegitimate President who became consequential — revolutionizing American foreign policy, reshaping economic policy and dominating the political scene ever since his emergence as the post-9/11 war President.

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[benddem]

1. Krauthammer is a moron!

:argh:
He claims Bush has become consequential...my A--- he is wrecking the country

[Kolesar]

12. Krauthammer is a PNAC Neoconservative Death-monger

He is a panelist on one of the many republican shows on PBS. He has the sickening, twisted Bush camp talking points down solid. I think he may have written them.

edit: Krauthammer is still spinning the prowar /postwarstory furiously:

>The current complaint is that Bush is a deceiver, misleading the country into a war, after which there turned out to be no weapons of mass destruction. But it is hard to credit the deception charge when every intelligence agency on the planet thought Iraq had these weapons and, indeed, when the weapons there still remain unaccounted for.

Behold the: "every intelligence agency on the planet" defense. What a tenuous whopping distortion that is.

[pfitz59]

2. Worthless BS article of the year!

Lionizing Shrub! "Tolerable", to whom? And he IS a weak "figurehead"! Bush* has done nothing more than read the cue cards. In no way, shape or form is he "his own man"! Repeating the "war president' lie! :puke:

[pfitz59]

4. Mea culpa

I shoulda known who wrote it! The rat-faced Kapurian, "Rodaaaant!"

[jayfish]

15. I'd Shell Out $59.95, Pay-Per-View, To See...

a live, unscripted, one-hour, interview with that fool. I think that would just about lock up the 04' election for Mr.(Mrs.) Unnamed Democrat.

Jay

[JHB]

3. Round and round the whirlygig goes...

...when it stops spreading lies nobody knows.

I see Chuck got this week's memo from Karl.

[whirlygigspin]

25. it wouldn't be half as bad if the press at least

called the adm. on some of their shit.


Yes sir, yes sir, three bags full.

[liberalhistorian]

5. Oh, so the repukes can hate

Clinton pathologically and beyond any reasonable measure and do everything possible 24/7 for eight years to harass and torment him and bring him down, when he was actually doing a decent job, and that's okay, but if we hate Shrub and we actually have legitimate reasons for our feelings and concerns, that's called "becoming unhinged", and considered unfair and pathological? WTF? EXCUSE ME? Jesus, when will these hypocritical repukes get a clue?

[Woodstock]

6. This part is hilarious

The current complaint is that Bush is a deceiver, misleading the country into a war, after which there turned out to be no weapons of mass destruction. But it is hard to credit the deception charge when every intelligence agency on the planet thought Iraq had these weapons and, indeed, when the weapons there still remain unaccounted for.

**************
Come again? I thought the UN (despite the nations the US managed to coerce into going along with us) wanted to let inspections work? And the reports of intelligence being exaggerated? Who is this guy trying to fool?

[Don_G]

7. Wonder If This Had Anything To Do With Ryan Resigning

I hope this dosen't signal a major change in CNN to "Faux" style programming and propanganda.

[Woodstock]

10. Did this appear in the Time magazine print edition?

That would explain things - he's trying to reach the willing to be led by the nose audience.

[ET Awful]

8. He also conveniently ignores

The fact that the neo-cons were trying to destroy Clinton even before he got to the Whitehouse.

It's amazing how willing they are to ignore the lies, manipulations, deceptions and just general bullshit that they tried to nail Clinton with.

David Brocks book (Blinded by the Right) points to some of this, along with a few other books that point to the concerted effort from day 1 to attack Clinton (and hell there was NO question who won those 2 elections).

[Robin Hood]

9. Remove mouth from conservative butt.

"Bush's great crime is that he is the illegitimate President who became consequential — revolutionizing American foreign policy, reshaping economic policy and dominating the political scene ever since his emergence as the post-9/11 war President."

I don't think that I've ever read such a kiss ass fawning line in my life. You have got to be kidding here.

[UpInArms]

11. could it be that

with the stolen WH in his pocket, * came in, cancelled everything that was "in progress" - reversed years worth of negotiations (ie Kyoto Treaty etc) appointed every scummy piece of worthless convicted garbage from the Iran-Contra scandal, sealed his Poppy's records, tried to put arsenic in the water, destroyed the landscape, allowed his buddy Kenny Boy to destroy the California energy situation, wiped his ass on our Constitution and SMIRKED about a "trifecta" as he was looting the treasury????

Oh, that's right, we just hate him because we're the ones that are stupid. NOT!

[dkamin]

13. How about this one?

On every single prediction so far, the "liberals" have been correct. we said that iraq would be a mess, that going in would be more dangerous than leaving it alone, that their WMDs, if they even existed, did not pose a threat to the US or the region, but that the chaos that would result would pose a threat to both the US and the region.
we predicted that bush's tax cuts would not stimulate the economy and would lead to massive deficits which, in time, would have a sapping effect on our economy (i don't care what school you teach at, interest payments on the national debt do NOT help the economy).

yes, i'm mad as hell at bush and his cronies, but this is not really a matter of politics. my ideas of the way america should be are not at issue here. what's at issue is the very viability of america as a shining beacon. our good standing in the world, our economy, our very way of life are being destroyed. we're going to be argentina very soon, unless some drastic changes are made.

by the way, am i the only one who thinks that if a democrat wins in 2004, that he/she should launch immediate and multiple criminal investigations into all of the bush activities, as well as activities coordinated with certain allegedly free enterprises, including and specifically targeting Fox? i think anti-trust law might be useful here, as well as the whole range of criminal law, including corporate criminal law, racketeering, bribery, extortion, and perhaps treason.

[Kolesar]

14. Welcome to the Democratic Underground

[jayfish]

20. I'm Sure ShrubCO Already Has It's...

pardon list securely in hand. Just because the party’s over doesn't mean the fleecing won’t continue.

Jay

[RainDog]

16. puppet

I think we should start calling him "Howdy Krauty" cause he's nothing but another shill for Rove/Bush/Cheney/Wolfman's morally, economically, militarily, foreign policy bankruptcy.

he can try to spin it all he wants, but the American people are finally getting wise to these assholes.

Cheney lied on tv yesterday like he thinks the American people are stoopid. Obviously he does think Americans are stupid and he insults this country with his lies, as does Howdy Krauty.

[rocktivity]

17. The "fever" is all yours, Krauthammer

(When) Bill Moyers...the Mr. Rogers of American politics...denounces George W. Bush's "government of, by and for the ruling corporate class,"...you know that something is going on.
What's going on is that rightwing media joyride is over. What's going on is that you HAD to write this article is because you can't dismiss us as an annoying fringe group anymore.

Democrats are seized with a loathing for President Bush...unlike any since they had Richard Nixon to kick around.
We kicked him OUT, not "around"--and he derserved it! Of course, back then, we had a press that told told the whole story truthfully no matter who it hurt.

Bush's manner is not particularly aggressive. He has been involved in no great scandals, Watergate or otherwise...
BWAH HAH HA HA HA! Knock it off, you're killing me!!!!

An illegitimate President winning a stolen election would be tolerable if he were...(a)...weak, moderate Republican ...judging from his undistinguished record and tepid 2000 campaign.
George didn't win the 2000 election because the last time a Bush ran as a moderate, he made a hard right turn. And maybe the reason WHY his campaign was tepid was because he KNEW he was going to win no matter what!

The current complaint is that Bush is a deceiver, misleading the country into a war, after which there turned out to be no weapons of mass destruction. But...every intelligence agency on the planet thought Iraq had these weapons...
When those agencies changed their minds about what they "thought," Bush barged into Iraq before the inspections were done because he knew nothing would be found. But you're right in one respect--Bush didn't deceive and mislead. He conspired and lied.

...Political fevers...are a dangerous thing, however. The Democrats last came down with one in 1972--and lost 49 states.
You're the one who's delirious if you think your article has any kind of basis in reality, Dr. Krauthammer. And the Democrats have gone on to win a couple of (legtimate) elections since 1972!

rocknation

[Kolesar]

22. Hey, that's good. You ought to email that to CNN & other papers it was in

n/t

[rocktivity]

18. UTUSN's right--there's a new "wingnut talking point" in town!

Posted by UTUSN at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=339999 :
The wingnuts are having a revival of one of their most tried-&-tired talking points: Attacking Dem patriotism.

Laura INGRAHAM('s)...new book is about how "the elites"--meaning Dems--give aid and comfort to the enemy by attacking Shrub...G. Gordon LIDDY...will expound (on MSNBC's Hardball)...on the theme of how Dems are giving aid and comfort to the enemy by criticizing Shrub...Liz TROTTA...(claims) that LBJ was the first one to fall prey to the DEMOCRATS criticizing presidents...

And now we have CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER insisting that though Bush is indeed illegtimate, Democrats have become "unhinged" by his "revolutionizing American foreign policy, reshaping economic policy and dominating the political scene"? What a maroon!


rocknation

[dkamin]

19. patriotism

does anyone see a disconnect between the conservative argument that liberals are traitors/unpatriotic and the conservative argument that liberals hate America?

because you're ann coulter, and you're saying that somewhere between 45% and 55% of the population of the United States over the last 50 years was treasonous, therefore implying that they're worthy of being executed, or at least locked up and/or stripped of their citizenship. so in essence, you hate about half of all americans over the last 50 years.

but wait, you're ann coulter. so your readers are facile nincompoops with the inability to make or apprehend a logical argument ("fair... and... balanced..."). that doesn't make you any less of a raving psychotic, but it does mean you get to sell millions of books without having your credibility questioned.

[RainDog]

21. patriotism...Gordon Liddy? LOL.

that criminal should be in jail, not on TV.

That just shows you how unpatriotic those scumbags are...they have to resort of murderers and criminals to make their case?

[TEXASYANKEE]

27. Hypocracy

"Laura INGRAHAM('s)...new book is about how "the elites"--meaning Dems--give aid and comfort to the enemy by attacking Shrub..."

The hypocracy in this statement, why one could almost chew on it. The woman who built her career on attacking the last legally elected President has now written a book about how attacking Shrub is giving aid to the enemy?? I can't stop laughing!

[Cocoa]

23. it's official, we have the whores' theme this election

they will furrow their brows and ask in a tone that makes them sound absolutely puzzled, "Why do they hate Bush so much?"

I've already seen Tweety do it, asking it as if he was worried about our sanity.

[eauclaireliberal]

24. Does this guy have rocks between his ears?

>The puzzle is where this depth of feeling comes from. Bush's manner is not particularly aggressive.<



No, the puzzle is what Charles Krauthammer is SMOKING.


>That will, like it or not, has remade American foreign policy.<

Apparently Krauthammer has never heard of HR 5005-which makes Too Stupid to Flip Burgers, Jr.'s "foreign policy" and domestic policy one in the same!


>The President's unilateral assertion of U.S. power has redefined America's role in the world.<


(INSERT "The March of the Imperial Stormtroopers" theme music)


>The pretender had not just seized the throne. He was acting like a king. Nay, an emperor.<



Of course, I could go on and on about this, but I digress. I need to get back to my studies if I am to survive this faith-based "economy."

[QC]

26. If Bush is a victim of irrational hatred,

and I don't buy that for a moment, but if he is, he is reaping the harvest of the atmosphere that the Republicans themselves created in their decade-long campaign to destroy Clinton.

They made the new rules, so they can't complain about them.

[KG]

28. our hatred is totally rational, dammit!!!!

:grr:

[QC]

29. "and I don't buy that for a moment"